911 and massive deception by the US Government

[Bananaman]

I have a feeling GodisEnergy might be rather young, so guiding him/her in the right direction rather than squashing him/her with facts, which he/she doesn't understand anyway, is probably better.

At least I hope GodisEnergy is young. The other possibility is just sad.

Metamars on the other hand, I enjoy watching being squashed.

Bananaman (The Occasional Sadist.)

[HawksFan]

Also, it is in the charter of the US Government (you know, that thing called the Constitution) that it is the government's job to spend money on the military and national defense, yet I can't find anything anywhere in there that states it is the responsibility of the U.S. Government to spend money to feed starving children in Africa.

Note: It's not that I don't want to help starving children in Africa or any other deprived or struggling area. There are plenty of wonderful private groups that do a remarkable job at this under almost impossible circumstances and I certainly support our govt's actions during emergencies such as the tsunamis and such. I just get tired of the attitude of some people that we're meddling and "trying to gain influence" if we do help and selfishly depriving them if we don't help.

[TexasJack]

Originally Posted by HawksFan

Also, it is in the charter of the US Government (you know, that thing called the Constitution) that it is the government's job to spend money on the military and national defense, yet I can't find anything anywhere in there that states it is the responsibility of the U.S. Government to spend money to feed starving children in Africa.

Note: It's not that I don't want to help starving children in Africa or any other deprived or struggling area. There are plenty of wonderful private groups that do a remarkable job at this under almost impossible circumstances and I certainly support our govt's actions during emergencies such as the tsunamis and such. I just get tired of the attitude of some people that we're meddling and "trying to gain influence" if we do help and selfishly depriving them if we don't help.

I'll think you'll also find that the US is more than generous when it comes to helping deprived countries.

[HawksFan]

Oh yes, agreed.

[twinstead]

Depraved countries or deprived countries?

[TexasJack]

Originally Posted by twinstead

Depraved countries or deprived countries?

Oops, deprived. Fixed it.

[twinstead]

Originally Posted by TexasJack

Oops, deprived. Fixed it.

[HawksFan]

Heh, little of both, really.

[twinstead]

Yea, I guess a country can be both depraved AND deprived

[PhantomWolf]

Originally Posted by GodisEnergy

no i reasoned there was a large scale conspiracy ,because of the fact that the ammount usa spends on military compared to feeding starving children in africa and elsewere .

This is a complete non sequitur. What the US spends on its military compared to its overseas AID budget has nothing to do with any possible conspiracies. However if you want to look at what the US spends its money on, 21.6% of the 2008 budget was alloted to Defence and War on Terror compated to 52.7% which was spent in Social Security, MedicAid, MediCare, Unemployment, and other welfare benefits. Seems to me that the US is far more interested in looking after its people than blowing things up.

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also that the us can engage in wars like vietnam and iraq whilst being very smart about things like using taliban in afghanistan to bankrupt the ussr.

This shows a total lack of understanding of history. The CIA run Afghan war was the brain child of two people, and was basically run by a very small group who managed to side step the normal breuocracy who spent most of their time trying to get in the way. Try getting hold of a copy of Charlie Wilson's War, it might help inform you about the differences between Veitnam, Iraq and the Afghanistan/Soviet wars. (The movie is okay but it is no where as detailed as the book and often changes what really happened to make it more presentable.)

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The suppresion of free energy must be run by some evil peeps

This literally is somewhere out in left field. The Laws of Physics make it quite clear that thereis no such thing as free energy, so there really is no need to hide it.

[Travis]

Originally Posted by twinstead

Yea, I guess a country can be both depraved AND deprived

Well the police think I'm depraved and, if my accountant did his job, the IRS thinks I'm deprived.

Originally Posted by PhantomWolf

This literally is somewhere out in left field. The Laws of Physics make it quite clear that thereis no such thing as free energy, so there really is no need to hide it.

I'm guessing that the posters name gives some clue as to where the free energy supposedly comes from.

I do wonder if we'll start seeing arguments that anti-gravity cars prove the CIA killed JFK!

[twinstead]

A$$, Grass, or Cash...nobody gets energy for free.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Originally Posted by GodisEnergy

The suppresion of free energy must be run by some evil peeps

I want to ask if you mean solar power or perpetual motion, but I think I know the answer already...

* Cl1mh4224rd weeps.

[MIKILLINI]

Originally Posted by metamars

<snip>
A good overview of what I think of as "the mother of all conspiracies" - the CAFR's - is here.

This means the truth movement is still speculating.

[MIKILLINI]

Originally Posted by GodisEnergy

the whole worlds in on it due to their ignorance im constantly amazed how people go along with the political system the banking system and coverups in the govt, without being 'in on it' so to say but will willingly coverup stuff without even supsicion of the official stories etc etc

What are you going on about here? None of this computes.

[MIKILLINI]

Originally Posted by psikeyhackr

Yep, the laws of physics are in on it too.

How do you design and build two 1300 foot skyscrapers without determining and documenting how much steel and concrete to put where?

Then the NIST writes a 10,000 page report without specifying the quantity of concrete. LOL

Allah suspended the conservation of momentum that day.

psik

You doing this bit again? How many times are going to argue about the concrete?

[MIKILLINI]

Originally Posted by GodisEnergy

Yes apparently its called operation mockingbird.Also the Media in canada is controlled by corporations which are owned by small numbers of people rich people with ties to rich american people like bush...these candaian just so happen to be jews
heres a good argument about the media
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgVL6eTghIk


""And it should be noted that Watergate was a conspiracy involving maybe 20 people and small-scale illegal activities that no one witnessed, and it still couldn't remain a secret. ""
Nixon compared to Bush is like comparing a statesman to a president.Nixons a low time crook.Bushs criminal friends can coverup lots of stuff alot worse than 911.
There are many cases of things being crimes being kept secret by cia.Operation Gladio is a good example of this...

The difference lies between black ops and white ops.The CIA for example is 99percent White ops theres thousands of employess.The Black operations which people in the CIA dont even know about or where the money is going .Are the people you need to watch out for ,they as people with passports etc 'dont exist' and if caught by iran for example couldnt be blamed as a us govt official.If they come forth saying they were part of 911 whose going to beleive them it could be any bum off the street.

Where did you get such "explosive" info? You seem to know so much about the CIA. With your considerable knowledge, perhaps you can provide real compelling evidence that would blow our mind.

[MIKILLINI]

Originally Posted by GodisEnergy

Firstly, let's take a look at how the 9/11 Commission Report responded to the issue of insider trading on 9/11 (chapter 5, note 130):


So, according to the 9/11 Commission, "Yet, further investigation has revealed that the trading had no connection with 9/11."

<Snip>

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/7...7rj5lw1.th.jpghttp://img184.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif

Wow! Very extensive report. Except I didn't read any of it because none of this is new or revealing.

[MIKILLINI]

Originally Posted by GodisEnergy

Yes its sounds like you beleiving the official story ,well that has no evidence for it whatsoever.

No matter how many times you repeat something, it isn't going to change the reality.
The reality is this: You have no evidence that contradicts the available evidence which supports the official story.

[MIKILLINI]

Originally Posted by Max Photon

While we're waiting for something intelligent to happen, perhaps R.Mackey could explain how the housing bubble was mathematically possible.

Perhaps you would like to explain it again in a different thread Max?

[Max Photon]

No, this thread's perfect.

R.Mackey put forth that a 9/11 deception was mathematically impossible.

I'm just curious how the housing bubble - which was pure deception - was mathematically possible.

What's different?

[Corsair 115]

I'm wondering if GodisEnergy is going to explain how the CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation), which is publically owned and predominantly funded by the federal government, is part of this supposed global media conspiracy. Especially since, at the time of 9/11 up until the federal election of 2006, it was a Liberal government in charge, one which decided not to participate in U.S.-led invasion of Iraq.

[MIKILLINI]

Originally Posted by Corsair 115

I'm wondering if GodisEnergy is going to explain how the CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation), which is publically owned and predominantly funded by the federal government, is part of this supposed global media conspiracy. Especially since, at the time of 9/11 up until the federal election of 2006, it was a Liberal government in charge, one which decided not to participate in U.S.-led invasion of Iraq.

Details like these are not important to truthers.
"It's media..and they're involved with the conspiracy...why? Well, because they're the media".[Truther rant]

[MIKILLINI]

Originally Posted by Max Photon

No, this thread's fine.

R.Mackey put forth that a 9/11 deception was mathematically impossible.

I'm just curious how the housing bubble - which was pure deception - was mathematically possible.

Perhaps we could learn from the difference.

Mathematically speaking, what causes you to have problems with the housing bubble that you can't decipher?

[GodisEnergy]

yea well it was a joke i dont beleive that the cole was an inside job.And yes i think its good to affront those who lace up boots for their country as im a pacifist.Who doesnt beleive in war no matter what
I take offense to my people who have been murdered by yours !

[Mince]

Originally Posted by GodisEnergy

And yes i think its good to affront those who lace up boots for their country as im a pacifist.Who doesnt beleive in war no matter what

So, if someone was trying to kill you, you wouldn't defend yourself?

[Sparky]

Originally Posted by GodisEnergy

yea well it was a joke i dont beleive that the cole was an inside job.And yes i think its good to affront those who lace up boots for their country as im a pacifist.Who doesnt beleive in war no matter what
I take offense to my people who have been murdered by yours !

I assume then that you are one of that select group of citizens that, if given the choice, would rather live on your knees as a slave instead of dying on your feet fighting for your liberty.

I bet our founding fathers would be proud of you. /snark

[Bananaman]

GodisEnergy:

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I take offense to my people who have been murdered by yours !

That might be rather enlightening if you expanded on it.

At first I thought you were about 13 years old. Now I'm intrigued. But not too intrigued, as I'm there ahead of you.

Bananaman.

[JihadJane]

Originally Posted by Corsair 115

I'm wondering if GodisEnergy is going to explain how the CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation), which is publically owned and predominantly funded by the federal government, is part of this supposed global media conspiracy. Especially since, at the time of 9/11 up until the federal election of 2006, it was a Liberal government in charge, one which decided not to participate in U.S.-led invasion of Iraq.

Good media employees are, like the rest of us, trained from birth. Their political progress is checked when they are interviewed for the job. Those whose minds stray from the accepted norm don't get the job.

[Bananaman]

Jihad:

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Good media employees are, like the rest of us, trained from birth. Their political progress is checked when they are interviewed for the job. Those whose minds stray from the accepted norm don't get the job.

You're joking, yes?

This is satire. I have a hangover so you may need to help me here, but that is a joke, right?

Bananaman.

[JihadJane]

Originally Posted by Bananaman

Jihad:


You're joking, yes?

This is satire. I have a hangover so you may need to help me here, but that is a joke, right?

Bananaman.

I do not wish to support your excessive drug use in any way but, yes (no?) it wasn't a joke though it did make me laugh writing it, in anticipation of your expected bewilderment.

Have you not heard of social conditioning?

Are you really 39?

[twinstead]

I would imagine that social conditioning is the reason there are never any whistle blowers who come forward to claim injustices or any conspiracies ever brought out into the light.

Oh. Wait. Never mind.

[Bananaman]

Jihad:

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Are you really 39?

It grieves me to relate that I am. Blimey, did I really admit that in an earlier post?

Seriously though, you are talking total claptrap about the media and social conditioning. The point you make is completely misplaced in relation to 9/11. A media outlet backing one party or candidate over another in an election, yes. The truth about 9/11, no.

It's that distinction that should be clear to you, but I'm certainly not clever enough to make it clear to you. Perhaps someone cleverer than me can.

Bananaman

[JihadJane]

Originally Posted by twinstead

I would imagine that social conditioning is the reason there are never any whistle blowers who come forward to claim injustices or any conspiracies ever brought out into the light.

Oh. Wait. Never mind.

Never mind.

[pomeroo]

Originally Posted by JihadJane

Good media employees are, like the rest of us, trained from birth. Their political progress is checked when they are interviewed for the job. Those whose minds stray from the accepted norm don't get the job.

What you wrote in this post was once completely true. Since the advent of Fox News, it is only mostly true. Yes, conservatives will not find jobs in the mainstream media. But what the lockstep-left, Bush-despising media has to do with your imaginary conspiracy is anybody's guess. But you already knew that.

[Confuseling]

Oh pom, you are a one aren't you!

Returns to scheduled afternoon programming / indoctrination on the Bolshevik Broadcasting Corporation...

[metamars]

That goes for both sides. Unfortunately, I don't have much time for posting about, much less researching, what makes the media the way it is. Please search on my previous posts on this subject, if interested.

Besides references to Chomsky and Barrie Zwicker that I'd previously made, I can also suggest Inventing Reality, the Politics of News Media, by Michael Parenti. I'm literally on p. 3 (also not impressive, I know), but I can see that he's at least asking the right questions. You might also check out the comments to David Sirota's recent blog post Discussing Media Bias and Media Elitism. The open-lefties normally show little interest in deep politics of the Peter Dale Scott variety, but they tend to be smart, so if they tell you that a discussion of media bias was, well, biased, it's worth taking note of.

Also, can anybody suggest a forum where serious, knowledgeable individuals can discuss, debate, and investigate media bias, where the participants observe civility but cover a large swathe of opinions? By knowledgeable, I mean there should at least be a smattering of college professors who study this issue. Greg Urich started the911forum.freeforums.org , since the level of discourse here was so nasty, and since the Scholar's for 911 truth forum is closed off, and suffers from questionable moderation (including relegating serious questions to a 'Debunker's Forum'). Don't know if there's anything like that for media bias, though I bet a survey of freepress.net participants will yield that information.

[twinstead]

Media bias and people keeping their mouths shut about evidence that suggests 911 was an inside job are two completely different things. IMO all the media bias in the world wouldn't prevent a 911 operator from spilling the beans that he or she received a call from a lot of people reporting a plane 'almost' hit the Pentagon, for example.

[1337m4n]

Originally Posted by Max Photon

No, this thread's perfect.

R.Mackey put forth that a 9/11 deception was mathematically impossible.

I'm just curious how the housing bubble - which was pure deception - was mathematically possible.

What's different?

"Deception", how? What do you mean by "deception"? How are you defining "deception"?

As I have tried to tell you, this "proof by proxy" method you are using is stupid. Why don't you just prove that there was a "9/11 deception"? Why are you trying to prove that there was an economic deception, only for you to have to link it back to 9/11 somehow, at which point you'd still have to prove a 9/11 deception anyway?

Get rid of the stupid middleman. If there was a 9/11 deception, prove it. We've been waiting. If you think you can prove economic deception then what makes you think you can't prove a 9/11 deception?

"What's different", indeed.

[Mince]

Truthers fear the closure of this sub-forum. Without this outlet, mostly they are relegated to mass circle jerks on the PrisonPlanet forum. Ironic, then, are inane posts like #141 which hasten that outcome.