Hardfire Visits Ground Zero

pomeroo · 3rd October 2008, 05:11 AM

Here's the first show. I haven't watched it yet, so I don't know what's in it. The producer warned me that the video quality was not good, but let me hear from you:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...re+seven+years

Hyperviolet · 3rd October 2008, 06:54 AM

"Gage was in a debate against a debunker named Mark Roberts. Gage was handled very, very roughly. And, quite frankly, the man has never designed anything bigger than a gymnasium."

LMAO.
Blunt.

ETA: 14 minutes. Afghan pipeline.
Hilarious.

MikeW · 3rd October 2008, 07:04 AM

Yes, I liked the shock when the guy said "there's no pipeline in Afghanistan?"

Totovader · 3rd October 2008, 07:08 AM

What's interesting about these guys- and it's been a very similar experience for me talking to Twoofers- but they are completely lost without their Internet.

At the same time you can correct them on the the facts and it means absolutely nothing to them.

It's not easy being bombarded like that- especially from a bunch of angry Twoofers- most of whom think you're a government agent who is trying to cover up the murder of 3000 innocent civilians by your co-workers...

Totovader · 3rd October 2008, 07:09 AM

double-post

MikeW · 3rd October 2008, 07:15 AM

The guy who couldn't think of any questions beyond WTC7 (but might manage it if he "had more time") was well worth repeating, too. Like Totovader said, it's not easy coping when you're in the middle of a crowd like that - good job.

Hyperviolet · 3rd October 2008, 07:42 AM

Did anyone else find that "Media Expert" to be rather obnoxious?
The irony is, of course, that he is completely and utterly misinformed.

Sigh.

RedIbis · 3rd October 2008, 08:02 AM

If Ron was genuinely interested in hearing what these people had to say he wouldn't keep cutting them off each time they try to answer his ridiculous request for a narrative.

As if anyone is going to provide a complete timeline of events for the most complex day in American history in a few short minutes.

Totovader · 3rd October 2008, 08:11 AM

Originally Posted by RedIbis

If Ron was genuinely interested in hearing what these people had to say he wouldn't keep cutting them off each time they try to answer his ridiculous request for a narrative.

As if anyone is going to provide a complete timeline of events for the most complex day in American history in a few short minutes.

Take all the time you need. Post a timeline here.

A W Smith · 3rd October 2008, 08:37 AM

but Pomeroo, Truthers have been shooting themselves in the foot in their apartments and basements for seven years now.

The heat treating screwdrivers guy was someone special. 'heat all the steel in the building for it to fail?" that takes a special kind of ignorance.

scissorhands · 3rd October 2008, 08:41 AM

Is that Gary Tallis at around six minutes in?
He was looking very shifty, eyes everywhere.
Looking for girls in wheelchairs maybe?

Lennart Hyland · 3rd October 2008, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by A W Smith

The heat treating screwdrivers guy was someone special. 'heat all the steel in the building for it to fail?" that takes a special kind of ignorance.

haha yeah I was just going to say that!

Great work Ronald!

Bobert · 3rd October 2008, 09:09 AM

Ron,
I believe one day Brad Pitt will play you in the movie made about your undercover time as a government operative sent to destroy the truth movement.
Keep up the good work!

scissorhands · 3rd October 2008, 09:21 AM

Just finished watching.
That was excellent Ron, a most enjoyable half hour.

BTW the video quality improves after the first few minutes.

Crazytimes · 3rd October 2008, 09:57 AM

This is awesome.

"What is your scientific evidence"
"Uhh....there was a guy who worked security at LAX"

Don't they realize how moronic they are ?

Brainster · 3rd October 2008, 10:20 AM

Like your new haircut, Ron; you look a little less Lugosi-ish.

I'll put it up on the blog.

R.Mackey · 3rd October 2008, 10:20 AM

A car that runs on water? Pedophiles? What are they talking about..?

I always come away feeling sorry for these guys. They just don't understand. That's why there's such a quality difference between those asking legitimate questions -- those actually trying to learn things -- and the run-of-the-mill Truth Movement.

Blender Head · 3rd October 2008, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by R.Mackey

A car that runs on water? Pedophiles? What are they talking about..?

I just watched that part, and got to this post, and I must say I'm incredibly confused.

T.A.M. · 3rd October 2008, 11:24 AM

about two minutes in, the guy with the bushy hair says, about WTC 7,

"It fell straight down, like this" or something close.

My question (and I wish Ron had of asked it), is

"please demonstrate for me, based on other building collapses you have seen, how the buildings should have collapsed if through unintentional means?"

See they all whine and bitch about how it fell straight down, etc...yet not one of them has ever said,

"well if it collapsed as a result of fires alone, then it should have fallen like X, instead of like Y".

TAM

T.A.M. · 3rd October 2008, 11:28 AM

I am sorry, I am 5 minutes in, and I can't stand to watch any more stupidity.

Ron, were they all that uniformed? They were worse than Sarah Palin in the Couric interview.

TAM

Mr.Herbert · 3rd October 2008, 12:34 PM

I loved the expression on the stoner dude when Ron told him there was no pipeline.

The poor guy looked like a booble head doll looking for suppport.

beachnut · 3rd October 2008, 01:17 PM

Energy had to be added! I have a screw driver.

I want a new investigation. "Did you read the NIST report?" No but I have a screwdriver.

All steel had to be heated up! Did I tell you about my screwdriver?

Truthers did good talking, I would screw that part all up!

I like the water car. Using fuel cell for electricity we have been using in space since the 60s is an old, old, very old story, invented in 1839! The guy worked for the news services and he is not capable of research! Classic 9/11 truth.

Junk ideas, who needs facts!

nicepants · 3rd October 2008, 03:04 PM

Wow...I'm only to the first truther and it's Gold already!

Surprised to see so many (more than 2) truthers in attendance.

Not surprised that they all seemed to be 12-20something young men repeating the same debunked claims over and over.

pomeroo · 3rd October 2008, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by RedIbis

If Ron was genuinely interested in hearing what these people had to say he wouldn't keep cutting them off each time they try to answer his ridiculous request for a narrative.

As if anyone is going to provide a complete timeline of events for the most complex day in American history in a few short minutes.

Some of us noticed that they do not "try" to offer a narrative. I know that I have noticed that you tend to apply the adjective "ridiculous" to questions that expose your evil movement for the fraud that it is. Fantasists have made preposterous and pernicious charges for over six years, yet they can't begin to connect them in a coherent narrative.

I'm genuinely interested in hearing you attempt to provide a narrative for the events of 9/11/01.

Oh, that's right--you can't. You have no narrative--remember? You're still "asking questions"--questions that have been answered many, many times.

Bobert · 3rd October 2008, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by RedIbis

If Ron was genuinely interested in hearing what these people had to say he wouldn't keep cutting them off each time they try to answer his ridiculous request for a narrative.

As if anyone is going to provide a complete timeline of events for the most complex day in American history in a few short minutes.

Well come on that first dude looked like Robert Downey Jr AND he looked baffled as to the meaning of "narrative".
It looked like he had to search his brain around the synapses that hadn't been damaged by all that weed.
I AM IRONMAN!
"I plan to since you told me about it"
ROFL!!!

pomeroo · 3rd October 2008, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by Mr.Herbert

I loved the expression on the stoner dude when Ron told him there was no pipeline.

The poor guy looked like a booble head doll looking for suppport.

He was my personal favorite. Someone has just told him that one of his cherished myths is simply not true. It never occurred to him that it might not be true. He clings to it the way some people refuse to throw out a dirty, battered old recliner that smells bad. The people who scream about a war for oil are the same. They've been completely exposed: gas prices topped four bucks a gallon and nobody's stealing any Iraqi oil, but they can't let go. Their entire worldview is built on this myth.

nicepants · 3rd October 2008, 03:43 PM

Just finished watching the video. Great work, Ron! (and crew)

Are we going to see a part 2? Outtakes?

While I'm usually not interested in giving the truth movement media attention, I feel that anymore it does more harm to their "movement" than good, as people will quite easily see that most truthers are lacking in common sense and overflowing in ignorance.

scissorhands · 3rd October 2008, 03:55 PM

Rons use of the "giving them enough rope" technique worked very well.
He exposed their insanity, by being both humorous and coolly dispassionate.
A great example of how to deal with idiots.

pomeroo · 3rd October 2008, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by nicepants

Just finished watching the video. Great work, Ron! (and crew)

Are we going to see a part 2? Outtakes?

While I'm usually not interested in giving the truth movement media attention, I feel that anymore it does more harm to their "movement" than good, as people will quite easily see that most truthers are lacking in common sense and overflowing in ignorance.

The crew consisted of Gary Popkin. You will see part 2 as soon as Gary finishes editing it (a outtakes show might be pretty funny). We're trying to show twoofers in action. Some of these people ranted about George Bush without ever getting around to mentioning 9/11. I don't think they merit inclusion.

pomeroo · 3rd October 2008, 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by scissorhands

Rons use of the "giving them enough rope" technique worked very well.
He exposed their insanity, by being both humorous and coolly dispassionate.
A great example of how to deal with idiots.

Many thanks! Yes, the idea was to draw them out and let them talk.

ktesibios · 3rd October 2008, 04:08 PM

I particularly enjoyed the bald guy who kept going on about how the neo-cons staged the attacks to send a message to the rest of the world. Apparently the best way to impress the international community with how tough you are is to cut off your own (insert name of particularly sensitive body part here).

That even one-ups Monty Python's Black Knight.

TexasJack · 3rd October 2008, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by MikeW

Yes, I liked the shock when the guy said "there's no pipeline in Afghanistan?"

His expression and answer reminded me of "Spinal Tap" when the guitarist thought he had the ingenious amp that went to 11, when informed that he can just make 10 be 11 and move the numbers down, his answer: "this one goes to 11."

Quad4_72 · 3rd October 2008, 04:33 PM

I can't believe they were still saying "pull it". So insane.

RedIbis · 3rd October 2008, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by pomeroo

Some of us noticed that they do not "try" to offer a narrative. I know that I have noticed that you tend to apply the adjective "ridiculous" to questions that expose your evil movement for the fraud that it is. Fantasists have made preposterous and pernicious charges for over six years, yet they can't begin to connect them in a coherent narrative.

I'm genuinely interested in hearing you attempt to provide a narrative for the events of 9/11/01.

Oh, that's right--you can't. You have no narrative--remember? You're still "asking questions"--questions that have been answered many, many times.

As I said earlier, if you really wanted to hear what they had to say, you wouldn't have cut them off at every opportunity. At least a few times, you forgot to put the mic back to their mouths. You might want to brush up on your interview skills before you go back out asking for this narrative.

It's a bit like walking out on the street and asking, "Can you describe D-Day from beginning to end? Go."

pomeroo · 3rd October 2008, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by RedIbis

As I said earlier, if you really wanted to hear what they had to say, you wouldn't have cut them off at every opportunity. At least a few times, you forgot to put the mic back to their mouths. You might want to brush up on your interview skills before you go back out asking for this narrative.

It's a bit like walking out on the street and asking, "Can you describe D-Day from beginning to end? Go."

Yes, I really wanted to hear what they had to say. I learned that they, like you, had nothing to say. No conspiracy liar will ever comply with my request to provide a coherent narrative. We really do get the idea.

Quad4_72 · 3rd October 2008, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by RedIbis

As I said earlier, if you really wanted to hear what they had to say, you wouldn't have cut them off at every opportunity. At least a few times, you forgot to put the mic back to their mouths. You might want to brush up on your interview skills before you go back out asking for this narrative.

It's a bit like walking out on the street and asking, "Can you describe D-Day from beginning to end? Go."

If you don't cut a twoofer off, they will ramble for like 20 minutes moving goal post after goal post. You have to keep them focused on one point and then you can REALLY see how NUTS they are. Much like yourself ibis.

TexasJack · 3rd October 2008, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by RedIbis

As I said earlier, if you really wanted to hear what they had to say, you wouldn't have cut them off at every opportunity. At least a few times, you forgot to put the mic back to their mouths. You might want to brush up on your interview skills before you go back out asking for this narrative.

It's a bit like walking out on the street and asking, "Can you describe D-Day from beginning to end? Go."

What, give them more time to say some more really dumb stuff? I think Ron was being charitable and did an excellent job.

Homeland Insurgency · 3rd October 2008, 05:11 PM

Gage was handled very very roughly?

You mean you sent someone to work him over after he owned Gravy?

You evil doers!

Homeland Insurgency · 3rd October 2008, 05:16 PM

What was the point with the story about Ron blowing his foot off?

pomeroo · 3rd October 2008, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by Homeland Insurgency

Gage was handled very very roughly?

You mean you sent someone to work him over after he owned Gravy?

You evil doers!

Wow! The hapless charlatan Gage "owned" Gravy??? Good grief--what a blow to reason and sanity!

I'm just funnin' ya. I actually watched the debate, as did most of the people who post here. You should take a look at it for yourself. Gage got really, really crushed. The cardboard boxes were, I admit, hilarious.

3rd October 2008, 05:11 AM	#1
pomeroo Banned Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: In a Little Cafe Just the Other Side of the Border Posts: 7,091	Hardfire Visits Ground Zero Here's the first show. I haven't watched it yet, so I don't know what's in it. The producer warned me that the video quality was not good, but let me hear from you: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...re+seven+years
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3rd October 2008, 06:54 AM	#2
Hyperviolet Damnum Fatale Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Glaschu Posts: 988	"Gage was in a debate against a debunker named Mark Roberts. Gage was handled very, very roughly. And, quite frankly, the man has never designed anything bigger than a gymnasium." LMAO. Blunt. ETA: 14 minutes. Afghan pipeline. Hilarious.
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3rd October 2008, 07:04 AM	#3
MikeW Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,911	Yes, I liked the shock when the guy said "there's no pipeline in Afghanistan?"
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3rd October 2008, 07:08 AM	#4
Totovader Game Warden Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 2,240	What's interesting about these guys- and it's been a very similar experience for me talking to Twoofers- but they are completely lost without their Internet. At the same time you can correct them on the the facts and it means absolutely nothing to them. It's not easy being bombarded like that- especially from a bunch of angry Twoofers- most of whom think you're a government agent who is trying to cover up the murder of 3000 innocent civilians by your co-workers...
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3rd October 2008, 07:09 AM	#5
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3rd October 2008, 07:15 AM	#6
MikeW Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,911	The guy who couldn't think of any questions beyond WTC7 (but might manage it if he "had more time") was well worth repeating, too. Like Totovader said, it's not easy coping when you're in the middle of a crowd like that - good job.
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3rd October 2008, 07:42 AM	#7
Hyperviolet Damnum Fatale Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Glaschu Posts: 988	Did anyone else find that "Media Expert" to be rather obnoxious? The irony is, of course, that he is completely and utterly misinformed. Sigh.
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3rd October 2008, 08:02 AM	#8
RedIbis Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 6,829	If Ron was genuinely interested in hearing what these people had to say he wouldn't keep cutting them off each time they try to answer his ridiculous request for a narrative. As if anyone is going to provide a complete timeline of events for the most complex day in American history in a few short minutes.
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3rd October 2008, 08:11 AM	#9
Totovader Game Warden Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 2,240	Originally Posted by RedIbis If Ron was genuinely interested in hearing what these people had to say he wouldn't keep cutting them off each time they try to answer his ridiculous request for a narrative. As if anyone is going to provide a complete timeline of events for the most complex day in American history in a few short minutes. Take all the time you need. Post a timeline here.
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3rd October 2008, 08:37 AM	#10
A W Smith Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Central Jersey Posts: 7,031	but Pomeroo, Truthers have been shooting themselves in the foot in their apartments and basements for seven years now. The heat treating screwdrivers guy was someone special. 'heat all the steel in the building for it to fail?" that takes a special kind of ignorance.
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3rd October 2008, 08:41 AM	#11
scissorhands Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,537	Is that Gary Tallis at around six minutes in? He was looking very shifty, eyes everywhere. Looking for girls in wheelchairs maybe?

3rd October 2008, 08:52 AM	#12
Lennart Hyland Critical Thinker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 349	Originally Posted by A W Smith The heat treating screwdrivers guy was someone special. 'heat all the steel in the building for it to fail?" that takes a special kind of ignorance. haha yeah I was just going to say that! Great work Ronald!
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3rd October 2008, 09:09 AM	#13
Bobert Government Loyalist Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Kennesaw GA Posts: 4,146	Ron, I believe one day Brad Pitt will play you in the movie made about your undercover time as a government operative sent to destroy the truth movement. Keep up the good work!
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3rd October 2008, 09:21 AM	#14
scissorhands Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,537	Just finished watching. That was excellent Ron, a most enjoyable half hour. BTW the video quality improves after the first few minutes.
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3rd October 2008, 09:57 AM	#15
Crazytimes Critical Thinker Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 348	This is awesome. "What is your scientific evidence" "Uhh....there was a guy who worked security at LAX" Don't they realize how moronic they are ?

3rd October 2008, 10:20 AM	#16
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3rd October 2008, 10:20 AM	#17
R.Mackey Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: The armpit of L.A. Posts: 7,857	A car that runs on water? Pedophiles? What are they talking about..? I always come away feeling sorry for these guys. They just don't understand. That's why there's such a quality difference between those asking legitimate questions -- those actually trying to learn things -- and the run-of-the-mill Truth Movement.
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3rd October 2008, 11:01 AM	#18
Blender Head Muse Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 682	Originally Posted by R.Mackey A car that runs on water? Pedophiles? What are they talking about..? I just watched that part, and got to this post, and I must say I'm incredibly confused.
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3rd October 2008, 11:24 AM	#19
T.A.M. Keeper of the Kool-Vax Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Far East...of Canada Posts: 20,816	about two minutes in, the guy with the bushy hair says, about WTC 7, "It fell straight down, like this" or something close. My question (and I wish Ron had of asked it), is "please demonstrate for me, based on other building collapses you have seen, how the buildings should have collapsed if through unintentional means?" See they all whine and bitch about how it fell straight down, etc...yet not one of them has ever said, "well if it collapsed as a result of fires alone, then it should have fallen like X, instead of like Y". TAM

3rd October 2008, 11:28 AM	#20
T.A.M. Keeper of the Kool-Vax Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Far East...of Canada Posts: 20,816	I am sorry, I am 5 minutes in, and I can't stand to watch any more stupidity. Ron, were they all that uniformed? They were worse than Sarah Palin in the Couric interview. TAM

3rd October 2008, 12:34 PM	#21
Mr.Herbert Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 1,357	I loved the expression on the stoner dude when Ron told him there was no pipeline. The poor guy looked like a booble head doll looking for suppport.

3rd October 2008, 01:17 PM	#22
beachnut Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Dog House Posts: 19,901	Energy had to be added! I have a screw driver. I want a new investigation. "Did you read the NIST report?" No but I have a screwdriver. All steel had to be heated up! Did I tell you about my screwdriver? Truthers did good talking, I would screw that part all up! I like the water car. Using fuel cell for electricity we have been using in space since the 60s is an old, old, very old story, invented in 1839! The guy worked for the news services and he is not capable of research! Classic 9/11 truth. Junk ideas, who needs facts!

3rd October 2008, 03:04 PM	#23
nicepants Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,720	Wow...I'm only to the first truther and it's Gold already! Surprised to see so many (more than 2) truthers in attendance. Not surprised that they all seemed to be 12-20something young men repeating the same debunked claims over and over.
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3rd October 2008, 03:29 PM	#24
pomeroo Banned Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: In a Little Cafe Just the Other Side of the Border Posts: 7,091	Originally Posted by RedIbis If Ron was genuinely interested in hearing what these people had to say he wouldn't keep cutting them off each time they try to answer his ridiculous request for a narrative. As if anyone is going to provide a complete timeline of events for the most complex day in American history in a few short minutes. Some of us noticed that they do not "try" to offer a narrative. I know that I have noticed that you tend to apply the adjective "ridiculous" to questions that expose your evil movement for the fraud that it is. Fantasists have made preposterous and pernicious charges for over six years, yet they can't begin to connect them in a coherent narrative. I'm genuinely interested in hearing you attempt to provide a narrative for the events of 9/11/01. Oh, that's right--you can't. You have no narrative--remember? You're still "asking questions"--questions that have been answered many, many times.

3rd October 2008, 03:32 PM	#25
Bobert Government Loyalist Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Kennesaw GA Posts: 4,146	Originally Posted by RedIbis If Ron was genuinely interested in hearing what these people had to say he wouldn't keep cutting them off each time they try to answer his ridiculous request for a narrative. As if anyone is going to provide a complete timeline of events for the most complex day in American history in a few short minutes. Well come on that first dude looked like Robert Downey Jr AND he looked baffled as to the meaning of "narrative". It looked like he had to search his brain around the synapses that hadn't been damaged by all that weed. I AM IRONMAN! "I plan to since you told me about it" ROFL!!!
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3rd October 2008, 03:38 PM	#26
pomeroo Banned Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: In a Little Cafe Just the Other Side of the Border Posts: 7,091	Originally Posted by Mr.Herbert I loved the expression on the stoner dude when Ron told him there was no pipeline. The poor guy looked like a booble head doll looking for suppport. He was my personal favorite. Someone has just told him that one of his cherished myths is simply not true. It never occurred to him that it might not be true. He clings to it the way some people refuse to throw out a dirty, battered old recliner that smells bad. The people who scream about a war for oil are the same. They've been completely exposed: gas prices topped four bucks a gallon and nobody's stealing any Iraqi oil, but they can't let go. Their entire worldview is built on this myth.

3rd October 2008, 03:43 PM	#27
nicepants Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,720	Just finished watching the video. Great work, Ron! (and crew) Are we going to see a part 2? Outtakes? While I'm usually not interested in giving the truth movement media attention, I feel that anymore it does more harm to their "movement" than good, as people will quite easily see that most truthers are lacking in common sense and overflowing in ignorance.
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3rd October 2008, 03:55 PM	#28
scissorhands Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,537	Rons use of the "giving them enough rope" technique worked very well. He exposed their insanity, by being both humorous and coolly dispassionate. A great example of how to deal with idiots.

3rd October 2008, 03:57 PM	#29
pomeroo Banned Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: In a Little Cafe Just the Other Side of the Border Posts: 7,091	Originally Posted by nicepants Just finished watching the video. Great work, Ron! (and crew) Are we going to see a part 2? Outtakes? While I'm usually not interested in giving the truth movement media attention, I feel that anymore it does more harm to their "movement" than good, as people will quite easily see that most truthers are lacking in common sense and overflowing in ignorance. The crew consisted of Gary Popkin. You will see part 2 as soon as Gary finishes editing it (a outtakes show might be pretty funny). We're trying to show twoofers in action. Some of these people ranted about George Bush without ever getting around to mentioning 9/11. I don't think they merit inclusion.

3rd October 2008, 03:59 PM	#30
pomeroo Banned Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: In a Little Cafe Just the Other Side of the Border Posts: 7,091	Originally Posted by scissorhands Rons use of the "giving them enough rope" technique worked very well. He exposed their insanity, by being both humorous and coolly dispassionate. A great example of how to deal with idiots. Many thanks! Yes, the idea was to draw them out and let them talk.

3rd October 2008, 04:08 PM	#31
ktesibios Worthless Aging Hippie Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,493	I particularly enjoyed the bald guy who kept going on about how the neo-cons staged the attacks to send a message to the rest of the world. Apparently the best way to impress the international community with how tough you are is to cut off your own (insert name of particularly sensitive body part here). That even one-ups Monty Python's Black Knight.
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3rd October 2008, 04:23 PM	#32
TexasJack Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 10,881	Originally Posted by MikeW Yes, I liked the shock when the guy said "there's no pipeline in Afghanistan?" His expression and answer reminded me of "Spinal Tap" when the guitarist thought he had the ingenious amp that went to 11, when informed that he can just make 10 be 11 and move the numbers down, his answer: "this one goes to 11."

3rd October 2008, 04:33 PM	#33
Quad4_72 AI-EE-YAH! Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: USA Posts: 5,830	I can't believe they were still saying "pull it". So insane.
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3rd October 2008, 04:39 PM	#34
RedIbis Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 6,829	Originally Posted by pomeroo Some of us noticed that they do not "try" to offer a narrative. I know that I have noticed that you tend to apply the adjective "ridiculous" to questions that expose your evil movement for the fraud that it is. Fantasists have made preposterous and pernicious charges for over six years, yet they can't begin to connect them in a coherent narrative. I'm genuinely interested in hearing you attempt to provide a narrative for the events of 9/11/01. Oh, that's right--you can't. You have no narrative--remember? You're still "asking questions"--questions that have been answered many, many times. As I said earlier, if you really wanted to hear what they had to say, you wouldn't have cut them off at every opportunity. At least a few times, you forgot to put the mic back to their mouths. You might want to brush up on your interview skills before you go back out asking for this narrative. It's a bit like walking out on the street and asking, "Can you describe D-Day from beginning to end? Go."
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3rd October 2008, 04:45 PM	#35
pomeroo Banned Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: In a Little Cafe Just the Other Side of the Border Posts: 7,091	Originally Posted by RedIbis As I said earlier, if you really wanted to hear what they had to say, you wouldn't have cut them off at every opportunity. At least a few times, you forgot to put the mic back to their mouths. You might want to brush up on your interview skills before you go back out asking for this narrative. It's a bit like walking out on the street and asking, "Can you describe D-Day from beginning to end? Go." Yes, I really wanted to hear what they had to say. I learned that they, like you, had nothing to say. No conspiracy liar will ever comply with my request to provide a coherent narrative. We really do get the idea.