What's McCain's Next Play?

DavidJames · 3rd October 2008, 04:44 AM

I've heard it said early on this is Obama's race to lose. Considering the circumstances (economy, war) American's will vote for a change.

The early poll numbers supported that premise. McCain tried to rock the boat by picking Palin and it worked for a couple weeks. As things started to swing back to Obama, he pulled out another gambit and suspended his campaign to assist with the bail out issue. That didn't work.

What's next? What new gambit will McCain try to shake up the voters?

I've always thought he would hammer hard on terrorism. Portray Obama as weak and try to make voters afraid of Obama as president. I'm very surprised with only a month left, he's not taken that path.

My guess is we will begin to see very strong ad's by McCain (or those supporting him) pushing the terrorism issue and trying to portray Obama as weak.

Will McCain "sit back" and try to overcome the momentum through ad's alone or will he make some other move?

You've just been named McCain's top adviser, what would you do?

a_unique_person · 3rd October 2008, 05:02 AM

Spend more money on attack ads.

XBoxWarrior · 3rd October 2008, 05:08 AM

I'd pull out of Michigan...oh wait.

Gnu World Order · 3rd October 2008, 05:59 AM

McCain's only hope is to suspend his campaign, travel to Pakistan, bring back bin Laden in handcuffs, AND convert him to Christianity.

Upchurch · 3rd October 2008, 07:42 AM

Originally Posted by DavidJames

You've just been named McCain's top adviser, what would you do?

Warm up by drinking heavily. Once I had a good buzz going, then I'd really start drinking. Hard.

Cleon · 3rd October 2008, 07:45 AM

Originally Posted by Gnu World Order

McCain's only hope is to suspend his campaign, travel to Pakistan, bring back bin Laden in handcuffs, AND convert him to Christianity.

With bonus points if OBL becomes a Pentecostal.

GreyICE · 3rd October 2008, 08:19 AM

Bend over, stick head between legs...

fishbob · 3rd October 2008, 08:36 AM

Go for a treatment at the hair salon that Carrie Fisher operated in the original Blues Brothers movie.

Curl Up and Dye.

JoeTheJuggler · 3rd October 2008, 09:05 AM

I'm not sure, but the next stunt will probably involve a preacher or minister. . .

ZenFountain · 3rd October 2008, 09:12 AM

Change this

To this

Of course there's various combinations with the smaller swing states, but if McCain doesn't carry Florida and Ohio his chances of winning are not good. Pennsylvania is another possibility but his numbers are continuing to deteriorate there.

fuelair · 3rd October 2008, 12:48 PM

Cry.

corplinx · 3rd October 2008, 12:50 PM

His next act has to be something revolutionary to make the race not about Obama or Palin but about him. If she wants to call him a maverick 47 times, he needs to do something to live up to that image.

chipmunk stew · 3rd October 2008, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by corplinx

His next act has to be something revolutionary to make the race not about Obama or Palin but about him. If she wants to call him a maverick 47 times, he needs to do something to live up to that image.

Drop Palin and pick up Lieberman?

Pookster · 3rd October 2008, 12:55 PM

The economy is killing him. Maybe he could die. He might get the sympathy vote that way.

JihadJane · 3rd October 2008, 12:56 PM

Fake his own death (shouldn't be too hard) and let Palin take the flak while he sits, incognito, on a pile of looted gold, abroad, sunbathing in his swimming trunks.

corplinx · 3rd October 2008, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by chipmunk stew

Drop Palin and pick up Lieberman?

We could do much worse than Joe Lieberman in the white house. Unfortunately I don't think it will happen. Despite his stance on entertainment censorship, his Iraq policy is basically the same as other democrats except he supported the surge. And for some reason this makes him a heretic.

What I am talking is policy. Right now he and Obama are having a contest to out-milquetoast each other. In their debates, mere nuance differentiates their positions.

We have our pick of two military interventionist, low tax, health care assistance candidates (neither of whom I trust to get deficit spending under control). If you vote for Obama, you get John McCain plus an end to your white guilt and a way of sticking it to Bush.

McCain has to make this a real choice. I don't think he will. I'm pretty sure its an Obama win like I was at the beginning of the summer. It would however be nice if the old vet went down with a fight ideas and not a fight of attack ads.

davefoc · 3rd October 2008, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by a_unique_person

Spend more money on attack ads.

That seems like the best strategy at this point. You probably wouldn't want to go full blast with that for another few weeks and you would want your surrogates to lead the charge.

There is some really deep seated hatred of Obama in this country. It is either racist or religiously based. But the Muslim thing plays very well in older religiously oriented blocks. If McCain could find some way to tap into that and expand it he could pick up some votes.

He could also try making the legitimate point that the Democrats are tied deeply to this financial crisis because of their support for disastrous Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae policies. He could expand on that by going after the Democrats as scary, over regulating, over taxing elitist liberals who will drive the country to disaster. No matter how fiscally irresponsible the Republicans are the hypocritical Republican mantra about this always seems to have some traction. The problem with the Freddie Mae and Fannie Mac stuff for McCain is that McCain has his own problems with disastrous financial policies going back to his Keating 5 days. But he's behind now and it might be time to experiment with some new strategies.

chipmunk stew · 3rd October 2008, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by corplinx

We could do much worse than Joe Lieberman in the white house. Unfortunately I don't think it will happen. Despite his stance on entertainment censorship, his Iraq policy is basically the same as other democrats except he supported the surge. And for some reason this makes him a heretic.

What I am talking is policy. Right now he and Obama are having a contest to out-milquetoast each other. In their debates, mere nuance differentiates their positions.

We have our pick of two military interventionist, low tax, health care assistance candidates (neither of whom I trust to get deficit spending under control). If you vote for Obama, you get John McCain plus an end to your white guilt and a way of sticking it to Bush.

McCain has to make this a real choice. I don't think he will. I'm pretty sure its an Obama win like I was at the beginning of the summer. It would however be nice if the old vet went down with a fight ideas and not a fight of attack ads.

Geez, you sound like Ralph Nader... Maybe he's your man.

Nogbad · 3rd October 2008, 02:10 PM

30 days is a long time in politics (sorry Harold)

If the economic news continues to dominate and Iraq and Afghanistan stay quiet he could be sunk but some unexpected turn of events might give him an opportunity to shine (have Fox still got their terrorland alarm thingy?)

ProbeX · 3rd October 2008, 02:18 PM

The McCain Camp announced they're about to go in for a repeat Reverend Wright attack.

They could plaster Jewish Community Centers and college campuses with "Obama-Osama is a Muslim" flyers, and slip them under the front door of American homes.

Could lie even harder - create fresh rumors based on rumors, ya know? Get Hannity to announce that Obama is plotting a fresh terrorist attack and the youtube evidence will be available to anyone who wants to see it, on November 5.

corplinx · 3rd October 2008, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by chipmunk stew

Geez, you sound like Ralph Nader... Maybe he's your man.

Maybe Ralph Nader is right about the homogeneous views of the tickets. I just disagree with Nader on which of those views are correct or incorrect.

ZenFountain · 3rd October 2008, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by Nogbad

If the economic news continues to dominate and Iraq and Afghanistan stay quiet he could be sunk but...

It would take something drastic on the war or national security fronts to take the eye off the economy at this point in time, and I mean drastic in the truest sense of the word. Looking at the electoral situation he needs to win Florida and Ohio, two states that are being pounded by the ill effects of this current situation. The suburban areas of Colorado in the corridor between Colorado Springs and Fort Collins are also being hit pretty hard, those are the voters John McCain needs to keep Colorado red.

I think he'll probably hang on to Missouri and Indiana, no telling on Virginia, but he's simply got to change the economic trajectory of his campaign in Florida and Ohio or he's toast. How does he do that? Well for starters he can stop with the gimmicks such as suspending his campaign, playing on sentiments of the day (literally, that day) and come out with a detailed economic plan. On his website he is still calling for a summer gas tax holiday as part of his relief plan, really it's a joke.

Given the confidence Palin displayed last night, he might try to reignite the culture war in a big way as well in an attempt to stir up values voters. I thought that was his plan all along with the Palin pick, but every time she has been on the TV trying to light the kindling on same sex marriage, abortion, gun rights, etc. she's had a meltdown that overshadowed everything else.

SezMe · 3rd October 2008, 03:09 PM

We're gonna see the ressurection of Rev. Wright. Big time.

Cleon · 3rd October 2008, 03:25 PM

Going uber-negative is really McCain's only shot.

I'm thinking it'll work as well for him as it did for Bush Sr. in 92.

BenBurch · 3rd October 2008, 03:45 PM

What does McCain do now?

http://wedie.ytmnd.com/

(Only makes sense if you saw that film, sorry.)

MattusMaximus · 3rd October 2008, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by chipmunk stew

Drop Palin and pick up Lieberman?

McCain would be sunk for sure if he did that. He'd immediately lose the support of most of the religious right conservatives who are giddy about Palin. And without the GOP base, McCain has no chance at all.

MattusMaximus · 3rd October 2008, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by SezMe

We're gonna see the ressurection of Rev. Wright. Big time.

Yup, that and the whole William Ayers thing. Now that McCain and the GOP are obviously backed into a corner, they're going to turn the negative-ads dial all the way up to 11.

If you thought the mud-slinging in 2004 was bad, you ain't seen nothing yet.

SezMe · 3rd October 2008, 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by MattusMaximus

If you thought the mud-slinging in 2004 was bad, you ain't seen nothing yet.

Hey, we can use our own local BACometer to measure the ugliness coefficient of the campaign. The more he creates and posts in his Stuck-on-Stupid threads, the worse it is.

Crowlogic · 3rd October 2008, 08:13 PM

McCain's last move could be to phone Bush and tell him that right about then is a good time to start that war with Iran George has been itching to start. So Bush starts war declares national emergency elections get waived and lo and behold the status que gets preserved. Elections? what elections? We don't need no stinking elections!

HereticHulk · 3rd October 2008, 08:29 PM

McCain should drop out of the race and endorse Ron Paul and get outta the way for real change.

GreyICE · 3rd October 2008, 08:51 PM

Originally Posted by HereticHulk

McCain should drop out of the race and endorse Ron Paul and get outta the way for real change.

Right about the time Palin grows wings and flaps to Russia.

ZenFountain · 3rd October 2008, 08:57 PM

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McCain's last move could be to phone Bush and tell him that right about then is a good time to start that war with Iran George has been itching to start.

I wouldn't doubt someone in the McCain campaign has contemplated eleventh hour fear mongering as a strategy of last resort, but it would likely backfire in a big way. It didn't work in 2004 when the Bush team tried scare people into thinking we'd be more likely to be attacked again if a Democrat was elected and it certainly wouldn't work now.

When it came down to Obama v Clinton in the primary he pretty well had her pinned into a corner where any drastic moves or new lines of attack against him made her look desperate or evil. McCain is headed strait into that same position with all the idiotic press conferences and campaign maneuvers over the past few weeks, to the point where his only hope will be to come out guns blazing with attack ads as others have mentioned.

corplinx · 3rd October 2008, 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by Crowlogic

McCain's last move could be to phone Bush and tell him that right about then is a good time to start that war with Iran George has been itching to start. So Bush starts war declares national emergency elections get waived and lo and behold the status que gets preserved. Elections? what elections? We don't need no stinking elections!

The amazing thing to me is that all of those commies and hippies who claimed we were beating the war drums on Iran somehow missed the very provocative way Biden described Pakistan.

I'm shocked Biden didn't march into Greta Van Sustern's studio earlier in the week and detain the president of Pakistan himself, who was talking with her during his US visit.

ZenFountain · 3rd October 2008, 09:05 PM

Originally Posted by HereticHulk

McCain should drop out of the race and endorse Ron Paul and get outta the way for real change.

The only way Ron Paul could have won is if the Democrats had nominated Osama bin Laden and moveon.org.

Ron Paul, catastrophe you can believe in!

Smackety · 3rd October 2008, 09:10 PM

Originally Posted by corplinx

The amazing thing to me is that all of those commies and hippies who claimed we were beating the war drums on Iran somehow missed the very provocative way Biden described Pakistan.

I'm shocked Biden didn't march into Greta Van Sustern's studio earlier in the week and detain the president of Pakistan himself, who was talking with her during his US visit.

Iran != Pakistan

SezMe · 3rd October 2008, 09:10 PM

Originally Posted by Crowlogic

McCain's last move could be to phone Bush and tell him that right about then is a good time to start that war with Iran George has been itching to start. So Bush starts war declares national emergency elections get waived and lo and behold the status que gets preserved. Elections? what elections? We don't need no stinking elections!

Originally Posted by HereticHulk

McCain should drop out of the race and endorse Ron Paul and get outta the way for real change.

Jesus, what is this? Fantasyland? It's Friday night so maybe everyone is posting while ****faced. There must be SOME explanation for the nuttery level in here.

SezMe · 3rd October 2008, 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by ZenFountain

I wouldn't doubt someone in the McCain campaign has contemplated eleventh hour fear mongering as a strategy of last resort, but it would likely backfire in a big way. It didn't work in 2004 when the Bush team tried scare people into thinking we'd be more likely to be attacked again if a Democrat was elected and it certainly wouldn't work now.

Gawd, it must be the air. Remind me again who won in 2004.

GreyICE · 3rd October 2008, 09:14 PM

Originally Posted by SezMe

Jesus, what is this? Fantasyland? It's Friday night so maybe everyone is posting while ****faced. There must be SOME explanation for the nuttery level in here.

It's a day of the week ending in ...day?

ZenFountain · 3rd October 2008, 09:30 PM

Originally Posted by SezMe

Gawd, it must be the air. Remind me again who won in 2004.

I know who won in 2004, what I said was Rove's tactic of trying to scare people into thinking that we'd be less safe with Kerry didn't work, it actually backfired and got Kerry back in the race after the first debate when Kerry hammered Bush on how it was the war in Iraq that was making us less safe. Winning in the end doesn't validate every tactic used in a campaign.

HereticHulk · 3rd October 2008, 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by ZenFountain

The only way Ron Paul could have won is if the Democrats had nominated Osama bin Laden and moveon.org.

Ron Paul, catastrophe you can believe in!

Well the Dems and Reps have more or less put OBL on a pedestal and are playing directly into his stated goal for America.

And if by catastrophe you mean real change for peace, prosperity and sound economy? I agree.

3rd October 2008, 04:44 AM	#1
DavidJames Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Front Range, CO Posts: 7,084	What's McCain's Next Play? I've heard it said early on this is Obama's race to lose. Considering the circumstances (economy, war) American's will vote for a change. The early poll numbers supported that premise. McCain tried to rock the boat by picking Palin and it worked for a couple weeks. As things started to swing back to Obama, he pulled out another gambit and suspended his campaign to assist with the bail out issue. That didn't work. What's next? What new gambit will McCain try to shake up the voters? I've always thought he would hammer hard on terrorism. Portray Obama as weak and try to make voters afraid of Obama as president. I'm very surprised with only a month left, he's not taken that path. My guess is we will begin to see very strong ad's by McCain (or those supporting him) pushing the terrorism issue and trying to portray Obama as weak. Will McCain "sit back" and try to overcome the momentum through ad's alone or will he make some other move? You've just been named McCain's top adviser, what would you do?

3rd October 2008, 05:02 AM	#2
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3rd October 2008, 07:45 AM	#6
Cleon King of the Pod People Moderator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 20,512	Originally Posted by Gnu World Order McCain's only hope is to suspend his campaign, travel to Pakistan, bring back bin Laden in handcuffs, AND convert him to Christianity. With bonus points if OBL becomes a Pentecostal.
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Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: Funky Town (STL, MO) Posts: 23,424	Originally Posted by DavidJames You've just been named McCain's top adviser, what would you do? Warm up by drinking heavily. Once I had a good buzz going, then I'd really start drinking. Hard.

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3rd October 2008, 09:12 AM	#10
ZenFountain Muse Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 666	Change this To this Of course there's various combinations with the smaller swing states, but if McCain doesn't carry Florida and Ohio his chances of winning are not good. Pennsylvania is another possibility but his numbers are continuing to deteriorate there.
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corplinx JREF Kid Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 8,944	His next act has to be something revolutionary to make the race not about Obama or Palin but about him. If she wants to call him a maverick 47 times, he needs to do something to live up to that image.
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chipmunk stew The Spikey Mace of Love and Mercy Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: SE PA Posts: 7,465	Originally Posted by corplinx His next act has to be something revolutionary to make the race not about Obama or Palin but about him. If she wants to call him a maverick 47 times, he needs to do something to live up to that image. Drop Palin and pick up Lieberman?
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3rd October 2008, 01:03 PM	#16
corplinx JREF Kid Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 8,944	Originally Posted by chipmunk stew Drop Palin and pick up Lieberman? We could do much worse than Joe Lieberman in the white house. Unfortunately I don't think it will happen. Despite his stance on entertainment censorship, his Iraq policy is basically the same as other democrats except he supported the surge. And for some reason this makes him a heretic. What I am talking is policy. Right now he and Obama are having a contest to out-milquetoast each other. In their debates, mere nuance differentiates their positions. We have our pick of two military interventionist, low tax, health care assistance candidates (neither of whom I trust to get deficit spending under control). If you vote for Obama, you get John McCain plus an end to your white guilt and a way of sticking it to Bush. McCain has to make this a real choice. I don't think he will. I'm pretty sure its an Obama win like I was at the beginning of the summer. It would however be nice if the old vet went down with a fight ideas and not a fight of attack ads.
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3rd October 2008, 01:38 PM	#17
davefoc Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: orange country, california Posts: 7,254	Originally Posted by a_unique_person Spend more money on attack ads. That seems like the best strategy at this point. You probably wouldn't want to go full blast with that for another few weeks and you would want your surrogates to lead the charge. There is some really deep seated hatred of Obama in this country. It is either racist or religiously based. But the Muslim thing plays very well in older religiously oriented blocks. If McCain could find some way to tap into that and expand it he could pick up some votes. He could also try making the legitimate point that the Democrats are tied deeply to this financial crisis because of their support for disastrous Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae policies. He could expand on that by going after the Democrats as scary, over regulating, over taxing elitist liberals who will drive the country to disaster. No matter how fiscally irresponsible the Republicans are the hypocritical Republican mantra about this always seems to have some traction. The problem with the Freddie Mae and Fannie Mac stuff for McCain is that McCain has his own problems with disastrous financial policies going back to his Keating 5 days. But he's behind now and it might be time to experiment with some new strategies.
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chipmunk stew The Spikey Mace of Love and Mercy Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: SE PA Posts: 7,465	Originally Posted by corplinx We could do much worse than Joe Lieberman in the white house. Unfortunately I don't think it will happen. Despite his stance on entertainment censorship, his Iraq policy is basically the same as other democrats except he supported the surge. And for some reason this makes him a heretic. What I am talking is policy. Right now he and Obama are having a contest to out-milquetoast each other. In their debates, mere nuance differentiates their positions. We have our pick of two military interventionist, low tax, health care assistance candidates (neither of whom I trust to get deficit spending under control). If you vote for Obama, you get John McCain plus an end to your white guilt and a way of sticking it to Bush. McCain has to make this a real choice. I don't think he will. I'm pretty sure its an Obama win like I was at the beginning of the summer. It would however be nice if the old vet went down with a fight ideas and not a fight of attack ads. Geez, you sound like Ralph Nader... Maybe he's your man.
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3rd October 2008, 02:10 PM	#19
Nogbad Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Scotland Posts: 2,513	30 days is a long time in politics (sorry Harold) If the economic news continues to dominate and Iraq and Afghanistan stay quiet he could be sunk but some unexpected turn of events might give him an opportunity to shine (have Fox still got their terrorland alarm thingy?)
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ProbeX Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,443	The McCain Camp announced they're about to go in for a repeat Reverend Wright attack. They could plaster Jewish Community Centers and college campuses with "Obama-Osama is a Muslim" flyers, and slip them under the front door of American homes. Could lie even harder - create fresh rumors based on rumors, ya know? Get Hannity to announce that Obama is plotting a fresh terrorist attack and the youtube evidence will be available to anyone who wants to see it, on November 5.
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3rd October 2008, 02:20 PM	#21
corplinx JREF Kid Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 8,944	Originally Posted by chipmunk stew Geez, you sound like Ralph Nader... Maybe he's your man. Maybe Ralph Nader is right about the homogeneous views of the tickets. I just disagree with Nader on which of those views are correct or incorrect.
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3rd October 2008, 02:39 PM	#22
ZenFountain Muse Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 666	Originally Posted by Nogbad If the economic news continues to dominate and Iraq and Afghanistan stay quiet he could be sunk but... It would take something drastic on the war or national security fronts to take the eye off the economy at this point in time, and I mean drastic in the truest sense of the word. Looking at the electoral situation he needs to win Florida and Ohio, two states that are being pounded by the ill effects of this current situation. The suburban areas of Colorado in the corridor between Colorado Springs and Fort Collins are also being hit pretty hard, those are the voters John McCain needs to keep Colorado red. I think he'll probably hang on to Missouri and Indiana, no telling on Virginia, but he's simply got to change the economic trajectory of his campaign in Florida and Ohio or he's toast. How does he do that? Well for starters he can stop with the gimmicks such as suspending his campaign, playing on sentiments of the day (literally, that day) and come out with a detailed economic plan. On his website he is still calling for a summer gas tax holiday as part of his relief plan, really it's a joke. Given the confidence Palin displayed last night, he might try to reignite the culture war in a big way as well in an attempt to stir up values voters. I thought that was his plan all along with the Palin pick, but every time she has been on the TV trying to light the kindling on same sex marriage, abortion, gun rights, etc. she's had a meltdown that overshadowed everything else.
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MattusMaximus Intellectual Gladiator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the midst of a vast, beautiful & uncaring universe Posts: 14,175	Originally Posted by chipmunk stew Drop Palin and pick up Lieberman? McCain would be sunk for sure if he did that. He'd immediately lose the support of most of the religious right conservatives who are giddy about Palin. And without the GOP base, McCain has no chance at all.
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MattusMaximus Intellectual Gladiator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the midst of a vast, beautiful & uncaring universe Posts: 14,175	Originally Posted by SezMe We're gonna see the ressurection of Rev. Wright. Big time. Yup, that and the whole William Ayers thing. Now that McCain and the GOP are obviously backed into a corner, they're going to turn the negative-ads dial all the way up to 11. If you thought the mud-slinging in 2004 was bad, you ain't seen nothing yet.
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3rd October 2008, 07:37 PM	#28
SezMe post-pre-born Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 16,369	Originally Posted by MattusMaximus If you thought the mud-slinging in 2004 was bad, you ain't seen nothing yet. Hey, we can use our own local BACometer to measure the ugliness coefficient of the campaign. The more he creates and posts in his Stuck-on-Stupid threads, the worse it is.

3rd October 2008, 08:13 PM	#29
Crowlogic Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Crows Nest At Large Posts: 1,379	McCain's last move could be to phone Bush and tell him that right about then is a good time to start that war with Iran George has been itching to start. So Bush starts war declares national emergency elections get waived and lo and behold the status que gets preserved. Elections? what elections? We don't need no stinking elections!
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3rd October 2008, 08:29 PM	#30
HereticHulk Muse Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 716	McCain should drop out of the race and endorse Ron Paul and get outta the way for real change.
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3rd October 2008, 08:51 PM	#31
GreyICE Guest Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 7,173	Originally Posted by HereticHulk McCain should drop out of the race and endorse Ron Paul and get outta the way for real change. Right about the time Palin grows wings and flaps to Russia.
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3rd October 2008, 08:57 PM	#32
ZenFountain Muse Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 666	Quote: McCain's last move could be to phone Bush and tell him that right about then is a good time to start that war with Iran George has been itching to start. I wouldn't doubt someone in the McCain campaign has contemplated eleventh hour fear mongering as a strategy of last resort, but it would likely backfire in a big way. It didn't work in 2004 when the Bush team tried scare people into thinking we'd be more likely to be attacked again if a Democrat was elected and it certainly wouldn't work now. When it came down to Obama v Clinton in the primary he pretty well had her pinned into a corner where any drastic moves or new lines of attack against him made her look desperate or evil. McCain is headed strait into that same position with all the idiotic press conferences and campaign maneuvers over the past few weeks, to the point where his only hope will be to come out guns blazing with attack ads as others have mentioned.
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3rd October 2008, 08:57 PM	#33
corplinx JREF Kid Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 8,944	Originally Posted by Crowlogic McCain's last move could be to phone Bush and tell him that right about then is a good time to start that war with Iran George has been itching to start. So Bush starts war declares national emergency elections get waived and lo and behold the status que gets preserved. Elections? what elections? We don't need no stinking elections! The amazing thing to me is that all of those commies and hippies who claimed we were beating the war drums on Iran somehow missed the very provocative way Biden described Pakistan. I'm shocked Biden didn't march into Greta Van Sustern's studio earlier in the week and detain the president of Pakistan himself, who was talking with her during his US visit.
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3rd October 2008, 09:05 PM	#34
ZenFountain Muse Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 666	Originally Posted by HereticHulk McCain should drop out of the race and endorse Ron Paul and get outta the way for real change. The only way Ron Paul could have won is if the Democrats had nominated Osama bin Laden and moveon.org. Ron Paul, catastrophe you can believe in!
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3rd October 2008, 09:10 PM	#35
Smackety Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1,145	Originally Posted by corplinx The amazing thing to me is that all of those commies and hippies who claimed we were beating the war drums on Iran somehow missed the very provocative way Biden described Pakistan. I'm shocked Biden didn't march into Greta Van Sustern's studio earlier in the week and detain the president of Pakistan himself, who was talking with her during his US visit. Iran != Pakistan