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Ron_Tomkins · 13th October 2008, 01:43 PM

www.joyofsatan.com

These arguments sounds just as convincing as Christian arguments:

"In order to really know Satan, one must go to him personally, without prejudice or expectations. One will find he does not conform to this or that denomination’s conceptions of “evil” which have been foolishly and thoughtlessly heaped upon him for centuries."

"Our objectives are to enlighten people to the truth and expose all of the lies these recent so-called "religions" have created regarding Satan, Satanism, and Satanists."

And so on.

Tanstaafl · 13th October 2008, 01:56 PM

Well, according to the bible he's at least not a homicidal maniac like that other character that somehow manages to get all the positive press.

Ron_Tomkins · 13th October 2008, 01:59 PM

According to Joyofsatan, what you said counts as one of the many false accusations against .....

...... SATAN!!

KingMerv00 · 13th October 2008, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Can't really deny that Satan sounds convincing

Familiar yes, convincing no.

I Ratant · 13th October 2008, 02:10 PM

Just more noises from some nut's head.

Nogbad · 13th October 2008, 02:24 PM

Feck! the black and red is hard on the eyes.

I loved the "Teens for Satan" bit -

Mental!

Ron_Tomkins · 13th October 2008, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by KingMerv00

Familiar yes, convincing no.

Correction: Can't really deny that Satan sounds just as convincing as any other God if we're relying our arguments on "It must be true because it says so in here".

Beerina · 15th October 2008, 06:33 AM

Originally Posted by Tanstaafl

Well, according to the bible he's at least not a homicidal maniac like that other character that somehow manages to get all the positive press.

Can any Christians describe what Satan's done that's worse than heaving almost everybody who ever lived into Hell for all eternity?

It's not even possible to be worse than that, save heaving everybody who ever lived into Hell for all eternity.

Psi Baba · 15th October 2008, 12:12 PM

I have to admit I've become a much bigger fan of Satan as of late . . .

since he signed with the Pittsburgh Penguins.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nhl/player?statsId=666

Mashuna · 15th October 2008, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by Beerina

Can any Christians describe what Satan's done that's worse than heaving almost everybody who ever lived into Hell for all eternity?

It's not even possible to be worse than that, save heaving everybody who ever lived into Hell for all eternity.

Well, I guess he could have made Hell a much nicer place to live in. Like a rival tourist spot to Heaven.

Marquis de Carabas · 15th October 2008, 12:48 PM

A friend of mine's father once referred me to that site, saying how it had changed his life. I made my friend promise never to leave me alone with his father again.

There was one amusing bit of the conversation leading up to his endorsement, though. After asking me what kind of stuff I read, he started telling me his reading list...

He: I read a lot of history. Civil War, WWII, stuff like that.
Me: Yeah. [predictable]
He: ...and Tom Clancy books...
Me: Yeah. [saw that coming]
He: ...and John Grisham...
Me: Yeah. [typical]
He: ...grimoires...
Me: Yeah. [wait...what?] Wait...what?

RobRoy · 15th October 2008, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by Nogbad

Feck! the black and red is hard on the eyes.

That and her rants about Jews controlling everything/conspiring against her, and her and her husband's involvements in the Nazi movement became tedious. I was semi-interested in the information until I started to read all of this.

Macoy · 15th October 2008, 01:13 PM

"And lo, Lucifer! The Bringer of Middle Class Power Requirements; now and always must we cower within Satan's shadow."

Elizabeth I · 15th October 2008, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by Beerina

Can any Christians describe what Satan's done that's worse than heaving almost everybody who ever lived into Hell for all eternity?

Yeah, he dissed the Big Guy.

arthwollipot · 15th October 2008, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by Tanstaafl

Well, according to the bible he's at least not a homicidal maniac like that other character that somehow manages to get all the positive press.

Originally Posted by Ron_Tomkins

According to Joyofsatan, what you said counts as one of the many false accusations against .....

...... SATAN!!

Wait - it's a false accusation that he's not a homicidal maniac?

Ron_Tomkins · 15th October 2008, 09:18 PM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

Wait - it's a false accusation that he's not a homicidal maniac?

Uh... sorry. I think I got confused.

That's what happens when you succumb to the high powers of....

SATAN!!!!

Morrigan · 16th October 2008, 10:16 AM

By the symbol of the creator, I swear henceforth to be
A faithful servant of his most puissant arch-angel
The Prince Lucifer
Whom the creator designated as his regent
And Lord of this world. Amen

I deny Jesus Christ, the deceiver
And I abjure the Christian faith
Holding in contempt all of it's works

As a being now possessed of a human body
In this world I swear to give my full allegiance
To it's lawful master, to worship him
Our Lord, oh Satan, and no other

In the name of Satan, the ruler of Earth
Open wide the gates of Hell and come forth from the abyss
By these names: Satan, Leviathan, Belial,
Lucifer
I will kiss the goat

I swear to give my mind, my body and soul unreservedly
To the furtherance of our Lord Satan's designs

Do what thou wilt, shall be the whole of the law

As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be
World without end. Amen.

I have seen Him there
Master of Light, Master of the night
Master of all the things that shine

Oh I believe...
I believe in all that I have seen
And I have seen the Angel Of Light
I have seen the Angel Of Light... Lucifer
I have seen Him there
Deep down where the Devils dwell
Deep down in the darkest well

I will make a second deal with the Prince Of Light
Never will break the Oath I gave that night
Shine in all your glory, shine your light on me
I have seen Him there
Deep down where the Devils dwell
Deep down in the darkest well

Morrigan · 16th October 2008, 10:17 AM

dp

paximperium · 16th October 2008, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by Marquis de Carabas

A friend of mine's father once referred me to that site, saying how it had changed his life. I made my friend promise never to leave me alone with his father again.

There was one amusing bit of the conversation leading up to his endorsement, though. After asking me what kind of stuff I read, he started telling me his reading list...

He: I read a lot of history. Civil War, WWII, stuff like that.
Me: Yeah. [predictable]
He: ...and Tom Clancy books...
Me: Yeah. [saw that coming]
He: ...and John Grisham...
Me: Yeah. [typical]
He: ...grimoires...
Me: Yeah. [wait...what?] Wait...what?

Sounds like my reading list...except for John Grisham part, I read The Secret.

billydkid · 16th October 2008, 05:30 PM

I always wondered about the stupidity of choosing the losing side in the war between good and evil. I now realize that there is another way of looking at it.

Beerina · 17th October 2008, 08:22 AM

If I were Satan, I'd be torn.

Do I torture most of the dead for ever and ever?

Or do I not do what God wants, and throw a party for them, and introduce freedom and capitalism so they can build a big, ever-improving society, just to piss God off?

The latter would be fun, but if I were the greatest of all angels, and pissed off at God's arrogance at being "perfect", when obviously He is not, I might consider torturing most of the souls simply because that exposes, via God's inaction, God's imperfection as kind and merciful.

Ron_Tomkins · 18th October 2008, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by Morrigan

By the symbol of the creator, I swear henceforth to be
A faithful servant of his most puissant arch-angel
The Prince Lucifer
Whom the creator designated as his regent
And Lord of this world. Amen

I deny Jesus Christ, the deceiver
And I abjure the Christian faith
Holding in contempt all of it's works

As a being now possessed of a human body
In this world I swear to give my full allegiance
To it's lawful master, to worship him
Our Lord, oh Satan, and no other

In the name of Satan, the ruler of Earth
Open wide the gates of Hell and come forth from the abyss
By these names: Satan, Leviathan, Belial,
Lucifer
I will kiss the goat

I swear to give my mind, my body and soul unreservedly
To the furtherance of our Lord Satan's designs

Do what thou wilt, shall be the whole of the law

As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be
World without end. Amen.

http://www.metal-archives.com/board/...s/headbang.gif

I have seen Him there
Master of Light, Master of the night
Master of all the things that shine

Oh I believe...
I believe in all that I have seen
And I have seen the Angel Of Light
I have seen the Angel Of Light... Lucifer
I have seen Him there
Deep down where the Devils dwell
Deep down in the darkest well

I will make a second deal with the Prince Of Light
Never will break the Oath I gave that night
Shine in all your glory, shine your light on me
I have seen Him there
Deep down where the Devils dwell
Deep down in the darkest well

http://www.metal-archives.com/board/...s/headbang.gif

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Ron_Tomkins · 18th October 2008, 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by billydkid

I always wondered about the stupidity of choosing the losing side in the war between good and evil. I now realize that there is another way of looking at it.

That's funny. A friend of mine said the exact same thing to this Satanist. The conversation went more or less like this:

"So come over here. I wanna talk about this Devil thing. So you're a Satanist right?"
"Yeah"
"Oh ok... so you're on the loser's side"
"... what?..."
"Yeah because as you know, in the history of the Bible, you guys lose. Therefore, you're on the loser's side"
"........"

moon1969 · 18th October 2008, 07:02 PM

I like Aleister Crowley more. Rasputin also seems to be a very interesting guy.

quarky · 18th October 2008, 07:47 PM

How did goats get involved in this?

anyway, I'm scared of this thread.

Cainkane1 · 19th October 2008, 05:48 PM

http://thumb-4.godtube.com/e1/thumb/19/34/1_183364.jpg Heres a video of satan actually talking. Yup the ol talking snake himself Satan.

Cainkane1 · 19th October 2008, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by Cainkane1

http://thumb-4.godtube.com/e1/thumb/19/34/1_183364.jpg Heres a video of satan actually talking. Yup the ol talking snake himself Satan.

Third Eye Open · 23rd October 2008, 05:03 PM

Satan sounds like the American dream. Breaking out from beneath the thumb of a tyrant to be free and live by his own rules, sounds like my kind of guy!

Beerina · 25th October 2008, 06:33 PM

Here ya go.

13th October 2008, 01:43 PM	#1
Ron_Tomkins Satan's Helper Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 32,200	Can't really deny that Satan sounds convincing www.joyofsatan.com These arguments sounds just as convincing as Christian arguments: "In order to really know Satan, one must go to him personally, without prejudice or expectations. One will find he does not conform to this or that denomination’s conceptions of “evil” which have been foolishly and thoughtlessly heaped upon him for centuries." "Our objectives are to enlighten people to the truth and expose all of the lies these recent so-called "religions" have created regarding Satan, Satanism, and Satanists." And so on.

13th October 2008, 01:56 PM	#2
Tanstaafl Unindicted Co-conspirator Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Mesa, AZ Posts: 5,622	Well, according to the bible he's at least not a homicidal maniac like that other character that somehow manages to get all the positive press.
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13th October 2008, 02:24 PM	#6
Nogbad Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Scotland Posts: 2,517	Feck! the black and red is hard on the eyes. I loved the "Teens for Satan" bit - Mental!
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15th October 2008, 06:33 AM	#8
Beerina Sarcastic Conqueror of Notions Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: A floating island above the clouds Posts: 23,835	Originally Posted by Tanstaafl Well, according to the bible he's at least not a homicidal maniac like that other character that somehow manages to get all the positive press. Can any Christians describe what Satan's done *that's worse than heaving almost everybody who ever lived into Hell for all eternity?* It's not even possible to be worse than that, save heaving everybody who ever lived into Hell for all eternity.
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15th October 2008, 12:12 PM	#9
Psi Baba Homo Skepticalis Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Occupying my barstool Posts: 3,209	I have to admit I've become a much bigger fan of Satan as of late . . . since he signed with the Pittsburgh Penguins. http://msn.foxsports.com/nhl/player?statsId=666
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13th October 2008, 01:59 PM	#3
Ron_Tomkins Satan's Helper Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 32,200	According to Joyofsatan, what you said counts as one of the many false accusations against ..... ...... SATAN!!

13th October 2008, 02:03 PM	#4
KingMerv00 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Philadelphia, PA...USA Posts: 14,482	Quote: Can't really deny that Satan sounds convincing Familiar yes, convincing no.

13th October 2008, 02:10 PM	#5
I Ratant Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 15,305	Just more noises from some nut's head.

13th October 2008, 05:48 PM	#7
Ron_Tomkins Satan's Helper Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 32,200	Originally Posted by KingMerv00 Familiar yes, convincing no. Correction: Can't really deny that Satan sounds just as convincing as any other God if we're relying our arguments on "It must be true because it says so in here".

15th October 2008, 12:18 PM	#10
Mashuna Ovis ex Machina Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Welsh Wales Posts: 6,590	Originally Posted by Beerina Can any Christians describe what Satan's done *that's worse than heaving almost everybody who ever lived into Hell for all eternity?* It's not even possible to be worse than that, save heaving everybody who ever lived into Hell for all eternity. Well, I guess he could have made Hell a much nicer place to live in. Like a rival tourist spot to Heaven.
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15th October 2008, 12:48 PM	#11
Marquis de Carabas Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: vuori Posts: 27,110	A friend of mine's father once referred me to that site, saying how it had changed his life. I made my friend promise never to leave me alone with his father again. There was one amusing bit of the conversation leading up to his endorsement, though. After asking me what kind of stuff I read, he started telling me his reading list... He: I read a lot of history. Civil War, WWII, stuff like that. Me: Yeah. [predictable] He: ...and Tom Clancy books... Me: Yeah. [saw that coming] He: ...and John Grisham... Me: Yeah. [typical] He: ...grimoires... Me: Yeah. [wait...what?] Wait...what?
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15th October 2008, 01:10 PM	#12
RobRoy Not A Mormon Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: In the sandbox Posts: 12,141	Originally Posted by Nogbad Feck! the black and red is hard on the eyes. That and her rants about Jews controlling everything/conspiring against her, and her and her husband's involvements in the Nazi movement became tedious. I was semi-interested in the information until I started to read all of this.
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15th October 2008, 01:13 PM	#13
Macoy Writing on water Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,363	"And lo, Lucifer! The Bringer of Middle Class Power Requirements; now and always must we cower within Satan's shadow."
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15th October 2008, 05:34 PM	#14
Elizabeth I Olympic Equestrian Wannabe Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Defending the Alamo Posts: 9,358	Originally Posted by Beerina Can any Christians describe what Satan's done *that's worse than heaving almost everybody who ever lived into Hell for all eternity?* Yeah, he dissed the Big Guy.
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15th October 2008, 05:44 PM	#15
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: The other side of your screen Posts: 43,250	Originally Posted by Tanstaafl Well, according to the bible he's at least not a homicidal maniac like that other character that somehow manages to get all the positive press. Originally Posted by Ron_Tomkins According to Joyofsatan, what you said counts as one of the many false accusations against ..... ...... SATAN!! Wait - it's a false accusation that he's not a homicidal maniac?
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15th October 2008, 09:18 PM	#16
Ron_Tomkins Satan's Helper Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 32,200	Originally Posted by arthwollipot Wait - it's a false accusation that he's not a homicidal maniac? Uh... sorry. I think I got confused. That's what happens when you succumb to the high powers of.... SATAN!!!!

16th October 2008, 10:16 AM	#17
Morrigan Crone of War Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 7,010	By the symbol of the creator, I swear henceforth to be A faithful servant of his most puissant arch-angel The Prince Lucifer Whom the creator designated as his regent And Lord of this world. Amen I deny Jesus Christ, the deceiver And I abjure the Christian faith Holding in contempt all of it's works As a being now possessed of a human body In this world I swear to give my full allegiance To it's lawful master, to worship him Our Lord, oh Satan, and no other In the name of Satan, the ruler of Earth Open wide the gates of Hell and come forth from the abyss By these names: Satan, Leviathan, Belial, Lucifer I will kiss the goat I swear to give my mind, my body and soul unreservedly To the furtherance of our Lord Satan's designs Do what thou wilt, shall be the whole of the law As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be World without end. Amen. I have seen Him there Master of Light, Master of the night Master of all the things that shine Oh I believe... I believe in all that I have seen And I have seen the Angel Of Light I have seen the Angel Of Light... Lucifer I have seen Him there Deep down where the Devils dwell Deep down in the darkest well I will make a second deal with the Prince Of Light Never will break the Oath I gave that night Shine in all your glory, shine your light on me I have seen Him there Deep down where the Devils dwell Deep down in the darkest well
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16th October 2008, 10:17 AM	#18
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16th October 2008, 10:20 AM	#19
paximperium Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2008 Location: Silicon Valley-Stuck between Google and Apple Posts: 10,727	Originally Posted by Marquis de Carabas A friend of mine's father once referred me to that site, saying how it had changed his life. I made my friend promise never to leave me alone with his father again. There was one amusing bit of the conversation leading up to his endorsement, though. After asking me what kind of stuff I read, he started telling me his reading list... He: I read a lot of history. Civil War, WWII, stuff like that. Me: Yeah. [predictable] He: ...and Tom Clancy books... Me: Yeah. [saw that coming] He: ...and John Grisham... Me: Yeah. [typical] He: ...grimoires... Me: Yeah. [wait...what?] Wait...what? Sounds like my reading list...except for John Grisham part, I read The Secret.
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16th October 2008, 05:30 PM	#20
billydkid Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Blanchester, OH Posts: 4,930	I always wondered about the stupidity of choosing the losing side in the war between good and evil. I now realize that there is another way of looking at it.
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17th October 2008, 08:22 AM	#21
Beerina Sarcastic Conqueror of Notions Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: A floating island above the clouds Posts: 23,835	If I were Satan, I'd be torn. Do I torture most of the dead for ever and ever? Or do I not do what God wants, and throw a party for them, and introduce freedom and capitalism so they can build a big, ever-improving society, just to piss God off? The latter would be fun, but if I were the greatest of all angels, and pissed off at God's arrogance at being "perfect", when obviously He is not, I might consider torturing most of the souls simply because that exposes, via God's inaction, God's imperfection as kind and merciful.
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18th October 2008, 06:04 PM	#23
Ron_Tomkins Satan's Helper Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 32,200	Originally Posted by billydkid I always wondered about the stupidity of choosing the losing side in the war between good and evil. I now realize that there is another way of looking at it. That's funny. A friend of mine said the exact same thing to this Satanist. The conversation went more or less like this: "So come over here. I wanna talk about this Devil thing. So you're a Satanist right?" "Yeah" "Oh ok... so you're on the loser's side" "... what?..." "Yeah because as you know, in the history of the Bible, you guys lose. Therefore, you're on the loser's side" "........"

18th October 2008, 07:02 PM	#24
moon1969 Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,288	I like Aleister Crowley more. Rasputin also seems to be a very interesting guy.

18th October 2008, 07:47 PM	#25
quarky Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 20,454	How did goats get involved in this? anyway, I'm scared of this thread.
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19th October 2008, 05:48 PM	#26
Cainkane1 Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: The great American southeast Posts: 7,239	http://thumb-4.godtube.com/e1/thumb/19/34/1_183364.jpg Heres a video of satan actually talking. Yup the ol talking snake himself Satan.
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19th October 2008, 05:51 PM	#27
Cainkane1 Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: The great American southeast Posts: 7,239	Originally Posted by Cainkane1 http://thumb-4.godtube.com/e1/thumb/19/34/1_183364.jpg Heres a video of satan actually talking. Yup the ol talking snake himself Satan. <embed src="http://godtube.com/flvplayer.swf" FlashVars="viewkey=4c1bab9dde5f98c508cf" wmode="transparent" quality="high" width="330" height="270" name="godtube" align="middle" allowScriptAccess="sameDomain" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/go/getflashplayer" /></embed> Actually here he is.
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23rd October 2008, 05:03 PM	#28
Third Eye Open Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Washington state, USA Posts: 1,402	Satan sounds like the American dream. Breaking out from beneath the thumb of a tyrant to be free and live by his own rules, sounds like my kind of guy!
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25th October 2008, 06:33 PM	#29
Beerina Sarcastic Conqueror of Notions Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: A floating island above the clouds Posts: 23,835	Here ya go.
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