Bigfoot: The Patterson Gimlin Film - Part 3

JcR · 9th January 2009, 04:04 PM

I find it interesting... Esteban Sarmiento talks of how dermal ridges
and scars etc can be faked. Just skip Chilcutt and go to 2:03 in the video.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=M15H9WGzWbw

And if you're really bored watch this. Seven parts,,, if you can take the torture.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=GHK2O6...eature=related

mangler · 9th January 2009, 04:05 PM

Logic,

Great image!

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makaya325 · 9th January 2009, 04:35 PM

JCR, the ngc program is heavily biased. It is a travesty to the serious researchers. Why didnt it present the freeman and klamath footage? Why not the hair morphology? The gaussian curve?

kitakaze · 9th January 2009, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by JcR

I find it interesting... Esteban Sarmiento talks of how dermal ridges
and scars etc can be faked. Just skip Chilcutt and go to 2:03 in the video.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=M15H9WGzWbw

Whenever Chilcutt talks he reminds me of a certain someone (skip Doug, go to 00:40):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnZDm...eature=related

Quote:

And if you're really bored watch this. Seven parts,,, if you can take the torture.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=GHK2O6...eature=related

I actually sat through part one. You hurt my brain.

JcR · 9th January 2009, 04:50 PM

LMAO... I suffered through all 7

JcR · 9th January 2009, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by makaya325

JCR, the ngc program is heavily biased. It is a travesty to the serious researchers. Why didnt it present the freeman and klamath footage? Why not the hair morphology? The gaussian curve?

Skip to 14:20

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=RKfuZepS68A

And this isn't a travesty to researchers ?

makaya325 · 9th January 2009, 05:25 PM

Jc, a man trying to imitate something is a travesty? Come on, ask anyone to do that, and all of them sound like complete morons, yet that doesnt mean there wrong.

kitakaze · 9th January 2009, 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by makaya325

Jc, a man trying to imitate something is a travesty? Come on, ask anyone to do that, and all of them sound like complete morons, yet that doesnt mean there wrong.

Yet you said that Bigfoot is extinct. That would make them wrong, right?

makaya325 · 9th January 2009, 05:57 PM

Kitz, thats not the point. The point is that people are no more credible or less credible when they imitate a sound

rockinkt · 9th January 2009, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by makaya325

JCR, the ngc program is heavily biased. It is a travesty to the serious researchers. Why didnt it present the freeman and klamath footage? Why not the hair morphology? The gaussian curve?

Makaya - please explain - in your own words - why each of those is good evidence and why it should be referenced by serious researchers.

JcR · 9th January 2009, 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by makaya325

Jc, a man trying to imitate something is a travesty? Come on, ask anyone to do that, and all of them sound like complete morons, yet that doesnt mean there wrong.

It is not an example of being wrong...I don't think they need help
in that department anyways.

makaya325 · 9th January 2009, 06:10 PM

Rockin, the hairs are similiar to human, except that all 11 lack medullas, are thicker, cut, tapered ends.

JcR · 9th January 2009, 06:20 PM

Imitating sounds is just that...
And credibility is another creature altogether.

rockinkt · 9th January 2009, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by makaya325

Rockin, the hairs are similiar to human, except that all 11 lack medullas,
are thicker, cut, tapered ends.

Human hair can lack medullas.
In other words - the lack of a medulla does not rule out the hairs being human.

What to heck does "thicker" mean?
Are you referring to the Maximum Shaft Diameter?
Is that measurement outside of known human hair?
If so - by how much? (Please cite reference)

Ummm..."cut". Please explain what you meant by that.

Tapered ends...do you mean the distal hair tip is tapered?
Human hair can have naturally occurring taper.
Is it a Natural Taper or a Rounded Taper?

makaya325 · 9th January 2009, 07:08 PM

Rockin, 11 different hairs have features that are different from human hair

http://bfro.net/images/whatis/figure...%20caption.jpg

kitakaze · 9th January 2009, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by makaya325

Rockin, 11 different hairs have features that are different from human hair

http://bfro.net/images/whatis/figure...%20caption.jpg

I thought you said the BFRO is crap, now you're using them for reference?

rockinkt · 9th January 2009, 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by makaya325

Rockin, 11 different hairs have features that are different from human hair

http://bfro.net/images/whatis/figure...%20caption.jpg

I just pointed out my post that they do NOT have features that exclude human hair.
Did you read it?
Fahrenbach's work with alleged sasquatch hair is a complete joke.

makaya325 · 9th January 2009, 08:35 PM

Sasquatch hair is cut and has different cortex color

GT/CS · 9th January 2009, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by makaya325

Sasquatch hair is cut and has different cortex color

Looks like we need to add, 'cuts hair' to the bigfoot skills list.

makaya325 · 9th January 2009, 09:06 PM

GT, i mean that the hairs are cut, which isnt found in human hair

Professor Stephen I Rosen of the University of Maryland has identified its hair as that of a previously unknown primate–and he has hair on file for most of the living primates of the world.

makaya325 · 9th January 2009, 09:07 PM

Originally Posted by GT/CS

Looks like we need to add, 'cuts hair' to the bigfoot skills list.

GT, i mean that the hairs are cut, which isnt found in human hair

Professor Stephen I Rosen of the University of Maryland has identified its hair as that of a previously unknown primate–and he has hair on file for most of the living primates of the world.

LTC8K6 · 9th January 2009, 09:17 PM

Quote:

Professor Stephen I Rosen of the University of Maryland has identified its hair as that of a previously unknown primate

How did he do that?

LTC8K6 · 9th January 2009, 09:20 PM

Let's have the full quote, makaya. Why did you write it as if it were your own words?

Quote:

Notable was a plenary address, by prominent anthropologist Carleton S. Coon: "Why There Has To Be A Sasquatch." Coon stated, "Even before I read John Green's book, Sasquatch: the Apes Among Us, I accepted the Sasquatch's existence ... Unfaked footprints are reported every year. (One can usually tell the difference because a man's weight is not enough to press the phony template down enough, among other things) ... Professor Stephen I Rosen of the University of Maryland has identified its hair as that of a previously unknown primate--and he has hair on file for most of the living primates of the world ... On this substantially impeccable evidence we may be justified to state that a primate other than man, which is either a pongid (ape), or hominid (kind of man) is alive in Washington ... It is easier to say what they are not than what they are. They are not Neanderthals."[1] To meet Wikipedias quality standards, this article or section may require cleanup. ...

LTC8K6 · 9th January 2009, 09:22 PM

Also here:

http://www.bigfootencounters.com/articles/coon.htm

Quote:

Professor Stephen I Rosen of the University of Maryland has identified its hair as that of a previously unknown primate--and he has hair on file for most of the living primates of the world. He has given me permission to state that its scale pattern is primate, its pigment dense and black like that of a lowland gorilla, and its internal structure "unusual." This last refers to the medulla of the hair strand, which is quite variable among the living races of man.

Which indicates that the hairs do have a medulla...

LONGTABBER PE · 10th January 2009, 07:02 AM

Well, Jack is still holding at 5' 10" +/- on Patty's height.

Aepervius · 10th January 2009, 09:16 AM

Apparently even rare elusive animal are getting caught on Camera. Not bigfoot....

venomous mamal studied

(I know the argument on the quantum bigfoot (both elusive and easily found at the same time) have been beaten to death, but I thought of the finding might interrest some people here on its own value).

makaya325 · 10th January 2009, 09:51 AM

Aep, tell me, how many videos do we have of a blue bear? Yes, im bringing it up again.

LONGTABBER PE · 10th January 2009, 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by makaya325

Aep, tell me, how many videos do we have of a blue bear? Yes, im bringing it up again.

For what purpose?

makaya325 · 10th January 2009, 09:59 AM

Long, even wolverines are video taped tons of times. However, the blue bear has never been video taped, and if it were, it would be online

LONGTABBER PE · 10th January 2009, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by makaya325

Long, even wolverines are video taped tons of times. However, the blue bear has never been video taped, and if it were, it would be online

That cant be stated with any degree of reliability. Theres no cosmic prime directive that anything filmed must be put on the internet. ( I myself have hundreds of hours of stuff thats not on the net and I'm sure millions of others do as well)

So, you cant say it was never filmed anymore than you can say you know it has ( unless you have seen a film of one)

The point is moot however because the BB is known to exist for over a century so the ABILITY to find and film one ( if desired) is readily available for anyone with the resources to do so. Thats what really matters.

I dont follow your reasoning.

Are you saying that because a known animal has not been filmed ( which is really a choice to NOT film it since it can be filmed) that in some way shores up the argument thats theres ZERO reliable "film" of BF especially since BF gets seen hundreds of times a year with a good bit of camera traps and people physically looking for him? ) and everyone else in the woods doing other things?)

William Parcher · 10th January 2009, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by makaya325

However, the blue bear has never been video taped, and if it were, it would be online

This may not be true. There may be video of blue bears that is not online.

Hitch · 10th January 2009, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by makaya325

Long, even wolverines are video taped tons of times. However, the blue bear has never been video taped, and if it were, it would be online

Wait.

"If anything that exists cannot be found as a video online, therefore anything we can imagine which also cannot be found as a video online can safely be assumed to exist."

Is that the point being made?

makaya325 · 10th January 2009, 10:31 AM

No hitch. Bad case by me. Im still hellbent on the lack of continous bodies of the blue bear. This goes more than an analogy, its sad we have trouble finding them

mangler · 10th January 2009, 10:33 AM

First you need to define which species of Blue Bear. These bears are not quite as elusive as bigfoot, which is everywhere yet nowhere. Who needs video/film when you have one in a zoo?

m

Ursus arctos pruinosus aka Blue Bear
Got this one in a zoo.

Ursus americanus emmonsii aka Blue Bear/Glacier Bear/Spirit Bear
This species is not quite as rare

William Parcher · 10th January 2009, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by makaya325

Im still hellbent on the lack of continous bodies of the blue bear.

The blue bear is an endangered species listed on CITES Appendix I. It is illegal to trade or possess a body or body part outside of strictly permitted official scientific study.

Quote:

This goes more than an analogy, its sad we have trouble finding them.

Why do you continue to make huge assumptions and pull numbers out of your ass?

kitakaze · 10th January 2009, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by makaya325

No hitch. Bad case by me. Im still hellbent on the lack of continous bodies of the blue bear. This goes more than an analogy, its sad we have trouble finding them

Continuous bodies? What does that even mean, man? You need to quite it with the blue bears. It flies at BFF, not here. They are in zoos, we have there bodies living and dead to study, the Chinese chop them up into little bitty bits and put them in jars in apothecaries. There is a reason why they are rare.

Enough with the blue bears!
It's raining blue bears:

Originally Posted by kitakaze

Tibetan blue bears:

Know them. Found Them. Put them in a zoo.

kitakaze · 10th January 2009, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by makaya325

However, the blue bear has never been video taped, and if it were, it would be online

This is inching to the threshhold of willful stupidity.

Hello? Hello??

I showed you two separate bears in zoos in Japan.

PEOPLE VIDEOTAPE THEM DAILY.

Aepervius · 10th January 2009, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by makaya325

Aep, tell me, how many videos do we have of a blue bear? Yes, im bringing it up again.

If I remember correctly there is a blue bear in a zoo in Japan, as somebody already psoted you. I dunno why you are so hung on video as opposed to photo.

But, hey, pay me the travel to the japan zoo where there is one, and I deliver you tons over tons of blue bear video. Or ask kitakaze to film it.

Aepervius · 10th January 2009, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by kitakaze

This is inching to the threshhold of willful stupidity.

Hello? Hello??

I showed you two separate bears in zoos in Japan.

PEOPLE VIDEOTAPE THEM DAILY.

Shhhhhhhh *whisper to kita*, she/he may be about to pay me a travel to Japan. HIHI.

GT/CS · 10th January 2009, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by Aepervius

If I remember correctly there is a blue bear in a zoo in Japan, as somebody already psoted you. I dunno why you are so hung on video as opposed to photo.

But, hey, pay me the travel to the japan zoo where there is one, and I deliver you tons over tons of blue bear video. Or ask kitakaze to film it.

He's young, and today's youth believe that the internet is the be-all and know-all of the civilized world. If it isn't on the internet (Youtube) it doesn't exist.

9th January 2009, 04:04 PM	#1
JcR Banned Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Still Looking Posts: 1,244	Bigfoot: The Patterson Gimlin Film - Part 3 I find it interesting... Esteban Sarmiento talks of how dermal ridges and scars etc can be faked. Just skip Chilcutt and go to 2:03 in the video. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=M15H9WGzWbw And if you're really bored watch this. Seven parts,,, if you can take the torture. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=GHK2O6...eature=related
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9th January 2009, 04:05 PM	#2
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9th January 2009, 04:43 PM	#4
kitakaze Resident DJ/NSA Supermole Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Behind the decks in Tokyo, Japan/Victoria, Canada Posts: 9,461	Originally Posted by JcR I find it interesting... Esteban Sarmiento talks of how dermal ridges and scars etc can be faked. Just skip Chilcutt and go to 2:03 in the video. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=M15H9WGzWbw Whenever Chilcutt talks he reminds me of a certain someone (skip Doug, go to 00:40): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnZDm...eature=related Quote: And if you're really bored watch this. Seven parts,,, if you can take the torture. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=GHK2O6...eature=related I actually sat through part one. You hurt my brain.
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9th January 2009, 04:50 PM	#5
JcR Banned Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Still Looking Posts: 1,244	LMAO... I suffered through all 7
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9th January 2009, 05:45 PM	#8
kitakaze Resident DJ/NSA Supermole Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Behind the decks in Tokyo, Japan/Victoria, Canada Posts: 9,461	Originally Posted by makaya325 Jc, a man trying to imitate something is a travesty? Come on, ask anyone to do that, and all of them sound like complete morons, yet that doesnt mean there wrong. Yet you said that Bigfoot is extinct. That would make them wrong, right?
	__________________ Until better evidence is provided, the best solution to the PGF is that it is a man in a suit. -Astrophotographer. 2 prints, 1 trackway, same 'dermals'? 'Unfortunately no' says Meldrum. I want to see bigfoot throw a pig... Is that wrong? -LTC8K6

9th January 2009, 04:35 PM	#3
makaya325 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: It's ok, im a limo driver! Posts: 4,655	JCR, the ngc program is heavily biased. It is a travesty to the serious researchers. Why didnt it present the freeman and klamath footage? Why not the hair morphology? The gaussian curve?

9th January 2009, 05:14 PM	#6
JcR Banned Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Still Looking Posts: 1,244	Originally Posted by makaya325 JCR, the ngc program is heavily biased. It is a travesty to the serious researchers. Why didnt it present the freeman and klamath footage? Why not the hair morphology? The gaussian curve? Skip to 14:20 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=RKfuZepS68A And this isn't a travesty to researchers ?

9th January 2009, 05:25 PM	#7
makaya325 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: It's ok, im a limo driver! Posts: 4,655	Jc, a man trying to imitate something is a travesty? Come on, ask anyone to do that, and all of them sound like complete morons, yet that doesnt mean there wrong.

9th January 2009, 05:57 PM	#9
makaya325 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: It's ok, im a limo driver! Posts: 4,655	Kitz, thats not the point. The point is that people are no more credible or less credible when they imitate a sound

9th January 2009, 05:57 PM	#10
rockinkt Muse Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 638	Originally Posted by makaya325 JCR, the ngc program is heavily biased. It is a travesty to the serious researchers. Why didnt it present the freeman and klamath footage? Why not the hair morphology? The gaussian curve? Makaya - please explain - in your own words - why each of those is good evidence and why it should be referenced by serious researchers.
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9th January 2009, 06:01 PM	#11
JcR Banned Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Still Looking Posts: 1,244	Originally Posted by makaya325 Jc, a man trying to imitate something is a travesty? Come on, ask anyone to do that, and all of them sound like complete morons, yet that doesnt mean there wrong. It is not an example of being wrong...I don't think they need help in that department anyways.

9th January 2009, 06:10 PM	#12
makaya325 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: It's ok, im a limo driver! Posts: 4,655	Rockin, the hairs are similiar to human, except that all 11 lack medullas, are thicker, cut, tapered ends.

9th January 2009, 06:20 PM	#13
JcR Banned Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Still Looking Posts: 1,244	Imitating sounds is just that... And credibility is another creature altogether.

9th January 2009, 06:48 PM	#14
rockinkt Muse Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 638	Originally Posted by makaya325 Rockin, the hairs are similiar to human, except that all 11 lack medullas, are thicker, cut, tapered ends. Human hair can lack medullas. In other words - the lack of a medulla does not rule out the hairs being human. What to heck does "thicker" mean? Are you referring to the Maximum Shaft Diameter? Is that measurement outside of known human hair? If so - by how much? (Please cite reference) Ummm..."cut". Please explain what you meant by that. Tapered ends...do you mean the distal hair tip is tapered? Human hair can have naturally occurring taper. Is it a Natural Taper or a Rounded Taper?
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9th January 2009, 07:08 PM	#15
makaya325 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: It's ok, im a limo driver! Posts: 4,655	Rockin, 11 different hairs have features that are different from human hair http://bfro.net/images/whatis/figure...%20caption.jpg

9th January 2009, 07:22 PM	#16
kitakaze Resident DJ/NSA Supermole Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Behind the decks in Tokyo, Japan/Victoria, Canada Posts: 9,461	Originally Posted by makaya325 Rockin, 11 different hairs have features that are different from human hair http://bfro.net/images/whatis/figure...%20caption.jpg I thought you said the BFRO is crap, now you're using them for reference?
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9th January 2009, 08:27 PM	#17
rockinkt Muse Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 638	Originally Posted by makaya325 Rockin, 11 different hairs have features that are different from human hair http://bfro.net/images/whatis/figure...%20caption.jpg I just pointed out my post that they do NOT have features that exclude human hair. Did you read it? Fahrenbach's work with alleged sasquatch hair is a complete joke.
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9th January 2009, 08:35 PM	#18
makaya325 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: It's ok, im a limo driver! Posts: 4,655	Sasquatch hair is cut and has different cortex color

9th January 2009, 08:44 PM	#19
GT/CS Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,591	Originally Posted by makaya325 Sasquatch hair is cut and has different cortex color Looks like we need to add, 'cuts hair' to the bigfoot skills list.
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9th January 2009, 09:06 PM	#20
makaya325 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: It's ok, im a limo driver! Posts: 4,655	GT, i mean that the hairs are cut, which isnt found in human hair Professor Stephen I Rosen of the University of Maryland has identified its hair as that of a previously unknown primate–and he has hair on file for most of the living primates of the world.

9th January 2009, 09:07 PM	#21
makaya325 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: It's ok, im a limo driver! Posts: 4,655	Originally Posted by GT/CS Looks like we need to add, 'cuts hair' to the bigfoot skills list. GT, i mean that the hairs are cut, which isnt found in human hair Professor Stephen I Rosen of the University of Maryland has identified its hair as that of a previously unknown primate–and he has hair on file for most of the living primates of the world.

9th January 2009, 09:17 PM	#22
LTC8K6 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Directly under a deadly chemtrail Posts: 12,661	Quote: Professor Stephen I Rosen of the University of Maryland has identified its hair as that of a previously unknown primate How did he do that?
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9th January 2009, 09:20 PM	#23
LTC8K6 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Directly under a deadly chemtrail Posts: 12,661	Let's have the full quote, makaya. Why did you write it as if it were your own words? Quote: Notable was a plenary address, by prominent anthropologist Carleton S. Coon: "Why There Has To Be A Sasquatch." Coon stated, "Even before I read John Green's book, Sasquatch: the Apes Among Us, I accepted the Sasquatch's existence ... Unfaked footprints are reported every year. (One can usually tell the difference because a man's weight is not enough to press the phony template down enough, among other things) ... Professor Stephen I Rosen of the University of Maryland has identified its hair as that of a previously unknown primate--and he has hair on file for most of the living primates of the world ... On this substantially impeccable evidence we may be justified to state that a primate other than man, which is either a pongid (ape), or hominid (kind of man) is alive in Washington ... It is easier to say what they are not than what they are. They are not Neanderthals."[1] To meet Wikipedias quality standards, this article or section may require cleanup. ...
	__________________ What a fool believes, no wise man has the power to reason away. What seems to be, is always better than nothing. 2 prints, same midtarsal crock..., I mean break? Last edited by LTC8K6; 9th January 2009 at 09:24 PM.

9th January 2009, 09:22 PM	#24
LTC8K6 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Directly under a deadly chemtrail Posts: 12,661	Also here: http://www.bigfootencounters.com/articles/coon.htm Quote: Professor Stephen I Rosen of the University of Maryland has identified its hair as that of a previously unknown primate--and he has hair on file for most of the living primates of the world. He has given me permission to state that its scale pattern is primate, its pigment dense and black like that of a lowland gorilla, and its internal structure "unusual." This last refers to the medulla of the hair strand, which is quite variable among the living races of man. Which indicates that the hairs do have a medulla...
	__________________ What a fool believes, no wise man has the power to reason away. What seems to be, is always better than nothing. 2 prints, same midtarsal crock..., I mean break?

10th January 2009, 07:02 AM	#25
LONGTABBER PE Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,865	Well, Jack is still holding at 5' 10" +/- on Patty's height.

10th January 2009, 09:16 AM	#26
Aepervius Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Bierland. I mean , germany. Posts: 7,756	Apparently even rare elusive animal are getting caught on Camera. Not bigfoot.... venomous mamal studied (I know the argument on the quantum bigfoot (both elusive and easily found at the same time) have been beaten to death, but I thought of the finding might interrest some people here on its own value).
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10th January 2009, 09:51 AM	#27
makaya325 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: It's ok, im a limo driver! Posts: 4,655	Aep, tell me, how many videos do we have of a blue bear? Yes, im bringing it up again.

10th January 2009, 09:58 AM	#28
LONGTABBER PE Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,865	Originally Posted by makaya325 Aep, tell me, how many videos do we have of a blue bear? Yes, im bringing it up again. For what purpose?

10th January 2009, 09:59 AM	#29
makaya325 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: It's ok, im a limo driver! Posts: 4,655	Long, even wolverines are video taped tons of times. However, the blue bear has never been video taped, and if it were, it would be online

10th January 2009, 10:08 AM	#30
LONGTABBER PE Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,865	Originally Posted by makaya325 Long, even wolverines are video taped tons of times. However, the blue bear has never been video taped, and if it were, it would be online That cant be stated with any degree of reliability. Theres no cosmic prime directive that anything filmed must be put on the internet. ( I myself have hundreds of hours of stuff thats not on the net and I'm sure millions of others do as well) So, you cant say it was never filmed anymore than you can say you know it has ( unless you have seen a film of one) The point is moot however because the BB is known to exist for over a century so the ABILITY to find and film one ( if desired) is readily available for anyone with the resources to do so. Thats what really matters. I dont follow your reasoning. Are you saying that because a known animal has not been filmed ( which is really a choice to NOT film it since it can be filmed) that in some way shores up the argument thats theres ZERO reliable "film" of BF especially since BF gets seen hundreds of times a year with a good bit of camera traps and people physically looking for him? ) and everyone else in the woods doing other things?)

10th January 2009, 10:10 AM	#31
William Parcher Show me the monkey! Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 8,504	Originally Posted by makaya325 However, the blue bear has never been video taped, and if it were, it would be online This may not be true. There may be video of blue bears that is not online.
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10th January 2009, 10:19 AM	#32
Hitch Muse Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 861	Originally Posted by makaya325 Long, even wolverines are video taped tons of times. However, the blue bear has never been video taped, and if it were, it would be online Wait. "If anything that exists cannot be found as a video online, therefore anything we can imagine which also cannot be found as a video online can safely be assumed to exist." Is that the point being made?
Hitch Muse Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 861

10th January 2009, 10:31 AM	#33
makaya325 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: It's ok, im a limo driver! Posts: 4,655	No hitch. Bad case by me. Im still hellbent on the lack of continous bodies of the blue bear. This goes more than an analogy, its sad we have trouble finding them

10th January 2009, 10:33 AM	#34
mangler Critical Thinker Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Puget Sound Area Posts: 410	First you need to define which species of Blue Bear. These bears are not quite as elusive as bigfoot, which is everywhere yet nowhere. Who needs video/film when you have one in a zoo? m Ursus arctos pruinosus aka Blue Bear Got this one in a zoo. Ursus americanus emmonsii aka Blue Bear/Glacier Bear/Spirit Bear This species is not quite as rare
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10th January 2009, 10:52 AM	#35
William Parcher Show me the monkey! Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 8,504	Originally Posted by makaya325 Im still hellbent on the lack of continous bodies of the blue bear. The blue bear is an endangered species listed on CITES Appendix I. It is illegal to trade or possess a body or body part outside of strictly permitted official scientific study. Quote: This goes more than an analogy, its sad we have trouble finding them. Why do you continue to make huge assumptions and pull numbers out of your ass?
	__________________ Bigfoot believers and Bigfoot skeptics are both plumb crazy. Each spends more than one minute per year thinking about Bigfoot.