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Old 9th January 2009, 05:04 PM   #1
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Bigfoot: The Patterson Gimlin Film - Part 3

I find it interesting... Esteban Sarmiento talks of how dermal ridges
and scars etc can be faked. Just skip Chilcutt and go to 2:03 in the video.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=M15H9WGzWbw

And if you're really bored watch this. Seven parts,,, if you can take the torture.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=GHK2O6...eature=related

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Old 9th January 2009, 05:05 PM   #2
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Logic,

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JCR, the ngc program is heavily biased. It is a travesty to the serious researchers. Why didnt it present the freeman and klamath footage? Why not the hair morphology? The gaussian curve?
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Originally Posted by JcR View Post
I find it interesting... Esteban Sarmiento talks of how dermal ridges
and scars etc can be faked. Just skip Chilcutt and go to 2:03 in the video.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=M15H9WGzWbw
Whenever Chilcutt talks he reminds me of a certain someone (skip Doug, go to 00:40):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnZDm...eature=related

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And if you're really bored watch this. Seven parts,,, if you can take the torture.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=GHK2O6...eature=related
I actually sat through part one. You hurt my brain.
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Old 9th January 2009, 05:50 PM   #5
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LMAO... I suffered through all 7

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Old 9th January 2009, 06:14 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by makaya325 View Post
JCR, the ngc program is heavily biased. It is a travesty to the serious researchers. Why didnt it present the freeman and klamath footage? Why not the hair morphology? The gaussian curve?
Skip to 14:20

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=RKfuZepS68A

And this isn't a travesty to researchers ?
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Jc, a man trying to imitate something is a travesty? Come on, ask anyone to do that, and all of them sound like complete morons, yet that doesnt mean there wrong.
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Originally Posted by makaya325 View Post
Jc, a man trying to imitate something is a travesty? Come on, ask anyone to do that, and all of them sound like complete morons, yet that doesnt mean there wrong.
Yet you said that Bigfoot is extinct. That would make them wrong, right?
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Old 9th January 2009, 06:57 PM   #9
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Kitz, thats not the point. The point is that people are no more credible or less credible when they imitate a sound
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JCR, the ngc program is heavily biased. It is a travesty to the serious researchers. Why didnt it present the freeman and klamath footage? Why not the hair morphology? The gaussian curve?
Makaya - please explain - in your own words - why each of those is good evidence and why it should be referenced by serious researchers.
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Old 9th January 2009, 07:01 PM   #11
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Originally Posted by makaya325 View Post
Jc, a man trying to imitate something is a travesty? Come on, ask anyone to do that, and all of them sound like complete morons, yet that doesnt mean there wrong.
It is not an example of being wrong...I don't think they need help
in that department anyways.
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Rockin, the hairs are similiar to human, except that all 11 lack medullas, are thicker, cut, tapered ends.
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Imitating sounds is just that...
And credibility is another creature altogether.
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Originally Posted by makaya325 View Post
Rockin, the hairs are similiar to human, except that all 11 lack medullas,
are thicker, cut, tapered ends.
Human hair can lack medullas.
In other words - the lack of a medulla does not rule out the hairs being human.

What to heck does "thicker" mean?
Are you referring to the Maximum Shaft Diameter?
Is that measurement outside of known human hair?
If so - by how much? (Please cite reference)

Ummm..."cut". Please explain what you meant by that.

Tapered ends...do you mean the distal hair tip is tapered?
Human hair can have naturally occurring taper.
Is it a Natural Taper or a Rounded Taper?

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Rockin, 11 different hairs have features that are different from human hair

http://bfro.net/images/whatis/figure...%20caption.jpg
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Rockin, 11 different hairs have features that are different from human hair

http://bfro.net/images/whatis/figure...%20caption.jpg
I thought you said the BFRO is crap, now you're using them for reference?
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Rockin, 11 different hairs have features that are different from human hair

http://bfro.net/images/whatis/figure...%20caption.jpg
I just pointed out my post that they do NOT have features that exclude human hair.
Did you read it?
Fahrenbach's work with alleged sasquatch hair is a complete joke.
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Sasquatch hair is cut and has different cortex color
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Sasquatch hair is cut and has different cortex color
Looks like we need to add, 'cuts hair' to the bigfoot skills list.
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GT, i mean that the hairs are cut, which isnt found in human hair

Professor Stephen I Rosen of the University of Maryland has identified its hair as that of a previously unknown primate–and he has hair on file for most of the living primates of the world.
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Looks like we need to add, 'cuts hair' to the bigfoot skills list.
GT, i mean that the hairs are cut, which isnt found in human hair

Professor Stephen I Rosen of the University of Maryland has identified its hair as that of a previously unknown primate–and he has hair on file for most of the living primates of the world.
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Professor Stephen I Rosen of the University of Maryland has identified its hair as that of a previously unknown primate
How did he do that?
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Let's have the full quote, makaya. Why did you write it as if it were your own words?

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Notable was a plenary address, by prominent anthropologist Carleton S. Coon: "Why There Has To Be A Sasquatch." Coon stated, "Even before I read John Green's book, Sasquatch: the Apes Among Us, I accepted the Sasquatch's existence ... Unfaked footprints are reported every year. (One can usually tell the difference because a man's weight is not enough to press the phony template down enough, among other things) ... Professor Stephen I Rosen of the University of Maryland has identified its hair as that of a previously unknown primate--and he has hair on file for most of the living primates of the world ... On this substantially impeccable evidence we may be justified to state that a primate other than man, which is either a pongid (ape), or hominid (kind of man) is alive in Washington ... It is easier to say what they are not than what they are. They are not Neanderthals."[1] To meet Wikipedias quality standards, this article or section may require cleanup. ...
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Also here:

http://www.bigfootencounters.com/articles/coon.htm

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Professor Stephen I Rosen of the University of Maryland has identified its hair as that of a previously unknown primate--and he has hair on file for most of the living primates of the world. He has given me permission to state that its scale pattern is primate, its pigment dense and black like that of a lowland gorilla, and its internal structure "unusual." This last refers to the medulla of the hair strand, which is quite variable among the living races of man.
Which indicates that the hairs do have a medulla...
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Well, Jack is still holding at 5' 10" +/- on Patty's height.
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Apparently even rare elusive animal are getting caught on Camera. Not bigfoot....

venomous mamal studied

(I know the argument on the quantum bigfoot (both elusive and easily found at the same time) have been beaten to death, but I thought of the finding might interrest some people here on its own value).
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Aep, tell me, how many videos do we have of a blue bear? Yes, im bringing it up again.
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Aep, tell me, how many videos do we have of a blue bear? Yes, im bringing it up again.
For what purpose?
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Long, even wolverines are video taped tons of times. However, the blue bear has never been video taped, and if it were, it would be online
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Long, even wolverines are video taped tons of times. However, the blue bear has never been video taped, and if it were, it would be online
That cant be stated with any degree of reliability. Theres no cosmic prime directive that anything filmed must be put on the internet. ( I myself have hundreds of hours of stuff thats not on the net and I'm sure millions of others do as well)

So, you cant say it was never filmed anymore than you can say you know it has ( unless you have seen a film of one)

The point is moot however because the BB is known to exist for over a century so the ABILITY to find and film one ( if desired) is readily available for anyone with the resources to do so. Thats what really matters.

I dont follow your reasoning.

Are you saying that because a known animal has not been filmed ( which is really a choice to NOT film it since it can be filmed) that in some way shores up the argument thats theres ZERO reliable "film" of BF especially since BF gets seen hundreds of times a year with a good bit of camera traps and people physically looking for him? ) and everyone else in the woods doing other things?)
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However, the blue bear has never been video taped, and if it were, it would be online

This may not be true. There may be video of blue bears that is not online.
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Long, even wolverines are video taped tons of times. However, the blue bear has never been video taped, and if it were, it would be online
Wait.

"If anything that exists cannot be found as a video online, therefore anything we can imagine which also cannot be found as a video online can safely be assumed to exist."

Is that the point being made?
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No hitch. Bad case by me. Im still hellbent on the lack of continous bodies of the blue bear. This goes more than an analogy, its sad we have trouble finding them
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First you need to define which species of Blue Bear. These bears are not quite as elusive as bigfoot, which is everywhere yet nowhere. Who needs video/film when you have one in a zoo?


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Ursus arctos pruinosus aka Blue Bear
Got this one in a zoo.


Ursus americanus emmonsii aka Blue Bear/Glacier Bear/Spirit Bear
This species is not quite as rare


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Im still hellbent on the lack of continous bodies of the blue bear.
The blue bear is an endangered species listed on CITES Appendix I. It is illegal to trade or possess a body or body part outside of strictly permitted official scientific study.


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This goes more than an analogy, its sad we have trouble finding them.
Why do you continue to make huge assumptions and pull numbers out of your ass?
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No hitch. Bad case by me. Im still hellbent on the lack of continous bodies of the blue bear. This goes more than an analogy, its sad we have trouble finding them
Continuous bodies? What does that even mean, man? You need to quite it with the blue bears. It flies at BFF, not here. They are in zoos, we have there bodies living and dead to study, the Chinese chop them up into little bitty bits and put them in jars in apothecaries. There is a reason why they are rare.

Enough with the blue bears!
It's raining blue bears:

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Tibetan blue bears:





Know them. Found Them. Put them in a zoo.
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However, the blue bear has never been video taped, and if it were, it would be online
This is inching to the threshhold of willful stupidity.



Hello? Hello??

I showed you two separate bears in zoos in Japan.

PEOPLE VIDEOTAPE THEM DAILY.
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Aep, tell me, how many videos do we have of a blue bear? Yes, im bringing it up again.
If I remember correctly there is a blue bear in a zoo in Japan, as somebody already psoted you. I dunno why you are so hung on video as opposed to photo.

But, hey, pay me the travel to the japan zoo where there is one, and I deliver you tons over tons of blue bear video. Or ask kitakaze to film it.
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This is inching to the threshhold of willful stupidity.



Hello? Hello??

I showed you two separate bears in zoos in Japan.

PEOPLE VIDEOTAPE THEM DAILY.
Shhhhhhhh *whisper to kita*, she/he may be about to pay me a travel to Japan. HIHI.
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If I remember correctly there is a blue bear in a zoo in Japan, as somebody already psoted you. I dunno why you are so hung on video as opposed to photo.

But, hey, pay me the travel to the japan zoo where there is one, and I deliver you tons over tons of blue bear video. Or ask kitakaze to film it.
He's young, and today's youth believe that the internet is the be-all and know-all of the civilized world. If it isn't on the internet (Youtube) it doesn't exist.
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