Victims mother upset about psychics comments.

bonavada · 8th October 2008, 04:50 AM

A local case involving the murder of a young man at a barbeque. His female partner was cleared of his killing. A local psychic, Austin Charles (Welsh Male Medium of the Year) has poked his nose in claiming he made a prediction (before the murder) that the accused would be in court "for something she hadn't done"

Full Article HERE

Quote:

Mr Davies's mother Julie Chapman said: "I don't approve of someone promoting themselves like this.
"It is not nice from the family's point of view to hear comments like this.
"There is a police investigation ongoing and I think he should leave things for the police to decide."
She added: "I am not very happy about it."

I tend to agree.

BV

sophia8 · 8th October 2008, 05:20 AM

From the article:

Quote:

Kelly Davies confirmed she saw Mr Charles at the legion in Neath two days before the incident happened.

She said: "He said I'd be accused of something that I had not done but it would all be fine in the end. He is telling the truth, he's genuine and of course, what he said became relevant in the end."

So where's the bit about her being arrested for murder? For that matter, why didn't he warn her "Keep your husband away from barbeques and sharp knives for a few days eh?"

bonavada · 8th October 2008, 07:05 AM

Originally Posted by sophia8

So where's the bit about her being arrested for murder? For that matter, why didn't he warn her "Keep your husband away from barbeques and sharp knives for a few days eh?"

EXACTLY.

The general consensus after the case was that the accused was lucky to be acquitted. It was seen as akin to the O J Simpson verdict.
Double jeopardy isn't valid in British law any more. The mothers words with this in mind have a ringing quality.
That there is an ongoing police investigation into the case should prompt Charles to keep his gob shut.

BV

Moochie · 8th October 2008, 10:18 AM

I find the actions of the wife highly suspicious. She claims the alleged psychic told her this information two days before the murder, which occurred over two years ago. I think either she's confused about the time or she's a believer who's shilling for Charles. I'd like to know what relationship existed between these people prior to and after the murder. In any case, something smells awfully fishy here.

M.

EeneyMinnieMoe · 18th October 2008, 10:29 PM

You know, alot of people point out the damage that can be done when a psychic points the finger at a person who may be completely innocent...but if a person is guilty of a crime, the last thing that should be done is have a psychic accuse them of it.

It completely undermines and undercuts the real evidence of their guilt and needlessly sidetracks the investigation and the trial.

There was a notorious case years ago of a jury in Scotland obtaining an Ouija board and "contacting" the spirit of the victim to determine if her husband (or was he her boyfriend?) had really killed her. There was forensic and circumstancial evidence pointing to his guilt but it apparently wasn't enough for them.

When it came to light, the verdict was, of course, thrown out and a mistrial was declared. And the man was later found guilty in the second trial.

No one was more upset by this than the victim's family, who were furious at being needlessly put through the pain of another trial and the jury granting him another shot at freedom after botching an obvious guilty verdict.

Brattus · 19th October 2008, 11:03 PM

Originally Posted by EeneyMinnieMoe

You know, alot of people point out the damage that can be done when a psychic points the finger at a person who may be completely innocent...but if a person is guilty of a crime, the last thing that should be done is have a psychic accuse them of it.

It completely undermines and undercuts the real evidence of their guilt and needlessly sidetracks the investigation and the trial.

There was a notorious case years ago of a jury in Scotland obtaining an Ouija board and "contacting" the spirit of the victim to determine if her husband (or was he her boyfriend?) had really killed her. There was forensic and circumstancial evidence pointing to his guilt but it apparently wasn't enough for them.

When it came to light, the verdict was, of course, thrown out and a mistrial was declared. And the man was later found guilty in the second trial.

No one was more upset by this than the victim's family, who were furious at being needlessly put through the pain of another trial and the jury granting him another shot at freedom after botching an obvious guilty verdict.

I find it hard to believe that the police would take something as silly as what some psychic had to say about an active murder case seriously in this day and age.

EeneyMinnieMoe · 20th October 2008, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by Brattus

I find it hard to believe that the police would take something as silly as what some psychic had to say about an active murder case seriously in this day and age.

But they do. And even if the police don't take it very seriously, they might investigate it "just to be sure" or because the family pressures them to do so.

And the search volunteers, community and family very often do listen to psychics, which can lead to a terrible tragedy.

Here's one case where the police sadly did:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine_Jessop

A bystander saw a girl struggling and screaming in a car shortly after Christine went missing but it went uninvestigated for weeks by police, while numerous false leads from a psychic were followed up on.

And then a neighbor of the victim was railroaded for her murder because of police and prosecutorial misconduct and bogus forensic evidence- forensic fraud- and locked up for years before being acquitted thanks to DNA testing.

A tragedy all around. And the real killer has never been found. Not to this day.

8th October 2008, 04:50 AM	#1
bonavada Guest Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,079	Victims mother upset about psychics comments. A local case involving the murder of a young man at a barbeque. His female partner was cleared of his killing. A local psychic, Austin Charles (Welsh Male Medium of the Year) has poked his nose in claiming he made a prediction (before the murder) that the accused would be in court "for something she hadn't done" Full Article HERE Quote: Mr Davies's mother Julie Chapman said: "I don't approve of someone promoting themselves like this. "It is not nice from the family's point of view to hear comments like this. "There is a police investigation ongoing and I think he should leave things for the police to decide." She added: "I am not very happy about it." I tend to agree. BV
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8th October 2008, 05:20 AM	#2
sophia8 Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In the dark, dark forest.... Posts: 2,251	From the article: Quote: Kelly Davies confirmed she saw Mr Charles at the legion in Neath two days before the incident happened. She said: "He said I'd be accused of something that I had not done but it would all be fine in the end. He is telling the truth, he's genuine and of course, what he said became relevant in the end." So where's the bit about her being arrested for murder? For that matter, why didn't he warn her "Keep your husband away from barbeques and sharp knives for a few days eh?"
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8th October 2008, 07:05 AM	#3
bonavada Guest Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,079	Originally Posted by sophia8 So where's the bit about her being arrested for murder? For that matter, why didn't he warn her "Keep your husband away from barbeques and sharp knives for a few days eh?" EXACTLY. The general consensus after the case was that the accused was lucky to be acquitted. It was seen as akin to the O J Simpson verdict. Double jeopardy isn't valid in British law any more. The mothers words with this in mind have a ringing quality. That there is an ongoing police investigation into the case should prompt Charles to keep his gob shut. BV
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8th October 2008, 10:18 AM	#4
Moochie Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 5,495	I find the actions of the wife highly suspicious. She claims the alleged psychic told her this information two days before the murder, which occurred over two years ago. I think either she's confused about the time or she's a believer who's shilling for Charles. I'd like to know what relationship existed between these people prior to and after the murder. In any case, something smells awfully fishy here. M.
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19th October 2008, 11:03 PM	#6
Brattus Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2007 Location: The bowels of death and despair Posts: 1,223	Originally Posted by EeneyMinnieMoe You know, alot of people point out the damage that can be done when a psychic points the finger at a person who may be completely innocent...but if a person is guilty of a crime, the last thing that should be done is have a psychic accuse them of it. It completely undermines and undercuts the real evidence of their guilt and needlessly sidetracks the investigation and the trial. There was a notorious case years ago of a jury in Scotland obtaining an Ouija board and "contacting" the spirit of the victim to determine if her husband (or was he her boyfriend?) had really killed her. There was forensic and circumstancial evidence pointing to his guilt but it apparently wasn't enough for them. When it came to light, the verdict was, of course, thrown out and a mistrial was declared. And the man was later found guilty in the second trial. No one was more upset by this than the victim's family, who were furious at being needlessly put through the pain of another trial and the jury granting him another shot at freedom after botching an obvious guilty verdict. I find it hard to believe that the police would take something as silly as what some psychic had to say about an active murder case seriously in this day and age.
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18th October 2008, 10:29 PM	#5
EeneyMinnieMoe Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 6,660	You know, alot of people point out the damage that can be done when a psychic points the finger at a person who may be completely innocent...but if a person is guilty of a crime, the last thing that should be done is have a psychic accuse them of it. It completely undermines and undercuts the real evidence of their guilt and needlessly sidetracks the investigation and the trial. There was a notorious case years ago of a jury in Scotland obtaining an Ouija board and "contacting" the spirit of the victim to determine if her husband (or was he her boyfriend?) had really killed her. There was forensic and circumstancial evidence pointing to his guilt but it apparently wasn't enough for them. When it came to light, the verdict was, of course, thrown out and a mistrial was declared. And the man was later found guilty in the second trial. No one was more upset by this than the victim's family, who were furious at being needlessly put through the pain of another trial and the jury granting him another shot at freedom after botching an obvious guilty verdict.

20th October 2008, 04:53 PM	#7
EeneyMinnieMoe Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 6,660	Originally Posted by Brattus I find it hard to believe that the police would take something as silly as what some psychic had to say about an active murder case seriously in this day and age. But they do. And even if the police don't take it very seriously, they might investigate it "just to be sure" or because the family pressures them to do so. And the search volunteers, community and family very often do listen to psychics, which can lead to a terrible tragedy. Here's one case where the police sadly did: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine_Jessop A bystander saw a girl struggling and screaming in a car shortly after Christine went missing but it went uninvestigated for weeks by police, while numerous false leads from a psychic were followed up on. And then a neighbor of the victim was railroaded for her murder because of police and prosecutorial misconduct and bogus forensic evidence- forensic fraud- and locked up for years before being acquitted thanks to DNA testing. A tragedy all around. And the real killer has never been found. Not to this day.
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