Is Palin really looking towards 2012?

Hokulele · 25th October 2008, 06:09 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/...ion/index.html

Originally Posted by CNN

A second McCain source says she appears to be looking out for herself more than the McCain campaign.

...

"Also, she is playing for her own future and sees herself as the next leader of the party."

She does seem to be speaking more and more off the cuff recently. Could this be true?

Darth Rotor · 25th October 2008, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Is Palin really looking towards 2012?

Might be, as that is the alleged year of peak oil, which means Alaska gets rich for the following ten to twenty years as pipes get rammed into the ground in the frantic search for oil . . .

Or not.

As for Palin as the next leader of the GOP: tough to get my head around that one.

Hokulele · 25th October 2008, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by Darth Rotor

Might be, as that is the alleged year of peak oil, which means Alaska gets rich for the following ten to twenty years as pipes get rammed into the ground in the frantic search for oil . . .

Or not.

Heh.

Quote:

As for Palin as the next leader of the GOP: tough to get my head around that one.

That's what I thought, but to have the quote coming from a supposed McCain campaign source? WTF?

Ech. November 5 can't come soon enough.

Pardalis · 25th October 2008, 06:41 PM

Does she believe in the Mayan calendar or something?

The Central Scrutinizer · 25th October 2008, 06:50 PM

If she does get the nomination in 2012, I have one question - would it be possible for Obama (in 2012) to win more than 50 states?

TheJim · 25th October 2008, 06:54 PM

Seems that way with her in Iowa. If she runs it will split the party in half, she will win the talk radio and religious republicans but probably can't win in the big states with more moderate republicans and with her ego she could go 3rd party.

gtc · 25th October 2008, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by The Central Scrutinizer

If she does get the nomination in 2012, I have one question - would it be possible for Obama (in 2012) to win more than 50 states?

He might get 57 states.

Cain · 25th October 2008, 07:15 PM

I do not think it was a CNN article, so maybe the operative has been pushing this story around town because I've read the same "Palin has gone rogue" line. I like the sound of that as spoken into a walkie talkie: "Palin has gone rogue." I can't imagine her winning the Republican nomination in four years, not least of all because women really start goin' downhill after their mid-40s.

All of this in-fighting and finger pointing suggests they have given up. Hey guys, remember Katrina? This is no time to play the "blame game." Though unlike a lot of people, I still don't think this is a complete lock for Obama. It's crazy the inexperienced, terrorist-paling Arab Muslim socialist isn't up by 20-25 points, but this is America, and we do have an awful lot of complete dumb-****s.

Ausmerican · 25th October 2008, 07:27 PM

I think if (still saying if, no jinxes) their campaign tanks there is going to be a split in blame. The more moderate Republicans (ie: the sane ones) are going to blame Palin for the death of this campaign.
The far right, on the other hand, are going to blame McCain and say that Palin was the one good thing about the campaign.
Best case scenario (for the country and perhaps the party) is that this causes a rift that gets the Reps to jettison the far and fundy right.
If this campaign has shown anything it has somewhat disproven the message the religious right was pushing 4 years ago which was basically 'we are what wins elections in this country'.

T.A.M. · 25th October 2008, 07:56 PM

1. I am not sure she has the intellectual ability to see that far ahead.
2. A fox is not very intelligent, but they can be cunning, so I will not rule it out.
3. I think she will be eaten alive if she tries to run in 2012...by other REPs, but only if the GOP can come up with better players then the hacks they had running against McSame this year.

TAM

Meadmaker · 25th October 2008, 08:11 PM

Personally, I think she is looking toward 2014, as Senator. If Ted Stevens loses, which seems quite possible even if the jury comes back with not guilty or, more likely, no verdict, that will leave a Democrat as an Alaska Senator. If Palin wins re-election as Governor in 2010, she would be in a very good place to run for the Senate in 2014 at the end of her second term.

Then, she would be in great shape to challenge for the Presidency in 2016 or 2020.

Of course, this makes several assumptions. My opinion is that her various gaffes and issues are a bit overblown, and she can recover her reputation in Alaska and win reelection. Meanwhile, she has struck me as fairly bright and a quick learner. She wasn't ready this time around, but I think she has the courage of her convictions, and now that the door is open, it's a safe bet that this barracuda won't keep her eyes off the White House.

Will she win? I doubt it. I think the days of a staunch religious conservative like her are behind us, but stranger things have happened.

varwoche · 25th October 2008, 08:52 PM

One can only hope, from several angles including the comedic.

Originally Posted by CNN

"Her lack of fundamental understanding of some key issues was dramatic," said another McCain source with direct knowledge of the process to prepare Palin after she was picked. The source said it was probably the "hardest" to get her "up to speed than any candidate in history."

link

qarnos · 25th October 2008, 09:52 PM

Originally Posted by gtc

He might get 57 states.

No, 56 states and 2 territories. Tsk, tsk!

ZenFountain · 25th October 2008, 09:53 PM

The base loves Palin and does not seem to care much for McCain or how he's been running his campaign. Palin's instinct is punch 'em in the gut and the Rush Limbaugh crowd loves it. It far to early to begin gloating over the prospects of a shattered Republican party, but they do have some tough choices ahead if McCain is soundly beaten and they lose seven to ten seats in the Senate. With the Democrats poised to capture a true governing majority it will be interesting to see if the Republican party becomes the party of bitter obstructionism, pushing out what's left of their moderates or if they renew themselves and oppose the Democratic agenda with better ideas.

I see Palin as the face of that bitter obstructionism.

MattusMaximus · 25th October 2008, 09:55 PM

Originally Posted by Hokulele

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/...ion/index.html

She does seem to be speaking more and more off the cuff recently. Could this be true?

Yes, I just started another thread on this. I think she's throwing McCain under the bus and soon there will be a humongous fight for the future of the GOP...

Palin allies report rising campaign tension

That article outlines how the battle lines are already being drawn.

SezMe · 25th October 2008, 11:13 PM

Originally Posted by gtc

He might get 57 states.

Now this post really pi**** me off. I read TCS's post, thought of this reply and, worse, figured that NOBODY could be as clever as me to come up with it. But you did. Go eff off.

ETA: On a more serious note, I think Palin will be one of the focal points for the internal debate among the Elephants on what fundamental direction the party is going to take. Palin will be the sweetheart of the social conservatives while the "elite" of the party (like George Will) will see her as cancer.

Conservatives are facing a fascinating choice. Going with the Dobson wing, they risk becoming merely a regional party (the South and Greater IdahoLand) and spending a generation out in the woods. Going with the George Will/Finnacial Elites wing that eschews the "god, guns and gays" plank will lose as much as 25% of the base. Post Nov. 5, this will be the most interesting political discussion to follow.

UnrepentantSinner · 26th October 2008, 12:20 AM

This country isn't ready to have a woman president of either party.

Oliver · 26th October 2008, 12:37 AM

Originally Posted by Hokulele

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/...ion/index.html

She does seem to be speaking more and more off the cuff recently. Could this be true?

The real question here isn't "Is Palin looking towards 2012?" but
rather "What party would she run for in 2012?". Turns out that
there might be no more republican party in terms of the GOP as
it is today :

Republican fears of historic Obama landslide unleash civil war for the future of the party

gtc · 26th October 2008, 12:43 AM

Originally Posted by SezMe

Now this post really pi**** me off. I read TCS's post, thought of this reply and, worse, figured that NOBODY could be as clever as me to come up with it. But you did. Go eff off.

.

And there I was, thinking it would be a cheap shot.

SezMe · 26th October 2008, 12:49 AM

Originally Posted by gtc

And there I was, thinking it would be a cheap shot.

It WAS a cheap shot...why the hell else would I be so jealous?

dudalb · 26th October 2008, 01:35 PM

As I said in another thread, (assuming the GOP loses on Nov 4) it depends on how big the loss is. If it is a total disaster for the GOP, then anybody connected with the 2008 ticket will be considered toxic for a long time to come.

If it is close loss, then yeah, maybe Palin has a future.

Denver · 26th October 2008, 02:06 PM

I think Palin realizes the McCain/Palin ticket is a lost cause, and is focusing her talking points to things that she thinks will benefit her and hers after the election, or at least, help her recover from the loss. But, I don't think the right really cares much for her, and she will disappear into obscurity after Nov 5.

leftysergeant · 26th October 2008, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by Denver

But, I don't think the right really cares much for her, and she will disappear into obscurity after Nov 5.

Quite the contrary. The idiot right wing of the party put her where shje is. William Kristol played a pivotal role in getting her on the ticket, in place of Joe Liebermann.

If they lose, the ideologues will say it was because trhey went squishy-middle-of-the-road and insist that they have to swing farther right to be ready to undo the damage they see Obama doing, like depriving the entrepreneurs of the right to keep wages and taxes low.

The GOP has a learning disability, probably related to their myopia.

SezMe · 26th October 2008, 04:21 PM

I think Palin's future depends on what happens in the next Alaskan governor's race. Pre-McCain, she was very popular. She may have tarnished her reputation there enough that she may lose the next election. If she does, she's toast. If, however, she comes back and wins and recovers her popularity, then I think she'll remain on the national scene.

Tricky · 26th October 2008, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by SezMe

I think Palin's future depends on what happens in the next Alaskan governor's race. Pre-McCain, she was very popular. She may have tarnished her reputation there enough that she may lose the next election. If she does, she's toast. If, however, she comes back and wins and recovers her popularity, then I think she'll remain on the national scene.

Right and wrong. Palin may be in trouble in Alaska. It seems that even her own state didn't know much about her before she got added to the national ticket. It is almost certain that her popularity will drop some. But even if it rose very slightly, her position of "rising star" is completely tarnished. She will not even be a consideration in 2012. Her best chance, though, is to dump the governorship job and run for Congress. If Stevens is elected, then convicted, that gives her an excellent opening. I still don't think it will be nearly enough to keep her in any sort of position to be a national player.

Hokulele · 26th October 2008, 04:48 PM

Maybe she is angling towards becoming the next Pat Robertson.

Tricky · 26th October 2008, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by Hokulele

Maybe she is angling towards becoming the next Pat Robertson.

Not likely. Whatever else his shortcomings, Pat is actually good at public speaking. True, Palin is in her element where she has a prepared sermon/speech, like most of Robertson's are, but she hasn't got enough evangelical fervor, IMO.

SezMe · 26th October 2008, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by Tricky

I still don't think it will be nearly enough to keep her in any sort of position to be a national player.

Fun speculatin'

Alaska is a very conservative state - an ideal location upon which to base a comeback. It depends one which faction gains control of the Elephant herd. If the theocons dominate, I think Palin will play a role. If Mittens and the corporatecons hold the reins of power, then Senator will be the top of the ladder for her - and she will be a damn poor one.

Hokulele · 26th October 2008, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by Tricky

Not likely. Whatever else his shortcomings, Pat is actually good at public speaking. True, Palin is in her element where she has a prepared sermon/speech, like most of Robertson's are, but she hasn't got enough evangelical fervor, IMO.

I'm not so sure. She does have media experience, and I think we are seeing a very stilted version of Palin, most likely due to over-handling by the McCain campaign. She seems to have the fervor, just not a message she wants to promote.

This might make for an interesting long-term bet ...

Tricky · 26th October 2008, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by Hokulele

I'm not so sure. She does have media experience, and I think we are seeing a very stilted version of Palin, most likely due to over-handling by the McCain campaign. She seems to have the fervor, just not a message she wants to promote.

I dunno. Maybe she being stilted by the nature of the campaign, but I really don't see anything in her that indicates to me that she can move anyone but people who already like her. All indications are that she is a one-trick pony and that people tire of her rhetoric very quickly. I don't think that is totally due to her being forced out of her element. And frankly, I think there is a good chance that she will be very relieved when this circus is over and she can go back to being a big fish in a little pond. She seems to be a woman who likes a fair amount of privacy, and I would say that it is with good reason.

Originally Posted by Hokulele

This might make for an interesting long-term bet ...

But I love your avatar the way it is!

UnrepentantSinner · 26th October 2008, 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by gtc

He might get 57 states.

I guess you could call this the gaffe that keeps on giving.

Denver · 29th October 2008, 09:05 AM

Here's an interesting perspective on Palin's future:

Palin's future causes Republican rift

"A civil war that is simmering will break out into the open if McCain loses, and the party will have to decide what they want to be in the post-Reagan world," said Gloria Borger, a senior political analyst for CNN."

25th October 2008, 06:09 PM	#1
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25th October 2008, 06:18 PM	#3
Hokulele Official Nemesis Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Trying to decide whether to set defenses against an army, or against mole rats. Posts: 27,265	Originally Posted by Darth Rotor Might be, as that is the alleged year of peak oil, which means Alaska gets rich for the following ten to twenty years as pipes get rammed into the ground in the frantic search for oil . . . Or not. Heh. Quote: As for Palin as the next leader of the GOP: tough to get my head around that one. That's what I thought, but to have the quote coming from a supposed McCain campaign source? WTF? Ech. November 5 can't come soon enough.
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The Central Scrutinizer Penultimate Amazing Pither Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The White Zone Posts: 42,264	If she does get the nomination in 2012, I have one question - would it be possible for Obama (in 2012) to win more than 50 states?
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TheJim Critical Thinker Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 419	Seems that way with her in Iowa. If she runs it will split the party in half, she will win the talk radio and religious republicans but probably can't win in the big states with more moderate republicans and with her ego she could go 3rd party.
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25th October 2008, 06:41 PM	#4
Pardalis Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Montréal Posts: 25,831	Does she believe in the Mayan calendar or something?

25th October 2008, 07:11 PM	#7
gtc Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: the downunderverse Posts: 7,114	Originally Posted by The Central Scrutinizer If she does get the nomination in 2012, I have one question - would it be possible for Obama (in 2012) to win more than 50 states? He might get 57 states.

25th October 2008, 07:15 PM	#8
Cain Straussian Join Date: May 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,933	I do not think it was a CNN article, so maybe the operative has been pushing this story around town because I've read the same "Palin has gone rogue" line. I like the sound of that as spoken into a walkie talkie: "Palin has gone rogue." I can't imagine her winning the Republican nomination in four years, not least of all because women really start goin' downhill after their mid-40s. All of this in-fighting and finger pointing suggests they have given up. Hey guys, remember Katrina? This is no time to play the "blame game." Though unlike a lot of people, I still don't think this is a complete lock for Obama. It's crazy the inexperienced, terrorist-paling Arab Muslim socialist isn't up by 20-25 points, but this is America, and we do have an awful lot of complete dumb-****s.
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Ausmerican Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 3,381	I think if (still saying if, no jinxes) their campaign tanks there is going to be a split in blame. The more moderate Republicans (ie: the sane ones) are going to blame Palin for the death of this campaign. The far right, on the other hand, are going to blame McCain and say that Palin was the one good thing about the campaign. Best case scenario (for the country and perhaps the party) is that this causes a rift that gets the Reps to jettison the far and fundy right. If this campaign has shown anything it has somewhat disproven the message the religious right was pushing 4 years ago which was basically 'we are what wins elections in this country'.
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25th October 2008, 07:56 PM	#10
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25th October 2008, 08:11 PM	#11
Meadmaker Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Detroit suburbs Posts: 11,434	Personally, I think she is looking toward 2014, as Senator. If Ted Stevens loses, which seems quite possible even if the jury comes back with not guilty or, more likely, no verdict, that will leave a Democrat as an Alaska Senator. If Palin wins re-election as Governor in 2010, she would be in a very good place to run for the Senate in 2014 at the end of her second term. Then, she would be in great shape to challenge for the Presidency in 2016 or 2020. Of course, this makes several assumptions. My opinion is that her various gaffes and issues are a bit overblown, and she can recover her reputation in Alaska and win reelection. Meanwhile, she has struck me as fairly bright and a quick learner. She wasn't ready this time around, but I think she has the courage of her convictions, and now that the door is open, it's a safe bet that this barracuda won't keep her eyes off the White House. Will she win? I doubt it. I think the days of a staunch religious conservative like her are behind us, but stranger things have happened.
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ZenFountain Muse Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 666	The base loves Palin and does not seem to care much for McCain or how he's been running his campaign. Palin's instinct is punch 'em in the gut and the Rush Limbaugh crowd loves it. It far to early to begin gloating over the prospects of a shattered Republican party, but they do have some tough choices ahead if McCain is soundly beaten and they lose seven to ten seats in the Senate. With the Democrats poised to capture a true governing majority it will be interesting to see if the Republican party becomes the party of bitter obstructionism, pushing out what's left of their moderates or if they renew themselves and oppose the Democratic agenda with better ideas. I see Palin as the face of that bitter obstructionism.
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SezMe post-pre-born Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 16,370	Originally Posted by gtc He might get 57 states. Now this post really pi**** me off. I read TCS's post, thought of this reply and, worse, figured that NOBODY could be as clever as me to come up with it. But you did. Go eff off. ETA: On a more serious note, I think Palin will be one of the focal points for the internal debate among the Elephants on what fundamental direction the party is going to take. Palin will be the sweetheart of the social conservatives while the "elite" of the party (like George Will) will see her as cancer. Conservatives are facing a fascinating choice. Going with the Dobson wing, they risk becoming merely a regional party (the South and Greater IdahoLand) and spending a generation out in the woods. Going with the George Will/Finnacial Elites wing that eschews the "god, guns and gays" plank will lose as much as 25% of the base. Post Nov. 5, this will be the most interesting political discussion to follow.
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Oliver ~The Rascal~ Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Cologne Posts: 17,369	Originally Posted by Hokulele http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/...ion/index.html She does seem to be speaking more and more off the cuff recently. Could this be true? The real question here isn't "Is Palin looking towards 2012?" but rather "What party would she run for in 2012?". Turns out that there might be no more republican party in terms of the GOP as it is today : Republican fears of historic Obama landslide unleash civil war for the future of the party
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gtc Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: the downunderverse Posts: 7,114	Originally Posted by SezMe Now this post really pi**** me off. I read TCS's post, thought of this reply and, worse, figured that NOBODY could be as clever as me to come up with it. But you did. Go eff off. . And there I was, thinking it would be a cheap shot.

26th October 2008, 12:49 AM	#20
SezMe post-pre-born Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 16,370	Originally Posted by gtc And there I was, thinking it would be a cheap shot. It WAS a cheap shot...why the hell else would I be so jealous?

26th October 2008, 01:35 PM	#21
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 22,782	As I said in another thread, (assuming the GOP loses on Nov 4) it depends on how big the loss is. If it is a total disaster for the GOP, then anybody connected with the 2008 ticket will be considered toxic for a long time to come. If it is close loss, then yeah, maybe Palin has a future.

26th October 2008, 02:06 PM	#22
Denver Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Denver, Colorado Posts: 6,596	I think Palin realizes the McCain/Palin ticket is a lost cause, and is focusing her talking points to things that she thinks will benefit her and hers after the election, or at least, help her recover from the loss. But, I don't think the right really cares much for her, and she will disappear into obscurity after Nov 5.

26th October 2008, 02:23 PM	#23
leftysergeant Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 18,613	Originally Posted by Denver But, I don't think the right really cares much for her, and she will disappear into obscurity after Nov 5. Quite the contrary. The idiot right wing of the party put her where shje is. William Kristol played a pivotal role in getting her on the ticket, in place of Joe Liebermann. If they lose, the ideologues will say it was because trhey went squishy-middle-of-the-road and insist that they have to swing farther right to be ready to undo the damage they see Obama doing, like depriving the entrepreneurs of the right to keep wages and taxes low. The GOP has a learning disability, probably related to their myopia.

26th October 2008, 04:21 PM	#24
SezMe post-pre-born Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 16,370	I think Palin's future depends on what happens in the next Alaskan governor's race. Pre-McCain, she was very popular. She may have tarnished her reputation there enough that she may lose the next election. If she does, she's toast. If, however, she comes back and wins and recovers her popularity, then I think she'll remain on the national scene.

26th October 2008, 04:42 PM	#25
Tricky Briefly immortal Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Group W bench Posts: 42,338	Originally Posted by SezMe I think Palin's future depends on what happens in the next Alaskan governor's race. Pre-McCain, she was very popular. She may have tarnished her reputation there enough that she may lose the next election. If she does, she's toast. If, however, she comes back and wins and recovers her popularity, then I think she'll remain on the national scene. Right and wrong. Palin may be in trouble in Alaska. It seems that even her own state didn't know much about her before she got added to the national ticket. It is almost certain that her popularity will drop some. But even if it rose very slightly, her position of "rising star" is completely tarnished. She will not even be a consideration in 2012. Her best chance, though, is to dump the governorship job and run for Congress. If Stevens is elected, then convicted, that gives her an excellent opening. I still don't think it will be nearly enough to keep her in any sort of position to be a national player.

26th October 2008, 04:48 PM	#26
Hokulele Official Nemesis Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Trying to decide whether to set defenses against an army, or against mole rats. Posts: 27,265	Maybe she is angling towards becoming the next Pat Robertson.
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26th October 2008, 05:20 PM	#27
Tricky Briefly immortal Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Group W bench Posts: 42,338	Originally Posted by Hokulele Maybe she is angling towards becoming the next Pat Robertson. Not likely. Whatever else his shortcomings, Pat is actually good at public speaking. True, Palin is in her element where she has a prepared sermon/speech, like most of Robertson's are, but she hasn't got enough evangelical fervor, IMO.

26th October 2008, 05:25 PM	#28
SezMe post-pre-born Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 16,370	Originally Posted by Tricky I still don't think it will be nearly enough to keep her in any sort of position to be a national player. Fun speculatin' Alaska is a very conservative state - an ideal location upon which to base a comeback. It depends one which faction gains control of the Elephant herd. If the theocons dominate, I think Palin will play a role. If Mittens and the corporatecons hold the reins of power, then Senator will be the top of the ladder for her - and she will be a damn poor one.

26th October 2008, 05:25 PM	#29
Hokulele Official Nemesis Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Trying to decide whether to set defenses against an army, or against mole rats. Posts: 27,265	Originally Posted by Tricky Not likely. Whatever else his shortcomings, Pat is actually good at public speaking. True, Palin is in her element where she has a prepared sermon/speech, like most of Robertson's are, but she hasn't got enough evangelical fervor, IMO. I'm not so sure. She does have media experience, and I think we are seeing a very stilted version of Palin, most likely due to over-handling by the McCain campaign. She seems to have the fervor, just not a message she wants to promote. This might make for an interesting long-term bet ...
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26th October 2008, 07:09 PM	#30
Tricky Briefly immortal Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Group W bench Posts: 42,338	Originally Posted by Hokulele I'm not so sure. She does have media experience, and I think we are seeing a very stilted version of Palin, most likely due to over-handling by the McCain campaign. She seems to have the fervor, just not a message she wants to promote. I dunno. Maybe she being stilted by the nature of the campaign, but I really don't see anything in her that indicates to me that she can move anyone but people who already like her. All indications are that she is a one-trick pony and that people tire of her rhetoric very quickly. I don't think that is totally due to her being forced out of her element. And frankly, I think there is a good chance that she will be very relieved when this circus is over and she can go back to being a big fish in a little pond. She seems to be a woman who likes a fair amount of privacy, and I would say that it is with good reason. Originally Posted by Hokulele This might make for an interesting long-term bet ... But I love your avatar the way it is!

26th October 2008, 08:40 PM	#31
UnrepentantSinner A post by Alan Smithee Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: USAian is not a word Posts: 26,351	Originally Posted by gtc He might get 57 states. I guess you could call this the gaffe that keeps on giving.
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29th October 2008, 09:05 AM	#32
Denver Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Denver, Colorado Posts: 6,596	Here's an interesting perspective on Palin's future: Palin's future causes Republican rift "A civil war that is simmering will break out into the open if McCain loses, and the party will have to decide what they want to be in the post-Reagan world," said Gloria Borger, a senior political analyst for CNN."