Firestorm - again - in Southern California

ConspiRaider · 13th November 2008, 09:19 PM

Happening now in Montecito, ritzy area near Santa Barbara (which is itself rather ritzy). Several dozen homes already destroyed.

It's those winds, those hot and fast Santa Ana winds from the North / Northeast. Currently about 50 miles per hour, higher gusts.

No word yet if there are casualties.

Seren_ · 13th November 2008, 11:39 PM

Is God angry about Prop 8 ?

PhantomWolf · 14th November 2008, 12:20 AM

Originally Posted by Seren_

Is God angry about Prop 8 ?

If he was I'd imagine it'd be hitting the poor black areas that voted for it, not the rich white areas that probably voted against... of course it might be cause they voted against it.....

ConspiRaider · 15th November 2008, 10:48 AM

Los Angeles County now under a State of Emergency.

Firestorm currently progressing in Palos Verdes (near Long Beach).

Another firestorm in Sylmar, most of an entire mobile home park destroyed. Fire hoses melted into the cement from heat of fires. Street signs melted. Apparently more than 600 mobile homes - SIX HUNDRED - destroyed.

Fire in Corona, no containment.

Fire near Yorba Linda.

Fire on both sides of Interstate 5 south of Highway 14, I-5 closed down in that area.

Lisa Simpson · 15th November 2008, 10:53 AM

I can smell smoke here in Orange County. I didn't know about the fire in Palos Verdes, so I guess that's where it's coming from.

JimBenArm · 15th November 2008, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by ConspiRaider

Los Angeles County now under a State of Emergency.

Firestorm currently progressing in Palos Verdes (near Long Beach).

Another firestorm in Sylmar, most of an entire mobile home park destroyed. Fire hoses melted into the cement from heat of fires. Street signs melted. Apparently more than 600 mobile homes - SIX HUNDRED - destroyed.

Are you okay? Is this anywhere near you, or are you safe?

Lisa Simpson · 15th November 2008, 11:00 AM

KTLA is saying there's another fire out in Corona.

ConspiRaider · 15th November 2008, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by Lisa Simpson

I can smell smoke here in Orange County. I didn't know about the fire in Palos Verdes, so I guess that's where it's coming from.

I guess they're saying fire near Fullerton / Yorba Linda, being fanned by the winds, burning scrub at this time, but moving.

ConspiRaider · 15th November 2008, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by JimBenArm

Are you okay? Is this anywhere near you, or are you safe?

In surrounding areas, Cap'n. I live in a very densely populated area of Los Angeles (west of the city) and quite frankly, not so much to burn. Concrete and stucco up the kazoo.

Had a power failure in the middle of the night, there are sporadic power failures around, causing havoc on the freeways and surface streets. We all live on these ribbons of pavement for too much of our lives.

They just did the live fire chief report on the Sylmar fire, where more than 600 mobile homes are just gone.

ConspiRaider · 15th November 2008, 11:48 AM

Oak Ridge Mobile Home Park in Sylmar is now, reportedly, considered a crime scene. Could be looking at a deliberately set fire. They just listed the streets where all mobile homes thereon, are gone. More than a dozen devastated streets, as if a blockbuster bomb went off.

Yorba Linda (birthplace of Richard Nixon) now getting the leading edge of a fire, a few homes in flames already.

A dozen homes now in flames in Yorba Linda.

Lisa Simpson · 15th November 2008, 01:52 PM

I'm about 30 miles to the southwest of the Yorba Linda fire and we can see the smoke plume from our house.

ConspiRaider · 15th November 2008, 01:58 PM

Scary, Lisa. The fire has now jumped the 57 freeway, apparently the 91 freeway as well, heading towards Anaheim Hills.

Lisa Simpson · 15th November 2008, 01:59 PM

I'm more worried about hcmom, she lives way closer to the fires than I do.

ConspiRaider · 15th November 2008, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by Lisa Simpson

I'm more worried about hcmom, she lives way closer to the fires than I do.

Yep Lisa, hope she's safe and all other SoCal JREFers. The evacuations seem to be working well so far.

Fires moving deeper into Anaheim Hills, into Anaheim (home of Disneyland) a bit.

It was 92 degrees in downtown Los Angeles today. That, plus the fact that we haven't had any more than 2 or 3 days of decent rain in the last 6 months or so, and things are almost exploding into flame.

Sunset is about 45 minutes away, and that means the winds will INCREASE. As if we need that.

HawaiiBigSis · 15th November 2008, 05:41 PM

Based on the maps I can find, I'm pretty sure hcmom is okay. But I'm trying to call her to confirm...

mrbaracuda · 16th November 2008, 04:34 PM

Hrrm, watching some FOX News coverage right now.
What has caused it this time?

Originally Posted by Seren_

Is God angry about Prop 8 ?

LoL!

Damien Evans · 16th November 2008, 05:29 PM

I hope no-one gets hurt.

[aside]Which idiot thought importing Eucalypts over there would be a good idea?[/aside]

Travis · 16th November 2008, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by Damien Evans

I hope no-one gets hurt.

[aside]Which idiot thought importing Eucalypts over there would be a good idea?[/aside]

I don't know who did it but Eucalyptus trees have become a huge invasive nuisance here in California. They love the climate and when they burn.......boy do they burn.

dudalb · 17th November 2008, 01:24 PM

Quote:

What has caused it this time?

A number of different causes:

A: Most of California is pretty rainless between May and December. It's a "Meditterean" climate. This makes the vegatation nice and dry come the fall. This, btw, is not Global warming related. California has always has this kind of rainless summer climate.
B. The Santa Ana Winds.
C.That more and more people are building houses in areas where it is not a good idea to build houses because they are guarenteed to burn.
D. The last couple of years have been really,really,dry..drier then usual. THis makes the
usually dry conditions in the fall even worse then usual.
Maybe Global Warming. The jury is still out on whether climate change is having an impact on this, or whether is is just a normal, non global warming related, dry cycle.

dudalb · 17th November 2008, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by Damien Evans

I hope no-one gets hurt.

[aside]Which idiot thought importing Eucalypts over there would be a good idea?[/aside]

Back in the late 1800's, people thought they would make great windbreaks because they grow so fast. It seems like a good idea of the time, and people did not relise that Eucalyptus trees, when it comes to reproducing, are the Rabbits of the tree world: There is no such thing as one.

Cuddles · 18th November 2008, 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

C.That more and more people are building houses in areas where it is not a good idea to build houses because they are guarenteed to burn.

It's interesting that in the UK people build where it's far too wet and end up getting flooded, while in the US they build where it's far too dry and end up catching fire. You'd think that after thousands of years of facing these problems people might have learned their lesson by now.

ConspiRaider · 18th November 2008, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by Cuddles

It's interesting that in the UK people build where it's far too wet and end up getting flooded, while in the US they build where it's far too dry and end up catching fire. You'd think that after thousands of years of facing these problems people might have learned their lesson by now.

It befuddles, Cuddles.

Of course we do that here too, YankLandia. We (New Orleans) build where it floods. We (Kansas) build where tornadoes love to hang out. We (New England) build where we know it'll be freezing cold for maybe half the year, requiring the burning of stuff like mercury-containing coal to keep ourselves nice and toasty. We (Seattle) build where it rains so often that it can be mood-altering, depression-enhancing. We (Las Vegas) build where it's roasting hot in summer, requiring huge amounts of power to cool the air and make it livable.

Once we humans (and perhaps we used to be more nomadic by nature) fell in absolute LOVE with owning patches of the Earth's crust for OUR VERY OWN, we were screwed. So much of the meaning of life is tied to property - the land, the dwelling(s), the voluminous stuff crammed into the dwelling(s). Sometimes that is a very risky investment into what life is all about.

Maybe what we need are TRULY mobile homes - not like the 480 that burned in the last several days. Little saucer-shaped homes that can get airborne in a few shakes of a lamb's tail, and light down somewhere else.

dudalb · 18th November 2008, 01:11 PM

Hey , there are few spots on earth that are not subject to natural disasters of one kind or another.

Travis · 18th November 2008, 01:29 PM

Not having defensible space is kinda unforgivable though. Granted in the recent fires it wouldn't have made much difference with those winds but a lot of other fires here in California are much more worse than they need be because people fail to see that dry brush right up next to homes is not a good idea. Here in Tuolumne County we made a hundred feet of defensible space around your home a law.

phildonnia · 18th November 2008, 01:57 PM

I'm curious whether wood-shake roofing will be implicated. It was banned in CA after a big fire in Oakland, but existing installations were grandfathered in.

Originally Posted by Travis

I don't know who did it but Eucalyptus trees have become a huge invasive nuisance here in California. They love the climate and when they burn.......boy do they burn.

I heard it was an "ill advised lumber scheme" that introduced the blue gum. Although, if you happen to need a hundred-foot tree -- by tomorrow -- there's not really much choice.

PhantomWolf · 18th November 2008, 02:25 PM

I'd have to say that whoever brought in the Eucalyptus tree had never been in Australia during February....

Travis · 18th November 2008, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by PhantomWolf

I'd have to say that whoever brought in the Eucalyptus tree had never been in Australia during February....

I wonder if they're related to the geniuses that planted Kudzu all over the Southern States.

gumboot · 18th November 2008, 03:20 PM

Yay, let's move into this really hot space and then plant these trees that regenerate periodically by exploding into flames.

Travis · 18th November 2008, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by gumboot

Yay, let's move into this really hot space and then plant these trees that regenerate periodically by exploding into flames.

Well, to be fair Eucalyptus trees are only part of the problem. We also have manzanita around. That stuff burns so hot you can melt a cast iron wood stove if you burned it inside it. What's worse is that manzanita tends to take over burned out areas as it can grow favorably in the ashy terrain. This makes future fires even more dangerous.

Damien Evans · 18th November 2008, 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Back in the late 1800's, people thought they would make great windbreaks because they grow so fast. It seems like a good idea of the time, and people did not relise that Eucalyptus trees, when it comes to reproducing, are the Rabbits of the tree world: There is no such thing as one.

Ah, a bit like us with cane toads. Import them for one thing, they do something entirely different.

Damien Evans · 18th November 2008, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by Travis

I don't know who did it but Eucalyptus trees have become a huge invasive nuisance here in California. They love the climate and when they burn.......boy do they burn.

Tell me about it.

We had a massive series of bushfires in East Gippsland (roughly the eastern quarter of Victoria) two summers ago. Until earlier this year, water restrictions in the major towns in the area were still in force because there was no non charcoal contaminated water anywhere. The fires had a combined front of over 200 km.

gumboot · 18th November 2008, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by Damien Evans

Ah, a bit like us with cane toads. Import them for one thing, they do something entirely different.

We watched a documentary about Cane Toads at film school... best doc(mock?)umentary ever.

13th November 2008, 09:19 PM	#1
ConspiRaider Writer of Nothingnesses Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 11,169	Firestorm - again - in Southern California Happening now in Montecito, ritzy area near Santa Barbara (which is itself rather ritzy). Several dozen homes already destroyed. It's those winds, those hot and fast Santa Ana winds from the North / Northeast. Currently about 50 miles per hour, higher gusts. No word yet if there are casualties.

13th November 2008, 11:39 PM	#2
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14th November 2008, 12:20 AM	#3
PhantomWolf Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Lost Deimos Moon Base Posts: 9,966	Originally Posted by Seren_ Is God angry about Prop 8 ? If he was I'd imagine it'd be hitting the poor black areas that voted for it, not the rich white areas that probably voted against... of course it might be cause they voted against it.....
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15th November 2008, 10:48 AM	#4
ConspiRaider Writer of Nothingnesses Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 11,169	Los Angeles County now under a State of Emergency. Firestorm currently progressing in Palos Verdes (near Long Beach). Another firestorm in Sylmar, most of an entire mobile home park destroyed. Fire hoses melted into the cement from heat of fires. Street signs melted. Apparently more than 600 mobile homes - SIX HUNDRED - destroyed. Fire in Corona, no containment. Fire near Yorba Linda. Fire on both sides of Interstate 5 south of Highway 14, I-5 closed down in that area.
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15th November 2008, 10:55 AM	#6
JimBenArm Based on a true story! Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 12,984	Originally Posted by ConspiRaider Los Angeles County now under a State of Emergency. Firestorm currently progressing in Palos Verdes (near Long Beach). Another firestorm in Sylmar, most of an entire mobile home park destroyed. Fire hoses melted into the cement from heat of fires. Street signs melted. Apparently more than 600 mobile homes - SIX HUNDRED - destroyed. Are you okay? Is this anywhere near you, or are you safe?
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15th November 2008, 10:53 AM	#5
Lisa Simpson THE Lisa Simpson Administrator Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: 123 Fake Street Posts: 20,064	I can smell smoke here in Orange County. I didn't know about the fire in Palos Verdes, so I guess that's where it's coming from.

15th November 2008, 11:00 AM	#7
Lisa Simpson THE Lisa Simpson Administrator Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: 123 Fake Street Posts: 20,064	KTLA is saying there's another fire out in Corona.

15th November 2008, 11:09 AM	#8
ConspiRaider Writer of Nothingnesses Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 11,169	Originally Posted by Lisa Simpson I can smell smoke here in Orange County. I didn't know about the fire in Palos Verdes, so I guess that's where it's coming from. I guess they're saying fire near Fullerton / Yorba Linda, being fanned by the winds, burning scrub at this time, but moving.

15th November 2008, 11:13 AM	#9
ConspiRaider Writer of Nothingnesses Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 11,169	Originally Posted by JimBenArm Are you okay? Is this anywhere near you, or are you safe? In surrounding areas, Cap'n. I live in a very densely populated area of Los Angeles (west of the city) and quite frankly, not so much to burn. Concrete and stucco up the kazoo. Had a power failure in the middle of the night, there are sporadic power failures around, causing havoc on the freeways and surface streets. We all live on these ribbons of pavement for too much of our lives. They just did the live fire chief report on the Sylmar fire, where more than 600 mobile homes are just gone.

15th November 2008, 11:48 AM	#10
ConspiRaider Writer of Nothingnesses Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 11,169	Oak Ridge Mobile Home Park in Sylmar is now, reportedly, considered a crime scene. Could be looking at a deliberately set fire. They just listed the streets where all mobile homes thereon, are gone. More than a dozen devastated streets, as if a blockbuster bomb went off. Yorba Linda (birthplace of Richard Nixon) now getting the leading edge of a fire, a few homes in flames already. A dozen homes now in flames in Yorba Linda.
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15th November 2008, 01:52 PM	#11
Lisa Simpson THE Lisa Simpson Administrator Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: 123 Fake Street Posts: 20,064	I'm about 30 miles to the southwest of the Yorba Linda fire and we can see the smoke plume from our house.

15th November 2008, 01:58 PM	#12
ConspiRaider Writer of Nothingnesses Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 11,169	Scary, Lisa. The fire has now jumped the 57 freeway, apparently the 91 freeway as well, heading towards Anaheim Hills.

15th November 2008, 01:59 PM	#13
Lisa Simpson THE Lisa Simpson Administrator Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: 123 Fake Street Posts: 20,064	I'm more worried about hcmom, she lives way closer to the fires than I do.

15th November 2008, 04:11 PM	#14
ConspiRaider Writer of Nothingnesses Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 11,169	Originally Posted by Lisa Simpson I'm more worried about hcmom, she lives way closer to the fires than I do. Yep Lisa, hope she's safe and all other SoCal JREFers. The evacuations seem to be working well so far. Fires moving deeper into Anaheim Hills, into Anaheim (home of Disneyland) a bit. It was 92 degrees in downtown Los Angeles today. That, plus the fact that we haven't had any more than 2 or 3 days of decent rain in the last 6 months or so, and things are almost exploding into flame. Sunset is about 45 minutes away, and that means the winds will INCREASE. As if we need that.

15th November 2008, 05:41 PM	#15
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16th November 2008, 04:34 PM	#16
mrbaracuda Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Germany Posts: 3,799	Hrrm, watching some FOX News coverage right now. What has caused it this time? Originally Posted by Seren_ Is God angry about Prop 8 ? LoL!

16th November 2008, 05:29 PM	#17
Damien Evans Up The Irons Tagger Join Date: May 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 25,310	I hope no-one gets hurt. [aside]Which idiot thought importing Eucalypts over there would be a good idea?[/aside]
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16th November 2008, 05:37 PM	#18
Travis Misanthrope of the Mountains Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Tuolumne City, CA Posts: 17,956	Originally Posted by Damien Evans I hope no-one gets hurt. [aside]Which idiot thought importing Eucalypts over there would be a good idea?[/aside] I don't know who did it but Eucalyptus trees have become a huge invasive nuisance here in California. They love the climate and when they burn.......boy do they burn.
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17th November 2008, 01:24 PM	#19
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 22,848	Quote: What has caused it this time? A number of different causes: A: Most of California is pretty rainless between May and December. It's a "Meditterean" climate. This makes the vegatation nice and dry come the fall. This, btw, is not Global warming related. California has always has this kind of rainless summer climate. B. The Santa Ana Winds. C.That more and more people are building houses in areas where it is not a good idea to build houses because they are guarenteed to burn. D. The last couple of years have been really,really,dry..drier then usual. THis makes the usually dry conditions in the fall even worse then usual. Maybe Global Warming. The jury is still out on whether climate change is having an impact on this, or whether is is just a normal, non global warming related, dry cycle.
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17th November 2008, 01:26 PM	#20
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 22,848	Originally Posted by Damien Evans I hope no-one gets hurt. [aside]Which idiot thought importing Eucalypts over there would be a good idea?[/aside] Back in the late 1800's, people thought they would make great windbreaks because they grow so fast. It seems like a good idea of the time, and people did not relise that Eucalyptus trees, when it comes to reproducing, are the Rabbits of the tree world: There is no such thing as one.

18th November 2008, 08:33 AM	#21
Cuddles Decoy Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: A magical land full of pink fluffy sheeps and bunnies Posts: 16,597	Originally Posted by dudalb C.That more and more people are building houses in areas where it is not a good idea to build houses because they are guarenteed to burn. It's interesting that in the UK people build where it's far too wet and end up getting flooded, while in the US they build where it's far too dry and end up catching fire. You'd think that after thousands of years of facing these problems people might have learned their lesson by now.
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18th November 2008, 12:23 PM	#22
ConspiRaider Writer of Nothingnesses Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 11,169	Originally Posted by Cuddles It's interesting that in the UK people build where it's far too wet and end up getting flooded, while in the US they build where it's far too dry and end up catching fire. You'd think that after thousands of years of facing these problems people might have learned their lesson by now. It befuddles, Cuddles. Of course we do that here too, YankLandia. We (New Orleans) build where it floods. We (Kansas) build where tornadoes love to hang out. We (New England) build where we know it'll be freezing cold for maybe half the year, requiring the burning of stuff like mercury-containing coal to keep ourselves nice and toasty. We (Seattle) build where it rains so often that it can be mood-altering, depression-enhancing. We (Las Vegas) build where it's roasting hot in summer, requiring huge amounts of power to cool the air and make it livable. Once we humans (and perhaps we used to be more nomadic by nature) fell in absolute LOVE with owning patches of the Earth's crust for OUR VERY OWN, we were screwed. So much of the meaning of life is tied to property - the land, the dwelling(s), the voluminous stuff crammed into the dwelling(s). Sometimes that is a very risky investment into what life is all about. Maybe what we need are TRULY mobile homes - not like the 480 that burned in the last several days. Little saucer-shaped homes that can get airborne in a few shakes of a lamb's tail, and light down somewhere else.

18th November 2008, 01:11 PM	#23
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 22,848	Hey , there are few spots on earth that are not subject to natural disasters of one kind or another.

18th November 2008, 01:29 PM	#24
Travis Misanthrope of the Mountains Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Tuolumne City, CA Posts: 17,956	Not having defensible space is kinda unforgivable though. Granted in the recent fires it wouldn't have made much difference with those winds but a lot of other fires here in California are much more worse than they need be because people fail to see that dry brush right up next to homes is not a good idea. Here in Tuolumne County we made a hundred feet of defensible space around your home a law.
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18th November 2008, 01:57 PM	#25
phildonnia Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Sac'to CA Posts: 2,339	I'm curious whether wood-shake roofing will be implicated. It was banned in CA after a big fire in Oakland, but existing installations were grandfathered in. Originally Posted by Travis I don't know who did it but Eucalyptus trees have become a huge invasive nuisance here in California. They love the climate and when they burn.......boy do they burn. I heard it was an "ill advised lumber scheme" that introduced the blue gum. Although, if you happen to need a hundred-foot tree -- by tomorrow -- there's not really much choice.

18th November 2008, 02:25 PM	#26
PhantomWolf Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Lost Deimos Moon Base Posts: 9,966	I'd have to say that whoever brought in the Eucalyptus tree had never been in Australia during February....
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18th November 2008, 03:07 PM	#27
Travis Misanthrope of the Mountains Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Tuolumne City, CA Posts: 17,956	Originally Posted by PhantomWolf I'd have to say that whoever brought in the Eucalyptus tree had never been in Australia during February.... I wonder if they're related to the geniuses that planted Kudzu all over the Southern States.
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18th November 2008, 03:20 PM	#28
gumboot lorcutus.tolere Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: New Zealand Posts: 23,127	Yay, let's move into this really hot space and then plant these trees that regenerate periodically by exploding into flames.
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18th November 2008, 05:58 PM	#29
Travis Misanthrope of the Mountains Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Tuolumne City, CA Posts: 17,956	Originally Posted by gumboot Yay, let's move into this really hot space and then plant these trees that regenerate periodically by exploding into flames. Well, to be fair Eucalyptus trees are only part of the problem. We also have manzanita around. That stuff burns so hot you can melt a cast iron wood stove if you burned it inside it. What's worse is that manzanita tends to take over burned out areas as it can grow favorably in the ashy terrain. This makes future fires even more dangerous.
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18th November 2008, 06:03 PM	#30
Damien Evans Up The Irons Tagger Join Date: May 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 25,310	Originally Posted by dudalb Back in the late 1800's, people thought they would make great windbreaks because they grow so fast. It seems like a good idea of the time, and people did not relise that Eucalyptus trees, when it comes to reproducing, are the Rabbits of the tree world: There is no such thing as one. Ah, a bit like us with cane toads. Import them for one thing, they do something entirely different.
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18th November 2008, 06:07 PM	#31
Damien Evans Up The Irons Tagger Join Date: May 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 25,310	Originally Posted by Travis I don't know who did it but Eucalyptus trees have become a huge invasive nuisance here in California. They love the climate and when they burn.......boy do they burn. Tell me about it. We had a massive series of bushfires in East Gippsland (roughly the eastern quarter of Victoria) two summers ago. Until earlier this year, water restrictions in the major towns in the area were still in force because there was no non charcoal contaminated water anywhere. The fires had a combined front of over 200 km.
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18th November 2008, 06:07 PM	#32
gumboot lorcutus.tolere Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: New Zealand Posts: 23,127	Originally Posted by Damien Evans Ah, a bit like us with cane toads. Import them for one thing, they do something entirely different. We watched a documentary about Cane Toads at film school... best doc(mock?)umentary ever.
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