Dr. Jeffrey Meldrum - America's "Bigfoot Professor" - Page 27

Vortigern99 · 22nd June 2012, 11:56 AM

OS, your logic centers appear to be inoperable. You really need to grow up and learn about logic and science and, like, the real world. One cannot write "A Sasquatch's walk is very close to human" and expect to be taken seriously.

Whereas human kinesiology is a studied and quantified subject, postulating the locomotion of an unknown animal, for which not a molecule of evidence exists, is either knowingly fraudulent or extremely stupid. Which one are you? Because I can no longer decide.

Resume · 22nd June 2012, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by OntarioSquatch

That's like as realistic as saying there is no human gait.

No, you are incorrect. We have numerous examples of human locomation because we have numerous examples of humans. We have zero (0) examples of Bigfoot locomotion because . . ?

I know you can get this one.

OntarioSquatch · 22nd June 2012, 12:04 PM

We have one sample available now. And that is the PGF

Drewbot · 22nd June 2012, 12:08 PM

The gait in the pgf is a human gait. Manifestly so.

GT/CS · 22nd June 2012, 12:10 PM

Ontario,

The king of bigfoot scientists, Jeff Meldrum, said Patty walks like a human could walk.

Why do you cling to ideas that have been proven to you to be incorrect, and why do you so fervently believe in bigfoot?

LTC8K6 · 22nd June 2012, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by OntarioSquatch

A Sasquatch's walk is very close to human, but yet not human. Many supporters try to prove it is completely different from human. Which is not true. Skeptics say it is completely human. Which is also not true.

Dr. Hill was not a skeptic and he was looking at the original film at the time it was released.

There doesn't seem to be much discussion of an inhuman gait when the film was released.

I think that idea crops up much later.

In the 67 radio interview, done very shortly after filming Patty, Patty walked like a man and had a man's proportions, except for the breasts.

There's no mention of any odd gait or odd walk.

They also talk about Patty's weight and track depth, but make no mention of any "stomp test".

Drewbot · 22nd June 2012, 12:20 PM

Bob Gimlin says "It ran just like you and me"

LTC8K6 · 22nd June 2012, 12:20 PM

Not only does Roger's horse rear in fright and dump him off, trapping him and injuring his foot, in the middle of that, Roger jumps up and gets his camera out of the saddle bag of the bucking horse!

He's just amazing!

Quote:

"I yelled 'Bob Lookit' and there about 80 or 90 feet in front of us this giant humanoid creature stood up. My horse reared and fell, completely flattening a stirrup with my foot caught in it.

"My foot hurt but I couldn't think about it because I was jumping up and grabbing the reins to try to control the horse. I saw my camera in the saddle bag and grabbed it out, but I finally couldn't control the horse anymore and had to let him go."

It's just too bad Bob wasn't using the camera then!

demonunderyourbed · 22nd June 2012, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by LTC8K6

Not only does Roger's horse rear in fright and dump him off, trapping him and injuring his foot, in the middle of that, Roger jumps up and gets his camera out of the saddle bag of the bucking horse!

He's just amazing!

It's just too bad Bob wasn't using the camera then!

and lo and behold he had just one min of film left..and got the perfect centered look back for the camera...yeah right.

Resume · 22nd June 2012, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by OntarioSquatch

We have one sample available now. And that is the PGF

That's a human in a suit.

I am Bigfoot · 22nd June 2012, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by OntarioSquatch

We have one sample available now. And that is the PGF

What about the PGF is compelling?
It was made by shady guys
Under shady circumstances
The story of the filming changes
The original film is secreted away somewhere
0 evidence for bigfoot's existence
This is a really really ****** film (quality wise) and is considered the best that footers have got. When modern film and pictures are taken of immensely low quality everyone knows it's a hoax. But not this one. Not this blurry, shaky, tiny, crap film though. Why?

You should really be embarrassed that you find it convincing.

You REALLY need to work on your standard of evidence. And your understanding of logic.

Gilbert Syndrome · 23rd June 2012, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by OntarioSquatch

We have one sample available now. And that is the PGF

Please tell me you're kidding/drunk/really into Tom Cruise?

parnassus · 23rd June 2012, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by Drewbot

Bob Gimlin says "It ran just like you and me"

Stanford University gait doctors said it was a "slam dunk" that a human could do the gait, and they wrote the textbook.
Jessica Rose, Ph.D.

Quote:

Rose is part of the field's second generation, and editor of the second and third editions of Human Walking. She's seen tremendous changes in the science of walking. Bioengineering and computer science have taken a much greater role, giving physicians state-of-the-art diagnostic tools. For example, the computer model that reveals hamstring performance was developed by Stanford bioengineer Scott Delp, PhD, less than five years ago, but is now an invaluable part of analysis done at the gait lab. The lab's mission is to diagnose the underlying causes of walking problems. With this knowledge, physicians can prescribe correct treatment for their patients and avoid unnecessary surgeries. Walking is a complex activity involving bones, muscles, nerves and brain, so it's not easy to dissect the cause of a problem, Rose said. The gait lab uses a sophisticated suite of tools, including 3-D motion-capture, a technology later co-opted by Hollywood to create special effects such as the animation of Gollum in the Lord of the Rings films. Reflective markers are fastened to a patient's legs and joints to record the patient's precise movements, which are viewed in a computer animation. The lab also measures muscle activity, balance, joint movement, forces acting on the joints and energy expended during walking. All this data comes together to create a complete picture of the patient's gait, Rose said.

rockinkt · 25th June 2012, 03:03 AM

I would be embarrassed to tell anybody I took a course from this carnival barker.
How low will this noxious polluter of minds go?

http://www.thesasquatchhunters.com/store/

parnassus · 25th June 2012, 07:28 AM

Yes, selling books is one thing, but selling casts is really strange. It is kind of carnival -like.

tube · 25th June 2012, 08:00 AM

Originally Posted by parnassus

Yes, selling books is one thing, but selling casts is really strange. It is kind of carnival -like.

In my opinion Meldrum's sale of cast copies is analogous to the religious veneration (and sale) of relics. An excellent book on this subject is Joe Nickell's Relics of the Christ:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/081...SIN=0813124255

First off, Meldrum's office is essentially a reliquary; a huge collection of artifacts which have touched Our Lady of the Woods.

Skeptics have pointed out for many years that there are enough pieces of the "true cross" to make many crosses, so by logic alone many are fakes. But apologists came up with a useful rationalization, namely that a ~copy~ that had touched a "true" artifact became holy. Similarly, Bigfooters are fond of referring to casts as "first generation" and "second generation."

Various "researchers" have claimed that they can see minute detail within the Shroud of Turin such as impressions of Roman coins on the figure's eyes. Similarly, levels of detail are claimed for Bigfoot casts, such as "dermal ridges."

With religious relics, provenance and chain of custody are MAJOR problems which are ignored by the Church. Similarly, Bigfoot casts have the same problem, as I discovered for myself with CA-19.

http://orgoneresearch.com/2009/10/19...original-cast/

Bigfootery is a quasi-religion, and the sale of relics by Meldrum demonstrates this.

Drewbot · 25th June 2012, 09:32 AM

Also, there is a comfort to the believer when owning a cast of such a divine source as Dr. Meldrum, as there was comfort in KNOWING you were saved, if you bought a sliver of The Cross^TM

parnassus · 25th June 2012, 10:11 AM

I didn't think it was odd that Ray Wallace sold them as souvenirs. But Meldrum is an academic.
cough, cough.

AlaskaBushPilot · 25th June 2012, 10:45 AM

quackademic

OntarioSquatch · 25th June 2012, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by GT/CS

Ontario,

The king of bigfoot scientists, Jeff Meldrum, said Patty walks like a human could walk.

Why do you cling to ideas that have been proven to you to be incorrect, and why do you so fervently believe in bigfoot?

I believe he's correct. And it was a leak from Dr. Ketchum that helped me understand they are in fact a type of human. But I doubt many of you would take Dr. Ketchum's word for it would you.

Vortigern99 · 25th June 2012, 11:33 AM

But earlier you were saying Patty didn't walk like a human, and that humans could not mimic "her" walk.

So which is it?

The Shrike · 25th June 2012, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by AlaskaBushPilot

quackademic

Harry, let's get one of your trademark symbols on this one!

OntarioSquatch · 25th June 2012, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by Vortigern99

But earlier you were saying Patty didn't walk like a human, and that humans could not mimic "her" walk.

So which is it?

That's correct. I don't believe we can mimic every aspect of her walk.

Correa Neto · 25th June 2012, 12:12 PM

Well, the word "believe" sums it all...
Against belief, even the gods...

Drewbot · 25th June 2012, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by OntarioSquatch

That's correct. I don't believe we can mimic every aspect of her walk.

You don't get it do you? Meldrum says no human could replicate the walk(except in the video of him saying he was surprised at how easily the actor mimicked the walk), yet you are saying they are human. Do you see the confusion that arises from this?

Jodie · 25th June 2012, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by OntarioSquatch

I believe he's correct. And it was a leak from Dr. Ketchum that helped me understand they are in fact a type of human. But I doubt many of you would take Dr. Ketchum's word for it would you.

OS- Most of those leaks are through Robert Lindsay. He also has listed me more than once as a source for nuclear DNA information.

How I got on the man's radar is beyond me but I have, at most, a cursory understanding of the subject and have never spoken to him.

That should give you an idea of how reliable the "leaks" are.

OntarioSquatch · 25th June 2012, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by Drewbot

You don't get it do you? Meldrum says no human could replicate the walk(except in the video of him saying he was surprised at how easily the actor mimicked the walk), yet you are saying they are human. Do you see the confusion that arises from this?

There used to be many types of humans. If one of them were to survive up until now (without crossbreeding) then they would probably walk a bit differently from us.

dafydd · 25th June 2012, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by OntarioSquatch

There used to be many types of humans. If one of them were to survive up until now (without crossbreeding) then they would probably walk a bit differently from us.

So bigfoot is a lost human species now? That is taking clutching at straws a bit too far.

OntarioSquatch · 25th June 2012, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by dafydd

So bigfoot is a lost human species now? That is taking clutching at straws a bit too far.

It's the way it seems to be going right now. It would explain why so many DNA samples were dismissed until we actually took a closer look. Up until several years ago we've been looking specifically for non-human DNA that's unknown. I think it was a sample from either David Paulides or Adrian Erickson that triggered Dr. Ketchum's study.

mikeyx · 25th June 2012, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by OntarioSquatch

It's the way it seems to be going right now. It would explain why so many DNA samples were dismissed until we actually took a closer look. Up until several years ago we've been looking specifically for non-human DNA that's unknown. I think it was a sample from either David Paulides or Adrian Erickson that triggered Dr. Ketchum's study.

Ketchum is essentially a joke at this point.

dafydd · 25th June 2012, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by OntarioSquatch

It's the way it seems to be going right now. It would explain why so many DNA samples were dismissed until we actually took a closer look. Up until several years ago we've been looking specifically for non-human DNA that's unknown. I think it was a sample from either David Paulides or Adrian Erickson that triggered Dr. Ketchum's study.

And still no Bigfoots. Why do you need to believe that they exist?

AlaskaBushPilot · 25th June 2012, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by OntarioSquatch

There used to be many types of humans. If one of them were to survive up until now (without crossbreeding)

Which one? Neanderthal? Cro-Magnon? Or are you just sneaking in an undiscovered one?

I'm still waiting on your most credible bigfoot sighting. We flit from one bad reason for believing to another without ever checking off any boxes on the bigfoot mythology list.

Jodie · 25th June 2012, 03:35 PM

But OS, look where the information came from. Stubstad was an asphalt engineer who was interested in statistics. Until a paper is released you don't even know if one really exists, or that a study was even done. If what was described via the rumor mill is true then let me assure you Dr. Ketchum would not have the ability to do it, someone else did.

OntarioSquatch · 25th June 2012, 08:27 PM

Richard Stubstad wasn't really the leak I was referring to, but I guess he adds more weight to it. The leak I meant was Dr. Ketchums description for her possible future documentary. And I was able to find out she registered the domain feralhumanproject.info some time ago. There's no doubt in my mind they are a type of human.

LTC8K6 · 25th June 2012, 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by OntarioSquatch

Richard Stubstad wasn't really the leak I was referring to, but I guess he adds more weight to it. The leak I meant was Dr. Ketchums description for her possible future documentary. And I was able to find out she registered the domain feralhumanproject.info some time ago. There's no doubt in my mind they are a type of human.

Then by any standard at all, they have killed humans...

"Feral" humans would have all the rights of you and me...

Correa Neto · 26th June 2012, 04:35 AM

Hey, I think Patty is human...

Resume · 26th June 2012, 04:38 AM

Originally Posted by OntarioSquatch

Richard Stubstad wasn't really the leak I was referring to, but I guess he adds more weight to it. The leak I meant was Dr. Ketchums description for her possible future documentary. And I was able to find out she registered the domain feralhumanproject.info some time ago. There's no doubt in my mind they are a type of human.

That's called a trial balloon.

Documentary, that's rich.

dafydd · 26th June 2012, 07:18 AM

Originally Posted by OntarioSquatch

Richard Stubstad wasn't really the leak I was referring to, but I guess he adds more weight to it. The leak I meant was Dr. Ketchums description for her possible future documentary. And I was able to find out she registered the domain feralhumanproject.info some time ago. There's no doubt in my mind they are a type of human.

You would actually have to find one first.

LTC8K6 · 26th June 2012, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by Correa Neto

Hey, I think Patty is human...

That makes sense. They shot a guy (or two) in a suit, and sent a steak from the poor fool to be DNA tested...

Correa Neto · 26th June 2012, 08:57 AM

Of course!

The Bluff Creek Bigfoot Massacre!

Those poor guys hired by Patterson to fool Gimlim!

How could I be so blind!

22nd June 2012, 11:56 AM	#1041
Vortigern99 Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 5,021	OS, your logic centers appear to be inoperable. You really need to grow up and learn about logic and science and, like, the real world. One cannot write "A Sasquatch's walk is very close to human" and expect to be taken seriously. Whereas human kinesiology is a studied and quantified subject, postulating the locomotion of an unknown animal, for which not a molecule of evidence exists, is either knowingly fraudulent or extremely stupid. Which one are you? Because I can no longer decide.
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22nd June 2012, 12:01 PM	#1042
Resume Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 8,038	Originally Posted by OntarioSquatch That's like as realistic as saying there is no human gait. No, you are incorrect. We have numerous examples of human locomation because we have numerous examples of humans. We have zero (0) examples of Bigfoot locomotion because . . ? I know you can get this one.
Resume Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 8,038

22nd June 2012, 12:08 PM	#1044
Drewbot Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,846	The gait in the pgf is a human gait. Manifestly so.
Drewbot Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,846	__________________ "I dont call that evolution, I call that the survival of the fittest." - Bulletmaker "I thought skeptics would usually point towards a hoax rather than a group being duped." - makaya325 Kit is not a skeptic. He is a former Bigfoot believer that changed his position to that of non believer.- Crowlogic

22nd June 2012, 12:10 PM	#1045
GT/CS Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,592	Ontario, The king of bigfoot scientists, Jeff Meldrum, said Patty walks like a human could walk. Why do you cling to ideas that have been proven to you to be incorrect, and why do you so fervently believe in bigfoot?
GT/CS Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,592	__________________ SweatyYeti or Bill Munns would be my vote for looking at this - BFSleuth @ BFF I've got plenty of common sense! I just choose to ignore it. - Calvin; October 15, 1986

22nd June 2012, 12:15 PM	#1046
LTC8K6 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Directly under a deadly chemtrail Posts: 12,694	Originally Posted by OntarioSquatch A Sasquatch's walk is very close to human, but yet not human. Many supporters try to prove it is completely different from human. Which is not true. Skeptics say it is completely human. Which is also not true. Dr. Hill was not a skeptic and he was looking at the original film at the time it was released. There doesn't seem to be much discussion of an inhuman gait when the film was released. I think that idea crops up much later. In the 67 radio interview, done very shortly after filming Patty, Patty walked like a man and had a man's proportions, except for the breasts. There's no mention of any odd gait or odd walk. They also talk about Patty's weight and track depth, but make no mention of any "stomp test".
	__________________ What a fool believes, no wise man has the power to reason away. What seems to be, is always better than nothing. 2 prints, same midtarsal crock..., I mean break?

22nd June 2012, 12:04 PM	#1043
OntarioSquatch Critical Thinker Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 486	We have one sample available now. And that is the PGF

22nd June 2012, 12:20 PM	#1047
Drewbot Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,846	Bob Gimlin says "It ran just like you and me"
Drewbot Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,846	__________________ "I dont call that evolution, I call that the survival of the fittest." - Bulletmaker "I thought skeptics would usually point towards a hoax rather than a group being duped." - makaya325 Kit is not a skeptic. He is a former Bigfoot believer that changed his position to that of non believer.- Crowlogic

22nd June 2012, 12:20 PM	#1048
LTC8K6 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Directly under a deadly chemtrail Posts: 12,694	Not only does Roger's horse rear in fright and dump him off, trapping him and injuring his foot, in the middle of that, Roger jumps up and gets his camera out of the saddle bag of the bucking horse! He's just amazing! Quote: "I yelled 'Bob Lookit' and there about 80 or 90 feet in front of us this giant humanoid creature stood up. My horse reared and fell, completely flattening a stirrup with my foot caught in it. "My foot hurt but I couldn't think about it because I was jumping up and grabbing the reins to try to control the horse. I saw my camera in the saddle bag and grabbed it out, but I finally couldn't control the horse anymore and had to let him go." It's just too bad Bob wasn't using the camera then!
	__________________ What a fool believes, no wise man has the power to reason away. What seems to be, is always better than nothing. 2 prints, same midtarsal crock..., I mean break?

22nd June 2012, 12:29 PM	#1049
demonunderyourbed Thinker Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 247	Originally Posted by LTC8K6 Not only does Roger's horse rear in fright and dump him off, trapping him and injuring his foot, in the middle of that, Roger jumps up and gets his camera out of the saddle bag of the bucking horse! He's just amazing! It's just too bad Bob wasn't using the camera then! and lo and behold he had just one min of film left..and got the perfect centered look back for the camera...yeah right.
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22nd June 2012, 12:43 PM	#1050
Resume Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 8,038	Originally Posted by OntarioSquatch We have one sample available now. And that is the PGF That's a human in a suit.
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22nd June 2012, 12:56 PM	#1051
I am Bigfoot Critical Thinker Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 307	Originally Posted by OntarioSquatch We have one sample available now. And that is the PGF What about the PGF is compelling? It was made by shady guys Under shady circumstances The story of the filming changes The original film is secreted away somewhere 0 evidence for bigfoot's existence This is a really really ****** film (quality wise) and is considered the best that footers have got. When modern film and pictures are taken of immensely low quality everyone knows it's a hoax. But not this one. Not this blurry, shaky, tiny, crap film though. Why? You should really be embarrassed that you find it convincing. You REALLY need to work on your standard of evidence. And your understanding of logic.

23rd June 2012, 10:56 AM	#1052
Gilbert Syndrome Critical Thinker Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Aigburth, Liverpool, UK Posts: 351	Originally Posted by OntarioSquatch We have one sample available now. And that is the PGF Please tell me you're kidding/drunk/really into Tom Cruise?
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23rd June 2012, 11:01 AM	#1053
parnassus Master Poster Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: California Posts: 2,565	Originally Posted by Drewbot Bob Gimlin says "It ran just like you and me" Stanford University gait doctors said it was a "slam dunk" that a human could do the gait, and they wrote the textbook. Jessica Rose, Ph.D. Quote: Rose is part of the field's second generation, and editor of the second and third editions of Human Walking. She's seen tremendous changes in the science of walking. Bioengineering and computer science have taken a much greater role, giving physicians state-of-the-art diagnostic tools. For example, the computer model that reveals hamstring performance was developed by Stanford bioengineer Scott Delp, PhD, less than five years ago, but is now an invaluable part of analysis done at the gait lab. The lab's mission is to diagnose the underlying causes of walking problems. With this knowledge, physicians can prescribe correct treatment for their patients and avoid unnecessary surgeries. Walking is a complex activity involving bones, muscles, nerves and brain, so it's not easy to dissect the cause of a problem, Rose said. The gait lab uses a sophisticated suite of tools, including 3-D motion-capture, a technology later co-opted by Hollywood to create special effects such as the animation of Gollum in the Lord of the Rings films. Reflective markers are fastened to a patient's legs and joints to record the patient's precise movements, which are viewed in a computer animation. The lab also measures muscle activity, balance, joint movement, forces acting on the joints and energy expended during walking. All this data comes together to create a complete picture of the patient's gait, Rose said.
	__________________ Never let the data encumber the plausibility. ---paraphrased from David Paulides "It will be politically charged though, I am sure as anytime something like this happens, it will get interesting".---TheMelba

25th June 2012, 03:03 AM	#1054
rockinkt Muse Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 638	I would be embarrassed to tell anybody I took a course from this carnival barker. How low will this noxious polluter of minds go? http://www.thesasquatchhunters.com/store/
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25th June 2012, 07:28 AM	#1055
parnassus Master Poster Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: California Posts: 2,565	Yes, selling books is one thing, but selling casts is really strange. It is kind of carnival -like.
	__________________ Never let the data encumber the plausibility. ---paraphrased from David Paulides "It will be politically charged though, I am sure as anytime something like this happens, it will get interesting".---TheMelba

25th June 2012, 08:00 AM	#1056
tube Muse Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 898	Originally Posted by parnassus Yes, selling books is one thing, but selling casts is really strange. It is kind of carnival -like. In my opinion Meldrum's sale of cast copies is analogous to the religious veneration (and sale) of relics. An excellent book on this subject is Joe Nickell's Relics of the Christ: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/081...SIN=0813124255 First off, Meldrum's office is essentially a reliquary; a huge collection of artifacts which have touched Our Lady of the Woods. Skeptics have pointed out for many years that there are enough pieces of the "true cross" to make many crosses, so by logic alone many are fakes. But apologists came up with a useful rationalization, namely that a ~copy~ that had touched a "true" artifact became holy. Similarly, Bigfooters are fond of referring to casts as "first generation" and "second generation." Various "researchers" have claimed that they can see minute detail within the Shroud of Turin such as impressions of Roman coins on the figure's eyes. Similarly, levels of detail are claimed for Bigfoot casts, such as "dermal ridges." With religious relics, provenance and chain of custody are MAJOR problems which are ignored by the Church. Similarly, Bigfoot casts have the same problem, as I discovered for myself with CA-19. http://orgoneresearch.com/2009/10/19...original-cast/ Bigfootery is a quasi-religion, and the sale of relics by Meldrum demonstrates this.
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25th June 2012, 09:32 AM	#1057
Drewbot Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,846	Also, there is a comfort to the believer when owning a cast of such a divine source as Dr. Meldrum, as there was comfort in KNOWING you were saved, if you bought a sliver of The Cross^TM
Drewbot Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,846	__________________ "I dont call that evolution, I call that the survival of the fittest." - Bulletmaker "I thought skeptics would usually point towards a hoax rather than a group being duped." - makaya325 Kit is not a skeptic. He is a former Bigfoot believer that changed his position to that of non believer.- Crowlogic

25th June 2012, 10:11 AM	#1058
parnassus Master Poster Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: California Posts: 2,565	I didn't think it was odd that Ray Wallace sold them as souvenirs. But Meldrum is an academic. cough, cough.
	__________________ Never let the data encumber the plausibility. ---paraphrased from David Paulides "It will be politically charged though, I am sure as anytime something like this happens, it will get interesting".---TheMelba

25th June 2012, 10:45 AM	#1059
AlaskaBushPilot Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,609	quackademic

25th June 2012, 11:29 AM	#1060
OntarioSquatch Critical Thinker Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 486	Originally Posted by GT/CS Ontario, The king of bigfoot scientists, Jeff Meldrum, said Patty walks like a human could walk. Why do you cling to ideas that have been proven to you to be incorrect, and why do you so fervently believe in bigfoot? I believe he's correct. And it was a leak from Dr. Ketchum that helped me understand they are in fact a type of human. But I doubt many of you would take Dr. Ketchum's word for it would you.

25th June 2012, 11:33 AM	#1061
Vortigern99 Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 5,021	But earlier you were saying Patty didn't walk like a human, and that humans could not mimic "her" walk. So which is it?
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25th June 2012, 11:44 AM	#1062
The Shrike Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: USA Posts: 1,818	Originally Posted by AlaskaBushPilot quackademic Harry, let's get one of your trademark symbols on this one!

25th June 2012, 11:59 AM	#1063
OntarioSquatch Critical Thinker Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 486	Originally Posted by Vortigern99 But earlier you were saying Patty didn't walk like a human, and that humans could not mimic "her" walk. So which is it? That's correct. I don't believe we can mimic every aspect of her walk.

25th June 2012, 12:12 PM	#1064
Correa Neto Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Hunting rocks somewhere in Brazil Posts: 7,185	Well, the word "believe" sums it all... Against belief, even the gods...
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25th June 2012, 01:01 PM	#1065
Drewbot Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,846	Originally Posted by OntarioSquatch That's correct. I don't believe we can mimic every aspect of her walk. You don't get it do you? Meldrum says no human could replicate the walk(except in the video of him saying he was surprised at how easily the actor mimicked the walk), yet you are saying they are human. Do you see the confusion that arises from this?
Drewbot Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,846	__________________ "I dont call that evolution, I call that the survival of the fittest." - Bulletmaker "I thought skeptics would usually point towards a hoax rather than a group being duped." - makaya325 Kit is not a skeptic. He is a former Bigfoot believer that changed his position to that of non believer.- Crowlogic

25th June 2012, 01:54 PM	#1066
Jodie Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 1,909	Originally Posted by OntarioSquatch I believe he's correct. And it was a leak from Dr. Ketchum that helped me understand they are in fact a type of human. But I doubt many of you would take Dr. Ketchum's word for it would you. OS- Most of those leaks are through Robert Lindsay. He also has listed me more than once as a source for nuclear DNA information. How I got on the man's radar is beyond me but I have, at most, a cursory understanding of the subject and have never spoken to him. That should give you an idea of how reliable the "leaks" are.
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25th June 2012, 03:01 PM	#1067
OntarioSquatch Critical Thinker Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 486	Originally Posted by Drewbot You don't get it do you? Meldrum says no human could replicate the walk(except in the video of him saying he was surprised at how easily the actor mimicked the walk), yet you are saying they are human. Do you see the confusion that arises from this? There used to be many types of humans. If one of them were to survive up until now (without crossbreeding) then they would probably walk a bit differently from us.

25th June 2012, 03:18 PM	#1068
dafydd Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Belgium (Flatland) Posts: 31,479	Originally Posted by OntarioSquatch There used to be many types of humans. If one of them were to survive up until now (without crossbreeding) then they would probably walk a bit differently from us. So bigfoot is a lost human species now? That is taking clutching at straws a bit too far.
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25th June 2012, 03:24 PM	#1069
OntarioSquatch Critical Thinker Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 486	Originally Posted by dafydd So bigfoot is a lost human species now? That is taking clutching at straws a bit too far. It's the way it seems to be going right now. It would explain why so many DNA samples were dismissed until we actually took a closer look. Up until several years ago we've been looking specifically for non-human DNA that's unknown. I think it was a sample from either David Paulides or Adrian Erickson that triggered Dr. Ketchum's study.

25th June 2012, 03:26 PM	#1070
mikeyx Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,570	Originally Posted by OntarioSquatch It's the way it seems to be going right now. It would explain why so many DNA samples were dismissed until we actually took a closer look. Up until several years ago we've been looking specifically for non-human DNA that's unknown. I think it was a sample from either David Paulides or Adrian Erickson that triggered Dr. Ketchum's study. Ketchum is essentially a joke at this point.
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25th June 2012, 03:27 PM	#1071
dafydd Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Belgium (Flatland) Posts: 31,479	Originally Posted by OntarioSquatch It's the way it seems to be going right now. It would explain why so many DNA samples were dismissed until we actually took a closer look. Up until several years ago we've been looking specifically for non-human DNA that's unknown. I think it was a sample from either David Paulides or Adrian Erickson that triggered Dr. Ketchum's study. And still no Bigfoots. Why do you need to believe that they exist?
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25th June 2012, 03:27 PM	#1072
AlaskaBushPilot Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,609	Originally Posted by OntarioSquatch There used to be many types of humans. If one of them were to survive up until now (without crossbreeding) Which one? Neanderthal? Cro-Magnon? Or are you just sneaking in an undiscovered one? I'm still waiting on your most credible bigfoot sighting. We flit from one bad reason for believing to another without ever checking off any boxes on the bigfoot mythology list.

25th June 2012, 03:35 PM	#1073
Jodie Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 1,909	But OS, look where the information came from. Stubstad was an asphalt engineer who was interested in statistics. Until a paper is released you don't even know if one really exists, or that a study was even done. If what was described via the rumor mill is true then let me assure you Dr. Ketchum would not have the ability to do it, someone else did.
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25th June 2012, 08:27 PM	#1074
OntarioSquatch Critical Thinker Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 486	Richard Stubstad wasn't really the leak I was referring to, but I guess he adds more weight to it. The leak I meant was Dr. Ketchums description for her possible future documentary. And I was able to find out she registered the domain feralhumanproject.info some time ago. There's no doubt in my mind they are a type of human.

25th June 2012, 08:57 PM	#1075
LTC8K6 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Directly under a deadly chemtrail Posts: 12,694	Originally Posted by OntarioSquatch Richard Stubstad wasn't really the leak I was referring to, but I guess he adds more weight to it. The leak I meant was Dr. Ketchums description for her possible future documentary. And I was able to find out she registered the domain feralhumanproject.info some time ago. There's no doubt in my mind they are a type of human. Then by any standard at all, they have killed humans... "Feral" humans would have all the rights of you and me...
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