Bigfoot: The Patterson Gimlin Film - Part 3 - Page 255

AlaskaBushPilot · 22nd November 2012, 10:41 PM

It was Yakima at one time, not sure about now. I believe I caught an article not long ago with him being involved in the wine industry in some capacity. He was referred to as the former paving company owner so that's him.

Sonny2 · 23rd November 2012, 06:58 AM

Thanks for the info. I have some relatives in Yakima, maybe I should ask if anyone knows him.

Gilbert Syndrome · 26th November 2012, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by jerrywayne

Are Kit's documentary and discovery of the suit now off the table?

Where they ever really on the table?

Gilbert Syndrome · 26th November 2012, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by Slocie's

Why ? Stand by your post or don't post at all. Kinda just wastes my time posting back to ya don't it.

I'm not sure what you're babbling about, mate. The comment I deleted wasn't directed towards you, it was a double-post, as far as I can tell, we weren't even engaged in any conversation to begin with, haha.

Gilbert Syndrome · 26th November 2012, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by Skeptical Greg

Do you have any specifics ?

Where this took place ? Who did he pretend to be ?

It took place here, I was told he was going by the name "CBengalensis," although, I don't have much in the way of evidence, but hey, evidence is lacking throughout this rumour-mill.

HarryHenderson · 26th November 2012, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by AlaskaBushPilot

...the way the Roger Patterson story itself would - it's an amazing story really. A con man who has a fatal disease but pulls off the big score before he dies and leaves a legacy outlasting every scientist that scoffed at him. An ironic triumph/tragedy...

It is an amazing story. For numerous years I've accused Roger Patterson of being 'the smartest man in the room'. And he's been pulling it off in spite of the fact he's been dead for the last 40+ years. To tweak a now famous wisdom, 'smart is as smart does'. I suppose one can call him many things instead - lucky, stupid, fearless, shameless, whatever - but when you perpetrate a monster hoax and 44 years later it's still producing income because its veracity is still being questioned and 'studied', you've won, you've cosmically OUTSMARTED EVERYONE.

GT/CS · 26th November 2012, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by HarryHenderson

It is an amazing story. For numerous years I've accused Roger Patterson of being 'the smartest man in the room'. And he's been pulling it off in spite of the fact he's been dead for the last 40+ years. To tweak a now famous wisdom, 'smart is as smart does'. I suppose one can call him many things instead - lucky, stupid, fearless, shameless, whatever - but when you perpetrate a monster hoax and 44 years later it's still producing income because its veracity is still being questioned and 'studied', you've won, you've cosmically OUTSMARTED EVERYONE.

"Everyone" is a bit of a stretch.

Gilbert Syndrome · 26th November 2012, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by HarryHenderson

It is an amazing story. For numerous years I've accused Roger Patterson of being 'the smartest man in the room'. And he's been pulling it off in spite of the fact he's been dead for the last 40+ years. To tweak a now famous wisdom, 'smart is as smart does'. I suppose one can call him many things instead - lucky, stupid, fearless, shameless, whatever - but when you perpetrate a monster hoax and 44 years later it's still producing income because its veracity is still being questioned and 'studied', you've won, you've cosmically OUTSMARTED EVERYONE.

I suppose it depends on how you look at it. For me personally, Roger only outsmarted a few people in the grand scheme of things... The majority of the world either doesn't buy it or doesn't care.

I'm not saying he didn't create a great and iconic hoax, he did, but I think that has more to do with the gullibility and general "want" of the small section of the general public who want this kind of Monster Lore to be real.

Patty will always be an iconic image which most people can instantly recognise... but in the real world, most people just look at it and don't see the creative genius of Patterson, they just see a fella in a costume.

The image of Patty, and the "Surgeons" photo of Nessie are now Monster History, they'll go down as probably being the most used images in any Readers Digest editions known to man.

But most people don't see the story, they just see the fella in the costume. Therein lies the problem with Roger Patterson ever truly realising fame, even in death.

Skeptical Greg · 28th November 2012, 04:16 PM

He outsmarted a relative handful of people.. I really don't see how that counts for much ..

SweatyYeti · 28th November 2012, 05:00 PM

Gilbert Sundrome wrote:

Quote:

I'm not saying he didn't create a great and iconic hoax, he did, but I think that has more to do with the gullibility and general "want" of the small section of the general public who want this kind of Monster Lore to be real.

Yeah, Roger did a great job, with his "hoax"...

Some folks like it because they are "gullible"....and others like it, simply because Patty's movements/flexibility, and tight body contour are unlike any suit ever seen.

dafydd · 28th November 2012, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by SweatyYeti

Yeah, Roger did a great job, with his "hoax"

Yes, the hoax was a success.

StankApe · 28th November 2012, 05:13 PM

There goes the neighborhood..........

Resume · 28th November 2012, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by SweatyYeti

Some folks like it because they are "gullible"....and others like it, simply because Patty's movements/flexibility, and tight body contour are unlike any suit ever seen.

Of course it's unlike any other suit; it's the first bigfoot suit ever.

Well, probably the first. Certainly the most successful because, as I'm sure you'll agree, it fooled lots and lots of folks into buying into the bigfoot craze. As silly as that is.

Glad you're on board.

RedRatSnake · 28th November 2012, 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by SweatyYeti

Gilbert Sundrome wrote:

Yeah, Roger did a great job, with his "hoax"... http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w...50-F370AG3.gif

Some folks like it because they are "gullible"....and others like it, simply because Patty's movements/flexibility, and tight body contour are unlike any suit ever seen.

I am pretty sure those making the film never dreamed it to be the film that ended up happening, ( well! crappy film but crazy following) Don't really seem like a lot was put into it to me, they got a suit rented a camera went for a horse back ride and filmed someone walking down the creek bed. In other words it just happened to be one of those ~ One in a million type things that somehow worked out ~ Nothing special just a fluke back in the day's of black and white when life was simple and boring, people needed a perk and they got the PGF.

jerrywayne · 28th November 2012, 06:08 PM

Bottom line: No way simple Roger Patterson could fool Mr. Yeti.

Resume · 28th November 2012, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by jerrywayne

Bottom line: No way simple Roger Patterson could fool Mr. Yeti.

Most folks tend to fool themselves.

LTC8K6 · 28th November 2012, 06:46 PM

Great suit indeed. It's head changes shape often, as seen in various clips.

It even makes outrageously large blinking motions as sy shows. Must be huge baggy eyelids, I guess.

I wonder what adaptation Roger was trying to convey? What are giant baggy eyelids good for?

SweatyYeti · 28th November 2012, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by jerrywayne

Bottom line: No way simple Roger Patterson could fool Mr. Yeti.

Or....no way a manipulated, and completely irrelevant....(being the opposite of the illusion required, to explain-away Patty's moving/bending fingers)... 'Doll-Hand Illusion' could ever fool a whole gang of "Critical Thinkers"...

SweatyYeti · 28th November 2012, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by LTC8K6

Great suit indeed. It's head changes shape often, as seen in various clips.

It even makes outrageously large blinking motions as sy shows. Must be huge baggy eyelids, I guess.

I'm glad you can see, and acknowledge, the apparent eyebrow movement, LT...

It is actual 'eyebrow movement'....in the animation, you can see how the protruding eyebrow shades the 'white spot' that is at the bottom of her right eye.....as it lowers.

That white-ish object/lump is clearly visible in several Frames...three of them are in this montage...

Resume · 28th November 2012, 08:32 PM

Disappointed.

Was hoping for more colors . . . and squiggly lines.

William Parcher · 28th November 2012, 08:34 PM

It's really unprecedented primate physiology in action that we are seeing here. The whole brow ridge (which is a bone shelf) comes down and over the eyes for an instant just like a shutting car trunk lid. Normally the eyelids move to cover or "close" the eyes, but here part of the skull itself hinges up and down.

No way would a hoaxer do that. Hoaxers just don't do extremely unrealistic things to their costumes. Because of that it has to be real.

William Parcher · 28th November 2012, 08:37 PM

It's very obviously not the eyebrows moving up and down. The bone of the skull moves as if it were a kind of flexible alien structure not of this planet.

William Parcher · 28th November 2012, 08:41 PM

The more I look the more it becomes obviously a fact that the eye socket (another bone structure) drastically changes shape.. like we can do with our lips.

The skull itself can instantly change shape. Sweaty has brought us these facts.

LTC8K6 · 28th November 2012, 09:00 PM

The nose, like Pinocchio, also appears to change length/shape. Amazing suit. We really need to see that Roger gets an award.

Or maybe we need to explain the evolutionary consequences of all of this craniofacial variability? Amazing hominid...no wonder the DNA is so special...

Castro · 28th November 2012, 09:11 PM

Fascinating.The long-time suspected morphing abilities of bigfoot finally proved.

SweatyYeti · 28th November 2012, 11:49 PM

Originally Posted by William Parcher

It's very obviously not the eyebrows moving up and down. The bone of the skull moves as if it were a kind of flexible alien structure not of this planet.

Why couldn't it be a combination of thick skin and hair that is moving up and down, William??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRXyIjocwLo

The two Frames used in that animation are non-consecutive Frames...they are Frames 348 and 368...

Frame 348...the frame in which the eyebrow appears lower....just happens to coincide with the exact moment when Patty's face first becomes hit/lit-up with direct sunlight, as she is turning her head towards Roger.

Patty lowered her eyebrow as a response to the direct sunlight, in her face.

demonunderyourbed · 29th November 2012, 05:40 AM

what no pointless coloured lines to go with the pointless giff.??
bigfoot can now shape shift aswell ..

Resume · 29th November 2012, 05:47 AM

Originally Posted by SweatyYeti

Why couldn't it be a combination of thick skin and hair that is moving up and down, William??

Frame 348...the frame in which the eyebrow appears lower....just happens to coincide with the exact moment when Patty's face first becomes hit/lit-up with direct sunlight, as she is turning her head towards Roger.

Patty lowered her eyebrow as a response to the direct sunlight, in her face.

You still buy into the whole Lance Armstrong mystique, don't you?

William Parcher · 29th November 2012, 05:53 AM

Originally Posted by SweatyYeti

Why couldn't it be a combination of thick skin and hair that is moving up and down, William??

Because you have demonstrated that the skull bone is moving. That is now a fact. Maybe you don't even realize what you have discovered.

These are different things...

Eyebrow
Brow ridge
Eyelid

LTC8K6 · 29th November 2012, 06:01 AM

I raise my hand and block the sun when it's in my eyes...

How the sun can be in Patty's eyes at ~1:30pm with her head looking at the ground is an exercise for the class, I guess.

William Parcher · 29th November 2012, 06:08 AM

If you stop to think about it a dropping brow ridge bone would be a great adaptation. The problem with moving quickly in a forest is that you get your eyes poked out by branches and twigs. A "bone flap" could be lowered to essentially protect the eyeballs.

The purpose of this could be debated. But what can't be debated is the fact that the skull itself is changing shape. That is shown right there on the film.

I can't remember if Sweaty is a Creationist, but if so, such a feature could be attributed to God's creation.

LTC8K6 · 29th November 2012, 06:52 AM

Would make more sense to just have the bigger/lower ridge there, rather than to invent a moving one. Plus, I also use my arm/hand to shield my eyes from brush. It works much better than a brow ridge ever could. A brow ridge would not be very effective for eye protection in dense brush, imo.

Besides all that, wiki says the brow ridge has nothing to do with eyeball protection, it's for strength of that area of the skull, and many forest dwelling hominids don't even have much of one at all.

It also seems to say that bipedalism reduced the need for the ridge.

Seems much more likely that it's to protect the eye socket area during combat.

Those grizzly bears don't like to give up their food.

GT/CS · 29th November 2012, 08:08 AM

Yes, but you don't walk through the forest with a pig under each arm!

Drewbot · 29th November 2012, 10:12 AM

The moving brow ridge could be an adaptation for mating as well.

IN DAVID ATTENBOUROUGH VOICE:

The Male hides in the bushes, whilst the female walks seductively across a well groomed open area, typically with a dry creek-bed. She signals her willingness to mate by quizzically furrowing her brow ridge.

perhaps Patty mistook the long-haired wig wearing Bob Gimlin for a male sasquatch.

SweatyYeti · 29th November 2012, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by William Parcher

Because you have demonstrated that the skull bone is moving. That is now a fact. Maybe you don't even realize what you have discovered.

These are different things...

Eyebrow
Brow ridge
Eyelid

Why couldn't it be a combination of thick skin and hair that is moving up and down, William??

SweatyYeti · 29th November 2012, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by LTC8K6

I raise my hand and block the sun when it's in my eyes...

How the sun can be in Patty's eyes at ~1:30pm with her head looking at the ground is an exercise for the class, I guess.

Patty's cheekbone becomes lit-up by the sunlight in Frame 348, LT. Therefore...the direct sunlight could very well also be shining in her eyes.

Hence...the lowering of her eyebrow.

GT/CS · 29th November 2012, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by SweatyYeti

Why couldn't it be a combination of thick skin and hair that is moving up and down, William??

So the eyebrows bounce up and down while the boobs stay rigid.
Patty is a seriously screwed up animal!!!

Hey Sweaty, do you want to discuss wrist bands?

GT/CS · 29th November 2012, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by SweatyYeti

Patty's cheekbone becomes lit-up by the sunlight in Frame 348, LT. Therefore...the direct sunlight could very well also be shining in her eyes.

Hence...the lowering of her eyebrow.

Checkmate by LTC.

Drewbot · 29th November 2012, 10:31 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Young_male_chimp.png

You really think this frontal torus is going to move because of a little bit of sun?

That thing is a helmet for the eye socket. It doesn't move.

dafydd · 29th November 2012, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by SweatyYeti

Patty's cheekbone becomes lit-up by the sunlight in Frame 348, LT. Therefore...the direct sunlight could very well also be shining in her eyes.

Hence...the lowering of her eyebrow.

Why the desperate need to believe in the existence of bigfoot?

26th November 2012, 10:35 AM	#10163
Gilbert Syndrome Critical Thinker Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Aigburth, Liverpool, UK Posts: 351	Originally Posted by jerrywayne Are Kit's documentary and discovery of the suit now off the table? Where they ever really on the table?
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26th November 2012, 10:49 AM	#10164
Gilbert Syndrome Critical Thinker Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Aigburth, Liverpool, UK Posts: 351	Originally Posted by Slocie's Why ? Stand by your post or don't post at all. Kinda just wastes my time posting back to ya don't it. I'm not sure what you're babbling about, mate. The comment I deleted wasn't directed towards you, it was a double-post, as far as I can tell, we weren't even engaged in any conversation to begin with, haha.
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26th November 2012, 10:52 AM	#10165
Gilbert Syndrome Critical Thinker Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Aigburth, Liverpool, UK Posts: 351	Originally Posted by Skeptical Greg Do you have any specifics ? Where this took place ? Who did he pretend to be ? It took place here, I was told he was going by the name "CBengalensis," although, I don't have much in the way of evidence, but hey, evidence is lacking throughout this rumour-mill.
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26th November 2012, 03:54 PM	#10166
HarryHenderson Muse Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: All up in your business Posts: 706	Originally Posted by AlaskaBushPilot ...the way the Roger Patterson story itself would - it's an amazing story really. A con man who has a fatal disease but pulls off the big score before he dies and leaves a legacy outlasting every scientist that scoffed at him. An ironic triumph/tragedy... It is an amazing story. For numerous years I've accused Roger Patterson of being 'the smartest man in the room'. And he's been pulling it off in spite of the fact he's been dead for the last 40+ years. To tweak a now famous wisdom, 'smart is as smart does'. I suppose one can call him many things instead - lucky, stupid, fearless, shameless, whatever - but when you perpetrate a monster hoax and 44 years later it's still producing income because its veracity is still being questioned and 'studied', you've won, you've cosmically OUTSMARTED EVERYONE.
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26th November 2012, 04:07 PM	#10167
GT/CS Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,592	Originally Posted by HarryHenderson It is an amazing story. For numerous years I've accused Roger Patterson of being 'the smartest man in the room'. And he's been pulling it off in spite of the fact he's been dead for the last 40+ years. To tweak a now famous wisdom, 'smart is as smart does'. I suppose one can call him many things instead - lucky, stupid, fearless, shameless, whatever - but when you perpetrate a monster hoax and 44 years later it's still producing income because its veracity is still being questioned and 'studied', you've won, you've cosmically OUTSMARTED EVERYONE. "Everyone" is a bit of a stretch.
GT/CS Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,592	__________________ SweatyYeti or Bill Munns would be my vote for looking at this - BFSleuth @ BFF I've got plenty of common sense! I just choose to ignore it. - Calvin; October 15, 1986

22nd November 2012, 10:41 PM	#10161
AlaskaBushPilot Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,609	It was Yakima at one time, not sure about now. I believe I caught an article not long ago with him being involved in the wine industry in some capacity. He was referred to as the former paving company owner so that's him.

23rd November 2012, 06:58 AM	#10162
Sonny2 Muse Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Dust on the Wind Posts: 669	Thanks for the info. I have some relatives in Yakima, maybe I should ask if anyone knows him.

26th November 2012, 04:09 PM	#10168
Gilbert Syndrome Critical Thinker Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Aigburth, Liverpool, UK Posts: 351	Originally Posted by HarryHenderson It is an amazing story. For numerous years I've accused Roger Patterson of being 'the smartest man in the room'. And he's been pulling it off in spite of the fact he's been dead for the last 40+ years. To tweak a now famous wisdom, 'smart is as smart does'. I suppose one can call him many things instead - lucky, stupid, fearless, shameless, whatever - but when you perpetrate a monster hoax and 44 years later it's still producing income because its veracity is still being questioned and 'studied', you've won, you've cosmically OUTSMARTED EVERYONE. I suppose it depends on how you look at it. For me personally, Roger only outsmarted a few people in the grand scheme of things... The majority of the world either doesn't buy it or doesn't care. I'm not saying he didn't create a great and iconic hoax, he did, but I think that has more to do with the gullibility and general "want" of the small section of the general public who want this kind of Monster Lore to be real. Patty will always be an iconic image which most people can instantly recognise... but in the real world, most people just look at it and don't see the creative genius of Patterson, they just see a fella in a costume. The image of Patty, and the "Surgeons" photo of Nessie are now Monster History, they'll go down as probably being the most used images in any Readers Digest editions known to man. But most people don't see the story, they just see the fella in the costume. Therein lies the problem with Roger Patterson ever truly realising fame, even in death.
	__________________ "I've got to take Jeremy's advice more often: I'm out on a date with a teenage goth, smoking pot in the Lazerbowl toilets... this is it. This is literally, it. This is the sort of thing people do when they're having a good time."

28th November 2012, 04:16 PM	#10169
Skeptical Greg Agave Wine Connoisseur Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Just past 'Resume Speed' Posts: 12,873	He outsmarted a relative handful of people.. I really don't see how that counts for much ..
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28th November 2012, 05:00 PM	#10170
SweatyYeti Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,027	Gilbert Sundrome wrote: Quote: I'm not saying he didn't create a great and iconic hoax, he did, but I think that has more to do with the gullibility and general "want" of the small section of the general public who want this kind of Monster Lore to be real. Yeah, Roger did a great job, with his "hoax"... Some folks like it because they are "gullible"....and others like it, simply because Patty's movements/flexibility, and tight body contour are unlike any suit ever seen.
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28th November 2012, 05:06 PM	#10171
dafydd Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Belgium (Flatland) Posts: 31,478	Originally Posted by SweatyYeti Yeah, Roger did a great job, with his "hoax" Yes, the hoax was a success.
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28th November 2012, 05:13 PM	#10172
StankApe Banned Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,643	There goes the neighborhood..........
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28th November 2012, 05:15 PM	#10173
Resume Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 8,038	Originally Posted by SweatyYeti Some folks like it because they are "gullible"....and others like it, simply because Patty's movements/flexibility, and tight body contour are unlike any suit ever seen. Of course it's unlike any other suit; it's the first bigfoot suit ever. Well, probably the first. Certainly the most successful because, as I'm sure you'll agree, it fooled lots and lots of folks into buying into the bigfoot craze. As silly as that is. Glad you're on board.
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28th November 2012, 06:01 PM	#10174
RedRatSnake Slithering Through life Join Date: May 2008 Location: Southie, Massachusetts. Posts: 1,625	Originally Posted by SweatyYeti Gilbert Sundrome wrote: Yeah, Roger did a great job, with his "hoax"... http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w...50-F370AG3.gif Some folks like it because they are "gullible"....and others like it, simply because Patty's movements/flexibility, and tight body contour are unlike any suit ever seen. I am pretty sure those making the film never dreamed it to be the film that ended up happening, ( well! crappy film but crazy following) Don't really seem like a lot was put into it to me, they got a suit rented a camera went for a horse back ride and filmed someone walking down the creek bed. In other words it just happened to be one of those ~ One in a million type things that somehow worked out ~ Nothing special just a fluke back in the day's of black and white when life was simple and boring, people needed a perk and they got the PGF.
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28th November 2012, 06:08 PM	#10175
jerrywayne Critical Thinker Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 340	Bottom line: No way simple Roger Patterson could fool Mr. Yeti.

28th November 2012, 06:13 PM	#10176
Resume Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 8,038	Originally Posted by jerrywayne Bottom line: No way simple Roger Patterson could fool Mr. Yeti. Most folks tend to fool themselves.
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28th November 2012, 06:46 PM	#10177
LTC8K6 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Directly under a deadly chemtrail Posts: 12,692	Great suit indeed. It's head changes shape often, as seen in various clips. It even makes outrageously large blinking motions as sy shows. Must be huge baggy eyelids, I guess. I wonder what adaptation Roger was trying to convey? What are giant baggy eyelids good for?
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28th November 2012, 08:10 PM	#10178
SweatyYeti Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,027	Originally Posted by jerrywayne Bottom line: No way simple Roger Patterson could fool Mr. Yeti. Or....no way a manipulated, and completely irrelevant....(being the opposite of the illusion required, to explain-away Patty's moving/bending fingers)... 'Doll-Hand Illusion' could ever fool a whole gang of "Critical Thinkers"...
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28th November 2012, 08:14 PM	#10179
SweatyYeti Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,027	Originally Posted by LTC8K6 Great suit indeed. It's head changes shape often, as seen in various clips. It even makes outrageously large blinking motions as sy shows. Must be huge baggy eyelids, I guess. I'm glad you can see, and acknowledge, the apparent eyebrow movement, LT... It is actual 'eyebrow movement'....in the animation, you can see how the protruding eyebrow shades the 'white spot' that is at the bottom of her right eye.....as it lowers. That white-ish object/lump is clearly visible in several Frames...three of them are in this montage...
SweatyYeti Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,027	__________________ The wisdom of Diogenes.... "So far, I am not aware of any evidence which indicates with any degree of likeliness, however small, that Bigfoot creatures exist....anywhere in the world." tyr13: "There is no proof of bigfoot so there is no proof that bigfoot isn't a bear." Last edited by SweatyYeti; 28th November 2012 at 08:23 PM.

28th November 2012, 08:32 PM	#10180
Resume Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 8,038	Disappointed. Was hoping for more colors . . . and squiggly lines.
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28th November 2012, 08:34 PM	#10181
William Parcher Show me the monkey! Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 8,509	It's really unprecedented primate physiology in action that we are seeing here. The whole brow ridge (which is a bone shelf) comes down and over the eyes for an instant just like a shutting car trunk lid. Normally the eyelids move to cover or "close" the eyes, but here part of the skull itself hinges up and down. No way would a hoaxer do that. Hoaxers just don't do extremely unrealistic things to their costumes. Because of that it has to be real.
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28th November 2012, 08:37 PM	#10182
William Parcher Show me the monkey! Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 8,509	It's very obviously not the eyebrows moving up and down. The bone of the skull moves as if it were a kind of flexible alien structure not of this planet.
	__________________ Bigfoot believers and Bigfoot skeptics are both plumb crazy. Each spends more than one minute per year thinking about Bigfoot.

28th November 2012, 08:41 PM	#10183
William Parcher Show me the monkey! Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 8,509	The more I look the more it becomes obviously a fact that the eye socket (another bone structure) drastically changes shape.. like we can do with our lips. The skull itself can instantly change shape. Sweaty has brought us these facts.
	__________________ Bigfoot believers and Bigfoot skeptics are both plumb crazy. Each spends more than one minute per year thinking about Bigfoot.

28th November 2012, 09:00 PM	#10184
LTC8K6 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Directly under a deadly chemtrail Posts: 12,692	The nose, like Pinocchio, also appears to change length/shape. Amazing suit. We really need to see that Roger gets an award. Or maybe we need to explain the evolutionary consequences of all of this craniofacial variability? Amazing hominid...no wonder the DNA is so special...
	__________________ What a fool believes, no wise man has the power to reason away. What seems to be, is always better than nothing. 2 prints, same midtarsal crock..., I mean break?

28th November 2012, 09:11 PM	#10185
Castro Critical Thinker Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 290	Fascinating.The long-time suspected morphing abilities of bigfoot finally proved.
Castro Critical Thinker Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 290	Last edited by Castro; 28th November 2012 at 09:20 PM.

28th November 2012, 11:49 PM	#10186
SweatyYeti Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,027	Originally Posted by William Parcher It's very obviously not the eyebrows moving up and down. The bone of the skull moves as if it were a kind of flexible alien structure not of this planet. Why couldn't it be a combination of thick skin and hair that is moving up and down, William?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRXyIjocwLo The two Frames used in that animation are non-consecutive Frames...they are Frames 348 and 368... Frame 348...the frame in which the eyebrow appears lower....just happens to coincide with the exact moment when Patty's face first becomes hit/lit-up with direct sunlight, as she is turning her head towards Roger. Patty lowered her eyebrow as a response to the direct sunlight, in her face.
SweatyYeti Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,027	__________________ The wisdom of Diogenes.... "So far, I am not aware of any evidence which indicates with any degree of likeliness, however small, that Bigfoot creatures exist....anywhere in the world." tyr13: "There is no proof of bigfoot so there is no proof that bigfoot isn't a bear." Last edited by SweatyYeti; 28th November 2012 at 11:51 PM.

29th November 2012, 05:40 AM	#10187
demonunderyourbed Thinker Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 247	what no pointless coloured lines to go with the pointless giff.?? bigfoot can now shape shift aswell ..
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29th November 2012, 05:47 AM	#10188
Resume Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 8,038	Originally Posted by SweatyYeti Why couldn't it be a combination of thick skin and hair that is moving up and down, William?? Frame 348...the frame in which the eyebrow appears lower....just happens to coincide with the exact moment when Patty's face first becomes hit/lit-up with direct sunlight, as she is turning her head towards Roger. Patty lowered her eyebrow as a response to the direct sunlight, in her face. You still buy into the whole Lance Armstrong mystique, don't you?
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29th November 2012, 05:53 AM	#10189
William Parcher Show me the monkey! Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 8,509	Originally Posted by SweatyYeti Why couldn't it be a combination of thick skin and hair that is moving up and down, William?? Because you have demonstrated that the skull bone is moving. That is now a fact. Maybe you don't even realize what you have discovered. These are different things... Eyebrow Brow ridge Eyelid
	__________________ Bigfoot believers and Bigfoot skeptics are both plumb crazy. Each spends more than one minute per year thinking about Bigfoot.

29th November 2012, 06:01 AM	#10190
LTC8K6 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Directly under a deadly chemtrail Posts: 12,692	I raise my hand and block the sun when it's in my eyes... How the sun can be in Patty's eyes at ~1:30pm with her head looking at the ground is an exercise for the class, I guess.
	__________________ What a fool believes, no wise man has the power to reason away. What seems to be, is always better than nothing. 2 prints, same midtarsal crock..., I mean break?

29th November 2012, 06:08 AM	#10191
William Parcher Show me the monkey! Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 8,509	If you stop to think about it a dropping brow ridge bone would be a great adaptation. The problem with moving quickly in a forest is that you get your eyes poked out by branches and twigs. A "bone flap" could be lowered to essentially protect the eyeballs. The purpose of this could be debated. But what can't be debated is the fact that the skull itself is changing shape. That is shown right there on the film. I can't remember if Sweaty is a Creationist, but if so, such a feature could be attributed to God's creation.
	__________________ Bigfoot believers and Bigfoot skeptics are both plumb crazy. Each spends more than one minute per year thinking about Bigfoot.

29th November 2012, 06:52 AM	#10192
LTC8K6 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Directly under a deadly chemtrail Posts: 12,692	Would make more sense to just have the bigger/lower ridge there, rather than to invent a moving one. Plus, I also use my arm/hand to shield my eyes from brush. It works much better than a brow ridge ever could. A brow ridge would not be very effective for eye protection in dense brush, imo. Besides all that, wiki says the brow ridge has nothing to do with eyeball protection, it's for strength of that area of the skull, and many forest dwelling hominids don't even have much of one at all. It also seems to say that bipedalism reduced the need for the ridge. Seems much more likely that it's to protect the eye socket area during combat. Those grizzly bears don't like to give up their food.
	__________________ What a fool believes, no wise man has the power to reason away. What seems to be, is always better than nothing. 2 prints, same midtarsal crock..., I mean break?

29th November 2012, 08:08 AM	#10193
GT/CS Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,592	Yes, but you don't walk through the forest with a pig under each arm!
GT/CS Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,592	__________________ SweatyYeti or Bill Munns would be my vote for looking at this - BFSleuth @ BFF I've got plenty of common sense! I just choose to ignore it. - Calvin; October 15, 1986

29th November 2012, 10:12 AM	#10194
Drewbot Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,846	The moving brow ridge could be an adaptation for mating as well. IN DAVID ATTENBOUROUGH VOICE: The Male hides in the bushes, whilst the female walks seductively across a well groomed open area, typically with a dry creek-bed. She signals her willingness to mate by quizzically furrowing her brow ridge. perhaps Patty mistook the long-haired wig wearing Bob Gimlin for a male sasquatch.
Drewbot Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,846	__________________ "I dont call that evolution, I call that the survival of the fittest." - Bulletmaker "I thought skeptics would usually point towards a hoax rather than a group being duped." - makaya325 Kit is not a skeptic. He is a former Bigfoot believer that changed his position to that of non believer.- Crowlogic Last edited by Drewbot; 29th November 2012 at 10:14 AM.

29th November 2012, 10:16 AM	#10195
SweatyYeti Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,027	Originally Posted by William Parcher Because you have demonstrated that the skull bone is moving. That is now a fact. Maybe you don't even realize what you have discovered. These are different things... Eyebrow Brow ridge Eyelid Why couldn't it be a combination of thick skin and hair that is moving up and down, William??
SweatyYeti Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,027	__________________ The wisdom of Diogenes.... "So far, I am not aware of any evidence which indicates with any degree of likeliness, however small, that Bigfoot creatures exist....anywhere in the world." tyr13: "There is no proof of bigfoot so there is no proof that bigfoot isn't a bear."