Bigfoot DNA - Page 101

Jerrymander · 26th February 2013, 05:38 PM

So, looking back in genetic history and genomes is far more complicated than matching the DNA of one people to another (as in crime labs)?

RedRatSnake · 26th February 2013, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by Resume

This is great!

Thanks!

Dido ~

Tim

Jodie · 26th February 2013, 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by idoubtit

I found this gem conversation of evolutionary biologists critiquing the paper.

http://doubtfulnews.com/2013/02/brea...tch-sequences/

Panda DNA, where in the heck did she get that from? DNA are Us? Let's pick the most remote thing anyone could find in North America and mix it with human DNA?

Resume · 26th February 2013, 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by Jodie

Panda DNA, where in the heck did she get that from? DNA are Us? Let's pick the most remote thing anyone could find in North America and mix it with human DNA?

Humanda.

Jodie · 26th February 2013, 06:09 PM

Mutant panda DNA........it just seems so south park.

RedRatSnake · 26th February 2013, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by Jodie

Mutant panda DNA........it just seems so south park.

LOL ~ This just keeps getting better and better, I just about fell out of my chair when they said that about the Panda DNA~

Tim

Resume · 26th February 2013, 06:33 PM

They did talk about Ketchum (DVM) going to Gen Bank and cutting out sequences, but I don't know if that's possible.

Does anyone here?

StankApe · 26th February 2013, 06:42 PM

she probably went to the Genbank and tried to make a withdrawl

River · 26th February 2013, 07:27 PM

Youtube link to the fun for folks. If only they knew mulder from the bff, this wouldve been even funnier.

Breaking Bio Episode 19

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I AGREE

RedRatSnake · 26th February 2013, 07:42 PM

I didn't pick up on that at all, Way! TA Go ~River~ That is dead on muldur's spec's.

Tim

parnassus · 26th February 2013, 11:49 PM

Originally Posted by The Shrike

Sorry, I'm still sitting atop a big pile of turnips on this truck, and I've never heard of "Dreamland." (Looks like some kind of New Age-y woo-factory.)

I'd still like some info on this bleach thing. If TheMelba was perpetuating this level of fraud, i.e., intentionally manipulating the samples herself, then would she not be guilty of real, you're-going-to-jail fraud as opposed to "Sorry Your Honor, I actually was stupid enough to believe those samples had bigfoot DNA" fraud?

By "this bleach thing," are you are referring to what Justin Smeja says that Dr. Ketchum allegedly asked him to do to the remaining "Sierra steak", on speaker phone with three other witnesses? If you are, then "the bleach thing" is really the "bleach-formaldehyde-water thing."

As far as some other "info," I can tell you that one of the witnesses was so disgusted that he walked out shortly thereafter. Allegedly.

If she did it on purpose, surely she would have listed a reference to the original discoverers of the process. So I did look in the list of references at the end of the paper, to see if there were any that had key words or titles like,

Quote:

"How to make your DNA look like a hybrid of 4 different animals by using bleach, formaldehyde and water"

but I didn't find any. So that would be against her having done it on purpose. Of course, I could be wrong on that particular assumption.

I hope that helps. As far as the fraud/stupid dichotomy, I suggest that you ask a person who would have insights on that topic, and that person is Casey Mullens, the person listed as the editor of the journal that was created on Jan 4 and, according to Dr. Ketchum, was bought by her after doing an authentic peer review on her paper, and reworked into Denovo Scientific Journal. You find ~~Jimmy Hoffa~~ ~~Amelia Earhart ~~Santa Claus~~~~ Casey Mullins, and maybe your questions will be answered.

Jodie · 27th February 2013, 03:49 AM

Casey Mullins is just as elusive as bigfoot.

The Shrike · 27th February 2013, 05:47 AM

Thanks parnassus.

calwaterbear · 27th February 2013, 07:12 AM

Originally Posted by Jerrymander

So, looking back in genetic history and genomes is far more complicated than matching the DNA of one people to another (as in crime labs)?

Absolutely Jerry. ID is actually pretty simple and basic. You essentially look at 13 specific locations on the DNA - each of those locations contain a series of tandom repeats of DNA. The number of repeats is the key here. so you might have 6 repeats at location 1, , 22 repeats at location 2, 2 repeats at location 3 etc. Those number of repeats are pretty much random, so the chance of your numbers of repeats matching exactly anyone elses numbers of repeats at all locations - well thats almost impossible.

So thats what CODIS - the database used in criminolgy use. And the Military ID system as well.

Whole genomes, you are now dealing with 3 billion letters, and various places of those 3 billion letters can tell us alot about your evolutionary past, who you are related to, what species you belong too, what species you are most closely related too etc.

so in a nutshell - individual ID is pretty much stone dead simple. Species ID BTW is real simple too (unless you are melba, once she got the message loud and clear that she had human DNA - she had to go to woo woo land to try and justify continued fleecing of the old, infirm, and stupid!)

calwaterbear · 27th February 2013, 07:24 AM

So I doubtit posted this video, which is great, but It , just in passing , mentioned an unintended consequence of this paper, that I had never considered.

Originally Posted by idoubtit

http://doubtfulnews.com/2013/02/brea...tch-sequences/

So lets say you are a defense lawyer, and your client has been put away for life, or sentenced to death, based in part on DNA evidence.
And just for a moment, lets suppose the DNA work was done in any one of the labs that are associated with the co-authors of this study!

Any good defense attorney would immediately file an appeal based on "new evidence" and would haul the coauthor into court, easily demonstrate that the Melba paper is complete BS, and challenge the coauthor to prove that they were indeed competent, because the paper proves otherwise.

This changes the "lets pretend and fleece the uninformed game" into one that may have real consequences. If one single Defense attorney in Texas, or Michigan or wherever else the co authors are located, get wind of this - there is going to be hell to pay!

Congratulations Melba, this just became damned serious!
Robin, you better get on the phone right now, and you better make sure all of the co-authors know whats coming!
CWB

parnassus · 27th February 2013, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by The Shrike

Thanks parnassus.

yer welcome, ~~dude~~ ~~pal~~ ~~podna~~ ~~buddy~~ ~~bro~~ ~~my brother~~ ~~capn~~ ~~ma'am~~ ~~garcon~~ ~~homie~~ Doctor.

Sorry I couldn't be more helpful, but I think The Shadow said it best, back in the days of radio: "Who knows........?"

LTC8K6 · 27th February 2013, 10:56 AM

I know where she could have gotten some opossum DNA...

idoubtit · 27th February 2013, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by calwaterbear

So I doubtit posted this video, which is great, but It , just in passing , mentioned an unintended consequence of this paper, that I had never considered.

So lets say you are a defense lawyer, and your client has been put away for life, or sentenced to death, based in part on DNA evidence.
And just for a moment, lets suppose the DNA work was done in any one of the labs that are associated with the co-authors of this study!

Any good defense attorney would immediately file an appeal based on "new evidence" and would haul the coauthor into court, easily demonstrate that the Melba paper is complete BS, and challenge the coauthor to prove that they were indeed competent, because the paper proves otherwise.
...

Congratulations Melba, this just became damned serious!
CWB

Well, I didn't say that, the scientists in the video did. But it also struck me as rather important.

What I'm wondering is... how could 60% be "junk" that doesn't match up? Can someone explain that to me.

LTC8K6 · 27th February 2013, 01:03 PM

http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/myakka2011/

Let's not forget this sasquatch mask/costume when considering Matilda.

parnassus · 27th February 2013, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by The Shrike

Thanks parnassus.

Oh, I did find this reference: Cherones T. and David L. (1993) "Effects of various reagents on seinological laboratory tests."
I can't seem to cut and paste the relevant section so here is the link; just go there and use your search function repeatedly to find the phrase "test tube" (without the quotes). I think those passages will give you some insight into what may have happened, or you could read the whole thing, it's pretty interesting.

Journal of DNA Laboratory Procedures and Reagents, Vol 5 (7) p. 508.

You know me, Al....always glad to help.

parnassus · 27th February 2013, 04:20 PM

Well, shades of Goldilocks and the Three Bears:

Quote:

"who's been hybridizing in MY bed???"

you may want to visit the BFF. At post 572 (the number seems to be changing--its the one with all the colored letters), Tyler H. shows the homologies in a stretch of ThePaper's DNA to take a squint at what happens when, I suppose, (if this is real) Papa Bear finds Goldilocks in his bed. Personally, I favor the "son-of-a-bleach" explanation, over the "I had BigBear's Baby" rationale. But what do I know?

Yes, people, it's time to start laughing.* C'mon Mulder, even you have got to give it up now.

This whole thing is like, Cardiff Giant part II.

Quote:

Hull hired men to carve out a 10-foot-4.5-inch-long (3.2 m) block of gypsum in Fort Dodge, Iowa, telling them it was intended for a monument to Abraham Lincoln in New York. He shipped the block to Chicago, where he hired Edward Burghardt, a German stonecutter, to carve it into the likeness of a man and swore him to secrecy.

Various stains and acids were used to make the giant appear to be old and weathered, and the giant's surface was beaten with steel knitting needles embedded in a board to simulate pores. In November 1868, Hull transported the giant by rail to the farm of William Newell, his cousin. By then, he had spent US$2,600 on the hoax.

Nearly a year later, Newell hired Gideon Emmons and Henry Nichols, ostensibly to dig a well, and on October 16, 1869 they found the giant. One of the men reportedly exclaimed, "I declare, some old Indian has been buried here!"[2]
Exhibition and exposure as fraud

Newell set up a tent over the giant and charged 25 cents for people who wanted to see it. Two days later he increased the price to 50 cents.[2] People came by the wagon load.

Archaeological scholars pronounced the giant a fake, and some geologists even noticed that there was no good reason to try to dig a well in the exact spot the giant had been found. Yale palaeontologist Othniel C. Marsh called it "a most decided humbug". Some Christian fundamentalists and preachers, however, defended its authenticity.[3]

Eventually, Hull sold his part-interest for $23,000 (equivalent to $423,000 in 2013)

*OK, Wally, you don't have to.

StankApe · 27th February 2013, 04:28 PM

I think it's post 570 parn

Resume · 27th February 2013, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by parnassus

Well, shades of Goldilocks and the Three Bears:

you may want to visit the BFF. At post 572 (the number seems to be changing--its the one with all the colored letters), Tyler H. shows the homologies in a stretch of ThePaper's DNA to take a squint at what happens when, I suppose, (if this is real) Papa Bear finds Goldilocks in his bed. Personally, I favor the "son-of-a-bleach" explanation, over the "I had BigBear's Baby" rationale. But what do I know?

Yes, people, it's time to start laughing.* C'mon Mulder, even you have got to give it up now. This is Cardiff Giant part II.

*OK, Wally, you don't have to.

Ursus sapiens cognatus?

parnassus · 27th February 2013, 05:22 PM

This may be a good stopping point for me: 2565 posts, and things are right (or getting there) in the bigfoot world, it seems to me. I 'm gettin out before the next great incarnation of PT Barnum comes along with yet another Bigfoot sideshow attraction for me to get interested in.

I'd like to thank everyone for the information, opinions, insights, findings, and laughs...the Sheriff for keeping things in order around here, kitakaze for his inspired rants and actual research, calwaterbear for his dedication to truth, justice and the American way, The Shrike for his depth of knowledge, good humor and compassion, Drewbot for his energy and support, Tontar the fearless, and of course GT, Vort, Stank, Mike, Correa, LT, River, Red, idoubt, our departed BushPilot and AttorneyTom, jerry, Resume, RayG, ole Bill, Odinn and even converts Jodie and OS and dozens of others I can't recall right now. A special shout out goes to that birdguy sockpuppet "Cg" who flashed though our skies like a meteor, then crashed to earth. you all know who I mean. I loved him.

Particular respect of a different kind goes to Tyler H and Bert C, and to Justin Smeja; whatever else I might take issue with them on, they did the right thing on this, and that is not always easy to do. I hope they don't suffer for it.

Keep the fires burning...I'll see you ladies on down the road.

parnassus

RedRatSnake · 27th February 2013, 05:34 PM

Take Care Parn. Thanks for giving me a chance to turn things around, thanks for all the awesome posts, we will C Ya another day ~

Tim

River · 27th February 2013, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by parnassus

snarfed for brevity

Yes, people, it's time to start laughing.* C'mon Mulder, even you have got to give it up now.

*OK, Wally, you don't have to.

Certainly makes you wonder if there is a possibility of fraud depending on what type of contracts were drawn up between them. It'll be interesting to see that side of it play out. I hope Wally will be forthcoming publicly.

Jodie · 27th February 2013, 06:34 PM

Bye Parn, see you when the next "Big Thing" rolls around.

The Shrike · 28th February 2013, 06:59 AM

Originally Posted by parnassus

This whole thing is like, Cardiff Giant part II.

I've seen said giant on display at the Farmer's Museum in Cooperstown, NY. Very cool. http://www.farmersmuseum.org/

Laters, parnassus.

William Parcher · 28th February 2013, 07:05 AM

Originally Posted by parnassus

This may be a good stopping point for me: 2565 posts, and things are right (or getting there) in the bigfoot world, it seems to me. I 'm gettin out before the next great incarnation of PT Barnum comes along with yet another Bigfoot sideshow attraction for me to get interested in.

Take care man. If the Melba Saga takes a really wild turn I won't be surprised to see you back here.

Vortigern99 · 28th February 2013, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by parnassus

This may be a good stopping point for me: 2565 posts, and things are right (or getting there) in the bigfoot world, it seems to me. I 'm gettin out before the next great incarnation of PT Barnum comes along with yet another Bigfoot sideshow attraction for me to get interested in.

I'd like to thank everyone for the information, opinions, insights, findings, and laughs...the Sheriff for keeping things in order around here, kitakaze for his inspired rants and actual research, calwaterbear for his dedication to truth, justice and the American way, The Shrike for his depth of knowledge, good humor and compassion, Drewbot for his energy and support, Tontar the fearless, and of course GT, Vort, Stank, Mike, Correa, LT, River, Red, idoubt, our departed BushPilot and AttorneyTom, jerry, Resume, RayG, ole Bill, Odinn and even converts Jodie and OS and dozens of others I can't recall right now. A special shout out goes to that birdguy sockpuppet "Cg" who flashed though our skies like a meteor, then crashed to earth. you all know who I mean. I loved him.

Particular respect of a different kind goes to Tyler H and Bert C, and to Justin Smeja; whatever else I might take issue with them on, they did the right thing on this, and that is not always easy to do. I hope they don't suffer for it.

Keep the fires burning...I'll see you ladies on down the road.

parnassus

You sir are a class act. Fare thee well in whatever endeavor you choose to fill your days.

Drewbot · 28th February 2013, 01:00 PM

Drops mike, walks off stage.

LTC8K6 · 28th February 2013, 01:06 PM

Parn, see you down the road. Don't take any wooden sasquatch tokens.

Correa Neto · 28th February 2013, 01:08 PM

Fair winds and following seas and long may your big jib draw, Parnassus!

Jerrymander · 28th February 2013, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by Jodie

Panda DNA, where in the heck did she get that from? DNA are Us? Let's pick the most remote thing anyone could find in North America and mix it with human DNA?

They explain this. The giant panda is the only bear species to have its full genome sequenced hence when they tested Ketchum's novel DNA it's closest match was the panda. In other words, its bear DNA (likely black bear).

Jodie · 28th February 2013, 02:52 PM

Ahh thanks, I missed that part of it. It would have been funnier if she had just lifted some Panda DNA from a local zoo and mixed it in a blender.

jerrywayne · 28th February 2013, 03:32 PM

Happy trails, parn.

Graham2001 · 28th February 2013, 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by calwaterbear

So I doubtit posted this video, which is great, but It , just in passing , mentioned an unintended consequence of this paper, that I had never considered.

So lets say you are a defense lawyer, and your client has been put away for life, or sentenced to death, based in part on DNA evidence.
And just for a moment, lets suppose the DNA work was done in any one of the labs that are associated with the co-authors of this study!

Any good defense attorney would immediately file an appeal based on "new evidence" and would haul the coauthor into court, easily demonstrate that the Melba paper is complete BS, and challenge the coauthor to prove that they were indeed competent, because the paper proves otherwise.

This changes the "lets pretend and fleece the uninformed game" into one that may have real consequences. If one single Defense attorney in Texas, or Michigan or wherever else the co authors are located, get wind of this - there is going to be hell to pay!

Congratulations Melba, this just became damned serious!
Robin, you better get on the phone right now, and you better make sure all of the co-authors know whats coming!
CWB

Do the co-authors even exist?

tsig · 28th February 2013, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by Graham2001

Do the co-authors even exist?

Do the lab reports?

calwaterbear · 1st March 2013, 07:43 AM

Originally Posted by Graham2001

Do the co-authors even exist?

yes they do, the ones i contacted did some extraction work, sent the results to melba, but did no analysis, I have no idea how that qualified them as a co-author, thats just a Gel Jockey Job. I have no idea who actually did the analysis, and I have not contacted the labs who make there living off of doing work for law enforcement, i would be very interested to hear what they had to say about their credibility in a court of law!

HarryHenderson · 1st March 2013, 11:57 AM

I'm sorry to see Parnassus go. He's always been an intelligent contributor with a truly great sense of humor and whom I've made it a point to pay attention to. I'll have bet wrong if he never comes back.

26th February 2013, 05:38 PM	#4001
Jerrymander Scholar Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 75	So, looking back in genetic history and genomes is far more complicated than matching the DNA of one people to another (as in crime labs)?
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26th February 2013, 05:53 PM	#4003
Jodie Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 1,909	Originally Posted by idoubtit I found this gem conversation of evolutionary biologists critiquing the paper. http://doubtfulnews.com/2013/02/brea...tch-sequences/ Panda DNA, where in the heck did she get that from? DNA are Us? Let's pick the most remote thing anyone could find in North America and mix it with human DNA?
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26th February 2013, 06:05 PM	#4004
Resume Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 8,024	Originally Posted by Jodie Panda DNA, where in the heck did she get that from? DNA are Us? Let's pick the most remote thing anyone could find in North America and mix it with human DNA? Humanda.
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26th February 2013, 06:09 PM	#4005
Jodie Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 1,909	Mutant panda DNA........it just seems so south park.
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26th February 2013, 06:33 PM	#4007
Resume Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 8,024	They did talk about Ketchum (DVM) going to Gen Bank and cutting out sequences, but I don't know if that's possible. Does anyone here?
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26th February 2013, 05:52 PM	#4002
RedRatSnake Slithering Through life Join Date: May 2008 Location: Southie, Massachusetts. Posts: 1,625	Originally Posted by Resume This is great! Thanks! Dido ~ Tim

26th February 2013, 06:16 PM	#4006
RedRatSnake Slithering Through life Join Date: May 2008 Location: Southie, Massachusetts. Posts: 1,625	Originally Posted by Jodie Mutant panda DNA........it just seems so south park. LOL ~ This just keeps getting better and better, I just about fell out of my chair when they said that about the Panda DNA~ Tim

26th February 2013, 06:42 PM	#4008
StankApe Banned Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,643	she probably went to the Genbank and tried to make a withdrawl
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26th February 2013, 07:42 PM	#4010
RedRatSnake Slithering Through life Join Date: May 2008 Location: Southie, Massachusetts. Posts: 1,625	I didn't pick up on that at all, Way! TA Go ~River~ That is dead on muldur's spec's. Tim
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26th February 2013, 11:49 PM	#4011
parnassus Master Poster Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: California Posts: 2,565	Originally Posted by The Shrike Sorry, I'm still sitting atop a big pile of turnips on this truck, and I've never heard of "Dreamland." (Looks like some kind of New Age-y woo-factory.) I'd still like some info on this bleach thing. If TheMelba was perpetuating this level of fraud, i.e., intentionally manipulating the samples herself, then would she not be guilty of real, you're-going-to-jail fraud as opposed to "Sorry Your Honor, I actually was stupid enough to believe those samples had bigfoot DNA" fraud? By "this bleach thing," are you are referring to what Justin Smeja says that Dr. Ketchum allegedly asked him to do to the remaining "Sierra steak", on speaker phone with three other witnesses? If you are, then "the bleach thing" is really the "bleach-formaldehyde-water thing." As far as some other "info," I can tell you that one of the witnesses was so disgusted that he walked out shortly thereafter. Allegedly. If she did it on purpose, surely she would have listed a reference to the original discoverers of the process. So I did look in the list of references at the end of the paper, to see if there were any that had key words or titles like, Quote: "How to make your DNA look like a hybrid of 4 different animals by using bleach, formaldehyde and water" but I didn't find any. So that would be against her having done it on purpose. Of course, I could be wrong on that particular assumption. I hope that helps. As far as the fraud/stupid dichotomy, I suggest that you ask a person who would have insights on that topic, and that person is Casey Mullens, the person listed as the editor of the journal that was created on Jan 4 and, according to Dr. Ketchum, was bought by her after doing an authentic peer review on her paper, and reworked into Denovo Scientific Journal. You find ~~Jimmy Hoffa~~ ~~Amelia Earhart ~~Santa Claus~~~~ Casey Mullins, and maybe your questions will be answered.
	__________________ Never let the data encumber the plausibility. ---paraphrased from David Paulides "It will be politically charged though, I am sure as anytime something like this happens, it will get interesting".---TheMelba Last edited by parnassus; 27th February 2013 at 12:28 AM.

27th February 2013, 03:49 AM	#4012
Jodie Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 1,909	Casey Mullins is just as elusive as bigfoot.
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27th February 2013, 05:47 AM	#4013
The Shrike Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: USA Posts: 1,809	Thanks parnassus.

27th February 2013, 07:12 AM	#4014
calwaterbear Thinker Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 232	Originally Posted by Jerrymander So, looking back in genetic history and genomes is far more complicated than matching the DNA of one people to another (as in crime labs)? Absolutely Jerry. ID is actually pretty simple and basic. You essentially look at 13 specific locations on the DNA - each of those locations contain a series of tandom repeats of DNA. The number of repeats is the key here. so you might have 6 repeats at location 1, , 22 repeats at location 2, 2 repeats at location 3 etc. Those number of repeats are pretty much random, so the chance of your numbers of repeats matching exactly anyone elses numbers of repeats at all locations - well thats almost impossible. So thats what CODIS - the database used in criminolgy use. And the Military ID system as well. Whole genomes, you are now dealing with 3 billion letters, and various places of those 3 billion letters can tell us alot about your evolutionary past, who you are related to, what species you belong too, what species you are most closely related too etc. so in a nutshell - individual ID is pretty much stone dead simple. Species ID BTW is real simple too (unless you are melba, once she got the message loud and clear that she had human DNA - she had to go to woo woo land to try and justify continued fleecing of the old, infirm, and stupid!)
calwaterbear Thinker Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 232

27th February 2013, 07:24 AM	#4015
calwaterbear Thinker Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 232	Uh Oh, Melba frees convicted Murderers! So I doubtit posted this video, which is great, but It , just in passing , mentioned an unintended consequence of this paper, that I had never considered. Originally Posted by idoubtit http://doubtfulnews.com/2013/02/brea...tch-sequences/ So lets say you are a defense lawyer, and your client has been put away for life, or sentenced to death, based in part on DNA evidence. And just for a moment, lets suppose the DNA work was done in any one of the labs that are associated with the co-authors of this study! Any good defense attorney would immediately file an appeal based on "new evidence" and would haul the coauthor into court, easily demonstrate that the Melba paper is complete BS, and challenge the coauthor to prove that they were indeed competent, because the paper proves otherwise. This changes the "lets pretend and fleece the uninformed game" into one that may have real consequences. If one single Defense attorney in Texas, or Michigan or wherever else the co authors are located, get wind of this - there is going to be hell to pay! Congratulations Melba, this just became damned serious! Robin, you better get on the phone right now, and you better make sure all of the co-authors know whats coming! CWB
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27th February 2013, 10:31 AM	#4016
parnassus Master Poster Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: California Posts: 2,565	Originally Posted by The Shrike Thanks parnassus. yer welcome, ~~dude~~ ~~pal~~ ~~podna~~ ~~buddy~~ ~~bro~~ ~~my brother~~ ~~capn~~ ~~ma'am~~ ~~garcon~~ ~~homie~~ Doctor. Sorry I couldn't be more helpful, but I think The Shadow said it best, back in the days of radio: "Who knows........?"
	__________________ Never let the data encumber the plausibility. ---paraphrased from David Paulides "It will be politically charged though, I am sure as anytime something like this happens, it will get interesting".---TheMelba

27th February 2013, 10:56 AM	#4017
LTC8K6 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Directly under a deadly chemtrail Posts: 12,661	I know where she could have gotten some opossum DNA...
	__________________ What a fool believes, no wise man has the power to reason away. What seems to be, is always better than nothing. 2 prints, same midtarsal crock..., I mean break?

27th February 2013, 12:24 PM	#4018
idoubtit Critical Thinker Join Date: May 2007 Location: Central PA Posts: 318	Originally Posted by calwaterbear So I doubtit posted this video, which is great, but It , just in passing , mentioned an unintended consequence of this paper, that I had never considered. So lets say you are a defense lawyer, and your client has been put away for life, or sentenced to death, based in part on DNA evidence. And just for a moment, lets suppose the DNA work was done in any one of the labs that are associated with the co-authors of this study! Any good defense attorney would immediately file an appeal based on "new evidence" and would haul the coauthor into court, easily demonstrate that the Melba paper is complete BS, and challenge the coauthor to prove that they were indeed competent, because the paper proves otherwise. ... Congratulations Melba, this just became damned serious! CWB Well, I didn't say that, the scientists in the video did. But it also struck me as rather important. What I'm wondering is... how could 60% be "junk" that doesn't match up? Can someone explain that to me.
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27th February 2013, 01:03 PM	#4019
LTC8K6 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Directly under a deadly chemtrail Posts: 12,661	http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/myakka2011/ Let's not forget this sasquatch mask/costume when considering Matilda.
	__________________ What a fool believes, no wise man has the power to reason away. What seems to be, is always better than nothing. 2 prints, same midtarsal crock..., I mean break?

27th February 2013, 02:59 PM	#4020
parnassus Master Poster Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: California Posts: 2,565	Originally Posted by The Shrike Thanks parnassus. Oh, I did find this reference: Cherones T. and David L. (1993) "Effects of various reagents on seinological laboratory tests." I can't seem to cut and paste the relevant section so here is the link; just go there and use your search function repeatedly to find the phrase "test tube" (without the quotes). I think those passages will give you some insight into what may have happened, or you could read the whole thing, it's pretty interesting. Journal of DNA Laboratory Procedures and Reagents, Vol 5 (7) p. 508. You know me, Al....always glad to help.
	__________________ Never let the data encumber the plausibility. ---paraphrased from David Paulides "It will be politically charged though, I am sure as anytime something like this happens, it will get interesting".---TheMelba Last edited by parnassus; 27th February 2013 at 03:18 PM.

27th February 2013, 04:20 PM	#4021
parnassus Master Poster Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: California Posts: 2,565	Well, shades of Goldilocks and the Three Bears: Quote: "who's been hybridizing in MY bed???" you may want to visit the BFF. At post 572 (the number seems to be changing--its the one with all the colored letters), Tyler H. shows the homologies in a stretch of ThePaper's DNA to take a squint at what happens when, I suppose, (if this is real) Papa Bear finds Goldilocks in his bed. Personally, I favor the "son-of-a-bleach" explanation, over the "I had BigBear's Baby" rationale. But what do I know? Yes, people, it's time to start laughing.* C'mon Mulder, even you have got to give it up now. This whole thing is like, Cardiff Giant part II. Quote: Hull hired men to carve out a 10-foot-4.5-inch-long (3.2 m) block of gypsum in Fort Dodge, Iowa, telling them it was intended for a monument to Abraham Lincoln in New York. He shipped the block to Chicago, where he hired Edward Burghardt, a German stonecutter, to carve it into the likeness of a man and swore him to secrecy. Various stains and acids were used to make the giant appear to be old and weathered, and the giant's surface was beaten with steel knitting needles embedded in a board to simulate pores. In November 1868, Hull transported the giant by rail to the farm of William Newell, his cousin. By then, he had spent US$2,600 on the hoax. Nearly a year later, Newell hired Gideon Emmons and Henry Nichols, ostensibly to dig a well, and on October 16, 1869 they found the giant. One of the men reportedly exclaimed, "I declare, some old Indian has been buried here!"[2] Exhibition and exposure as fraud Newell set up a tent over the giant and charged 25 cents for people who wanted to see it. Two days later he increased the price to 50 cents.[2] People came by the wagon load. Archaeological scholars pronounced the giant a fake, and some geologists even noticed that there was no good reason to try to dig a well in the exact spot the giant had been found. Yale palaeontologist Othniel C. Marsh called it "a most decided humbug". Some Christian fundamentalists and preachers, however, defended its authenticity.[3] Eventually, Hull sold his part-interest for $23,000 (equivalent to $423,000 in 2013) *OK, Wally, you don't have to.
	__________________ Never let the data encumber the plausibility. ---paraphrased from David Paulides "It will be politically charged though, I am sure as anytime something like this happens, it will get interesting".---TheMelba Last edited by parnassus; 27th February 2013 at 04:43 PM.

27th February 2013, 04:28 PM	#4022
StankApe Banned Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,643	I think it's post 570 parn
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27th February 2013, 04:38 PM	#4023
Resume Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 8,024	Originally Posted by parnassus Well, shades of Goldilocks and the Three Bears: you may want to visit the BFF. At post 572 (the number seems to be changing--its the one with all the colored letters), Tyler H. shows the homologies in a stretch of ThePaper's DNA to take a squint at what happens when, I suppose, (if this is real) Papa Bear finds Goldilocks in his bed. Personally, I favor the "son-of-a-bleach" explanation, over the "I had BigBear's Baby" rationale. But what do I know? Yes, people, it's time to start laughing.* C'mon Mulder, even you have got to give it up now. This is Cardiff Giant part II. OK, Wally, you don't have to. Ursus sapiens cognatus*?
Resume Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 8,024

27th February 2013, 05:22 PM	#4024
parnassus Master Poster Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: California Posts: 2,565	This may be a good stopping point for me: 2565 posts, and things are right (or getting there) in the bigfoot world, it seems to me. I 'm gettin out before the next great incarnation of PT Barnum comes along with yet another Bigfoot sideshow attraction for me to get interested in. I'd like to thank everyone for the information, opinions, insights, findings, and laughs...the Sheriff for keeping things in order around here, kitakaze for his inspired rants and actual research, calwaterbear for his dedication to truth, justice and the American way, The Shrike for his depth of knowledge, good humor and compassion, Drewbot for his energy and support, Tontar the fearless, and of course GT, Vort, Stank, Mike, Correa, LT, River, Red, idoubt, our departed BushPilot and AttorneyTom, jerry, Resume, RayG, ole Bill, Odinn and even converts Jodie and OS and dozens of others I can't recall right now. A special shout out goes to that birdguy sockpuppet "Cg" who flashed though our skies like a meteor, then crashed to earth. you all know who I mean. I loved him. Particular respect of a different kind goes to Tyler H and Bert C, and to Justin Smeja; whatever else I might take issue with them on, they did the right thing on this, and that is not always easy to do. I hope they don't suffer for it. Keep the fires burning...I'll see you ladies on down the road. parnassus
	__________________ Never let the data encumber the plausibility. ---paraphrased from David Paulides "It will be politically charged though, I am sure as anytime something like this happens, it will get interesting".---TheMelba Last edited by parnassus; 27th February 2013 at 05:31 PM.

27th February 2013, 05:34 PM	#4025
RedRatSnake Slithering Through life Join Date: May 2008 Location: Southie, Massachusetts. Posts: 1,625	Take Care Parn. Thanks for giving me a chance to turn things around, thanks for all the awesome posts, we will C Ya another day ~ Tim

27th February 2013, 06:08 PM	#4026
River Master Poster Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 2,653	Originally Posted by parnassus snarfed for brevity Yes, people, it's time to start laughing.* C'mon Mulder, even you have got to give it up now. *OK, Wally, you don't have to. Certainly makes you wonder if there is a possibility of fraud depending on what type of contracts were drawn up between them. It'll be interesting to see that side of it play out. I hope Wally will be forthcoming publicly.
River Master Poster Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 2,653	__________________ “Don't believe everything you see on the Internet.” ― Abraham Lincoln

27th February 2013, 06:34 PM	#4027
Jodie Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 1,909	Bye Parn, see you when the next "Big Thing" rolls around.
Jodie Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 1,909	__________________ testis unus, testis nullus quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur

28th February 2013, 06:59 AM	#4028
The Shrike Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: USA Posts: 1,809	Originally Posted by parnassus This whole thing is like, Cardiff Giant part II. I've seen said giant on display at the Farmer's Museum in Cooperstown, NY. Very cool. http://www.farmersmuseum.org/ Laters, parnassus.

28th February 2013, 07:05 AM	#4029
William Parcher Show me the monkey! Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 8,504	Originally Posted by parnassus This may be a good stopping point for me: 2565 posts, and things are right (or getting there) in the bigfoot world, it seems to me. I 'm gettin out before the next great incarnation of PT Barnum comes along with yet another Bigfoot sideshow attraction for me to get interested in. Take care man. If the Melba Saga takes a really wild turn I won't be surprised to see you back here.
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28th February 2013, 10:27 AM	#4030
Vortigern99 Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 5,019	Originally Posted by parnassus This may be a good stopping point for me: 2565 posts, and things are right (or getting there) in the bigfoot world, it seems to me. I 'm gettin out before the next great incarnation of PT Barnum comes along with yet another Bigfoot sideshow attraction for me to get interested in. I'd like to thank everyone for the information, opinions, insights, findings, and laughs...the Sheriff for keeping things in order around here, kitakaze for his inspired rants and actual research, calwaterbear for his dedication to truth, justice and the American way, The Shrike for his depth of knowledge, good humor and compassion, Drewbot for his energy and support, Tontar the fearless, and of course GT, Vort, Stank, Mike, Correa, LT, River, Red, idoubt, our departed BushPilot and AttorneyTom, jerry, Resume, RayG, ole Bill, Odinn and even converts Jodie and OS and dozens of others I can't recall right now. A special shout out goes to that birdguy sockpuppet "Cg" who flashed though our skies like a meteor, then crashed to earth. you all know who I mean. I loved him. Particular respect of a different kind goes to Tyler H and Bert C, and to Justin Smeja; whatever else I might take issue with them on, they did the right thing on this, and that is not always easy to do. I hope they don't suffer for it. Keep the fires burning...I'll see you ladies on down the road. parnassus You sir are a class act. Fare thee well in whatever endeavor you choose to fill your days.
	__________________ "I'm 'willing to admit' any fact that can be shown to be evidential and certain." -- Vortigern99 / Noah D. Henson "One thing we've learned (and the Internet confirms this) is that humans will screw just about anything." -- Theagenes

28th February 2013, 01:00 PM	#4031
Drewbot Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,846	Drops mike, walks off stage.
Drewbot Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,846	__________________ "I dont call that evolution, I call that the survival of the fittest." - Bulletmaker "I thought skeptics would usually point towards a hoax rather than a group being duped." - makaya325 Kit is not a skeptic. He is a former Bigfoot believer that changed his position to that of non believer.- Crowlogic

28th February 2013, 01:06 PM	#4032
LTC8K6 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Directly under a deadly chemtrail Posts: 12,661	Parn, see you down the road. Don't take any wooden sasquatch tokens.
	__________________ What a fool believes, no wise man has the power to reason away. What seems to be, is always better than nothing. 2 prints, same midtarsal crock..., I mean break?

28th February 2013, 01:08 PM	#4033
Correa Neto Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Hunting rocks somewhere in Brazil Posts: 7,176	Fair winds and following seas and long may your big jib draw, Parnassus!
	__________________ Racism, sexism, ignorance, homophobia, intolerance, extremism, authoritarianism, environmental disasters, politically correct crap, violence at sport stadiums, slavery, poverty, wars, people who disagree with me: Together we can find the cure Oh, and together we can find a cure to religion too…

28th February 2013, 01:16 PM	#4034
Jerrymander Scholar Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 75	Originally Posted by Jodie Panda DNA, where in the heck did she get that from? DNA are Us? Let's pick the most remote thing anyone could find in North America and mix it with human DNA? They explain this. The giant panda is the only bear species to have its full genome sequenced hence when they tested Ketchum's novel DNA it's closest match was the panda. In other words, its bear DNA (likely black bear).
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28th February 2013, 02:52 PM	#4035
Jodie Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 1,909	Ahh thanks, I missed that part of it. It would have been funnier if she had just lifted some Panda DNA from a local zoo and mixed it in a blender.
Jodie Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 1,909	__________________ testis unus, testis nullus quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur

28th February 2013, 03:32 PM	#4036
jerrywayne Critical Thinker Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 340	Happy trails, parn.