New experiment proves that the collapse was not possible

Lennart Hyland · 29th September 2008, 01:04 PM

Truthers will go wild over this!

http://www.democraticunderground.com...&mesg_id=56836

PhantomWolf · 29th September 2008, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by Lennart Hyland

Truthers will go wild over this!

http://www.democraticunderground.com...&mesg_id=56836

https://www.flashback.info/images/smilies2/whoco5.gif

Spooked's rabbit cage is far from new, check the date, 2005!

Grizzly Bear · 29th September 2008, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by Lennart Hyland

Truthers will go wild over this!

http://www.democraticunderground.com...&mesg_id=56836

https://www.flashback.info/images/smilies2/whoco5.gif

LOL saw this back in August

defaultdotxbe · 29th September 2008, 01:10 PM

thats nothing, check out his follow-up experiment

http://wtcmodel.blogspot.com/2006/12/121006.html

Lennart Hyland · 29th September 2008, 01:11 PM

Oh...I havent seen it before :P I got from a truther site right now... I guess they are just as late as I am.

Well close this then.

Mince · 29th September 2008, 01:16 PM

The collapse not possible? So, what, the buildings are still standing there? Hmmm. Interesting. Really, how many people actually went to New York City to confirm the buildings aren't there anymore? Maybe we're relying too heavily on YouTube videos ourselves.

Lennart Hyland · 29th September 2008, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by Mince

The collapse not possible? So, what, the buildings are still standing there? Hmmm. Interesting. Really, how many people actually went to New York City to confirm the buildings aren't there anymore? Maybe we're relying too heavily on YouTube videos ourselves.

I think what the truthers are meaning is that the collapse was not possible without the help of CD.

Mince · 29th September 2008, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by defaultdotxbe

thats nothing, check out his follow-up experiment

http://wtcmodel.blogspot.com/2006/12/121006.html

Man, that would make a killer rat cage. You don't happen to have Spooked's contact info?

Mince · 29th September 2008, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by Lennart Hyland

I think what the truthers are meaning is that the collapse was not possible without the help of CD.

I know. I'm just making fun.

beachnut · 29th September 2008, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by Lennart Hyland

Oh...I havent seen it before :P I got from a truther site right now... I guess they are just as late as I am.

Well close this then.

The scale height is over 150 feet tall, not many floors needed to build a scale model of the WTC.

one silly model

Mince · 29th September 2008, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by beachnut

The scale height is over 150 feet tall, not many floors needed to build a scale model of the WTC.

one silly model

If their modeling is realistic and if they're right about the collapse, they should be able to load their modeled towers with explosives and get a collapse exactly as we saw on 9/11, right? I wonder why they don't try that, as it seems to me that would be the second experiment by any real scientist. They've disproven the competing theory, now it's time to prove their theory. Isn't Marc Harpoon...Marvin Proton...Max Phoo-Phoo...whatever his name is...isn't he some sort of sciency guy person? Maybe he can, through modelling, prove the CD hypothesis to be correct. He seems smart like that.

Grizzly Bear · 29th September 2008, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by defaultdotxbe

thats nothing, check out his follow-up experiment

http://wtcmodel.blogspot.com/2006/12/121006.html

I can't decide between whether Gage's card board box drop or this wir frame model is worse. THere's simply no level of woo that comes remotely near how silly that was...

Quad4_72 · 29th September 2008, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by Lennart Hyland

Truthers will go wild over this!

http://www.democraticunderground.com...&mesg_id=56836

https://www.flashback.info/images/smilies2/whoco5.gif

I gotta tell ya, that's, that's just awful. Twoofers lack of understanding of even the simplest structural concepts mind boggling. I think my two year old has a better understanding of this stuff than these idiots.

lapman · 29th September 2008, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by defaultdotxbe

thats nothing, check out his follow-up experiment

http://wtcmodel.blogspot.com/2006/12/121006.html

What I thought was interesting was:

Quote:

The tower was NOT going to fall down on the "impact side"-- but I could tilt the tower on the other side of the "plane damage" more easily.

So, could this phenomenon also apply as to why the tops of the towers did not tilt toward the impact side? The same for WTC 7 falling away from the damaged side?

jaydeehess · 29th September 2008, 03:27 PM

Maybe he could wire in blank .22 cartridges as 'explosive' and see how many of them are required before it collapses? LOL

If he does I'd like him to record it with audio please.

defaultdotxbe · 29th September 2008, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by Grizzly Bear

I can't decide between whether Gage's card board box drop or this wir frame model is worse. THere's simply no level of woo that comes remotely near how silly that was...

i like how he can see this

and still insist its in any way a valid model, and even went on to say it was biased to collapse, and was 100 times weaker than the actual WTC

ElMondoHummus · 29th September 2008, 05:22 PM

Oh, Spooked again? Hehe... Lennart, you tripped over one of the biggest fantasist memes from that time period. Yeah, I clearly remember his "experiment", and the jaw-dropping astonishment many people felt when they saw someone trying to claim that this model accurately describes the Twin Towers.

The Truth Movement was so young and innocent back then, so full of vigor...

nadsat · 29th September 2008, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by defaultdotxbe

i like how he can see this
http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger...%20%282%29.jpg
and still insist its in any way a valid model, and even went on to say it was biased to collapse, and was 100 times weaker than the actual WTC

mindblowing

SezMe · 29th September 2008, 07:24 PM

Man, that fire in the bowl was so hot it damaged my monitor.

SezMe · 29th September 2008, 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by jaydeehess

Maybe he could wire in blank .22 cartridges as 'explosive' and see how many of them are required before it collapses? LOL

If he does I'd like him to record it with audio please.

And video...I wanna see the tiny little squibs.

jaydeehess · 30th September 2008, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by SezMe

And video...I wanna see the tiny little squibs.

Oh by all means. I was unclear, I meant that in videoing it that he also include an audio track.

Inquiring minds want to see it.

Zipster · 4th October 2008, 06:59 AM

Wow, those experiments were...just wow... I'll at least give it to them for trying.

atecom · 4th October 2008, 08:50 AM

Many of these Truther experiments might have a leg to stand on if the twin towers were 2 large blocks of steel airlifted into Manhattan and the buildings were carved out of them... But since that is not the case, nor is it a plausible scenario, they fail to take into account how buildings are a group of smaller systems that work together to keep it up.

MIKILLINI · 4th October 2008, 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by Lennart Hyland

Truthers will go wild over this!

http://www.democraticunderground.com...&mesg_id=56836

https://www.flashback.info/images/smilies2/whoco5.gif

Is there a Stundie for experiments?

atecom · 7th October 2008, 06:43 PM

Its well known that the steel perimeter columns of the Windsor tower in Madrid collapsed on fire affected floors as well, I guess this experiment supposedly disproves that as well.

Miragememories · 8th October 2008, 05:54 AM

Originally Posted by atecom

Its well known that the steel perimeter columns of the Windsor tower in Madrid collapsed on fire affected floors as well, I guess this experiment supposedly disproves that as well.

From the official Windsor Building Collapse Report;

Authored by;
Dr. Kenichi Ikeda, Fire Safety Design Group Division
Prof. Ai Sekizawa, University of Tokyo, Dept. of Chemical Systems Engineering,
Fire and Disaster Management Engineering Laboratory

http://www.ncdr.nat.gov.tw/iwerr/doc...0PDF/s12-1.pdf

"the sizes of the steel columns at the outer walls were small and thin, they had almost no fire
protection and were easy to lose the strength. The outer frames of upper floors collapse in short time on
account of loss of strength of steel columns."

"The reason of not collapsing of the structure under 16th floor can be thought
that the steel columns had fire protection and the effective activity of fire brigade."

The surprising thing was how well that minor steel framework withstood this 15 hour fire, and the rooftop crane remained unbudged.

MM

johnny karate · 8th October 2008, 06:49 AM

I'm fairly certain that I could prove everything in MM's post wrong with some wire mesh framing and cinder blocks.

29th September 2008, 01:04 PM	#1
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29th September 2008, 01:07 PM	#2
PhantomWolf Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Lost Deimos Moon Base Posts: 9,891	Originally Posted by Lennart Hyland Truthers will go wild over this! http://www.democraticunderground.com...&mesg_id=56836 https://www.flashback.info/images/smilies2/whoco5.gif Spooked's rabbit cage is far from new, check the date, 2005!
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29th September 2008, 01:08 PM	#3
Grizzly Bear このマスクによっ Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 5,689	Originally Posted by Lennart Hyland Truthers will go wild over this! http://www.democraticunderground.com...&mesg_id=56836 https://www.flashback.info/images/smilies2/whoco5.gif LOL saw this back in August
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29th September 2008, 01:10 PM	#4
defaultdotxbe Drunken Shikigami Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Dark Side of the Sun Posts: 7,482	thats nothing, check out his follow-up experiment http://wtcmodel.blogspot.com/2006/12/121006.html
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29th September 2008, 01:11 PM	#5
Lennart Hyland Critical Thinker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 349	Oh...I havent seen it before :P I got from a truther site right now... I guess they are just as late as I am. Well close this then.
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29th September 2008, 01:16 PM	#6
Mince Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 2,019	The collapse not possible? So, what, the buildings are still standing there? Hmmm. Interesting. Really, how many people actually went to New York City to confirm the buildings aren't there anymore? Maybe we're relying too heavily on YouTube videos ourselves.
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29th September 2008, 01:19 PM	#7
Lennart Hyland Critical Thinker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 349	Originally Posted by Mince The collapse not possible? So, what, the buildings are still standing there? Hmmm. Interesting. Really, how many people actually went to New York City to confirm the buildings aren't there anymore? Maybe we're relying too heavily on YouTube videos ourselves. I think what the truthers are meaning is that the collapse was not possible without the help of CD.
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29th September 2008, 01:20 PM	#8
Mince Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 2,019	Originally Posted by defaultdotxbe thats nothing, check out his follow-up experiment http://wtcmodel.blogspot.com/2006/12/121006.html Man, that would make a killer rat cage. You don't happen to have Spooked's contact info?
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29th September 2008, 01:21 PM	#9
Mince Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 2,019	Originally Posted by Lennart Hyland I think what the truthers are meaning is that the collapse was not possible without the help of CD. I know. I'm just making fun.
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29th September 2008, 01:36 PM	#10
beachnut Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Dog House Posts: 19,881	Originally Posted by Lennart Hyland Oh...I havent seen it before :P I got from a truther site right now... I guess they are just as late as I am. Well close this then. The scale height is over 150 feet tall, not many floors needed to build a scale model of the WTC. one silly model

29th September 2008, 01:50 PM	#11
Mince Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 2,019	Originally Posted by beachnut The scale height is over 150 feet tall, not many floors needed to build a scale model of the WTC. one silly model If their modeling is realistic and if they're right about the collapse, they should be able to load their modeled towers with explosives and get a collapse exactly as we saw on 9/11, right? I wonder why they don't try that, as it seems to me that would be the second experiment by any real scientist. They've disproven the competing theory, now it's time to prove their theory. Isn't Marc Harpoon...Marvin Proton...Max Phoo-Phoo...whatever his name is...isn't he some sort of sciency guy person? Maybe he can, through modelling, prove the CD hypothesis to be correct. He seems smart like that.
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29th September 2008, 02:19 PM	#12
Grizzly Bear このマスクによっ Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 5,689	Originally Posted by defaultdotxbe thats nothing, check out his follow-up experiment http://wtcmodel.blogspot.com/2006/12/121006.html I can't decide between whether Gage's card board box drop or this wir frame model is worse. THere's simply no level of woo that comes remotely near how silly that was...
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29th September 2008, 02:33 PM	#13
Quad4_72 AI-EE-YAH! Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: USA Posts: 5,830	Originally Posted by Lennart Hyland Truthers will go wild over this! http://www.democraticunderground.com...&mesg_id=56836 https://www.flashback.info/images/smilies2/whoco5.gif I gotta tell ya, that's, that's just awful. Twoofers lack of understanding of even the simplest structural concepts mind boggling. I think my two year old has a better understanding of this stuff than these idiots.
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29th September 2008, 03:01 PM	#14
lapman Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,715	Originally Posted by defaultdotxbe thats nothing, check out his follow-up experiment http://wtcmodel.blogspot.com/2006/12/121006.html What I thought was interesting was: Quote: The tower was NOT going to fall down on the "impact side"-- but I could tilt the tower on the other side of the "plane damage" more easily. So, could this phenomenon also apply as to why the tops of the towers did not tilt toward the impact side? The same for WTC 7 falling away from the damaged side?
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jaydeehess Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: I beedunk 40 miles from the border Posts: 10,795	Maybe he could wire in blank .22 cartridges as 'explosive' and see how many of them are required before it collapses? LOL If he does I'd like him to record it with audio please.
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29th September 2008, 04:33 PM	#16
defaultdotxbe Drunken Shikigami Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Dark Side of the Sun Posts: 7,482	Originally Posted by Grizzly Bear I can't decide between whether Gage's card board box drop or this wir frame model is worse. THere's simply no level of woo that comes remotely near how silly that was... i like how he can see this and still insist its in any way a valid model, and even went on to say it was biased to collapse, and was 100 times weaker than the actual WTC
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29th September 2008, 05:22 PM	#17
ElMondoHummus 0.25 short of being half-witted Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Somewhere north of the South Pole Posts: 11,938	Oh, Spooked again? Hehe... Lennart, you tripped over one of the biggest fantasist memes from that time period. Yeah, I clearly remember his "experiment", and the jaw-dropping astonishment many people felt when they saw someone trying to claim that this model accurately describes the Twin Towers. The Truth Movement was so young and innocent back then, so full of vigor...
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29th September 2008, 05:38 PM	#18
nadsat Thinker Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 130	Originally Posted by defaultdotxbe i like how he can see this http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger...%20%282%29.jpg and still insist its in any way a valid model, and even went on to say it was biased to collapse, and was 100 times weaker than the actual WTC mindblowing
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SezMe post-pre-born Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 16,361	Man, that fire in the bowl was so hot it damaged my monitor.

29th September 2008, 07:25 PM	#20
SezMe post-pre-born Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 16,361	Originally Posted by jaydeehess Maybe he could wire in blank .22 cartridges as 'explosive' and see how many of them are required before it collapses? LOL If he does I'd like him to record it with audio please. And video...I wanna see the tiny little squibs.

30th September 2008, 03:25 PM	#21
jaydeehess Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: I beedunk 40 miles from the border Posts: 10,795	Originally Posted by SezMe And video...I wanna see the tiny little squibs. Oh by all means. I was unclear, I meant that in videoing it that he also include an audio track. Inquiring minds want to see it.

4th October 2008, 06:59 AM	#22
Zipster Thinker Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 178	Wow, those experiments were...just wow... I'll at least give it to them for trying.
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4th October 2008, 08:50 AM	#23
atecom Thinker Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 184	Many of these Truther experiments might have a leg to stand on if the twin towers were 2 large blocks of steel airlifted into Manhattan and the buildings were carved out of them... But since that is not the case, nor is it a plausible scenario, they fail to take into account how buildings are a group of smaller systems that work together to keep it up.

4th October 2008, 08:40 PM	#24
MIKILLINI Incromulent Logic Join Date: May 2007 Location: The Illini State Posts: 2,866	Are you trying out to be a comedian? Originally Posted by Lennart Hyland Truthers will go wild over this! http://www.democraticunderground.com...&mesg_id=56836 https://www.flashback.info/images/smilies2/whoco5.gif Is there a Stundie for experiments?
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7th October 2008, 06:43 PM	#25
atecom Thinker Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 184	Its well known that the steel perimeter columns of the Windsor tower in Madrid collapsed on fire affected floors as well, I guess this experiment supposedly disproves that as well.

8th October 2008, 05:54 AM	#26
Miragememories Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 3,753	Originally Posted by atecom Its well known that the steel perimeter columns of the Windsor tower in Madrid collapsed on fire affected floors as well, I guess this experiment supposedly disproves that as well. From the official Windsor Building Collapse Report; Authored by; Dr. Kenichi Ikeda, Fire Safety Design Group Division Prof. Ai Sekizawa, University of Tokyo, Dept. of Chemical Systems Engineering, Fire and Disaster Management Engineering Laboratory http://www.ncdr.nat.gov.tw/iwerr/doc...0PDF/s12-1.pdf "the sizes of the steel columns at the outer walls were small and thin, they had almost no fire protection and were easy to lose the strength. The outer frames of upper floors collapse in short time on account of loss of strength of steel columns." "The reason of not collapsing of the structure under 16th floor can be thought that the steel columns had fire protection and the effective activity of fire brigade." The surprising thing was how well that minor steel framework withstood this 15 hour fire, and the rooftop crane remained unbudged. MM
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8th October 2008, 06:49 AM	#27
johnny karate ... and your little dog too. Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 7,814	I'm fairly certain that I could prove everything in MM's post wrong with some wire mesh framing and cinder blocks.
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