From Jesus to Christ - the First Christians

Safe-Keeper · 5th December 2008, 02:17 PM

I'm currently watching this PBS Frontline documentary. It's about Jesus Christ and the advent of Christianity. It seems to be biased in that it seems to take as a fact that Jesus lived, but it's still incredibly interesting. Anyone else seen it?

Bikewer · 5th December 2008, 05:44 PM

Have not. I'd be interested in seeing how it jives with the writings of Bart Ehrman. (Lost Christianities and many others)

Ehrman is in the "there likely was a Jesus" camp, identifying him as a rabbi in the Apocalyptic tradition. Probably a charismatic fellow who attracted sufficient crowds to worry the Romans, and annoy them mightily when he started talking about being the King of the Jews....

Darth Rotor · 5th December 2008, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

I'm currently watching this PBS Frontline documentary. It's about Jesus Christ and the advent of Christianity. It seems to be biased in that it seems to take as a fact that Jesus lived, but it's still incredibly interesting. Anyone else seen it?

That is hardly a bias. You, on the other hand, might want to check your own baggage at the door. That snarky remark aside, thanks for the tip, I'll try to catch the program, if not on this try on the next broadcast.

DR

Egg · 6th December 2008, 04:08 AM

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

I'm currently watching this PBS Frontline documentary. It's about Jesus Christ and the advent of Christianity. It seems to be biased in that it seems to take as a fact that Jesus lived, but it's still incredibly interesting. Anyone else seen it?

Thanks for the link.

I agree with DR. To make a documentary questioning the existence of Jesus using leading scholars on the subject would be a bit like trying to make a documentary questioning evolution using leading biologists.

Ichneumonwasp · 6th December 2008, 04:13 AM

Thanks, Safe-Keeper. Looks interesting.

shadron · 6th December 2008, 07:35 AM

Originally Posted by Darth Rotor

...thanks for the tip, I'll try to catch the program, if not on this try on the next broadcast.

DR

You can view it from the website, if you've a mind to.

Safe-Keeper · 6th December 2008, 12:02 PM

Yup, it's up there for free.
Very interesting program so far.

MattusMaximus · 6th December 2008, 11:01 PM

Thanks for the link, SK.

I would also like to re-iterate the reference to Dr. Bart Ehrman's work on the early Christian religion. Very interesting stuff.

Hokulele · 7th December 2008, 04:27 PM

I think I saw that one when it first aired (earlier this year? last year?), and I remember it being very good, if a bit slow in places. I have just started working my way through Ehrman's Lost Christianities and Lost Scriptures (I have read two of his other books). Ehrman's opinions seem to have changed a bit over time, I am not sure if he considers Jesus so much of an apocalyptic as much as Paul or John.

Radrook · 7th December 2008, 06:53 PM

Originally Posted by Bikewer

....attracted sufficient crowds to worry the Romans, and annoy them mightily when he started talking about being the King of the Jews....

Roman annoyance wasn't the reason why Pilate crucified Jesus. Neither did Jesus go around saying he was king of the Jews. Haven't you read the Gospel accounts?

5th December 2008, 02:17 PM	#1
Safe-Keeper Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sogndal, Norway Posts: 7,120	From Jesus to Christ - the First Christians I'm currently watching this PBS Frontline documentary. It's about Jesus Christ and the advent of Christianity. It seems to be biased in that it seems to take as a fact that Jesus lived, but it's still incredibly interesting. Anyone else seen it?
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Darth Rotor Salted Sith Cynic Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Rat cheer Posts: 34,225	Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper I'm currently watching this PBS Frontline documentary. It's about Jesus Christ and the advent of Christianity. It seems to be biased in that it seems to take as a fact that Jesus lived, but it's still incredibly interesting. Anyone else seen it? That is hardly a bias. You, on the other hand, might want to check your own baggage at the door. That snarky remark aside, thanks for the tip, I'll try to catch the program, if not on this try on the next broadcast. DR
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Egg Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1,241	Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper I'm currently watching this PBS Frontline documentary. It's about Jesus Christ and the advent of Christianity. It seems to be biased in that it seems to take as a fact that Jesus lived, but it's still incredibly interesting. Anyone else seen it? Thanks for the link. I agree with DR. To make a documentary questioning the existence of Jesus using leading scholars on the subject would be a bit like trying to make a documentary questioning evolution using leading biologists.
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MattusMaximus Intellectual Gladiator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the midst of a vast, beautiful & uncaring universe Posts: 14,175	Thanks for the link, SK. I would also like to re-iterate the reference to Dr. Bart Ehrman's work on the early Christian religion. Very interesting stuff.
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5th December 2008, 05:44 PM	#2
Bikewer Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: St. Louis, Mo. Posts: 9,517	Have not. I'd be interested in seeing how it jives with the writings of Bart Ehrman. (Lost Christianities and many others) Ehrman is in the "there likely was a Jesus" camp, identifying him as a rabbi in the Apocalyptic tradition. Probably a charismatic fellow who attracted sufficient crowds to worry the Romans, and annoy them mightily when he started talking about being the King of the Jews....

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shadron Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 5,717	Originally Posted by Darth Rotor ...thanks for the tip, I'll try to catch the program, if not on this try on the next broadcast. DR You can view it from the website, if you've a mind to.

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Safe-Keeper Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sogndal, Norway Posts: 7,120	Yup, it's up there for free. Very interesting program so far.

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Hokulele Official Nemesis Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Trying to decide whether to set defenses against an army, or against mole rats. Posts: 27,265	I think I saw that one when it first aired (earlier this year? last year?), and I remember it being very good, if a bit slow in places. I have just started working my way through Ehrman's Lost Christianities and Lost Scriptures (I have read two of his other books). Ehrman's opinions seem to have changed a bit over time, I am not sure if he considers Jesus so much of an apocalyptic as much as Paul or John.
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Radrook Banned Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 4,834	Originally Posted by Bikewer ....attracted sufficient crowds to worry the Romans, and annoy them mightily when he started talking about being the King of the Jews.... Roman annoyance wasn't the reason why Pilate crucified Jesus. Neither did Jesus go around saying he was king of the Jews. Haven't you read the Gospel accounts?
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