Bush will write a book - Page 2

tomwaits · 20th January 2009, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by six7s

OK... so... what, in your opinion, is the point?

My point was the next sentence that you quoted.

Quote:

The jokes aren't necessarily old

Bush will go down in history for trotting out blunder after blunder, goof after goof, inanity after inanity, lie after lie, etc

So those intent on making light of the disaster zone that is/was Hurricane George have never been short of fresh material

"Fresh material"? Every joke in this thread has basically been "Bush can't read lol". You call that fresh material? I'd hate to see your old material.

Quote:

However, many of the jokes might be trite, predictable and pathetic... But then look at the subject matter

So you admit that I am right in that the jokes are old?

six7s · 20th January 2009, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by Whiplash

Childish...

Originally Posted by Patsy

...childish.

Why insult children?

Originally Posted by Whiplash

...and you guys surely know he's not a simpleton as you make him out.

I don't "surely know" any such thing

I take it that you're implying his track record equates to someone of at least adequate intellect for the role of POTUS

If so, please provide examples that illustrate this notion

If not, please explain what you are implying

Thank you

six7s · 20th January 2009, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by tomwaits

Every joke in this thread has basically been "Bush can't read lol".

Ummm... this thread is titled 'Bush will write a book', so it seems rather pertinent to focus on his literacy skills or lack thereof

Originally Posted by tomwaits

So you admit that I am right in that the jokes are old?

No, of course I don't - as to do so would be to add straw to what seems nothing more than a ridiculous attempt to obfuscate the issues, one of which is, I think, that it is absurd to suggest that an idiot like Bush - with the perception and attention span of a goldfish - can be expected to accurately document his term in office

ParanoidAndroid · 20th January 2009, 11:46 AM

I have to agree with six7s on this one...

Originally Posted by Whiplash

Childish, and you guys surely know he's not a simpleton as you make him out. Very sad.

...prove it. And what, in fact, is sad is that W was president for 8 years.

Thanks for keeping the seat warm and helping provide some unique challenges for the next guy; now, back to your ranch and your keg. Good riddance W.

ParanoidAndroid · 20th January 2009, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by Texas

...All he did was drive them completely ~~insane~~ inspired with ~~hate~~ clear minded good judgment as this thread proves.

-edited by PA-

Slight interpretive trouble...fixed it so your premise fits the evidence at hand.

ParanoidAndroid · 20th January 2009, 12:45 PM

Lo and behold, there seems to be help on the way for good ole W...

Whiplash · 20th January 2009, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by six7s

I don't "surely know" any such thing

I take it that you're implying his track record equates to someone of at least adequate intellect for the role of POTUS

If so, please provide examples that illustrate this notion

If not, please explain what you are implying

Originally Posted by ParanoidAndroid

I have to agree with six7s on this one...
...prove it.

I take it you guys are aware of the definition of a simpleton? Are you seriously suggesting Bush is a simpleton? This is simply hyperbole.

Look, as naive and pointless/unwinnable a battle as it may seem, I am someone who wants very much to try to turn political discussion/activity in a more civil direction.

I'm a conservative. Many conservatives are being bitter and now "giving it back" to the Obama and the left. They are doing so because they are angry that the left gave Bush such a vicious beating the last 8 years. And the left feels it was fair to do that because the right gave it to Clinton, hardcore, all through the 90's. And the left gave it to Bush/Reagan.. and the right gave it to Carter.. and the left gave it to Ford and Nixon. It goes back forever.

This has gotten to be ridiculous, to me. It's like the constant ongoing issues between the west and the middle east. We can go back throughout history and point "but you did this first!" till the end of time. It accomplishes nothing.

I'm trying to break the cycle, at least for myself. I'm not going to give it back. I am very disturbed and angered by what I've seen over the last 8 years, and even in this thread. But I won't pass any further judgement, and I apologize if I was on a high horse again. But I'm sick of this vicious back and forth. And I'm sick of it being personal, and insulting, back and forth. It's childish. I'm sorry if you disagree with me, but that's how I feel. I wish we could all rise above this sort of thing.

Whiplash · 20th January 2009, 01:13 PM

Perhaps I do not know the definition of simpleton after all, everything I am finding is basically "lacking in common sense or intelligence" when I have always thought it meant something much worse, such as being so low in intelligence as to have it be debilitating.

But I know, that would still apply to Bush. Ya, ya.

Blackadder · 20th January 2009, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by Patsy

The whole world has seen my dog standing on the drivers seat of my car with his paws on the steering wheel. I assure you, this does not mean my dog is capable of driving the car

Lies! I am part of the world, yet I haven't seen your dog.

fishbob · 20th January 2009, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by Whiplash

I'm a conservative. Many conservatives are being bitter and now "giving it back" to the Obama and the left. They are doing so because they are angry that the left gave Bush such a vicious beating the last 8 years. And the left feels it was fair to do that because the right gave it to Clinton, hardcore, all through the 90's. And the left gave it to Bush/Reagan.. and the right gave it to Carter.. and the left gave it to Ford and Nixon. It goes back forever.

Bush is getting his beating, not for conservatism, but for partisanship above statesmanship, deceit, incompetence, and promoting the idea that non-intelligence is a virtue. Anybody thinking about being bitter about this might want to take a close and careful look at what Bush actually accomplished.

Did anybody see the Daily Show excerpts from Bush's final press conference where he identified some of his 'disappointments'? I suspect that his book will be more of the same. But heavily edited to remove all the funny.

six7s · 20th January 2009, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by Whiplash

I take it you guys are aware of the definition of a simpleton?

I take you are aware of the definition of poetic licence?

Originally Posted by Whiplash

Are you seriously suggesting Bush is a simpleton?

Yes

Originally Posted by Whiplash

This is simply hyperbole.

So what?

Originally Posted by Whiplash

Look, as naive and pointless/unwinnable a battle as it may seem, I am someone who wants very much to try to turn political discussion/activity in a more civil direction.

Tip: jumping to the defense of an infamous fool and liar is probably a misdirection of your time and energy

Originally Posted by Whiplash

I'm a conservative.

What issues/aspects of life/etc are at the top of the list of things you want to conserve?

Originally Posted by Whiplash

Many conservatives are being bitter and now "giving it back" to the Obama and the left.

And many liberals are dancing in the streets, over-joyed that there are clear indications that the majority of adults in one of the post powerful nations in the history of humanity do not necessarily endorse the barbarism and stupidity of the last eight years

Originally Posted by Whiplash

They are doing so because they are angry that the left gave Bush such a vicious beating the last 8 years.

Their anger s a problem that only they can deal with

Originally Posted by Whiplash

And the left feels it was fair to do that because <snip/>

Really? How do you know?

Originally Posted by Whiplash

I'm trying to break the cycle, at least for myself. I'm not going to give it back.

Cool

Maybe you could make a start by suppressing the urge to make knee-jerk, angry, reactionary responses at a time when others are celebrating the beginning of a new period of hope

dafydd · 20th January 2009, 01:51 PM

Is he dumb? Some genuine quotes from the man himself.

"I'm telling you there's an enemy that would like to attack America, Americans, again. There just is. That's the reality of the world. And I wish him all the very best."

"I've abandoned free market principles to save the free market system."

"I've been in the Bible every day since I've been the president."

"Anyone engaging in illegal financial transactions will be caught and persecuted."

Amigo! Amigo!" --George W. Bush, calling out to Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi in Spanish at the G-8 Summit, Rusutsu, Japan, July 10, 2008

"Throughout our history, the words of the Declaration have inspired immigrants from around the world to set sail to our shores. These immigrants have helped transform 13 small colonies into a great and growing nation of more than 300 people."

"I'll be long gone before some smart person ever figures out what happened inside this Oval Office." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., May 12, 2008

"We look forward to hearing your vision, so we can more better do our job. That's what I'm telling you."

"I can only speak to myself."

"We have enough coal to last for 250 years, yet coal also prevents an environmental challenge."

"Make no mistake about it, I understand how tough it is, sir. I talk to families who die."

"I said I was looking for a book to read, Laura said you ought to try Camus. I also read three Shakespeares. ... I've got a eck-a-lec-tic reading list."

"You never know what your history is going to be like until long after you're gone."

"And so during these holiday seasons, we thank our blessings."

"Let me put it to you bluntly. In a changing world, we want more people to have control over your own life."

"I'm honored to shake the hand of a brave Iraqi citizen who had his hand cut off by Saddam Hussein."

"There may be some tough times here in America. But this country has gone through tough times before, and we're going to do it again."

etc,etc,etc .................

Patsy · 20th January 2009, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by Blackadder

Lies! I am part of the world, yet I haven't seen your dog.

Well drats, I suppose that at least one or two people had to miss him and spoil my hyperbole

fuelair · 20th January 2009, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by Texas

LOL Yep he is so dumb he kicked the democrat's collective butts for 8 years and they never laid a glove on him. All he did was drive them completely insane with hate as this thread proves.

as I recall, you and I agree on Israel and guns (for us). I fear Shrub is not something we agree on. I think (in reality) that he is at best mildly competant in the !00-110 IQ range and without a deep thought in his mind. The things he "did" were actually done by Cheney and Rove and their serviles, not Shrub. History will decide which of us is right on that. I am in no fear of it's ultimate decision.

The Atheist · 20th January 2009, 06:15 PM

The Onion certainly hasn't finished with him.

http://www.theonion.com/content/news...cy_of_george_w

Wowbagger · 20th January 2009, 09:59 PM

Originally Posted by The Atheist

The Onion certainly hasn't finished with him.

http://www.theonion.com/content/news...cy_of_george_w

They have proof that Bush is really a genius!

http://www.theonion.com/content/node.../2?slideshow=0

I never thought he was a simpleton. Incompetent managers are rarely simpletons. But, I never realized how much he knew about physics! Whoa!!

Tin Foil Timothy · 20th January 2009, 10:22 PM

Originally Posted by tomwaits

I'm hoping that since Obama is elected, the lame "Bush is dumb" jokes will stop.

They're not jokes, they are accurate observations.

Tin Foil Timothy · 20th January 2009, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by Whiplash

I take it you guys are aware of the definition of a simpleton? Are you seriously suggesting Bush is a simpleton? This is simply hyperbole.

Look, as naive and pointless/unwinnable a battle as it may seem, I am someone who wants very much to try to turn political discussion/activity in a more civil direction.

I'm a conservative. Many conservatives are being bitter and now "giving it back" to the Obama and the left. They are doing so because they are angry that the left gave Bush such a vicious beating the last 8 years. And the left feels it was fair to do that because the right gave it to Clinton, hardcore, all through the 90's. And the left gave it to Bush/Reagan.. and the right gave it to Carter.. and the left gave it to Ford and Nixon. It goes back forever.

This has gotten to be ridiculous, to me. It's like the constant ongoing issues between the west and the middle east. We can go back throughout history and point "but you did this first!" till the end of time. It accomplishes nothing.

I'm trying to break the cycle, at least for myself. I'm not going to give it back. I am very disturbed and angered by what I've seen over the last 8 years, and even in this thread. But I won't pass any further judgement, and I apologize if I was on a high horse again. But I'm sick of this vicious back and forth. And I'm sick of it being personal, and insulting, back and forth. It's childish. I'm sorry if you disagree with me, but that's how I feel. I wish we could all rise above this sort of thing.

Ok, he's not quite a simpleton. But he's on the level to manage a used car lot not be the POTUS. Bush is on the level of Sarah Palin. People you laugh at and not respect. His brain was mashed with booze. Palin's was mashed with religious cults and wonderful views of Russia from her house

Sword_Of_Truth · 21st January 2009, 12:17 AM

Could I get everyone replying to this thread to list the number of hours they have in supersonic fighter jets?

ParanoidAndroid · 21st January 2009, 01:03 AM

Umm...wait; there was that weekend in San Diego..........and a week in...no wait, that was somebody else…

…OK; sum total including the aircraft that may or may not ‘technically’ be “supersonic” but are in spitting distance...and rounding up...the grand total is...............carry the 1: yup, 0 hours.

Sword_Of_Truth · 21st January 2009, 01:08 AM

I see...

Have you even been certified by United States Air Force flight instructors as a jet fighter pilot?

ParanoidAndroid · 21st January 2009, 01:52 AM

Personally...well...no...

Though, I know a guy who's an acquaintance of a friend of my second cousin who is licensed to navigate go-carts on controlled and maintained tracks for modest profit (but really, all the money is in the side bets, but no one is supposed to know that part, so keep that on the down-low) and he says that once they remove the governors, those carts move pretty damn fast.

Now this guy's older brother used to do the same. He worked hard to be the first in his family to pass all the tests that are required to race go-carts; a lot of reading required...not to mention all the testing. But he was a reasonably bright guy so it proved no problem.

Now after this older brother's racing career was over by several years, he decided he wanted to run a racing team. He figured he had some experience with driving and racing and he had run a remote-controlled race car team for a few years just after he gave up the go-carts so he decided to give it a go.

What he and many others didn't take into account was that some form of dementia or brain damage from cocaine and alcohol binges had robbed him of what little common sense and judgment this retired go-cart racer had begun with and, as it turned out, the more savvy and less honorable members of the racing team he tried running later on just twisted him this way and that. Well, before you know it, that once functional, now retired go-cart racer of simple wit found himself over his head and the racing team sinking fast.

Anyway, this guy did the only thing he knew to try to get things turned around: he prayed on it. He tried to spin all of his poor management choices to the ownership committee and for a while, this bought him some time. Inevitably though, his incompetence proved so glaring that when his contract ended, even trusted employees who had supported his efforts to run this team wouldn't be picked to take over when his contract was up. Last I heard, he was trying to write his story of turmoil and conviction in leadership. Wouldn't you know it though; he could barely string a coherent sentence together and the project drags on still......

...but I digress...why do you ask?

Sword_Of_Truth · 21st January 2009, 01:57 AM

So you've logged no time in any high performance combat aircraft, nor have USAF instructors even cleared you to do so.

Is any of this because you aren't smart enough?

ParanoidAndroid · 21st January 2009, 02:18 AM

You’d have to ask my wife, therapist, imaginary friend Bill, or the fools who gave me my degree to get a fair assessment. Of the cuff, I'd insist that I might in fact not be smart enough. I certainly lack the discipline, drive, or desire requisite to be cleared. Truth be told, I very probably couldn't be cleared medically for any of a variety of reasons. I'd never try...my skill set doesn't fit.

I like jets. I admire those who fly them. For many reasons I am unqualified to do so myself...maybe the go-carts, though.

Sword_Of_Truth · 21st January 2009, 02:23 AM

So you accept that you need to be smart to be a fighter pilot?

Do you also accept that USAF instructors use all due diligence to ensure that Americas most advanced weaponry is operated by those with the appropriate mental and physical capacity?

ParanoidAndroid · 21st January 2009, 02:35 AM

Indeed (at least the plausibility and probability that a certain level of intelligence is required, though I can't personally certify that as fact).

Will you accept that even the most intelligent of fighter pilots could fall prey to greatly lessened mental capacities as a result of the passage of time, chemical use/abuse, some form of dementia, or some combination thereof and given the fact that his last military certified flight occurred over 35 years ago?

...this is fun, but you're going to need to circle in on your point quickly or I'll have to suspend the exchange until tomorrow...nearing sleepy time rapidly...

Mojo · 21st January 2009, 03:25 AM

Originally Posted by dafydd

Is he dumb? Some genuine quotes from the man himself.

My personal favourite:

Quote:

For every fatal shooting, there were roughly three non-fatal shootings. And, folks, this is unacceptable in America. It's just unacceptable. And we're going to do something about it.

Sword_Of_Truth · 21st January 2009, 04:04 AM

Originally Posted by ParanoidAndroid

Will you accept that even the most intelligent of fighter pilots could fall prey to greatly lessened mental capacities as a result of the passage of time, chemical use/abuse, some form of dementia, or some combination thereof and given the fact that his last military certified flight occurred over 35 years ago?

No.

In fact, Chuck Yeager flew his final supersonic flight 50 years after his first one at the age of 74. This in spite being a rather hard drinker in his own youth.

George W. Bush, has served as a two term president, led the country through one of its darkest hours, overseen two successful military campaigns and has enjoyed an unbroken string of electoral victories since first defeating Ann Richards for the Texas governors chair. And in addition to keeping himself mentally engaged, he has kept up a regimen of regular exersize. From a clinical standpoint, he's done everything a man his age needs to do to maintain his mental acuity.

Instead of arguing that Bush's mental capacity could have deteriorated, why don't you come up with proof?

Quote:

...this is fun, but you're going to need to circle in on your point quickly or I'll have to suspend the exchange until tomorrow...nearing sleepy time rapidly...

I've made my point. You have failed (refused?) to provide any proof of yours.

I hold no illusions about Bush. He is by no means a "Great Communicator". The casual violence he inflicted on the english language on a regular basis has provided no end of amusement to his opponents and frustration to his supporters.

But speaking ability is not the sole indicator of intellect. And if you want this insistence that Bush is mentally disabled to be interpreted as anything other than a childish backlash against someone who defeated your side in the political arena you should back your claims up.

six7s · 21st January 2009, 05:01 AM

Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth

George W. Bush, has served as a two term president

Are you suggesting that this is a good thing?

If so, why?

Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth

led the country through one of its darkest hours

Hah! You're funny

Bush didn't lead... he lied!

Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth

overseen two successful military campaigns

Define success

Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth

and has enjoyed an unbroken string of electoral victories since first defeating Ann Richards for the Texas governors chair.

So what?

Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth

And in addition to keeping himself mentally engaged,

Proof?

Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth

he has kept up a regimen of regular exersize.

So?

Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth

From a clinical standpoint, he's done everything a man his age needs to do to maintain his mental acuity.

Then why is he so stoopid?

Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth

Instead of arguing that Bush's mental capacity could have deteriorated, why don't you come up with proof?

Ahemm... have you not read any newspapers over the last eight years? How about eaves-dropped on an adult conversation?

Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth

I've made my point.

In which universe?

Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth

You have failed (refused?) to provide any proof of yours.

See above

Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth

I hold no illusions about Bush. He is by no means a "Great Communicator". The casual violence he inflicted on the english language on a regular basis has provided no end of amusement to his opponents and frustration to his supporters.

But speaking ability is not the sole indicator of intellect.

Please, other than some spurious guff about piloting fighter jets, please provide evidence that suggests Teh Shrub possesses the level of intellect necessary to run a small business

Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth

And if you want this insistence that Bush is mentally disabled

Hyperbole, much?

Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth

to be interpreted as anything other than a childish backlash against someone who defeated your side in the political arena

Ummm... he's a loser, y'know?

Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth

you should back your claims up.

You should get out more often

ParanoidAndroid · 21st January 2009, 01:00 PM

Sword_Of_Truth,

...wait, you mean we weren't just enjoying friendly hypothetical banter? You tried to trap me, you salty devil. My mistake...

six7s responded in far more depth than I would have and I'm comfortable with the responses he provided.

I'll simply add two comments. Firstly, being that you show an apparent kinship to W in the form of having difficulty comprehending the English language, your exaggerative defensiveness is understandable; and secondly, I (and many others) have made my point that it is laughable that someone who (as you yourself have noted) has demonstrated increasing issues performing the most basic communication functions using his native language is now targeting writing a book; all in good fun.

Let me know if I need to simplify this further for you.

Sword_Of_Truth · 21st January 2009, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by ParanoidAndroid

six7s responded in far more depth than I would have and I'm comfortable with the responses he provided.

In that, I am disappointed, but not surprised.

ParanoidAndroid · 21st January 2009, 01:06 PM

If you really want me to demonstrate the flaws in your logic and obvious missteps in interpreting mine, I'll do so. It's no skin off my teeth.

ETA: I notice you haven't addressed six7s' points, why is that?

20th January 2009, 10:43 AM	#41
tomwaits Master Poster Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Chicago, IL, USA Posts: 2,288	Originally Posted by six7s OK... so... what, in your opinion, is the point? My point was the next sentence that you quoted. Quote: The jokes aren't necessarily old Bush will go down in history for trotting out blunder after blunder, goof after goof, inanity after inanity, lie after lie, etc So those intent on making light of the disaster zone that is/was Hurricane George have never been short of fresh material "Fresh material"? Every joke in this thread has basically been "Bush can't read lol". You call that fresh material? I'd hate to see your old material. Quote: However, many of the jokes might be trite, predictable and pathetic... But then look at the subject matter So you admit that I am right in that the jokes are old?
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20th January 2009, 10:46 AM	#42
six7s veretic Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Aotearoa Posts: 8,710	Originally Posted by Whiplash Childish... Originally Posted by Patsy ...childish. Why insult children? Originally Posted by Whiplash ...and you guys surely know he's not a simpleton as you make him out. I don't "surely know" any such thing I take it that you're implying his track record equates to someone of at least adequate intellect for the role of POTUS If so, please provide examples that illustrate this notion If not, please explain what you are implying Thank you
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20th January 2009, 10:58 AM	#43
six7s veretic Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Aotearoa Posts: 8,710	Originally Posted by tomwaits Every joke in this thread has basically been "Bush can't read lol". Ummm... this thread is titled 'Bush will write a book', so it seems rather pertinent to focus on his literacy skills or lack thereof Originally Posted by tomwaits So you admit that I am right in that the jokes are old? No, of course I don't - as to do so would be to add straw to what seems nothing more than a ridiculous attempt to obfuscate the issues, one of which is, I think, that it is absurd to suggest that an idiot like Bush - with the perception and attention span of a goldfish - can be expected to accurately document his term in office
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20th January 2009, 11:46 AM	#44
ParanoidAndroid Muse Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: er, um...who, me? Posts: 807	I have to agree with six7s on this one... Originally Posted by Whiplash Childish, and you guys surely know he's not a simpleton as you make him out. Very sad. ...prove it. And what, in fact, is sad is that W was president for 8 years. Thanks for keeping the seat warm and helping provide some unique challenges for the next guy; now, back to your ranch and your keg. Good riddance W.
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20th January 2009, 12:00 PM	#45
ParanoidAndroid Muse Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: er, um...who, me? Posts: 807	Originally Posted by Texas ...All he did was drive them completely ~~insane~~ inspired with ~~hate~~ clear minded good judgment as this thread proves. -edited by PA- Slight interpretive trouble...fixed it so your premise fits the evidence at hand.
	__________________ “There are some people who live in a dream world, and there are some who face reality; and then there are those who turn one into the other.” - Douglas H. Everett “Education is the path from cocky ignorance to miserable uncertainty.” - Mark Twain

20th January 2009, 12:45 PM	#46
ParanoidAndroid Muse Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: er, um...who, me? Posts: 807	A Little Help for a Recently Unemployed President... Lo and behold, there seems to be help on the way for good ole W...
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20th January 2009, 01:05 PM	#47
Whiplash Acting like a maniac Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Shipwrecked and Comatose Posts: 5,389	Originally Posted by six7s I don't "surely know" any such thing I take it that you're implying his track record equates to someone of at least adequate intellect for the role of POTUS If so, please provide examples that illustrate this notion If not, please explain what you are implying Originally Posted by ParanoidAndroid I have to agree with six7s on this one... ...prove it. I take it you guys are aware of the definition of a simpleton? Are you seriously suggesting Bush is a simpleton? This is simply hyperbole. Look, as naive and pointless/unwinnable a battle as it may seem, I am someone who wants very much to try to turn political discussion/activity in a more civil direction. I'm a conservative. Many conservatives are being bitter and now "giving it back" to the Obama and the left. They are doing so because they are angry that the left gave Bush such a vicious beating the last 8 years. And the left feels it was fair to do that because the right gave it to Clinton, hardcore, all through the 90's. And the left gave it to Bush/Reagan.. and the right gave it to Carter.. and the left gave it to Ford and Nixon. It goes back forever. This has gotten to be ridiculous, to me. It's like the constant ongoing issues between the west and the middle east. We can go back throughout history and point "but you did this first!" till the end of time. It accomplishes nothing. I'm trying to break the cycle, at least for myself. I'm not going to give it back. I am very disturbed and angered by what I've seen over the last 8 years, and even in this thread. But I won't pass any further judgement, and I apologize if I was on a high horse again. But I'm sick of this vicious back and forth. And I'm sick of it being personal, and insulting, back and forth. It's childish. I'm sorry if you disagree with me, but that's how I feel. I wish we could all rise above this sort of thing.
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20th January 2009, 01:13 PM	#48
Whiplash Acting like a maniac Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Shipwrecked and Comatose Posts: 5,389	Perhaps I do not know the definition of simpleton after all, everything I am finding is basically "lacking in common sense or intelligence" when I have always thought it meant something much worse, such as being so low in intelligence as to have it be debilitating. But I know, that would still apply to Bush. Ya, ya.
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20th January 2009, 01:23 PM	#49
Blackadder Muse Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Netherlands Posts: 729	Originally Posted by Patsy The whole world has seen my dog standing on the drivers seat of my car with his paws on the steering wheel. I assure you, this does not mean my dog is capable of driving the car Lies! I am part of the world, yet I haven't seen your dog.

20th January 2009, 01:32 PM	#50
fishbob Seasonally Disaffected Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Chilly Undieville Posts: 5,667	Originally Posted by Whiplash I'm a conservative. Many conservatives are being bitter and now "giving it back" to the Obama and the left. They are doing so because they are angry that the left gave Bush such a vicious beating the last 8 years. And the left feels it was fair to do that because the right gave it to Clinton, hardcore, all through the 90's. And the left gave it to Bush/Reagan.. and the right gave it to Carter.. and the left gave it to Ford and Nixon. It goes back forever. Bush is getting his beating, not for conservatism, but for partisanship above statesmanship, deceit, incompetence, and promoting the idea that non-intelligence is a virtue. Anybody thinking about being bitter about this might want to take a close and careful look at what Bush actually accomplished. Did anybody see the Daily Show excerpts from Bush's final press conference where he identified some of his 'disappointments'? I suspect that his book will be more of the same. But heavily edited to remove all the funny.
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20th January 2009, 01:40 PM	#51
six7s veretic Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Aotearoa Posts: 8,710	Originally Posted by Whiplash I take it you guys are aware of the definition of a simpleton? I take you are aware of the definition of poetic licence? Originally Posted by Whiplash Are you seriously suggesting Bush is a simpleton? Yes Originally Posted by Whiplash This is simply hyperbole. So what? Originally Posted by Whiplash Look, as naive and pointless/unwinnable a battle as it may seem, I am someone who wants very much to try to turn political discussion/activity in a more civil direction. Tip: jumping to the defense of an infamous fool and liar is probably a misdirection of your time and energy Originally Posted by Whiplash I'm a conservative. What issues/aspects of life/etc are at the top of the list of things you want to conserve? Originally Posted by Whiplash Many conservatives are being bitter and now "giving it back" to the Obama and the left. And many liberals are dancing in the streets, over-joyed that there are clear indications that the majority of adults in one of the post powerful nations in the history of humanity do not necessarily endorse the barbarism and stupidity of the last eight years Originally Posted by Whiplash They are doing so because they are angry that the left gave Bush such a vicious beating the last 8 years. Their anger s a problem that only they can deal with Originally Posted by Whiplash And the left feels it was fair to do that because <snip/> Really? How do you know? Originally Posted by Whiplash I'm trying to break the cycle, at least for myself. I'm not going to give it back. Cool Maybe you could make a start by suppressing the urge to make knee-jerk, angry, reactionary responses at a time when others are celebrating the beginning of a new period of hope
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20th January 2009, 01:51 PM	#52
dafydd Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Belgium (Flatland) Posts: 31,476	Is he dumb? Some genuine quotes from the man himself. "I'm telling you there's an enemy that would like to attack America, Americans, again. There just is. That's the reality of the world. And I wish him all the very best." "I've abandoned free market principles to save the free market system." "I've been in the Bible every day since I've been the president." "Anyone engaging in illegal financial transactions will be caught and persecuted." Amigo! Amigo!" --George W. Bush, calling out to Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi in Spanish at the G-8 Summit, Rusutsu, Japan, July 10, 2008 "Throughout our history, the words of the Declaration have inspired immigrants from around the world to set sail to our shores. These immigrants have helped transform 13 small colonies into a great and growing nation of more than 300 people." "I'll be long gone before some smart person ever figures out what happened inside this Oval Office." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., May 12, 2008 "We look forward to hearing your vision, so we can more better do our job. That's what I'm telling you." "I can only speak to myself." "We have enough coal to last for 250 years, yet coal also prevents an environmental challenge." "Make no mistake about it, I understand how tough it is, sir. I talk to families who die." "I said I was looking for a book to read, Laura said you ought to try Camus. I also read three Shakespeares. ... I've got a eck-a-lec-tic reading list." "You never know what your history is going to be like until long after you're gone." "And so during these holiday seasons, we thank our blessings." "Let me put it to you bluntly. In a changing world, we want more people to have control over your own life." "I'm honored to shake the hand of a brave Iraqi citizen who had his hand cut off by Saddam Hussein." "There may be some tough times here in America. But this country has gone through tough times before, and we're going to do it again." etc,etc,etc .................

20th January 2009, 03:10 PM	#53
Patsy Prickly Desert Denizen Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Tucson, where we don't have weather, we have climate Posts: 586	Originally Posted by Blackadder Lies! I am part of the world, yet I haven't seen your dog. Well drats, I suppose that at least one or two people had to miss him and spoil my hyperbole
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20th January 2009, 04:57 PM	#54
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28,954	Originally Posted by Texas LOL Yep he is so dumb he kicked the democrat's collective butts for 8 years and they never laid a glove on him. All he did was drive them completely insane with hate as this thread proves. as I recall, you and I agree on Israel and guns (for us). I fear Shrub is not something we agree on. I think (in reality) that he is at best mildly competant in the !00-110 IQ range and without a deep thought in his mind. The things he "did" were actually done by Cheney and Rove and their serviles, not Shrub. History will decide which of us is right on that. I am in no fear of it's ultimate decision.
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20th January 2009, 06:15 PM	#55
The Atheist The Grammar Tyrant Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Within smelling distance of the Grammar Death Camps Posts: 13,928	The Onion certainly hasn't finished with him. http://www.theonion.com/content/news...cy_of_george_w
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20th January 2009, 09:59 PM	#56
Wowbagger The Infinitely Prolonged Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Westchester County, NY (when not in space) Posts: 13,531	Originally Posted by The Atheist The Onion certainly hasn't finished with him. http://www.theonion.com/content/news...cy_of_george_w They have proof that Bush is really a genius! http://www.theonion.com/content/node.../2?slideshow=0 I never thought he was a simpleton. Incompetent managers are rarely simpletons. But, I never realized how much he knew about physics! Whoa!!
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20th January 2009, 10:22 PM	#57
Tin Foil Timothy Banned Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,089	Originally Posted by tomwaits I'm hoping that since Obama is elected, the lame "Bush is dumb" jokes will stop. They're not jokes, they are accurate observations.
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20th January 2009, 10:30 PM	#58
Tin Foil Timothy Banned Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,089	Originally Posted by Whiplash I take it you guys are aware of the definition of a simpleton? Are you seriously suggesting Bush is a simpleton? This is simply hyperbole. Look, as naive and pointless/unwinnable a battle as it may seem, I am someone who wants very much to try to turn political discussion/activity in a more civil direction. I'm a conservative. Many conservatives are being bitter and now "giving it back" to the Obama and the left. They are doing so because they are angry that the left gave Bush such a vicious beating the last 8 years. And the left feels it was fair to do that because the right gave it to Clinton, hardcore, all through the 90's. And the left gave it to Bush/Reagan.. and the right gave it to Carter.. and the left gave it to Ford and Nixon. It goes back forever. This has gotten to be ridiculous, to me. It's like the constant ongoing issues between the west and the middle east. We can go back throughout history and point "but you did this first!" till the end of time. It accomplishes nothing. I'm trying to break the cycle, at least for myself. I'm not going to give it back. I am very disturbed and angered by what I've seen over the last 8 years, and even in this thread. But I won't pass any further judgement, and I apologize if I was on a high horse again. But I'm sick of this vicious back and forth. And I'm sick of it being personal, and insulting, back and forth. It's childish. I'm sorry if you disagree with me, but that's how I feel. I wish we could all rise above this sort of thing. Ok, he's not quite a simpleton. But he's on the level to manage a used car lot not be the POTUS. Bush is on the level of Sarah Palin. People you laugh at and not respect. His brain was mashed with booze. Palin's was mashed with religious cults and wonderful views of Russia from her house
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21st January 2009, 12:17 AM	#59
Sword_Of_Truth Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 11,497	Could I get everyone replying to this thread to list the number of hours they have in supersonic fighter jets?

21st January 2009, 01:03 AM	#60
ParanoidAndroid Muse Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: er, um...who, me? Posts: 807	Umm...wait; there was that weekend in San Diego..........and a week in...no wait, that was somebody else… …OK; sum total including the aircraft that may or may not ‘technically’ be “supersonic” but are in spitting distance...and rounding up...the grand total is...............carry the 1: yup, 0 hours.
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21st January 2009, 01:08 AM	#61
Sword_Of_Truth Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 11,497	I see... Have you even been certified by United States Air Force flight instructors as a jet fighter pilot?

21st January 2009, 01:52 AM	#62
ParanoidAndroid Muse Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: er, um...who, me? Posts: 807	Personally...well...no... Though, I know a guy who's an acquaintance of a friend of my second cousin who is licensed to navigate go-carts on controlled and maintained tracks for modest profit (but really, all the money is in the side bets, but no one is supposed to know that part, so keep that on the down-low) and he says that once they remove the governors, those carts move pretty damn fast. Now this guy's older brother used to do the same. He worked hard to be the first in his family to pass all the tests that are required to race go-carts; a lot of reading required...not to mention all the testing. But he was a reasonably bright guy so it proved no problem. Now after this older brother's racing career was over by several years, he decided he wanted to run a racing team. He figured he had some experience with driving and racing and he had run a remote-controlled race car team for a few years just after he gave up the go-carts so he decided to give it a go. What he and many others didn't take into account was that some form of dementia or brain damage from cocaine and alcohol binges had robbed him of what little common sense and judgment this retired go-cart racer had begun with and, as it turned out, the more savvy and less honorable members of the racing team he tried running later on just twisted him this way and that. Well, before you know it, that once functional, now retired go-cart racer of simple wit found himself over his head and the racing team sinking fast. Anyway, this guy did the only thing he knew to try to get things turned around: he prayed on it. He tried to spin all of his poor management choices to the ownership committee and for a while, this bought him some time. Inevitably though, his incompetence proved so glaring that when his contract ended, even trusted employees who had supported his efforts to run this team wouldn't be picked to take over when his contract was up. Last I heard, he was trying to write his story of turmoil and conviction in leadership. Wouldn't you know it though; he could barely string a coherent sentence together and the project drags on still...... ...but I digress...why do you ask?
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21st January 2009, 01:57 AM	#63
Sword_Of_Truth Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 11,497	So you've logged no time in any high performance combat aircraft, nor have USAF instructors even cleared you to do so. Is any of this because you aren't smart enough?

21st January 2009, 02:18 AM	#64
ParanoidAndroid Muse Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: er, um...who, me? Posts: 807	You’d have to ask my wife, therapist, imaginary friend Bill, or the fools who gave me my degree to get a fair assessment. Of the cuff, I'd insist that I might in fact not be smart enough. I certainly lack the discipline, drive, or desire requisite to be cleared. Truth be told, I very probably couldn't be cleared medically for any of a variety of reasons. I'd never try...my skill set doesn't fit. I like jets. I admire those who fly them. For many reasons I am unqualified to do so myself...maybe the go-carts, though.
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21st January 2009, 02:23 AM	#65
Sword_Of_Truth Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 11,497	So you accept that you need to be smart to be a fighter pilot? Do you also accept that USAF instructors use all due diligence to ensure that Americas most advanced weaponry is operated by those with the appropriate mental and physical capacity?

21st January 2009, 02:35 AM	#66
ParanoidAndroid Muse Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: er, um...who, me? Posts: 807	Indeed (at least the plausibility and probability that a certain level of intelligence is required, though I can't personally certify that as fact). Will you accept that even the most intelligent of fighter pilots could fall prey to greatly lessened mental capacities as a result of the passage of time, chemical use/abuse, some form of dementia, or some combination thereof and given the fact that his last military certified flight occurred over 35 years ago? ...this is fun, but you're going to need to circle in on your point quickly or I'll have to suspend the exchange until tomorrow...nearing sleepy time rapidly...
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21st January 2009, 03:25 AM	#67
Mojo Mostly harmless Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nor Flanden Posts: 22,091	Originally Posted by dafydd Is he dumb? Some genuine quotes from the man himself. My personal favourite: Quote: For every fatal shooting, there were roughly three non-fatal shootings. And, folks, this is unacceptable in America. It's just unacceptable. And we're going to do something about it.
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21st January 2009, 04:04 AM	#68
Sword_Of_Truth Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 11,497	Originally Posted by ParanoidAndroid Will you accept that even the most intelligent of fighter pilots could fall prey to greatly lessened mental capacities as a result of the passage of time, chemical use/abuse, some form of dementia, or some combination thereof and given the fact that his last military certified flight occurred over 35 years ago? No. In fact, Chuck Yeager flew his final supersonic flight 50 years after his first one at the age of 74. This in spite being a rather hard drinker in his own youth. George W. Bush, has served as a two term president, led the country through one of its darkest hours, overseen two successful military campaigns and has enjoyed an unbroken string of electoral victories since first defeating Ann Richards for the Texas governors chair. And in addition to keeping himself mentally engaged, he has kept up a regimen of regular exersize. From a clinical standpoint, he's done everything a man his age needs to do to maintain his mental acuity. Instead of arguing that Bush's mental capacity could have deteriorated, why don't you come up with proof? Quote: ...this is fun, but you're going to need to circle in on your point quickly or I'll have to suspend the exchange until tomorrow...nearing sleepy time rapidly... I've made my point. You have failed (refused?) to provide any proof of yours. I hold no illusions about Bush. He is by no means a "Great Communicator". The casual violence he inflicted on the english language on a regular basis has provided no end of amusement to his opponents and frustration to his supporters. But speaking ability is not the sole indicator of intellect. And if you want this insistence that Bush is mentally disabled to be interpreted as anything other than a childish backlash against someone who defeated your side in the political arena you should back your claims up.

21st January 2009, 05:01 AM	#69
six7s veretic Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Aotearoa Posts: 8,710	Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth George W. Bush, has served as a two term president Are you suggesting that this is a good thing? If so, why? Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth led the country through one of its darkest hours Hah! You're funny Bush didn't lead... he lied! Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth overseen two successful military campaigns Define success Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth and has enjoyed an unbroken string of electoral victories since first defeating Ann Richards for the Texas governors chair. So what? Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth And in addition to keeping himself mentally engaged, Proof? Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth he has kept up a regimen of regular exersize. So? Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth From a clinical standpoint, he's done everything a man his age needs to do to maintain his mental acuity. Then why is he so stoopid? Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth Instead of arguing that Bush's mental capacity could have deteriorated, why don't you come up with proof? Ahemm... have you not read any newspapers over the last eight years? How about eaves-dropped on an adult conversation? Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth I've made my point. In which universe? Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth You have failed (refused?) to provide any proof of yours. See above Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth I hold no illusions about Bush. He is by no means a "Great Communicator". The casual violence he inflicted on the english language on a regular basis has provided no end of amusement to his opponents and frustration to his supporters. But speaking ability is not the sole indicator of intellect. Please, other than some spurious guff about piloting fighter jets, please provide evidence that suggests Teh Shrub possesses the level of intellect necessary to run a small business Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth And if you want this insistence that Bush is mentally disabled Hyperbole, much? Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth to be interpreted as anything other than a childish backlash against someone who defeated your side in the political arena Ummm... he's a loser, y'know? Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth you should back your claims up. You should get out more often
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21st January 2009, 01:00 PM	#70
ParanoidAndroid Muse Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: er, um...who, me? Posts: 807	Sword_Of_Truth, ...wait, you mean we weren't just enjoying friendly hypothetical banter? You tried to trap me, you salty devil. My mistake... six7s responded in far more depth than I would have and I'm comfortable with the responses he provided. I'll simply add two comments. Firstly, being that you show an apparent kinship to W in the form of having difficulty comprehending the English language, your exaggerative defensiveness is understandable; and secondly, I (and many others) have made my point that it is laughable that someone who (as you yourself have noted) has demonstrated increasing issues performing the most basic communication functions using his native language is now targeting writing a book; all in good fun. Let me know if I need to simplify this further for you.
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21st January 2009, 01:03 PM	#71
Sword_Of_Truth Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 11,497	Originally Posted by ParanoidAndroid six7s responded in far more depth than I would have and I'm comfortable with the responses he provided. In that, I am disappointed, but not surprised.

21st January 2009, 01:06 PM	#72
ParanoidAndroid Muse Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: er, um...who, me? Posts: 807	If you really want me to demonstrate the flaws in your logic and obvious missteps in interpreting mine, I'll do so. It's no skin off my teeth. ETA: I notice you haven't addressed six7s' points, why is that?
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