Psychic actually answering doubts...

[chillzero]

Colin Fry is a tv psychic in the uk, hosting a show called the Sixth Sense.
Now, I have often complained about entried being removed from this site that raise any doubt about his abilities, or those of John Edwards on the same channel, but amazingly, someone posted a thread calling him a fake, and he has decided to answer it rather than remove it...

http://www.livingtv.co.uk/ubb/Forum19/HTML/001442.html

very interesting.

He has also agreed to be online in the New Year, answering any questions from anyone (so long as there is no abuse). Might be interesting to follow too.
http://www.livingtv.co.uk/ubb/Forum19/HTML/001443.html

[chillzero]

Original article calling him fake
http://members.lycos.co.uk/colinfry/index.html

a Spiritualist newspaper, no less.

[Thumbo]

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Originally posted by cabby
Original article calling him fake
http://members.lycos.co.uk/colinfry/index.html

Check out the statement linked from the above: http://members.lycos.co.uk/colinfry/colinfry.htm

The short "statement supporting the demonstrator" includes some gems. My favourite:

"...now needs time to strengthen his mediumship within the confines of his home circle..."

[Dogwood]

Fascinating stuff cabby. Thanks for the links. Not much detail on the actual "enlightening" process though. Who turned on the lights? Who witnessed it? Who's making this claim?

[ImpyTimpy]

Call me a cynic in this instance but I seriously doubt in the claims of these "materialisation mediums". I find it laughable that all phenomena need to happen in absolute darkness. At the same time though there are reports of a floating trumpet or supposedly entire people materialising out of ectoplasm. How exactly are THESE things OBSERVED if the seance is in ABSOLUTE darkness?
Let's not forget about those 'ghostly' hands touching people... Just what makes it so ghostly in the first place?

Please, this is such a pathetic hoax I am very surprised that people still flock to it.

[LW]

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Originally posted by ImpyTimpy
How exactly are THESE things OBSERVED if the seance is in ABSOLUTE darkness?

Luminous paint. Next question?

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Let's not forget about those 'ghostly' hands touching people... Just what makes it so ghostly in the first place?

Filling a glove with ice. If a damp and cold hand is not ghostly in total darkness, then nothing is.

[kittynh]

Lamar Keene has his interesting book, "ThePsychic Mafia". He talks about how most of these guys and gals have a bad end...I get a little nervous about John Edwards, but I have my hopes that anyone that much of a sociopath will meet a "bad end"

[ImpyTimpy]

Thanks for answering. If luminous paint is used, then there is a source of 'light' in the room, yet these mediums claim ANY source of light will disrupt the ectoplasm. Why is luminous paint ok to use and say not nightvision goggles?

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Originally posted by LW

Luminous paint. Next question?


Filling a glove with ice. If a damp and cold hand is not ghostly in total darkness, then nothing is.

[Pyrts]

There's a standard set of tricks that fraudulent mediums use -- I've seen a tv show on them. The floating trumpet is a classic; the "tied down" medium simply lifts up the chair arms (which AREN'T fastened down) and lifts the trumpet with his own hands.

Voila.

Their shoes are designed so their feet easily slip in and out of the shoes so that they can manipulate things (including a magnet, which can slide things around on the table).

Here's a wonderful article about an expose that Houdini did which explains how a lot of the tricks are done:

http://www.cicap.org/en_artic/at101010.htm

[kittynh]

Lamar Keene in his book explains that the trumpet actually is expandable. So you can be sitting in your chair and expand the trumpet to up to 4 feet! He also had a trick so that someone could hold the trumpet in their hands and could feel the vibrations of the trumpet as the voices spoke....pretty boring when it was all explained.

[chillzero]

Well, my, my, my - I must retract this forum - Colin has withdrawn his offer - because- wait for it - it's a goodun -

the forum moderators are concerned that the servers will all crash because of the amount of interest in this posting.

uh huh

http://www.livingtv.co.uk/ubb/Forum19/HTML/001454.html

[ImpyTimpy]

Guess he couldn't handle the heat...

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Originally posted by cabby
Well, my, my, my - I must retract this forum - Colin has withdrawn his offer - because- wait for it - it's a goodun -

the forum moderators are concerned that the servers will all crash because of the amount of interest in this posting.

uh huh

http://www.livingtv.co.uk/ubb/Forum19/HTML/001454.html

[mindless]

He really thinks he has that many fans, talk about a big ego.

[dharlow]

With regard to physical mediums, I recommend Tony Cornell's "Investigating the Paranormal" if you have the time, and the money (rather expensive). He details some sittings he had with materialisation mediums, including one (Rita Gould) who had garnered quite a high reputation among some psychical researchers.

It seems to me that psychics have no problem with sceptics as long as they don't ask any awkward questions. Colin Fry does not like anyone that has a "bee in their bonnet", yet at school he said he had a most enquiring mind, and was always asking questions. By the way, there is going to be a program on mediums on BBC in February in the Everyman series, including Colin Fry, Gordon Smith and Robert Brown.

Another strange thing. See Psychic News Jan 4th 2003:-

David Thompson who by coincidence lives in Haywards Heath, the same place as Colin Fry, travelled up to a seance 5 hours' drive away with his wife.

Mr Thompson carefully showed the people present the self-locking cable ties which he insisted on using.

His wife fastened him securely to the wooden chair arms also. When it was all blacked out, the seance began. After 10 mins, there were physical manifestations, direct voice, and materialised forms walking among them. Trumpets flew, men, women and children walked amongst them.

I leave out a lot for convenience here, but "at the conclusion of our memorable seance, when the lights had been switched on again, we were to discover that the medium's cardigan, which prior to the seance had been fastened through the button holes with cable ties, had been reversed so that its front was at David's back, and its back was at his front. All other cable ties were as before - none had been disturbed, and they had to be cut with wire cutters in order to release him".

Can a scientist explain this to me please? Very interesting.

[Nova Land]

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Originally posted by Pyrts
There's a standard set of tricks that fraudulent mediums use -- I've seen a tv show on them.

Comic books prior to the mid-1960s also used to be a good source of stories exposing "psychic" tricks.

Superman, for example, used to have fewer stories about supervillains and more stories about real-word evils (slumlords, exploitative capitalists, tabloid reporters, and various scam artists). A common story would have Clark Kent being invited to a phony seance and using his superpowers to see how the medium was really doing the stunts (which the reader then got to see too). Superman then either surreptitiously exposed the stunts, or (more commonly) put on a hoax that convinced the medium there really was something supernatural and got the medium to bring out all the money the fake had scammed to invest in Superman's scam, which Superman would then give back to all the phony's victims.

There were also various series, such as Dr. 13 the Ghost-Breaker (who specialized in de-bunking claims of the paranormal), and Roy Raymond (whose TV show "Strange But True" investigated strange claims, which generally turned out to be hoaxes although some were hoaxes where something was pretending to be a ghost and it turned out actually to be a space alien...).

What led to these stories becoming far less common is the rise of Marvel Comics in the 1960s, with the idea of a single universe with a consistent continuity in which all the characters lived.

Previously, comic characters lived in an odd multi-reality in which, in one story, Batman might team up with Superman (since they lived in the same reality) and in the very next Batman would be helpless against an alien invasion (since there was no Superman in Batman's reality.) This allowed a great variety of stories -- in one Batman could solve a seemingly supernatural crime, explaining to Robin that it had to be a trick because there are no such things as ghosts, and in another Batman and Robin could or defeat a curse or fight villains with supernatural powers.

Once the idea of a unified continuity, with each story having to fit in, became common, then either ghosts and magic and psychics existed or they didn't -- and once a story was published in which these things were real, it became hard to do ones in which they weren't. (Dr. 13 was re-defined, for example, as an example of someone determined to expose the supernatural as a fake despite the massive evidence all around him that it was real.)

I mention all this not simply to reminisce about comics (although that's fun too) but for a better reason. Comics once were, and could potentially be again, a resource in educating against superstition and scams.

Decades ago, a comic needed to have circulation in the hundreds of thousands to continue publishing (and some had sales of over a million copies per issue). Today a comic that sells 50,000 copies is doing well, and many comics are published with circulation of under 5,000.

Comic book writers and editors have long been known for being very interested in readers' opinions, and for being responsive to readers' concerns. If more skeptics bought, read, and wrote letters of comment to comics, there is a good chance of influencing the kinds of stories that appear there -- much better, I believe, than one's chance of affecting tv shows, movies, or other media.

If we lefties could use these techniques to take over comics and get more more blacks, more Asians, more women, more gays, and more socially-concerned heroes introduced (to the point that some conservatives wail about comics being part of the left-wing conspiracy), there is every chance that skeptics can do the same.

[xouper]

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Muddy: Mr Thompson carefully showed the people present the self-locking cable ties which he insisted on using. ... His wife fastened him securely to the wooden chair arms also. When it was all blacked out, the seance began. ... Can a scientist explain this to me please?

Magician Ian Rowland has demonstrated on TV how this is done. The ends of the arms of the chair are not securely connected to the posts as most people would assume. David can simply raise the arm up off the post, slip the cable ties off the ends of the arms and proceed to do all manner of things with his free hands. And then when the show is near the end, he slips the cable ties back over the ends of the chair arms and reconnects the arms to the posts, giving the impression that his hands were securely fastened to the chair the whole time, when if fact they were not, even though the cable ties were never broken.

[Druid]

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Originally posted by cabby
Colin Fry is a tv psychic in the uk, hosting a show called the Sixth Sense.
Now, I have often complained about entried being removed from this site that raise any doubt about his abilities, or those of John Edwards on the same channel, but amazingly, someone posted a thread calling him a fake, and he has decided to answer it rather than remove it...

http://www.livingtv.co.uk/ubb/Forum19/HTML/001442.html

very interesting.

He has also agreed to be online in the New Year, answering any questions from anyone (so long as there is no abuse). Might be interesting to follow too.
http://www.livingtv.co.uk/ubb/Forum19/HTML/001443.html

Hi Cabby,

I use the livingTv forums quite regularly and have had lots of posts removed.
The forum is a joke as they now seem to only allow those who support Mr Fry to have their say.
Over the last few days I have had at least 10 posts removed because they question Colin Fry or his supporters.
Whatever happened to free speech??
I am completely disgusted with the attempts Colin Fry and Livingtv have gone to to cover up the truth including removing my posts, changing the contents of threads I have started and in the case of a user called Velmwend actually barring him from posting because he pointed out the similiarites between Colin Frys posts and that of one of his supporters called Wanda Witch.

To anyone thinking of going to this forum I can only say Dont waste your time.

Regards,
Druid.

[thaiboxerken]

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Originally posted by Pyrts
There's a standard set of tricks that fraudulent mediums use[/url]

Isn't this a rather redundant statement? All mediums are fraudulent.

[Voob]

I'm always amazed by the rationalizations people use to support their beliefs even when presented with proof of fraud.

Somebody switches the lights on during a seance. The "medium" who had been tied up is caught red-handed standing there swinging a trumpet around.

The medium claims to have been possessed by a bad spirit which caused him to do this and people believe it.

As the restraints are "scientifically" tested to see how the spirit could have broken them, the medium's group announces that it will take more precautions in the future to protect the medium from this sort of thing happening.

Don't the believers realize how utterly stupid they look?

Stupid and lazy. Stupid for needing to be suckered, and lazy for not taking ten minutes to find out for themselves how common and easily explained these parlour tricks are.

What century is this?

Idiots....

[ImpyTimpy]

I'd say the gullibility begins the second the lights are turned off, so the whole seance happens in "absolute" darkness....

I guess the spirits are just shy.

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Originally posted by Voob
I'm always amazed by the rationalizations people use to support their beliefs even when presented with proof of fraud.

Somebody switches the lights on during a seance. The "medium" who had been tied up is caught red-handed standing there swinging a trumpet around.

The medium claims to have been possessed by a bad spirit which caused him to do this and people believe it.

As the restraints are "scientifically" tested to see how the spirit could have broken them, the medium's group announces that it will take more precautions in the future to protect the medium from this sort of thing happening.

Don't the believers realize how utterly stupid they look?

Stupid and lazy. Stupid for needing to be suckered, and lazy for not taking ten minutes to find out for themselves how common and easily explained these parlour tricks are.

What century is this?

Idiots....

[chillzero]

I found a reason why these have to be done in darkness. ~It was posted by someone having a go at Druid, actually.

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The introduction of light is what caused the demise of many physical mediums of the past, when because of ectoplasm rushing back into their bodies too quickly caused internal bleeding. Helen Duncan died within two weeks from the injuries she received when police, who were trying to discredit her mediumship, grabbed hold of the ectoplasm as it rushed back into her body.

So there you go.

[Crossbow]

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Originally posted by Muddy
Another strange thing. See Psychic News Jan 4th 2003:-

David Thompson who by coincidence lives in Haywards Heath, the same place as Colin Fry, travelled up to a seance 5 hours' drive away with his wife.

Mr Thompson carefully showed the people present the self-locking cable ties which he insisted on using.

His wife fastened him securely to the wooden chair arms also. When it was all blacked out, the seance began. After 10 mins, there were physical manifestations, direct voice, and materialised forms walking among them. Trumpets flew, men, women and children walked amongst them.

I leave out a lot for convenience here, but "at the conclusion of our memorable seance, when the lights had been switched on again, we were to discover that the medium's cardigan, which prior to the seance had been fastened through the button holes with cable ties, had been reversed so that its front was at David's back, and its back was at his front. All other cable ties were as before - none had been disturbed, and they had to be cut with wire cutters in order to release him".

Can a scientist explain this to me please? Very interesting.

These are the some of the same stunts that were popular with mediums of the early 1900's. Houdini exposed many of them and explained their tricks. The most simple is that when the lights go down, assitants show up and do things blow horns, touch people, flash lights, etc.

This bozo is obiviously using very old tricks so that he will not have to tax his little mind by coming up with new ones.

What a bore!

[ntech]

Quote:

Originally posted by cabby
Colin Fry is a tv psychic in the uk, hosting a show called the Sixth Sense.
Now, I have often complained about entried being removed from this site that raise any doubt about his abilities, or those of John Edwards on the same channel, but amazingly, someone posted a thread calling him a fake, and he has decided to answer it rather than remove it...

http://www.livingtv.co.uk/ubb/Forum19/HTML/001442.html

very interesting.

He has also agreed to be online in the New Year, answering any questions from anyone (so long as there is no abuse). Might be interesting to follow too.
http://www.livingtv.co.uk/ubb/Forum19/HTML/001443.html

I quess that makes him a bold faker!

[Druid]

Quote:

Originally posted by cabby
Colin Fry is a tv psychic in the uk, hosting a show called the Sixth Sense.
Now, I have often complained about entried being removed from this site that raise any doubt about his abilities, or those of John Edwards on the same channel, but amazingly, someone posted a thread calling him a fake, and he has decided to answer it rather than remove it...

http://www.livingtv.co.uk/ubb/Forum19/HTML/001442.html

very interesting.

He has also agreed to be online in the New Year, answering any questions from anyone (so long as there is no abuse). Might be interesting to follow too.
http://www.livingtv.co.uk/ubb/Forum19/HTML/001443.html

Colin stated that this incident was investigated and he was cleared of any fraud so i asked him some pretty basic questions about it.

Here are the questions followed by his comments (unedited)

Who conducted the investigation??
What was the conclusion?
Are the findings of the investigation available to anyone??
You say you will go into it in more depth in your autobiography.. is this because revealing the truth now may damage sales of your book and/or ruin your credibility as a TV medium.
Isn't 'spirit possession' an easy way out when your caught red-handed??
Is this the reason you refuse to be tested by scientists??
What were you doing with an Illuminous trumpet in the first place?

Dear David

I will try to answer you questions in order .
I would be pleased if you would keep my replies to you private as at preseent I can not reply to any come back on the living forum as I will not enter till the hacker has been caught -thanks for the advice about protection but I have already attended to that .



it was at my at my request and on the advice of the the then committe of the Noahs ark society ,an investigation was conducted by Mr Hilton Thompson
there where a number of perculiarities to this incident which I should tell you before we discuss the investigation and its conclusions.
On the day of the experimental seance I had been developing physical mediumship in a closed circle for about two years ,there where many at the time including myself who felt that it was really to early in the development of this form of mediumship to be allowing so many outside sitters to be sitting -however at the time there was quiet a lot of pressure placed on me as I was one of only two mediums allowing outsiders to attend seances .
anyway on the particular day I had felt since early morning that the seance should not procceed ,but as there was approx 30 people attending who had all travelled long distances I felt obliged to continue (should have trusted my feelings!)
once the seance had began and I had reluctantly allowed the trance state to come over me several of the regular sitters including my 68 year old circle leader felt that all was not right as the seance was not following a normal course of events with the phenomena being crude and aggressive .
the lights had been extinguished at the beggining of the seance and the light switches had been boxed over and secured with 'duck tape ' ,approx 20 min in to the seance all the main lighting came on , to reveal me standing in the middle of the room in what was described as a dazed state ,now we get into the area of what those attending claim they saw a) some report a dark mass wipping back into the seance cabinet and myself being thrown to the floor screaming in pain b) others report that I fell to the floor and no dark mass was seen but the seance trumpet was not initially in my hand but fell from mid air into my outstrtched arms! c) others say I was not even standing on the ground but was suspended approx 12" of the ground .therfore I must conclude that the views of the witnessess is unreliable or at best subjective

As at the time I was said to be in great distress and in considrable pain with bruising and burn marks to the solar plexus I was escorted from the room to recover .
several attending checked the cabinet area where I had been secured to a windsor style chair using 300llb breaking strain cable ties to the amazement of everyone these where lying on the floor broken , but not at the obviouse point of the conections
these where gathered togethere and sealed in a plastic bag which was secured and signed over by two people .
the investigator was asked to specifically look into two points 1) how could the lights come on when they where boxed over with and duck take that had not been tampered with 2) how where the cable ties broken when stronger men than I where asked to break them and found it impossibile .

the question to the lights I must come to later .
the cable ties where taken to a university (believe it was duraham ) and analised under electo Microscope -the analsis had them baffelled -apparently polymer (plastic) if cut or snapped under normal circumstances will stretch -there where no signs of stretching -they further concluded that the only way they could recreate these breaks was to either freeze them in dry ice (which they concluded had not been done with the ones from the seance ) or hold them tight in a vice and at great speed drop a weighted pendulum blade on them which avoided the stretching - when the point was put to them had this methord been used what would have happened as was the case with them tight around a persons wrists and ankles at the time the reponse was that it would have with out doubt have cut of the persons hands and feet !
Further to this investigation the committee of the NAS and several scientists asked me to conduct a test seance which was conducted a week later the purpose of this seance was to try to ascertain from my spirit controls why this had happened and why they had not stopped it .

The answer they recieved was that in fact they had tried to impress on me not to procceed with the seance which of course I had , realising that matters had developed beyond there control it had in fact been them that had thrown the lights(worth noting the lights where revealed to still be in the off positon once the boxing had been removed) on even though this risked my well being and of course would expose me to the inevitable accusations of fraud , this decision I have long accepted to be the right one for them to have taken .

further to this my main control announced that the culprit of this mischief a distressed soul called danny was to be allowed to come through again but under control to give account of himself ,it transpired that this poor unfourtunate was goaded into this action by what he called the voices in the dark place , he then proccedded to be extremly abusive to all present expressing his hatred for them and me , as there where several very experianced spiritualists present this poor soul was persuaded to allow himself to be guided to a place of peace .

The summary of the findings where published in Psychic news but the full report was only made availibile to the members of the Noahs ark society on request as this had been an experimental seance organised for members only.

It was on my insistance that Psychic news was keept informed and that the whole subject was not hushed up (not that the NAS had any intention of doing so ).

Although at the time Mr Hilton Thompson was the technical advisor of the NAS his directive in this investigation was to assertain facts even if this was unfavourable to me (with my full support).

The conclusion has to be that a) there is no provable scientific reason why the lights came on b) the breakage of the cable ties was unexplainable by scientific analisis.

From a personal point I have never avoided talking about this subject and have done so on many occassions publicly even using it in lectures as a warning not to push the development of your mediumship to fast .
I have since this incident conducted thousands of seances all over the world often in the presence of men of science ,who I still maintain are often the worst people to set themselves up as investigators .

There is no great mystery as to why I prefer to use this incident for my autobigraphy -after all is that not the point of an autobigraphy to tell the story of your life -I can assure you it will certainly not be a sanitised version of my life -I intend it to be a warts and all account .

To be constantly under suspision as a fraud comes with the terriotry of being a medium or psychic -I will not be the first to be accused or the last -but I know I am at heart and honest man -I can answer to my conscience and my God , I have never claimed that the incident at the seance was a case of possession more a case of some frightend confused and angry soul lashing out - so accusse me of what you will my conscience is clear I have never knowingly been fraudulant .

The reason I have no intrest in scientific investigation is that its all been done before -I am not going to be a part of scientists fence sitting and wrangle -the SPR has existed for over a hundred years and acheived nothing ,other than question the morals sanity and honesty of Mediums and investigators alike .

More than this they want quick results but are not prepared to sit for what might take years to achieve only ending up with a botched and flawed findings -recent examples 'the scole report ' and the findings of Prof Gary swartz .
they walk away its the mediums who suffer the indiganaty of charater assasination .

As for the illlumious trumpet -its standard equipment in a physical seance where trumpet phenomena is anticipated .


As for my credibility -do you not think I was aware that although there would be praise there would be equal amounts of cynisism sceptisism and outright hostility .
If I was to be truley bothered by this I would have stayed out of the limelight and contiuned to pursue a very successful career in management , but sometimes you just have to have the courage to face the flack for the sake of the people who do believe or want to believe ..

I am lead to belive you also asked about the Axminster incident - I refuse to go back there on the basis that the whole accusation was leveled by a very bitter woman who where aggreaved becouse the centre would not promote her husbands claims to possess physical mediumship ,she caused great upset amongst those who attended a number of seances I had conducted there , which had bought forth remarkable evidence of the survival of the inviduals who made themselves known to the satisfaction of all who attended till she arrived on the scene -this woman only betrays her ignorance when she claims that the tangable spirit forms had mass and weight -A fact which has been scientifically shown many times . there where a number of complaints made about this woman by people who attended these seances but the committtee of the centre refused to take action against her ,I therefore decided I would not return .

I also understand that someone has been asking for tapes of the unedited sixth sense be submitted to 'experts' in cold reading ! who decided they where experts !
my feeling is they will find exactly what they have set themselves up to be self proclaimed experts in -becouse that is there agenda - from my view a pointless exersise only bound to fuel another pointless argument of "yes he does no he does not ".

In conclusion I do not conduct any public seances at all anymore but still occassionally conduct private seances for regular sitters and there reccomended freinds only, also for the Noahs ark society members about three times a year and my students at the college in sweden where I am the principle. the increasing risk of aggitators and those who had made it known they intended me harm made the risk of more public seances impossible ,and ultimatly I have a family and partner to consider who had asked me not to continue to place myself at risk in this way,the final straw was in 2001 when death threats where made against me by born again christians .

I ask you once again to respect this is a private coorespoundance and not to make my respounce to you publicly known ,once I am able to return to the forum and other chat area,s I will be more than happy to talk about these and any other issues.

regards
Colin Fry

p.s sorry about the spelling but I am dyslexic

Your thoughts?

[chillzero]

"Further to this investigation the committee of the NAS and several scientists asked me to conduct a test seance which was conducted a week later the purpose of this seance was to try to ascertain from my spirit controls why this had happened and why they had not stopped it ."

Scientists wanted to speak to his spirit guide- yeah, sure.

"I have since this incident conducted thousands of seances all over the world often in the presence of men of science ,who I still maintain are often the worst people to set themselves up as investigators."

eh???

Should also advise that although this old letter requests privacy, I believe this agreement was altered between Druid and Colin Fry in discusssion on the Living TV Forum, but then Colin backed out of the exchange.

[scepticuk2]

If you would like to know a little more about Colin Fry please take a look at my website. I am looking for the other Spiritualist articles about Fry- does anyone have them?

Regards

Paul

http://members.lycos.co.uk/colinfry/

[hgc]

What a great story from Colin. Talk about turning lemons into lemonade! But with a willing enough audience, you could give them p!ss and tell them it's a sweet drink.

[billydkid]

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Originally posted by kittynh
Lamar Keene has his interesting book, "ThePsychic Mafia". He talks about how most of these guys and gals have a bad end...I get a little nervous about John Edwards, but I have my hopes that anyone that much of a sociopath will meet a "bad end"

You and me both Kit.

[SteveGrenard]

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David Thompson who by coincidence lives in Haywards Heath, the same place as Colin Fry, travelled up to a seance 5 hours' drive away with his wife.

Its no coincidence. Thomspon and Fry work together. I scheduled a seance for a family member with Fry at Hayward's Heath, less than an hrs drive from Brighton. They both use the same venue there. There were about two dozen people present but Frye didn' show up and Thompson took his place. I later spoke to a radio talk show host in Australia since Thompson was going there to perform. I told him to look out if certain spirits would appearas they did in the UK. . Well these same spirits showed up in Australia as well.

Fry's excuse: he was too busy taping a TV show.

[showme2]

Yeah, well ... given the choice of recording a tv show or dealing with incorrigible cynics like yourself ... what would YOU do ?

[Psiload]

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Originally posted by showme2
Yeah, well ... given the choice of recording a tv show or dealing with incorrigible cynics like yourself ... what would YOU do ?

Simple choice... If I were a fraud like Colin, I'd go for the shameless self-promotion, rather than risk letting an incorrigible cynic anywhere near a light switch while I was holding a trumpet in the pitch dark.

[Small Town Jesus]

"What were you doing with an Illuminous trumpet in the first place?" - Good question from Druid

Mr Fry's reply:- "As for the illlumious trumpet -its standard equipment in a physical seance where trumpet phenomena is anticipated."

Best laugh I've had all day!

STJ

[Stumpy]

Colin has addressed the reasons for not allowing his physcical mediumship seances to be filmed. Colin Fry is vice president of "The Noah's Ark Society"

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"The Noahs Ark society" does not cooperate with any organisation that wishes to film seances ,it has long been the policy of the society that indvidual members are free to undertake what ever reasearch they wish with whom ever they wish but as a society we are of the belief that physical phenomena and mediumship should be witnessed as a personal experiance or more importantly developed yourself in the confines of a closed home circle over many years ultimatly to be offered as a service to sincere seekers . And only in this manner can a conviction of spirit communication take place .
I find it particulary annoying that the organisation who has irritated me so much have taken it open themselves to place the sharpe refusal from the NAS webmaster on their website but do not deem it neccassary to put the rude and agressive corespoundance from them that provoked such a sharpe refusal !
The NAS is open to applications for membership from all interested members of the public and due consideration is given to all membership applications by the society committee based on the merits of the indviduals applying and their commitment and sincere interest in physical mediumship its history ,preservation and development.
Colin

Source:http://www.livingtv.co.uk/ubb/Forum19/HTML/004963.html

regards

Stumpy

[showme2]

Small Town Jesus

It's a luminous trumpet actually (i.e. one that glows in the dark), not an "illuminous" one ! But never mind .....

[showme2]

Hiya Stumpy ! .... fancy meeting you here.

I'm still waiting for your reply to my challenge on the 6ixth Sense forum to provide me with all of the griff on my paternal grandfather if I just give you my credit card details ....

[showme2]

Psiload

OK, humourous smartass comments apart (and I can appreciate humour and wit as well as anyone else) how do you account for the fact that the lights came on despite the fact that the switch was blanked off with a box and Gaffer Tape and that, when these were removed, the light switch was still in the OFF position ?

You sceptics are the ones who want to explain everything scientifically, so explain that away scientifically .....

[SteveGrenard]

The nameless organization Fry refers to in his diatribe against scientific investigation and filming of seances of physical meidumship, FYI, is the Society of Psychial Research and primarily Montague Keen.

The SPR was, indeed, kind enough to include a link to the NAS on its link page in spite of the NAS and Fry's refusal to cooperate in any scientific investigation of physical mediumship and that especially includes audio-videotaping using infra red illumination.

[teddygrahams]

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Originally posted by showme2
Psiload

OK, humourous smartass comments apart (and I can appreciate humour and wit as well as anyone else) how do you account for the fact that the lights came on despite the fact that the switch was blanked off with a box and Gaffer Tape and that, when these were removed, the light switch was still in the OFF position ?

You sceptics are the ones who want to explain everything scientifically, so explain that away scientifically .....

Duuuhh .... 3-way switch ?