Shelling of Mainila

moon1969 · 22nd November 2008, 04:14 AM

Was Shelling of Mainila a false flag?

Alareth · 22nd November 2008, 06:43 AM

More information?

Pantaz · 22nd November 2008, 09:10 AM

The Spanish American War?
http://www.history.navy.mil/docs/spanam/manila3.htm

TjW · 22nd November 2008, 12:33 PM

Since Minilla was basically a good-guy monster, I don't believe he was ever shelled, in a false-flag attack or otherwise.

Gazpacho · 22nd November 2008, 12:39 PM

Why don't you tell us what you think, and why? Preferably without assuming that we can read your mind.

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CptColumbo · 22nd November 2008, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by Alareth

More information?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mainila

PhantomWolf · 22nd November 2008, 04:48 PM

Why do I get the feeling that moon1969 is stuck in 1939?

Travis · 22nd November 2008, 07:41 PM

Yes, this seems to be a classic "False Flag." Fortunately they are very rare.

Now what? Where is this thread supposed to go?

timhau · 23rd November 2008, 02:21 AM

Originally Posted by moon1969

Was Shelling of Mainila a false flag?

Yes it was. So, obviously every conspiracy theory ever created is correct. Wake up, sheeple!

TjW · 23rd November 2008, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by moon1969

Was Shelling of Mainila a false flag?

No, the shelling of Mainila was a false false flag operation.

The evil <insert current codeword for a certain group of people I don't like, so I can't be accused of racism> who were running Finland at the time needed a war to further their nefarious plans. (It should be noted in passing that these were not necessarily the publicly acknowledged "leaders", but the evil codewords that really had the power.)

It was necessary for public opinion to be that Russia was the aggressor, so the artillery was withdrawn to a position where it could not possibly hit Russia.

On the other hand, no one would believe that Russia would start a war with no pretext whatsoever, so sappers were sent into Russia (at night, when everyone was asleep) to wire explosives simulating an artillery bombardment. The sappers were "hushed up" by informing them that if they tattled, they would lose both their jobs and their retirement benefits.

Later, operatives under control of the codewords planted forged papers into Zhdanov's records, and the operation was a success.

There is no evidence that wasn't faked that it didn't happen this way.

Dr Adequate · 23rd November 2008, 01:35 PM

Ah yes, that rings a bell ...

Originally Posted by Dr Adequate

Yes, that makes sense. Let's look at some of the differences between that and 9/11.

* We know that the Finns were technically incapable of shelling Mainila, which was not in range of their guns. By contrast, we know that the 9/11 hijackers were capable of (a) hijacking planes (b) flying them into things.

* We know that the Russians were technically capable of shelling Mainila, whereas your particular variant of The Truth requires a Gizmo-of-the-Gaps for the existence of which you have no evidence.

* There are documents pointing to the complicity of the Soviet Government in the shelling of Mainila. There are none implicating the USG in 9/11.

* There is a wealth of evidence as to the hijackers, their training, their motivation, and their actions once onboard the planes; there is no corresponding record of Finnish military personel shelling Mainila.

* The Russians, wishing to invade Finland, pinned the blame for the shelling of Mainila on the Finns. The USG, apparently seeking to invade Iraq, blamed 9/11 on Saudis.

* The shelling of Mainila did not provoke lots of awkward questions about the preparedness and competence of the Soviet regime.

* The Soviets suffered no losses at Mainila. Besides the loss of life on 9/11, it was also an economic catastrophe.

* The Finns said they didn't shell Mainila. Al Qaeda claimed responsibility for 9/11.

Gather round, folks, and see what a real false flag looks like.

Travis · 24th November 2008, 12:44 AM

Originally Posted by Dr Adequate

The shelling of Mainila did not provoke lots of awkward questions about the preparedness and competence of the Soviet regime.

The subsequent invasion of Finland sure did. The Fins really handed the Soviets their butts. Of course the Soviets greatly outnumbered them and the Fins had limited supplies so an eventual peace favorable to the Soviets was inevitable.

22nd November 2008, 04:14 AM	#1
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CptColumbo Just One More Question Join Date: May 2004 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 9,130	Originally Posted by Alareth More information? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mainila
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23rd November 2008, 02:21 AM	#9
timhau NWO Litter Technician Join Date: May 2004 Location: East of Sweeden Posts: 9,677	Originally Posted by moon1969 Was Shelling of Mainila a false flag? Yes it was. So, obviously every conspiracy theory ever created is correct. Wake up, sheeple!
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23rd November 2008, 10:26 AM	#10
TjW Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: up in the air Posts: 9,995	Originally Posted by moon1969 Was Shelling of Mainila a false flag? No, the shelling of Mainila was a false false flag operation. The evil <insert current codeword for a certain group of people I don't like, so I can't be accused of racism> who were running Finland at the time needed a war to further their nefarious plans. (It should be noted in passing that these were not necessarily the publicly acknowledged "leaders", but the evil codewords that really had the power.) It was necessary for public opinion to be that Russia was the aggressor, so the artillery was withdrawn to a position where it could not possibly hit Russia. On the other hand, no one would believe that Russia would start a war with no pretext whatsoever, so sappers were sent into Russia (at night, when everyone was asleep) to wire explosives simulating an artillery bombardment. The sappers were "hushed up" by informing them that if they tattled, they would lose both their jobs and their retirement benefits. Later, operatives under control of the codewords planted forged papers into Zhdanov's records, and the operation was a success. There is no evidence that wasn't faked that it didn't happen this way.
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23rd November 2008, 01:35 PM	#11
Dr Adequate Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Waiting Long Enough By The River Posts: 17,897	Ah yes, that rings a bell ... Originally Posted by Dr Adequate Yes, that makes sense. Let's look at some of the differences between that and 9/11. * We know that the Finns were technically incapable of shelling Mainila, which was not in range of their guns. By contrast, we know that the 9/11 hijackers were capable of (a) hijacking planes (b) flying them into things. * We know that the Russians were technically capable of shelling Mainila, whereas your particular variant of The Truth requires a Gizmo-of-the-Gaps for the existence of which you have no evidence. * There are documents pointing to the complicity of the Soviet Government in the shelling of Mainila. There are none implicating the USG in 9/11. * There is a wealth of evidence as to the hijackers, their training, their motivation, and their actions once onboard the planes; there is no corresponding record of Finnish military personel shelling Mainila. * The Russians, wishing to invade Finland, pinned the blame for the shelling of Mainila on the Finns. The USG, apparently seeking to invade Iraq, blamed 9/11 on Saudis. * The shelling of Mainila did not provoke lots of awkward questions about the preparedness and competence of the Soviet regime. * The Soviets suffered no losses at Mainila. Besides the loss of life on 9/11, it was also an economic catastrophe. * The Finns said they didn't shell Mainila. Al Qaeda claimed responsibility for 9/11. Gather round, folks, and see what a real false flag looks like.

24th November 2008, 12:44 AM	#12
Travis Misanthrope of the Mountains Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Tuolumne City, CA Posts: 17,945	Originally Posted by Dr Adequate The shelling of Mainila did not provoke lots of awkward questions about the preparedness and competence of the Soviet regime. The subsequent invasion of Finland sure did. The Fins really handed the Soviets their butts. Of course the Soviets greatly outnumbered them and the Fins had limited supplies so an eventual peace favorable to the Soviets was inevitable.
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