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Old 7th November 2003, 02:19 PM   #41
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Name any president since Lincoln who did better for the country than winning World War II.
We were dragged into WW2. It pulled the economy out of its slump, not socialism. And finally, FDR as CIC during WW2 was less than impressive.

FDR's legacy is the cold war, genocide behind the iron curtain, and unmaintable entitlement programs.

Think how much better off the world would be today if we had nipped communism (or the military dictatorships posing as such) in the bud early. China, North Korea, Vietnam, etc, etc.

Truman and Ike deserve some props too for no eradicating this scourge.

Of course, hindsight is always 20/20.
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Old 7th November 2003, 02:19 PM   #42
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What about it? Do you honestly think 8 months is enough time to restructure the CIA? Bush may have dragged his feet, but the blame is clinton's (and to a lesser extent the whole government during clinton's presidency.)
I don't think any president is to blame for 9/11. If I had told people on 9/10, "Hey, what if a group of terrorists hijack a bunch of planes and slam them into skyscrapers?", I would have been told to stop reading so many Clive Cussler novels. No one saw it coming, trying to place blame for it on anyone except the hijackers and the leadership of Al Qeada is pointless.

The important question is "How did GWB handle the crisis?" and I think we will have to wait for the verdict of history on that one.
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It doesn’t matter, the storm was brewing under Clinton's watch, he let it happen. The fact that it came to fruition while Bush was in office (less than a year) is irrelevant when trying to place blame.
Here is a simple fill-in-the-blank, Tony: if Clinton's failure to apprehend Osama bin Laden is evidence of ineptitude, then G.W. Bush's failure to apprehend Osama bin Laden is evidence of _______.
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Old 7th November 2003, 02:20 PM   #44
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Bush has been there for 3 years now. He hasnt cleaned house with the CIA or FBI. They cant even find, Bin Ladin, Saddam, the anthrax mailer, weapons of mass destruction, OR even the damn leaks in his own admin. I suppose thats all Clintons fault too.

If you cant blame the guy at the top, who can you blame?
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The fact that Bush has the most votes goes to show the amount of emotional baggage and intellectual dishonesty on this forum. So much for skepticism.
Uh, sorry dude but looking at the list above I can't think of any other president that has done so much damage in so little time. Or was as outright incompetent and scary.
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We were dragged into WW2. It pulled the economy out of its slump, not socialism. And finally, FDR as CIC during WW2 was less than impressive.

FDR's legacy is the cold war, genocide behind the iron curtain, and unmaintable entitlement programs.

Think how much better off the world would be today if we had nipped communism (or the military dictatorships posing as such) in the bud early. China, North Korea, Vietnam, etc, etc.

Truman and Ike deserve some props too for no eradicating this scourge.

Of course, hindsight is always 20/20.


Another one of those that thinks we should have sided with the Nazis....

FDR's legacy was not the Cold War, as FDR had plans to cooperate with the Russians

After FDR died his opponents took over.

The world would be a better place had we helped Ho Chi Minh gain freedom from the French, allowed the Cubans to have their own representative government instead of installing Batista, not propped up fascist dictators all over teh world for the past 50 years, and not adopted the stupid fascist State here in America.

Just think, we could be a nice big happy Socialist family by now had FDR stuck around a little longer hehe
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Old 7th November 2003, 02:34 PM   #47
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Tough call, I had to say W.

None of the others did EVERYTHING bad.
Bush has not done everything bad. When I visited D.C. recently, I saw the Education Department building. It had a front entrance altered to highlight the "No Child Left Behind" program. While this program is not actually doing any good, it at least SOUNDS like it is doing something good. To top it off, it actually sounds like an idea that the great Clinton might have come up with (of course he would have actually tried to accomplish something rather than having it be a program in name only, but that's another discussion).

So kudos to Bush on that one.
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None did anything bad? Even Nixon, or Linden Johnson? I know you don't open history books, but you bi*** and moan about Vietnam all the time, one would think you'd have a problem with the leadership that allowed it to go on and on.
Can you read dude?

I said none of the others, asside from W, did EVERYTHING (I even had it in all caps ) bad.

W. has done EVERYTHING bad. Even Johnson and Reagan and Bush Sr. did some things good.

I can't name a single good thing Bush has done, and many bad ones. I named Johenson 3rd on the list fool, what are you talking about? Man, get some reading skills.
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Can you read dude?

I said none of the others, asside from W, did EVERYTHING (I even had it in all caps ) bad.

W. has done EVERYTHING bad. Even Johnson and Reagan and Bush Sr. did some things good.

I can't name a single good thing Bush has done, and many bad ones. I named Johenson 3rd on the list fool, what are you talking about? Man, get some reading skills.
Well maybe because you think Bush is an evil man instead of a president who made poor decision on faulty intelligence. You probably overlook the fact that Bush has spent more on Social Programs than Clinton or proposed substantial Medicare benefits to seniors. There's also Liberia and aid packages to Africa...However, I am sure you can say how very evil Bush was doing all that, oil is somehow involved no doubt as well.
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Old 7th November 2003, 02:42 PM   #50
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Alexander Haig, I think his term of office was < 15Mins.
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Old 7th November 2003, 02:52 PM   #51
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"Well maybe because you think Bush is an evil man "

Wow this guy reads minds ...QUICK somebody call Randi!!!!
Bush is not an evil man. Bush is a right wing idiolog who really, REALLY, believes what he thinks and does is correct.

We are all victims of men who belive that they are right-Barbra Tuckman

There is nothing more dangerous that a fanatic.
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Alexander Haig, I think his term of office was < 15Mins.
ROTFL.
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Old 7th November 2003, 02:54 PM   #53
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Do you honestly think 8 months is enough time to restructure the CIA?
Bush didn't seem to think that a restructuring of the CIA was necessary. Why else would he have gone on a 1 month vacation?
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While Dubya is truly wretched, he can't (yet) approach the level of dishonesty, idiocy and downright hatefulness of the Reagan administration. A few highlights.
  • Deregulated the Savings and Loans industry. His cronies pocketed millions and the taxpayers had to bail out institutions that failed because of this. The most expensive government bailout of all time.
  • Increased government spending (mostly military) to then unheard of levels while passing a tax cut which mostly benefitted the wealthy (sound familiar?). This resulted in the largest deficit until The Shrub tried using the same math.
  • Sold arms to the people who had held our citizens captive for over a year. Took the profits from those sales to finance The Contras, a group of "freedom fighters" who were basically terrorists.
  • Had a fundamentalist for the head of the Department of the Interior. James Watt stated publicly that we should use all of our resources because it wouldn't be long untill God would call us home anyway. Watt pretty much handed over the henhouse to the foxes.
  • Made national policy decisions based on astrology.
  • His "voo-doo economics" gave the economy a short-term boost, but ultimately led to the recession that doomed his successor, who had coined the term.
  • His idea of drug policy was "just say no".
  • Illegally sold nuclear weapons to Pakistan (this was actually worse than the Iran-Contra scam, but not as well known.)
  • Star Wars missile defense is worse than useless, except at lining the pockets of military contractors.
  • Used manufactured stories to make himself look good. Sadly, he believed many of these stories.
  • Still holds the record for most indictments for perjury and obstruction of justice than any other administration. (Which is remarkable, considering the amount of time an money spent trying to dig up dirt on Clinton.)
  • Claimed German SS soldiers were just as much Nazi victims as the Jews.
I could name many more examples. And don't even get me started on Nancy...
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Another one of those that thinks we should have sided with the Nazis....
Don't say anything to someone on a forum that you wouldn't have the guts to say to that someone's face. I doubt you would say this to mine since I would wind up rearranging yours. Just a tip.
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I think I am going to agree with Tony that anyone who thinks everything Bush has done is bad is obviously not a critical thinker. Then again, the same is true most likely for someone who thinks he has done nothing wrong.

Malachi, Chinese, etc, just marks. Sorry guys, you might not believe in ghosts or god, but you sure believe in the mythical burning Bush who does everything wrong.
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I voted Carter. Great person bad president.
Except that he made homebrewing legal again.

But yes, even though I have great respect for him, the country sickened every day he was in office.
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Except that he made homebrewing legal again.

But yes, even though I have great respect for him, the country sickened every day he was in office.
It was a tough choice between Carter and Ford. Thats got be the weakest race of this century.
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It was a tough choice between Carter and Ford. Thats got be the weakest race of this century.
I actually thought Ford was a pretty good president, aside from the pardoning Nixon thing, which was a political necessity. He was not hamstrung by stuff he had said during his campaign and the worst you could say of him was that he was clumsy. He's the only Republican I have ever voted for. Of course, the big story of his short tenure was when his wife Betty admitted to alcoholism, and a whole nation started to get their dirty little secrets out of the closet.
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Don't say anything to someone on a forum that you wouldn't have the guts to say to that someone's face. I doubt you would say this to mine since I would wind up rearranging yours. Just a tip.
What a load fo crap.

"We were dragged into WWII."

Period, you said it.

Yes, in fact we WERE dragged into WWII, and FOR GOOD REASON!

As tony's sig says "The peace camp is decidedly pro-fascist."

That was a situaiton where you supported the fascists and wanted to stay out, or you recognized their wrongness and knew they had to be stopped.

YOU, apparently are saying we should not have gotten in.

There is olny ONE type of person who thinks we should not have gotten in, NAZI SYMPATHISERS!

There is no other choice, either you are agaisnt them, and glad we got in to stop them, or you didn't want us to get in, in which case its equal to support of them.







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Lindbergh began a tour of Europe in 1935 and in 1936 he attended the Olympic games in Berlin as a guest of Hermann Georing. Lindbergh became so impressed with Nazi society in 1936 that he strongly considered moving to Berlin as he noted in his personal diary. Lindbergh stayed in Germany for some time and inspected German military facilities, accessed the German Luftwaffe, and attended parties hosted by the Nazis. In 1938 he was given the Service Cross of the German Eagle while attending a dinner party in Berlin.

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"In order to defeat Germany and Japan we supported the still greater menaces of Russia and China - which now confront us in a nuclear weapon era. The British empire has broken down with great suffering, bloodshed and confusion. France has had to give up her major colonies and turn to a mild dictatorship herself."

"Much of our Western culture was destroyed. We lost the genetic heredity formed through eons of many million lives. Meanwhile, the Soviets have dropped their Iron Curtain to screen off Eastern Europe, and an antagonistic Chinese Government threatens us in Asia.

"More than a generation after the war's end, our occupying armies still must occupy, and the world has not been made safe for democracy and freedom. On the contrary, our own system democratic government is being challenged by that greatest of dangers to any government - internal coordinating and unrest.

"It is alarmingly possible that World War II marks the beginning of our Western civilization's breakdown..."
Maybe you two could have tea togther?
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The fact that Bush has the most votes goes to show the amount of emotional baggage and intellectual dishonesty on this forum. So much for skepticism.
This is the most intellectually dishonest answer and reeks of your emotional baggage. People have the right to evaluate their government, past and current, and as people have different views, the choice is up to the individual. So just because you don't agree with someone's opinion does neither make their decision emotional baggage or intellectually dishonest.
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That was a situaiton where you supported the fascists and wanted to stay out, or you recognized their wrongness and knew they had to be stopped.

YOU, apparently are saying we should not have gotten in.
You sir, are a moron. The sad thing is, that not really an ad hominem but an accurate conclusion based on repeated observation. Go play with your ball.
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I gotta go with an underdog... JFK. Just a horrible presidency from beginning to end, regardless of what the retcon has been.
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It was a tough choice between Carter and Ford. Thats got be the weakest race of this century.
Ford was largely nugatory. For the times, though, I think that was just fine.

A lot of people dislike Nixon. I think in retrospect it wasn't so much that he was a bad President (which he was), but that he was the last bad President before the Baby Boomers discovered cocaine and tax-free municipal bonds.
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I gotta go with an underdog... JFK. Just a horrible presidency from beginning to end, regardless of what the retcon has been.
I considered him as well, my opinion on JFK is that the reason he is so well thought of is that he was cut down at the height of his career. It seems to me that we Americans have a soft spot for anyone who is killed when they are at their height.

I couldn't call him the worst though. I do have to give him 50% of the credit for the Cuban Missle Crisis not becoming a nuclear war.
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I voted for Carter because he was the only president ever to get the triple-double:

Double digit unemployment, inflation and interest rates.

He was also too much of a Jesus freak for me, but a different flavor than Bush.

His one shining moment was the way he handled the Three Mile Island incident.
Oh, and the Camp David accords, which brought lasting peace to the Middle East.

He's much more useful building houses for charity.
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Well maybe because you think Bush is an evil man instead of a president who made poor decision on faulty intelligence. You probably overlook the fact that Bush has spent more on Social Programs than Clinton or proposed substantial Medicare benefits to seniors. There's also Liberia and aid packages to Africa...However, I am sure you can say how very evil Bush was doing all that, oil is somehow involved no doubt as well.
Those of us who actually think social programs are useful would be a little more willing to give W credit, except that he and his Bananna Republicans appear to be trying to deliberately bankrupt our government, thus forcing us to cancel these programs later on.
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I considered him as well, my opinion on JFK is that the reason he is so well thought of is that he was cut down at the height of his career. It seems to me that we Americans have a soft spot for anyone who is killed when they are at their height.

I couldn't call him the worst though. I do have to give him 50% of the credit for the Cuban Missle Crisis not becoming a nuclear war.
A little thing called the Apollo program is his too.
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A little thing called the Apollo program is his too.
Yep. I had forgotten about that one.
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I voted for Carter because he was the only president ever to get the triple-double:

Double digit unemployment, inflation and interest rates.
A whole lot of that was because of the OPEC crisis. I don't think his policies led to that. Besides, as Bush apologists like to point out, the financial impact of a president's policies is somewhat delayed, and it is cyclic.

However, Carter dealt with this crisis in an unusual way. He asked the American people to buckle down and use less energy, and he led by example. This type of leadership was met with a resounding "Hell no!" by the American people.

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He was also too much of a Jesus freak for me, but a different flavor than Bush.
He was, but he was very private. He never (to my recollection) used his religion as a reason for his policies, and he didn't use "God" in every other sentence. Neither did he try to replace government programs with "faith based initiatives."

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His one shining moment was the way he handled the Three Mile Island incident.
Well, he was a nuclear specialist after all (in the Navy). However, I don't give him many points for this. Tragedy tends to unite the people behind a president, however undeserving.

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IOh, and the Camp David accords, which brought lasting peace to the Middle East.
Well, it did last longer than most. Reagan never really had to deal with the problem because of the Camp David accords.

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He's much more useful building houses for charity.
I agree that he is the best ex-president we've ever had.

One thing you didn't mention was his ill-fated attempt to rescue the hostages. The attempt failed, and Carter was excoriated by the left for trying and by the right for failing. In my mind, it was a brave thing to do and the right thing to do. The fact that it failed was not really his fault. In fact, it had a low chance of succeeding, meaning that it was likely to harm him politically, but he did it anyway, because it was the right thing to do. Compare this to Reagan, who gave the Iranians weapons and tried to cover it up.
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Those of us who actually think social programs are useful would be a little more willing to give W credit, except that he and his Bananna Republicans appear to be trying to deliberately bankrupt our government, thus forcing us to cancel these programs later on.
I highly doubt, my opinion is that he did that to get re-elected.
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Old 7th November 2003, 04:55 PM   #72
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I have a friend who admires Nixon because his was the last administration under which pot was cheap and plentiful.

I voted for Nixon for the previously mentioned reasons as well as his bigotry and the stupidity of actually recording his bigotted statements. He tops my list despite the old Vulcan saying, "Only Nixon could have gone to China."
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Old 7th November 2003, 04:56 PM   #73
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Hey guys, try to top this: under Dubya's regime, The USA failed to qualify for Olympic baseball.. Since Dubya's been in office a couple years now, I don't think Tony will be able to successfully blame this one on Clinton.

But I'm waiting to see him try.
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Old 7th November 2003, 04:57 PM   #74
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I think I am going to agree with Tony that anyone who thinks everything Bush has done is bad is obviously not a critical thinker. Then again, the same is true most likely for someone who thinks he has done nothing wrong.

Malachi, Chinese, etc, just marks. Sorry guys, you might not believe in ghosts or god, but you sure believe in the mythical burning Bush who does everything wrong.
Bush's approach to leadership is amateurish and seems to have been learned by watching bad movies. The gaping political divisions in this country, and around the world, are or ought to be clues to his horrible leadership skills.

He rarely listens to what the public has to say (the statement that his news is all filtered through his staff confirmed my worst fears), and just as rarely has the stones to put himself in front of critics -- this also speaks volumes about his inability to lead.

A leader has to be able to answer criticism, and Bush seems to me to be actually afraid of doing so. He's afraid to hear bad things about himself, and he's got no real interest in explaining his actions to the rest of us. When he goes in front of the press like he did today and makes some speech about Democracy in the middle east, I just shrug. I don't believe a word of it. I don't trust that he actually knows what he's talking about. I don't trust that he is saying what he means. Three years have taught me not to.

I voted him as the worst because I have been perpetually ill at ease, and sometimes viscerally frightened of what's going on around me, ever since he took office, and my fear and uneasiness are directly related to him and his obvious inability to cope with reality. It has nothing to do with his party -- I would have happily voted for a Republican like McCain because he had lived in the real world. I know that Bush has not. I know that he does not think of things in terms of cause and effect, and has no clue what the real consequences of his actions are because he has been shielded from this all his life by his family connections and wealth. He has never had to really suffer for his mistakes. Three years ago I was nervous about that. Now, I find my fears are completely vindicated. He is as tactless, reckless, and dangerous as I imagined him to be. If things go well for him, it certainly isn't due to his command of the situation.
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Old 7th November 2003, 05:06 PM   #75
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Re: Who is the worst president since 1950

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Who is the worst president since 1950? I use that date because I am limited to ten catagories in the poll, but probably not many of us have political memories beyond that. I'll let you guys start the discussion.
I can't vote, because they are each awful in their own way. Eisenhower was in office when I was born. All I know about him is that stuff he said about the "military industrial complex". He was right on with that.
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I highly doubt, my opinion is that he did that to get re-elected.
See, the bill won't really come due until he's safely out of office. When it does, we will be faced with a decision: cut spending, or raise taxes. A political climate where taxes are the very sludge of evil is a tough place to do that, so the decision will (by this logic) be to cut spending, starting with Medicare or Medicaid, or Social Security. We will have to decide, see.

I don't think it's a very clever tactic, but it nonetheless seems to be part of someone's plan. It's entirely unworkable, of course, and in my opinion will lead not to a drowning of the government but to a social crisis the like of which I care not to contemplate.
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One thing you didn't mention was his ill-fated attempt to rescue the hostages. The attempt failed, and Carter was excoriated by the left for trying and by the right for failing. In my mind, it was a brave thing to do and the right thing to do. The fact that it failed was not really his fault. In fact, it had a low chance of succeeding, meaning that it was likely to harm him politically, but he did it anyway, because it was the right thing to do.
Eagle Claw? I've no beef with Carter (I can barely remember him) but surely this was one of the most ill-planned military exercises ever? Insistance on having every branch of the US military represented led to the Marine Corps flying the helicopters through sandstorms, the US forces based themselves so close to a road they ended up taking hostages of their own when a civilian bus drove by and if everything went according to plan and the hostages were rescued, Iran could just kidnap another 30-odd westerners from the hundreds still living in Iran at the time?

I have no answer to the hostage situation, but the one Cater tried seems spectacularly botched.
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One thing you didn't mention was his ill-fated attempt to rescue the hostages. The attempt failed, and Carter was excoriated by the left for trying and by the right for failing. In my mind, it was a brave thing to do and the right thing to do. The fact that it failed was not really his fault. In fact, it had a low chance of succeeding, meaning that it was likely to harm him politically, but he did it anyway, because it was the right thing to do. Compare this to Reagan, who gave the Iranians weapons and tried to cover it up.
I didn't mention that because though it was a valiant attempt, the copters crashed in the desert. Who knows what would have happened if they had made it to Tehran? So I can't blame or credit him for this.

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A whole lot of that was because of the OPEC crisis. I don't think his policies led to that. Besides, as Bush apologists like to point out, the financial impact of a president's policies is somewhat delayed, and it is cyclic.
Usually, but there is one exception - when that president puts an incompetent buffoon in charge of the Fed, which Carter did in 1978 when he appointed G. William Miller as Fed chairman. Miller, in true Keynsian fashion, pursued a loose-money policy that caused inflation to soar (it had been falling under previous chairman Arthur Burns) and caused the 2nd OPEC crisis in 1979. Interest rates soared to 21.5% (that's the prime rate) that year! Carter then realized his mistake, but couldn't fire Miller. So he appointed him to Treasury Secretary (!) and hired Paul Volcker (a Milton Friedman monetarist) who immediately tightened the $$ supply to keep inflation down.

This is when Reagan came into office, who you despise so much Tricky. But Reagan was also a Friedman monetarist and kept Volcker and his policies even though he knew it would cause a recession, which it did. But it also permanently ended the high inflation of that era and paved the way for the growth in the 80's and beyond. When Volckers' term was up Reagan picked Alan Greenspan as Fed chairman, and every president to date has re-appointed him for good reason.

Greenspan (and so also Reagan who appointed him) really gets credit for Fed policies that kept inflation at bay and thus allowed the growth we've seen since, the tech bubble burst notwithstanding (the tech bubble burst was not his fault, he had warned about it several years earlier).

And I am not a Bush apologist, keep that up and I'll repost the score of the NIU-Alabama game earlier this season.
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It has nothing to do with his party -- I would have happily voted for a Republican like McCain because he had lived in the real world.
I agree with you on that. As I said in another thread, I was very surprised when Bush won the Republican nomination. I thought that the primaries were supposed to weed out all of the stupid and/or incompetent candidates? I guess I was wrong. I was surprised that someone like Bush could win the presidency in a country like the US. I guess democracy only works well when the electorate are intelligent.
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I heard a bit on NPR about a judge that the Reagan administration wanted to promote to the D.C. circuit court. I believe her name was Brown. She is a black conservative.

Although she had been serving as a judge for years at a lower (state?) court level, she did not understand that the 14th amendment extended the protections of the Bill of Rights to actions by the state goeernments as well as the federal gov't. She also did not understand that states may issue more protection to their citizens than provided by the Bill of Rights. This woman was completely unqualified and received the lowest possible rating from the American Bar Association.

Whatever qualifications caused the Bush adminsitration to select her fro promotion, competence was not among them.
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