Claim: Soul releases "unnatural" energy upon death

Lonewulf · 13th February 2009, 02:09 PM

[14:46] Friend: actually, upon the moment of death, there is an unnatural release of energy
[14:46] Cybawulf999: Evidence?
[14:47] Friend: that science still cant explain
[14:47] Friend: google?

[...]

14:58] Friend: sorry work showed there back
[14:59] Friend: The electrical implus after death isn't a myth, it's detectible

Wasn't able to find anything on google, and he's rather unresponsive at the time.

Anyone ever hear of this? If so, is there any studies or the like on the topic?

This Guy · 13th February 2009, 02:15 PM

Well, I have a Fluke meter and a gun. Hook me up with your friend and we'll conduct an experiment.

Lonewulf · 13th February 2009, 02:20 PM

I agree, the claim is weird. I usually respect my friend here, but on this issue, I'm afraid that he came straight out of left field here. I've heard of the experiment, wherein they concluded that the soul weighed, like, 16 grams or the like, although it was unrepeatable. I've never heard of "strange energy being detectable", though.

This Guy · 13th February 2009, 02:28 PM

I've not heard of this either. I suspect if it were true, it would be a well known fact, not an obscure claim.

Zep · 13th February 2009, 04:22 PM

Some guy back in the 1800's weighed people just before death and just after. He found a tiny but detectable reduction in weight of a few grams. He then claimed the difference was the weight of "the soul, having left the body", and drew the above conclusion.

Obviously absurd, because he failed utterly to take into account any other more sane reason for tiny weight loss at death, e.g. loss of moisture through the skin due to drying, loss of other stuff due to more icky processes, etc.

Putting it kindly, falls under the heading of making the data fit the result. I.e. backwards science.

Lonewulf · 13th February 2009, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by Zep

Some guy back in the 1800's weighed people just before death and just after. He found a tiny but detectable reduction in weight of a few grams. He then claimed the difference was the weight of "the soul, having left the body", and drew the above conclusion.

Obviously absurd, because he failed utterly to take into account any other more sane reason for tiny weight loss at death, e.g. loss of moisture through the skin due to drying, loss of other stuff due to more icky processes, etc.

Putting it kindly, falls under the heading of making the data fit the result. I.e. backwards science.

That's not it. He claims that the energy is detectable, not to do with weight, emanating from the brain I believe.

MrQhuest · 13th February 2009, 04:32 PM

I wonder how much the volume of air within the lungs weighs....

MrQ

Lonewulf · 13th February 2009, 04:34 PM

Update: The argument has shifted. He admits that he was probably wrong about the "unnatural" energy.

[18:27] Friend: i could be wrong, i've never read a formal study. i just remember folks testing energy pulses at death

The conversation has now moved onto Near Death Experiences.

[18:29]Friend: no like know how people with near death situations.. people see themselves floating over themselves
[18:29] Friend: typically in hospitals
[18:29] Cybawulf999: Same thing with the NASA testing
[18:29] Cybawulf999: If it's replicated by someone that's definitely alive and not about to die, I'm not sure how much weight to give it as evidence of an afterlife
[18:31] Friend: well.. they put like pictures facing up in hospitals..
[18:31] Friend: and tested to see if folks could see them
[18:34] Cybawulf999: Results?
[18:36] Friend: its an on going study

Note: My friend is not religious, but he does seem to favor belief in the Afterlife, for personal fears of non-existence after death.

Rasmus · 13th February 2009, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by Lonewulf

That's not it. He claims that the energy is detectable, not to do with weight, emanating from the brain I believe.

Even if that was true, what could possibly be the basis for the claim that this energy comes from anything that could reasonably called a "soul"?

Lonewulf · 13th February 2009, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by Rasmus

Even if that was true, what could possibly be the basis for the claim that this energy comes from anything that could reasonably called a "soul"?

It doesn't. I wanted to pursue whether or not the study existed in the first place before arguing its veracity, though.

Zep · 13th February 2009, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by MrQhuest

I wonder how much the volume of air within the lungs weighs....

MrQ

Yep. I think most of us can see obvious good reasons for the results. In fact, if we apply a little thought to the situation, it would be predictable, not unexpected.

As to the "electrical energy" thing, that's merely gross ignorance. I've heard variations on this, but it runs along the lines that since there is "electricity" in the body when it is alive (presumably they mean nerve impulses), and none when the body is dead, it has to go somewhere! at the time of death. I wondered for an instant where they thought our bodily batteries were...

Denver · 13th February 2009, 04:43 PM

In the book "SPOOK: Science Tackles the Afterlife", Mary Roach speaks to Professor Bruce Greyson, who seems to be conducting those kinds of experiments in conjuntion with some hospitals (or at least was as of 2005, when that book was printed).

Looks like his bio is at: http://www.healthsystem.virginia.edu...s/biobruce.cfm

I Ratant · 13th February 2009, 05:16 PM

Place the soon-to-be deceased in a sealed room, and weigh the room.

At the instant of death, check the weight.
Any air expelled will be part of the room's weight.
Only the disappearance of the soul will change the weight.

Hokulele · 13th February 2009, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by Denver

In the book "SPOOK: Science Tackles the Afterlife", Mary Roach speaks to Professor Bruce Greyson, who seems to be conducting those kinds of experiments in conjuntion with some hospitals (or at least was as of 2005, when that book was printed).

Looks like his bio is at: http://www.healthsystem.virginia.edu...s/biobruce.cfm

I enthusiastically second this book. It describes a whole range of soul-searching experiments (including the weighing the dying one from the 1800's).

Fredrik · 13th February 2009, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by Zep

Some guy back in the 1800's weighed people just before death and just after. He found a tiny but detectable reduction in weight of a few grams. He then claimed the difference was the weight of "the soul, having left the body", and drew the above conclusion.

Obviously absurd, because he failed utterly to take into account any other more sane reason for tiny weight loss at death, e.g. loss of moisture through the skin due to drying, loss of other stuff due to more icky processes, etc.

Originally Posted by MrQhuest

I wonder how much the volume of air within the lungs weighs....

As I recall, he did account for the air in the lungs, the "icky" stuff, and a few other things (or at least he tried). I'm more concerned about how accurate his scale was, and the fact that he only did four measurements (if I remember it right).

You can probably find the article online if you care. I remember that I read it (years ago) at a site with "ghostweb" in the name, and the guy's name was Duncan McDougall (but I'm not sure I'm spelling it right).

shadron · 13th February 2009, 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by MrQhuest

I wonder how much the volume of air within the lungs weighs....

MrQ

Uhhhhhh... nothing. If his lungs are collapsed, it is, of course, nothing. If it's still in his lungs, it's buoyed up by additional displacement of air. In fact, the weight of any body is buoyed up (made lighter) by the amount of air displaced by the body, unless it is weighed in a vacuum. The only time when air makes a difference is if it is compressed or rarified, so it's density is different from the ambient air that buoys it up. Thus a football, when blown up, is a trifle heavier than it is when it is deflated, because the air inside is compressed and has a higher density. The air in the lungs is normally at the same pressure as ambient.

Soapy Sam · 13th February 2009, 06:34 PM

Has your friend been reading Philip Pullman?

casebro · 13th February 2009, 06:42 PM

McDougall's had the bed on a scale. We discussed it here about 3-4 years ago? No weigh

his scale could weigh a body and a bed, say 300 pounds, and be that accurate.

Hmm, though, I would suspect the possibility of some truth to the electrical surge at death. Neurons discharge, allowing things to penetrate membranes- or not to. Chemistry is all about electrons and charges, so all those chemicals and all those membranes, some kind of discharge could happen. For instance, nerve impulses push calcium ions through membranes as the signal for a muscle cell to contract. Then, the muscle uses energy to push the ion back out, recharging for the next pulse. If the nerve system dies, what then? Would it be detectable?

I Ratant · 14th February 2009, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by casebro

McDougall's had the bed on a scale. We discussed it here about 3-4 years ago? No weigh

his scale could weigh a body and a bed, say 300 pounds, and be that accurate.

Hmm, though, I would suspect the possibility of some truth to the electrical surge at death. Neurons discharge, allowing things to penetrate membranes- or not to. Chemistry is all about electrons and charges, so all those chemicals and all those membranes, some kind of discharge could happen. For instance, nerve impulses push calcium ions through membranes as the signal for a muscle cell to contract. Then, the muscle uses energy to push the ion back out, recharging for the next pulse. If the nerve system dies, what then? Would it be detectable?

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Without any method to confine what was on the scale, like having the subject in a sealed container, the expiration of breath would show as a weight loss.
ALL the variables have to be accounted for, to state that the sought-for event was not merely something left out of consideration.

Eos of the Eons · 15th February 2009, 09:17 AM

What release of energy, and what is unnatural about it? Confuse him with mumbo jumbo about ATP, unlesss you want to be clear and learn a lot about it, and how it is not unnatural to no longer have the usual energy production or storage going on at the time of death (although some cells take longer to die than others).
http://biologyinmotion.com/atp/index.html
http://library.thinkquest.org/27819/ch4_3.shtml
Energy production stops, and who knows... maybe some of it could be released depending on how the person dies.

Definitely nothing unnatural about it though.

RecoveringYuppy · 15th February 2009, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by I Ratant

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Without any method to confine what was on the scale, like having the subject in a sealed container, the expiration of breath would show as a weight loss.

No, shadron was right about this. Air is a buoyant fluid that "communicates" it's weight by the pressure it exerts against things. We are immersed in it so that pressure surrounds us. The body on the scale has air pressing down from the top and up from the bottom of the scale. Air pressure "cancels out".

quarky · 15th February 2009, 10:16 AM

Heat is released. Warm bodies become cold.

I used to work with corpses. You could get a squawk out of one if you pushed down hard on their chest, forcing out some residual air. Good party trick. Possibly better done with a recently deceased chicken. Stomp hard.

"bacock"

BenBurch · 15th February 2009, 10:20 AM

CLAIM: Nonexistent thing releases nonexistent thing upon death.

Hard to refute.

ponderingturtle · 15th February 2009, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by Hokulele

I enthusiastically second this book. It describes a whole range of soul-searching experiments (including the weighing the dying one from the 1800's).

I need to read this, her book Bonk(about studying sex with science) is really good

quarky · 16th February 2009, 06:54 AM

Originally Posted by quarky

Heat is released. Warm bodies become cold.

I used to work with corpses. You could get a squawk out of one if you pushed down hard on their chest, forcing out some residual air. Good party trick. Possibly better done with a recently deceased chicken. Stomp hard.

"bacock"

actually, if a body died in Ethiopia, it might likely pick up some heat.

13th February 2009, 02:09 PM	#1
Lonewulf Humanistic Cyborg Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 10,380	Claim: Soul releases "unnatural" energy upon death [14:46] Friend: actually, upon the moment of death, there is an unnatural release of energy [14:46] Cybawulf999: Evidence? [14:47] Friend: that science still cant explain [14:47] Friend: google? [...] 14:58] Friend: sorry work showed there back [14:59] Friend: The electrical implus after death isn't a myth, it's detectible Wasn't able to find anything on google, and he's rather unresponsive at the time. Anyone ever hear of this? If so, is there any studies or the like on the topic?
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13th February 2009, 02:15 PM	#2
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13th February 2009, 02:20 PM	#3
Lonewulf Humanistic Cyborg Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 10,380	I agree, the claim is weird. I usually respect my friend here, but on this issue, I'm afraid that he came straight out of left field here. I've heard of the experiment, wherein they concluded that the soul weighed, like, 16 grams or the like, although it was unrepeatable. I've never heard of "strange energy being detectable", though.
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13th February 2009, 02:28 PM	#4
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13th February 2009, 04:22 PM	#5
Zep Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 26,985	Some guy back in the 1800's weighed people just before death and just after. He found a tiny but detectable reduction in weight of a few grams. He then claimed the difference was the weight of "the soul, having left the body", and drew the above conclusion. Obviously absurd, because he failed utterly to take into account any other more sane reason for tiny weight loss at death, e.g. loss of moisture through the skin due to drying, loss of other stuff due to more icky processes, etc. Putting it kindly, falls under the heading of making the data fit the result. I.e. backwards science.
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13th February 2009, 04:25 PM	#6
Lonewulf Humanistic Cyborg Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 10,380	Originally Posted by Zep Some guy back in the 1800's weighed people just before death and just after. He found a tiny but detectable reduction in weight of a few grams. He then claimed the difference was the weight of "the soul, having left the body", and drew the above conclusion. Obviously absurd, because he failed utterly to take into account any other more sane reason for tiny weight loss at death, e.g. loss of moisture through the skin due to drying, loss of other stuff due to more icky processes, etc. Putting it kindly, falls under the heading of making the data fit the result. I.e. backwards science. That's not it. He claims that the energy is detectable, not to do with weight, emanating from the brain I believe.
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13th February 2009, 04:34 PM	#8
Lonewulf Humanistic Cyborg Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 10,380	Update: The argument has shifted. He admits that he was probably wrong about the "unnatural" energy. [18:27] Friend: i could be wrong, i've never read a formal study. i just remember folks testing energy pulses at death The conversation has now moved onto Near Death Experiences. [18:29]Friend: no like know how people with near death situations.. people see themselves floating over themselves [18:29] Friend: typically in hospitals [18:29] Cybawulf999: Same thing with the NASA testing [18:29] Cybawulf999: If it's replicated by someone that's definitely alive and not about to die, I'm not sure how much weight to give it as evidence of an afterlife [18:31] Friend: well.. they put like pictures facing up in hospitals.. [18:31] Friend: and tested to see if folks could see them [18:34] Cybawulf999: Results? [18:36] Friend: its an on going study Note: My friend is not religious, but he does seem to favor belief in the Afterlife, for personal fears of non-existence after death.
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13th February 2009, 04:36 PM	#9
Rasmus Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 6,138	Originally Posted by Lonewulf That's not it. He claims that the energy is detectable, not to do with weight, emanating from the brain I believe. Even if that was true, what could possibly be the basis for the claim that this energy comes from anything that could reasonably called a "soul"?
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13th February 2009, 04:40 PM	#10
Lonewulf Humanistic Cyborg Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 10,380	Originally Posted by Rasmus Even if that was true, what could possibly be the basis for the claim that this energy comes from anything that could reasonably called a "soul"? It doesn't. I wanted to pursue whether or not the study existed in the first place before arguing its veracity, though.
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Zep Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 26,985	Originally Posted by MrQhuest I wonder how much the volume of air within the lungs weighs.... MrQ Yep. I think most of us can see obvious good reasons for the results. In fact, if we apply a little thought to the situation, it would be predictable, not unexpected. As to the "electrical energy" thing, that's merely gross ignorance. I've heard variations on this, but it runs along the lines that since there is "electricity" in the body when it is alive (presumably they mean nerve impulses), and none when the body is dead, it has to go somewhere! at the time of death. I wondered for an instant where they thought our bodily batteries were...
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Denver Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Denver, Colorado Posts: 6,602	In the book "SPOOK: Science Tackles the Afterlife", Mary Roach speaks to Professor Bruce Greyson, who seems to be conducting those kinds of experiments in conjuntion with some hospitals (or at least was as of 2005, when that book was printed). Looks like his bio is at: http://www.healthsystem.virginia.edu...s/biobruce.cfm

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I Ratant Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 15,305	Place the soon-to-be deceased in a sealed room, and weigh the room. At the instant of death, check the weight. Any air expelled will be part of the room's weight. Only the disappearance of the soul will change the weight.
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Hokulele Official Nemesis Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Trying to decide whether to set defenses against an army, or against mole rats. Posts: 27,268	Originally Posted by Denver In the book "SPOOK: Science Tackles the Afterlife", Mary Roach speaks to Professor Bruce Greyson, who seems to be conducting those kinds of experiments in conjuntion with some hospitals (or at least was as of 2005, when that book was printed). Looks like his bio is at: http://www.healthsystem.virginia.edu...s/biobruce.cfm I enthusiastically second this book. It describes a whole range of soul-searching experiments (including the weighing the dying one from the 1800's).
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Fredrik Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,912	Originally Posted by Zep Some guy back in the 1800's weighed people just before death and just after. He found a tiny but detectable reduction in weight of a few grams. He then claimed the difference was the weight of "the soul, having left the body", and drew the above conclusion. Obviously absurd, because he failed utterly to take into account any other more sane reason for tiny weight loss at death, e.g. loss of moisture through the skin due to drying, loss of other stuff due to more icky processes, etc. Originally Posted by MrQhuest I wonder how much the volume of air within the lungs weighs.... As I recall, he did account for the air in the lungs, the "icky" stuff, and a few other things (or at least he tried). I'm more concerned about how accurate his scale was, and the fact that he only did four measurements (if I remember it right). You can probably find the article online if you care. I remember that I read it (years ago) at a site with "ghostweb" in the name, and the guy's name was Duncan McDougall (but I'm not sure I'm spelling it right).
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13th February 2009, 06:26 PM	#16
shadron Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 5,719	Originally Posted by MrQhuest I wonder how much the volume of air within the lungs weighs.... MrQ Uhhhhhh... nothing. If his lungs are collapsed, it is, of course, nothing. If it's still in his lungs, it's buoyed up by additional displacement of air. In fact, the weight of any body is buoyed up (made lighter) by the amount of air displaced by the body, unless it is weighed in a vacuum. The only time when air makes a difference is if it is compressed or rarified, so it's density is different from the ambient air that buoys it up. Thus a football, when blown up, is a trifle heavier than it is when it is deflated, because the air inside is compressed and has a higher density. The air in the lungs is normally at the same pressure as ambient.
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13th February 2009, 06:42 PM	#18
casebro Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 6,794	McDougall's had the bed on a scale. We discussed it here about 3-4 years ago? No weigh his scale could weigh a body and a bed, say 300 pounds, and be that accurate. Hmm, though, I would suspect the possibility of some truth to the electrical surge at death. Neurons discharge, allowing things to penetrate membranes- or not to. Chemistry is all about electrons and charges, so all those chemicals and all those membranes, some kind of discharge could happen. For instance, nerve impulses push calcium ions through membranes as the signal for a muscle cell to contract. Then, the muscle uses energy to push the ion back out, recharging for the next pulse. If the nerve system dies, what then? Would it be detectable?
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I Ratant Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 15,305	Originally Posted by casebro McDougall's had the bed on a scale. We discussed it here about 3-4 years ago? No weigh his scale could weigh a body and a bed, say 300 pounds, and be that accurate. Hmm, though, I would suspect the possibility of some truth to the electrical surge at death. Neurons discharge, allowing things to penetrate membranes- or not to. Chemistry is all about electrons and charges, so all those chemicals and all those membranes, some kind of discharge could happen. For instance, nerve impulses push calcium ions through membranes as the signal for a muscle cell to contract. Then, the muscle uses energy to push the ion back out, recharging for the next pulse. If the nerve system dies, what then? Would it be detectable? . Without any method to confine what was on the scale, like having the subject in a sealed container, the expiration of breath would show as a weight loss. ALL the variables have to be accounted for, to state that the sought-for event was not merely something left out of consideration.

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quarky Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 20,454	Heat is released. Warm bodies become cold. I used to work with corpses. You could get a squawk out of one if you pushed down hard on their chest, forcing out some residual air. Good party trick. Possibly better done with a recently deceased chicken. Stomp hard. "bacock"
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15th February 2009, 10:20 AM	#23
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16th February 2009, 06:54 AM	#25
quarky Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 20,454	Originally Posted by quarky Heat is released. Warm bodies become cold. I used to work with corpses. You could get a squawk out of one if you pushed down hard on their chest, forcing out some residual air. Good party trick. Possibly better done with a recently deceased chicken. Stomp hard. "bacock" actually, if a body died in Ethiopia, it might likely pick up some heat.
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