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XxDeadlyNinjaxX · 23rd February 2009, 12:25 PM

What are the Freemasons?

Lol, Sorry its so short im just being Blunt I'm kind of freaked out right now about somethings I've heard.

JimBenArm · 23rd February 2009, 12:27 PM

They are a fraternal organization with some rituals that provide some sense of belonging, mystery and humor to their meetings.

That, and a front for the NWO.

dudalb · 23rd February 2009, 12:35 PM

Here we freaking go again.

XxDeadlyNinjaxX · 23rd February 2009, 12:37 PM

Lol. Well i found out someone in my family is one and i was curious

I am a little worried though

Ohnoes · 23rd February 2009, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by JimBenArm

They are a fraternal organization with some rituals that provide some sense of belonging, mystery and humor to their meetings.

That, and a front for the NWO.

They also hold a monthly BBQ plate & Baked goods fund raiser...Guess I have helped donate to the NWO all for the sake of homemade red velvet cake made with fluoride water to keep me coming back.

fitzgibbon · 23rd February 2009, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by XxDeadlyNinjaxX

Lol. Well i found out someone in my family is one and i was curious

I am a little worried though

Would you have been worried about this family member for any other reason? If not, what's the difference if he's a Mason?

XxDeadlyNinjaxX · 23rd February 2009, 12:50 PM

if anyone could help me with this I'll be grateful because honestly it is freaking me out pretty bad

XxDeadlyNinjaxX · 23rd February 2009, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by fitzgibbon

Would you have been worried about this family member for any other reason? If not, what's the difference if he's a Mason?

well the thing is, I dont know anything about the Masons and I've tried to google it but all that comes up is Junk.

JimBenArm · 23rd February 2009, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by XxDeadlyNinjaxX

if anyone could help me with this I'll be grateful because honestly it is freaking me out pretty bad

Why are you freaking out about this? It's a completely harmless fraternal organization. That's all. It's an excuse for some guys to get together and hang out. Nothing sinister at all.

Seriously. Chill. It's all just fine.

Ohnoes · 23rd February 2009, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by XxDeadlyNinjaxX

if anyone could help me with this I'll be grateful because honestly it is freaking me out pretty bad

You haven't really been clear on what is freaking you out. I mean if you are freaked out because he is a mason then you are freaking out for no reason.

EDIT..Man I'm a slow typer lol. Yeah what Jim said!

Also, all I ever see is really old people in their when I go to grab some BBQ, so I seriously doubt something sinister is going on behind close doors aside from putting too much mayo in the coleslaw.

XxDeadlyNinjaxX · 23rd February 2009, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by JimBenArm

Why are you freaking out about this? It's a completely harmless fraternal organization. That's all. It's an excuse for some guys to get together and hang out. Nothing sinister at all.

Seriously. Chill. It's all just fine.

ohh, okay because honestly I keep hearing things about them that sound pretty out there and i didnt know what to do.

XxDeadlyNinjaxX · 23rd February 2009, 12:57 PM

Well, the main thing that was freaking me out was hearing they are part of some NWO. I mean to hear that then hear about someone in my Family being a part of that type of group it all came at me at once and I probably am just overreacting

dudalb · 23rd February 2009, 12:59 PM

You need to learn how to evaluate evidence and think rationally, quick.

Hokulele · 23rd February 2009, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by XxDeadlyNinjaxX

Well, the main thing that was freaking me out was hearing they are part of some NWO. I mean to hear that then hear about someone in my Family being a part of that type of group it all came at me at once and I probably am just overreacting

Did you consider asking him directly?

fitzgibbon · 23rd February 2009, 01:02 PM

It's a non-denominational fraternity that accepts men of whatever religious stripe and uses the central aspects that the world's religions share to help men be of better utility to themselves, their families and society in general. To sum up, "Making good men better".

If this be the way of the NWO, then lead on.

HTH
Fitz

fitzgibbon · 23rd February 2009, 01:03 PM

Just as a follow-up, if you're getting the freak-out info off the likes of freemasonrywatch or abovetopsecret, you can take that information with more than a grain of salt.

This from a Mason, BTW

JimBenArm · 23rd February 2009, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by fitzgibbon

Just as a follow-up, if you're getting the freak-out info off the likes of freemasonrywatch or abovetopsecret, you can take that information with more than a grain of salt.

This from a Mason, BTW

Ah, so obviously we can't believe you!

XxDeadlyNinjaxX · 23rd February 2009, 01:05 PM

I know dudalb, I used to be more like that but the thing is with Me.

In October I heard about all this Conspiracy and NWO Garbage and it really messed Me up because I learned all of it at one time and i almost when into a bad state until i found this site and it helped me alot.

So I guess what I am trying to say is that I am recovering from such a Shock.

Ohnoes · 23rd February 2009, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by XxDeadlyNinjaxX

I know dudalb, I used to be more like that but the thing is with Me.

In October I heard about all this Conspiracy and NWO Garbage and it really messed Me up because I learned all of it at one time and i almost when into a bad state until i found this site and it helped me alot.

So I guess what I am trying to say is that I am recovering from such a Shock.

I know how that is man, and I was much like yourself and I just tried to block it out. However, I discovered it's much easier to dive head first and acquire the knowledge by rationally looking over all the evidence. The first thing that made it easy for me was when I watched my friend buy 50 bucks worth of DVDs from Jones. After that it was easy to read into these scams and disillusions from the scare mongers who want you to buy their books or go to their sites and rack up their points with advertisers.

Just breath and relax and then I'm sure you'll realize you have bigger things to worry about other than masons and other NWO propaganda. Like getting attacked by birds or sloths!

lionking · 23rd February 2009, 01:33 PM

There are far better sources for information about the masons than this forum. Try a library.

Unless you want others to do research for you.

fitzgibbon · 23rd February 2009, 02:03 PM

I've been told that Freemasonry for Dummies is actually pretty decent FWIW.

Roma · 23rd February 2009, 02:23 PM

My daughter's church youth pastor was really bent out of shape when he learned my whole family belongs to the Free Masons, so I invited him to an open meeting and Jobie girl's Christmas party afterward.
Now this was a really reluctant fellow but he came and eventually calmed down and had a good time.
Maybe you should find out when there is an open meeting and hang out with the Masons for awhile, they'll be glad to answer any question that you have.

Pantaz · 23rd February 2009, 03:55 PM

You might want to look through this thread...
Ask me about being a Freemason

fromdownunder · 23rd February 2009, 07:33 PM

I know that Aussie freemasons are partial to a beer at a barbie. But that's probably just for show.

Norm

JoeyDonuts · 23rd February 2009, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by XxDeadlyNinjaxX

So I guess what I am trying to say is that I am recovering from such a Shock.

I guess I still don't get it.

What about it shocked you so bad?

What I'm asking is - what behavior on the part of your family member shocked you? Is he doing anything that frightens you?

And here's the kicker - why don't you talk to HIM about it instead of letting people who make their living off of exploiting people's fear shape your worldview. Believe it or not, they have a vested interest in getting you afraid of your own family. Once you have the wedge driven between you and your relatives, you'll keep dropping money on their DVD's and "literature" trying to get closer to the truth. It's all a wash.

Your relations are not part of any kind of New World Order. Talk to him about your concerns instead of letting people on the outside make up your mind for you.

Alareth · 23rd February 2009, 08:27 PM

The Freemasons are about as dangerous as the Loyal Order of Water Buffalos

GodisEnergy · 23rd February 2009, 08:43 PM

Why do they need to be secret , i mean , your being charitable and worshiping god so why would you need to do it in secret lmao..

The top levels worship lucifer THATS WHY Its in Albert pikes book
Morals and Dogma .

JoeyDonuts · 23rd February 2009, 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by GodisEnergy

The top levels worship lucifer THATS WHY Its in Albert pikes book
Morals and Dogma .

Wow. I'm pretty sure you don't know that much about Albert Pike.

I invite you to prove me wrong.

I am not a Mason and have no vested interest in protecting the fraternity.

Did you know that the man responsible for the claims against Freemasonry of Satanic worship ADMITTED it was all a hoax in 1897?

He was also a former Mason himself, and was kicked out for bad behavior.

Your theory can be shot to hell simply by reading the preface to the book Morals and Dogma.

Did you bother to do that, or did you just start defaming willy-nilly?

fromdownunder · 23rd February 2009, 11:21 PM

Originally Posted by GodisEnergy

Why do they need to be secret , i mean , your being charitable and worshiping god so why would you need to do it in secret lmao..

The top levels worship lucifer THATS WHY Its in Albert pikes book
Morals and Dogma .

My brother was the Grand Poobah, or whatever they call it of one of the Mason groups in the Geelong area for two years. He is also a member of the Church of England, a lay preacher, and attends a public church every Sundayl. His wife is on the Vestry of that Church. They are simply normal people, with children and grandchildren, who happen to be Christians, and he happens to be a member of something that is little more than a social club which gets together for some social welfare work and a few drinks on a regular basis.

I take it that you have never been in any club that required any form of local ritual or privacy, so you either ignorant of such things, or think that they are all part of some sort of super conspiracy.

As far as praying in secret goes, and although this is a separate issue, this is what Jesus taught if the Bible has any veracity at all. Pray in private! Don't brag to the world how good you are, just do it quietly and privately.

Norm

Sword_Of_Truth · 23rd February 2009, 11:47 PM

Originally Posted by XxDeadlyNinjaxX

Lol. Well i found out someone in my family is one and i was curious

I am a little worried though

I totally understand.

I found out just the other day that my brother is a Blood Elf.

jj · 24th February 2009, 12:02 AM

Uh, if I may add to the "chill, dude" vote. I'm not a Mason, not eligible to be one, since they are deists of some stripe or other, although I knew some, know a few, and as far as I can tell they're on the average better joes than most.

It's a fraternity. A club. It arose out of a trade guild. Some kinds of Masons are among the most charity-minded folks around, look up the "Shriners".

The worst you can say about them is that they get together in big meetings in big halls with huge old pipe organs and sing along with the bouncing ball, or they used to, at least. They also sponsored big bands to come play in their ballroom.

Some of them do wear funny caps, and some others of them drive little tiny cars in parades.

So?

GodisEnergy · 24th February 2009, 12:21 AM

yea i dont mind praying in privacy, but for someone curious like me i would like them to teach me , instead they keep their secrets.

As for Taxil hoax, he comes out shows some secrets gets scared after they threaten him so he says its a hoax .
Or he is a mason intentionally revealling secrets so every time in the future when someone says thats a mason secret, they say no its a hoax.
This is masonic double headed eagle yin yang occultism propaganda.There very smart.
Or Predicitve programming

I agree most masons of master poohbars are just ordinary folk , but every religion has its extremists. christianity islam .
Then Why would Masonry and Jews be majically Exempt from this .
And why is it such a crime to critize them.But critisize christians muslims etc, considered trendy

fromdownunder · 24th February 2009, 01:04 AM

Originally Posted by GodisEnergy

Then Why would Masonry and Jews be majically Exempt from this .
And why is it such a crime to critize them.But critisize christians muslims etc, considered trendy

That's easy. Give me some evidence that there is anything in Masonry worth critisising. Something more than a CT type statement, that is.

Since Masons must have a belief in some sort of deity, individual Masons can be fundies, in which case they get critisised along with other fundies. Ditto with any other stupidity that any individual can come out with.

I have no problem with criticisng stupid Muslim beliefs, stupid CT beliefs, some of the more stupid beliefs held by some Christians, or flat earthers, Bermuda Trianglists, Yowie believers or any other claims which are cited without any evidence at all.

With Masons, show me the evidence that they are any less or more deserving of criticism than any other group, as a group. As individuals, they say something I believe is stupid, and I can support my point of view with evidence, I will say it.

Norm

jj · 24th February 2009, 01:19 AM

Originally Posted by GodisEnergy

yea i dont mind praying in privacy, but for someone curious like me i would like them to teach me , instead they keep their secrets.

As for Taxil hoax, he comes out shows some secrets gets scared after they threaten him so he says its a hoax .
Or he is a mason intentionally revealling secrets so every time in the future when someone says thats a mason secret, they say no its a hoax.
This is masonic double headed eagle yin yang occultism propaganda.There very smart.
Or Predicitve programming

I agree most masons of master poohbars are just ordinary folk , but every religion has its extremists. christianity islam .
Then Why would Masonry and Jews be majically Exempt from this .
And why is it such a crime to critize them.But critisize christians muslims etc, considered trendy

Yeah, a whopping conspiracy of guys who drive little cars around in parades and raise a stunning lot of money for Children's hospitals.

JoeyDonuts · 24th February 2009, 02:35 AM

Originally Posted by GodisEnergy

As for Taxil hoax, he comes out shows some secrets gets scared after they threaten him so he says its a hoax.

So Freemasonry allowed him to travel all over Europe for years spreading the secrets - become a celebrity of sorts - and wait until 1897 to shut him up? You gotta be kidding me. Like every other CT, this one requires your evil organization to be simultaneously all-powerful and incompetent. I know critical thinking isn't nearly as fun or giddy as raging against machines, but you gotta grow up sometime.

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Or he is a mason intentionally revealling secrets so every time in the future when someone says thats a mason secret, they say no its a hoax.

By that rationale all of their secrets are already out there, and we're all practically Masons now! If Taxil really put all the real secrets of Freemasonry out there in a protracted disinformation campaign, then you have no reason to be upset about their being secretive since you already know everything.

Or you could accept that this one walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, confessed to being a duck, and that's where it ends. But once again, I guess that's not nearly as fun.

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This is masonic double headed eagle yin yang occultism propaganda.There very smart.

[facepalm] Have you been huddling with Old Bob? Even your grammatical mistakes are similar.

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Or Predicitve programming

Which just about every person with a reasoning above that of a third grader accepts as being pure bunk. And again - it's more fun to pretend that our lives are in the grasp of shadowy puppet masters than to take responsibility for our own faults.

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I agree most masons of master poohbars are just ordinary folk , but every religion has its extremists. christianity islam .
Then Why would Masonry and Jews be majically Exempt from this .
And why is it such a crime to critize them.But critisize christians muslims etc, considered trendy

It's not a crime to criticize Masons and Jews. You're free to do it all you want. You're also going to get called on it because it displays ignorance.

When did criticizing Christians and Muslims become trendy again?

I think your brain-to-post cutout switch is malfunctioning.

abenja1 · 24th February 2009, 05:14 AM

Originally Posted by GodisEnergy

yea i dont mind praying in privacy, but for someone curious like me i would like them to teach me , instead they keep their secrets.

As for Taxil hoax, he comes out shows some secrets gets scared after they threaten him so he says its a hoax .
Or he is a mason intentionally revealling secrets so every time in the future when someone says thats a mason secret, they say no its a hoax.
This is masonic double headed eagle yin yang occultism propaganda.There very smart.
Or Predicitve programming

I agree most masons of master poohbars are just ordinary folk , but every religion has its extremists. christianity islam .
Then Why would Masonry and Jews be majically Exempt from this .
And why is it such a crime to critize them.But critisize christians muslims etc, considered trendy

When you at least attempt to start correctly spelling words, I will respond to your paranoid post.

CptColumbo · 24th February 2009, 07:05 AM

If Masonry is as powerful as has been suspected, my Dad really got the shaft. He's a former Master who worked and retired as a truck driver. He had to work a few extra years, past retirement age, so he could get that bump in Social Security.

I had to live with my great-Uncle a 33rd degree member of the Scottish Rite towards the end of his life (when he was diagnosed with alzheimers), because he couldn't afford a nursing home. The only thing he got was a large group of people showed up at his funeral and the Chanters (whom he was the accompaniest for) sang some hymms.

tomwaits · 24th February 2009, 08:00 AM

If you're so interested, why not just join and find out? It's not like it's that hard.

Horatius · 24th February 2009, 08:45 AM

Originally Posted by GodisEnergy

I agree most masons of master poohbars are just ordinary folk , but every religion has its extremists. christianity islam .
Then Why would Masonry and Jews be majically Exempt from this .
And why is it such a crime to critize them.But critisize christians muslims etc, considered trendy

Yes, but those "extremists" in the Masons are purely a matter of your speculation and imagination; the extremists in Christianity and Islam are matters of public record.

As fromdownunder said, when you provide evidence of "Mason Extremists" that's as clear as the evidence of Christians leading the Crusades, or pushing creationism, or of certain Muslims engaging in terrorism, then we'll talk.

LightinDarkness · 24th February 2009, 09:40 AM

Originally Posted by GodisEnergy

yea i dont mind praying in privacy, but for someone curious like me i would like them to teach me , instead they keep their secrets.

What secret would that be? Would that be the masonic ritual available in every bookstore, library, and available on google? Oh man, we're so good at keeping our secrets.

Ignorant people believe that the secrets of freemasonry entail something that gives you some sort of mystical knowledge or power. They are not. The signs, grips, words, and everything else are available for you to read or buy and have been for almost 300 years. You can buy it and memorize it all and still be no closer to the real secrets of freemasonry - which is nothing but the experience of going through the ritual.

Frankly why would it matter if there are secrets? It has no impact on your life. It doesn't prevent you from living the life the way you want. You do not have a right to know everything about every private organization in the world.

Originally Posted by GodisEnergy

I agree most masons of master poohbars are just ordinary folk , but every religion has its extremists. christianity islam .
Then Why would Masonry and Jews be majically Exempt from this .
And why is it such a crime to critize them.But critisize christians muslims etc, considered trendy

This solidifies that you have no idea what you are talking about. Freemasonry is not a religion. If you cannot tell the difference between a secular fraternity and religion, then you really should not be commenting about it. What in the world is someone going to get "extremist" about in freemasonry? Are they going to go extreme on the tenets of the fraternity - friendship, morality, and brotherly love? Oh noes! A brotherly love extremist..he's...he's..GIVING PEOPLE HUGS! RUN FOR THE HILLS!

23rd February 2009, 12:25 PM	#1
XxDeadlyNinjaxX Thinker Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 178	Freemasons. What are the Freemasons? Lol, Sorry its so short im just being Blunt I'm kind of freaked out right now about somethings I've heard.
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23rd February 2009, 12:27 PM	#2
JimBenArm Based on a true story! Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 13,018	They are a fraternal organization with some rituals that provide some sense of belonging, mystery and humor to their meetings. That, and a front for the NWO.
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23rd February 2009, 12:37 PM	#4
XxDeadlyNinjaxX Thinker Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 178	Lol. Well i found out someone in my family is one and i was curious I am a little worried though
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23rd February 2009, 12:37 PM	#5
Ohnoes Critical Thinker Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 274	Originally Posted by JimBenArm They are a fraternal organization with some rituals that provide some sense of belonging, mystery and humor to their meetings. That, and a front for the NWO. They also hold a monthly BBQ plate & Baked goods fund raiser...Guess I have helped donate to the NWO all for the sake of homemade red velvet cake made with fluoride water to keep me coming back.
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23rd February 2009, 12:50 PM	#7
XxDeadlyNinjaxX Thinker Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 178	if anyone could help me with this I'll be grateful because honestly it is freaking me out pretty bad
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23rd February 2009, 12:35 PM	#3
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 23,023	Here we freaking go again.

23rd February 2009, 12:49 PM	#6
fitzgibbon Master Poster Join Date: May 2007 Location: Just west of the centre of the universe Posts: 2,553	Originally Posted by XxDeadlyNinjaxX Lol. Well i found out someone in my family is one and i was curious I am a little worried though Would you have been worried about this family member for any other reason? If not, what's the difference if he's a Mason?

23rd February 2009, 12:51 PM	#8
XxDeadlyNinjaxX Thinker Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 178	Originally Posted by fitzgibbon Would you have been worried about this family member for any other reason? If not, what's the difference if he's a Mason? well the thing is, I dont know anything about the Masons and I've tried to google it but all that comes up is Junk.
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23rd February 2009, 12:52 PM	#9
JimBenArm Based on a true story! Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 13,018	Originally Posted by XxDeadlyNinjaxX if anyone could help me with this I'll be grateful because honestly it is freaking me out pretty bad Why are you freaking out about this? It's a completely harmless fraternal organization. That's all. It's an excuse for some guys to get together and hang out. Nothing sinister at all. Seriously. Chill. It's all just fine.
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23rd February 2009, 12:55 PM	#10
Ohnoes Critical Thinker Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 274	Originally Posted by XxDeadlyNinjaxX if anyone could help me with this I'll be grateful because honestly it is freaking me out pretty bad You haven't really been clear on what is freaking you out. I mean if you are freaked out because he is a mason then you are freaking out for no reason. EDIT..Man I'm a slow typer lol. Yeah what Jim said! Also, all I ever see is really old people in their when I go to grab some BBQ, so I seriously doubt something sinister is going on behind close doors aside from putting too much mayo in the coleslaw.
Ohnoes Critical Thinker Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 274	Last edited by Ohnoes; 23rd February 2009 at 12:58 PM.

23rd February 2009, 12:56 PM	#11
XxDeadlyNinjaxX Thinker Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 178	Originally Posted by JimBenArm Why are you freaking out about this? It's a completely harmless fraternal organization. That's all. It's an excuse for some guys to get together and hang out. Nothing sinister at all. Seriously. Chill. It's all just fine. ohh, okay because honestly I keep hearing things about them that sound pretty out there and i didnt know what to do.
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23rd February 2009, 12:57 PM	#12
XxDeadlyNinjaxX Thinker Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 178	Well, the main thing that was freaking me out was hearing they are part of some NWO. I mean to hear that then hear about someone in my Family being a part of that type of group it all came at me at once and I probably am just overreacting
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23rd February 2009, 12:59 PM	#13
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 23,023	You need to learn how to evaluate evidence and think rationally, quick.

23rd February 2009, 01:01 PM	#14
Hokulele Official Nemesis Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Trying to decide whether to set defenses against an army, or against mole rats. Posts: 27,348	Originally Posted by XxDeadlyNinjaxX Well, the main thing that was freaking me out was hearing they are part of some NWO. I mean to hear that then hear about someone in my Family being a part of that type of group it all came at me at once and I probably am just overreacting Did you consider asking him directly?
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23rd February 2009, 01:02 PM	#15
fitzgibbon Master Poster Join Date: May 2007 Location: Just west of the centre of the universe Posts: 2,553	It's a non-denominational fraternity that accepts men of whatever religious stripe and uses the central aspects that the world's religions share to help men be of better utility to themselves, their families and society in general. To sum up, "Making good men better". If this be the way of the NWO, then lead on. HTH Fitz

23rd February 2009, 01:03 PM	#16
fitzgibbon Master Poster Join Date: May 2007 Location: Just west of the centre of the universe Posts: 2,553	Just as a follow-up, if you're getting the freak-out info off the likes of freemasonrywatch or abovetopsecret, you can take that information with more than a grain of salt. This from a Mason, BTW

23rd February 2009, 01:04 PM	#17
JimBenArm Based on a true story! Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 13,018	Originally Posted by fitzgibbon Just as a follow-up, if you're getting the freak-out info off the likes of freemasonrywatch or abovetopsecret, you can take that information with more than a grain of salt. This from a Mason, BTW Ah, so obviously we can't believe you!
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23rd February 2009, 01:05 PM	#18
XxDeadlyNinjaxX Thinker Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 178	I know dudalb, I used to be more like that but the thing is with Me. In October I heard about all this Conspiracy and NWO Garbage and it really messed Me up because I learned all of it at one time and i almost when into a bad state until i found this site and it helped me alot. So I guess what I am trying to say is that I am recovering from such a Shock.
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23rd February 2009, 01:15 PM	#19
Ohnoes Critical Thinker Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 274	Originally Posted by XxDeadlyNinjaxX I know dudalb, I used to be more like that but the thing is with Me. In October I heard about all this Conspiracy and NWO Garbage and it really messed Me up because I learned all of it at one time and i almost when into a bad state until i found this site and it helped me alot. So I guess what I am trying to say is that I am recovering from such a Shock. I know how that is man, and I was much like yourself and I just tried to block it out. However, I discovered it's much easier to dive head first and acquire the knowledge by rationally looking over all the evidence. The first thing that made it easy for me was when I watched my friend buy 50 bucks worth of DVDs from Jones. After that it was easy to read into these scams and disillusions from the scare mongers who want you to buy their books or go to their sites and rack up their points with advertisers. Just breath and relax and then I'm sure you'll realize you have bigger things to worry about other than masons and other NWO propaganda. Like getting attacked by birds or sloths!
Ohnoes Critical Thinker Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 274

23rd February 2009, 01:33 PM	#20
lionking In the Peanut Gallery Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 29,986	There are far better sources for information about the masons than this forum. Try a library. Unless you want others to do research for you.
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23rd February 2009, 02:03 PM	#21
fitzgibbon Master Poster Join Date: May 2007 Location: Just west of the centre of the universe Posts: 2,553	I've been told that Freemasonry for Dummies is actually pretty decent FWIW.

23rd February 2009, 02:23 PM	#22
Roma Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Winnipeg, Canada Posts: 2,095	My daughter's church youth pastor was really bent out of shape when he learned my whole family belongs to the Free Masons, so I invited him to an open meeting and Jobie girl's Christmas party afterward. Now this was a really reluctant fellow but he came and eventually calmed down and had a good time. Maybe you should find out when there is an open meeting and hang out with the Masons for awhile, they'll be glad to answer any question that you have.
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23rd February 2009, 03:55 PM	#23
Pantaz Muse Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Van Nuys, CA Posts: 906	You might want to look through this thread... Ask me about being a Freemason

23rd February 2009, 07:33 PM	#24
fromdownunder Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 3,118	I know that Aussie freemasons are partial to a beer at a barbie. But that's probably just for show. Norm

23rd February 2009, 07:46 PM	#25
JoeyDonuts Frequencies Not Known To Normals Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 10,636	Originally Posted by XxDeadlyNinjaxX So I guess what I am trying to say is that I am recovering from such a Shock. I guess I still don't get it. What about it shocked you so bad? What I'm asking is - what behavior on the part of your family member shocked you? Is he doing anything that frightens you? And here's the kicker - why don't you talk to HIM about it instead of letting people who make their living off of exploiting people's fear shape your worldview. Believe it or not, they have a vested interest in getting you afraid of your own family. Once you have the wedge driven between you and your relatives, you'll keep dropping money on their DVD's and "literature" trying to get closer to the truth. It's all a wash. Your relations are not part of any kind of New World Order. Talk to him about your concerns instead of letting people on the outside make up your mind for you.
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23rd February 2009, 08:27 PM	#26
Alareth Expert Expertologist Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 6,802	The Freemasons are about as dangerous as the Loyal Order of Water Buffalos
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23rd February 2009, 08:43 PM	#27
GodisEnergy Banned Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 387	Why do they need to be secret , i mean , your being charitable and worshiping god so why would you need to do it in secret lmao.. The top levels worship lucifer THATS WHY Its in Albert pikes book Morals and Dogma .
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23rd February 2009, 09:22 PM	#28
JoeyDonuts Frequencies Not Known To Normals Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 10,636	Originally Posted by GodisEnergy The top levels worship lucifer THATS WHY Its in Albert pikes book Morals and Dogma . Wow. I'm pretty sure you don't know that much about Albert Pike. I invite you to prove me wrong. I am not a Mason and have no vested interest in protecting the fraternity. Did you know that the man responsible for the claims against Freemasonry of Satanic worship ADMITTED it was all a hoax in 1897? He was also a former Mason himself, and was kicked out for bad behavior. Your theory can be shot to hell simply by reading the preface to the book Morals and Dogma. Did you bother to do that, or did you just start defaming willy-nilly?
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23rd February 2009, 11:21 PM	#29
fromdownunder Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 3,118	Originally Posted by GodisEnergy Why do they need to be secret , i mean , your being charitable and worshiping god so why would you need to do it in secret lmao.. The top levels worship lucifer THATS WHY Its in Albert pikes book Morals and Dogma . My brother was the Grand Poobah, or whatever they call it of one of the Mason groups in the Geelong area for two years. He is also a member of the Church of England, a lay preacher, and attends a public church every Sundayl. His wife is on the Vestry of that Church. They are simply normal people, with children and grandchildren, who happen to be Christians, and he happens to be a member of something that is little more than a social club which gets together for some social welfare work and a few drinks on a regular basis. I take it that you have never been in any club that required any form of local ritual or privacy, so you either ignorant of such things, or think that they are all part of some sort of super conspiracy. As far as praying in secret goes, and although this is a separate issue, this is what Jesus taught if the Bible has any veracity at all. Pray in private! Don't brag to the world how good you are, just do it quietly and privately. Norm
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23rd February 2009, 11:47 PM	#30
Sword_Of_Truth Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 11,497	Originally Posted by XxDeadlyNinjaxX Lol. Well i found out someone in my family is one and i was curious I am a little worried though I totally understand. I found out just the other day that my brother is a Blood Elf.

24th February 2009, 12:02 AM	#31
jj grumpy old skeptic Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Deep in the rain Posts: 18,719	Uh, if I may add to the "chill, dude" vote. I'm not a Mason, not eligible to be one, since they are deists of some stripe or other, although I knew some, know a few, and as far as I can tell they're on the average better joes than most. It's a fraternity. A club. It arose out of a trade guild. Some kinds of Masons are among the most charity-minded folks around, look up the "Shriners". The worst you can say about them is that they get together in big meetings in big halls with huge old pipe organs and sing along with the bouncing ball, or they used to, at least. They also sponsored big bands to come play in their ballroom. Some of them do wear funny caps, and some others of them drive little tiny cars in parades. So?
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24th February 2009, 12:21 AM	#32
GodisEnergy Banned Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 387	yea i dont mind praying in privacy, but for someone curious like me i would like them to teach me , instead they keep their secrets. As for Taxil hoax, he comes out shows some secrets gets scared after they threaten him so he says its a hoax . Or he is a mason intentionally revealling secrets so every time in the future when someone says thats a mason secret, they say no its a hoax. This is masonic double headed eagle yin yang occultism propaganda.There very smart. Or Predicitve programming I agree most masons of master poohbars are just ordinary folk , but every religion has its extremists. christianity islam . Then Why would Masonry and Jews be majically Exempt from this . And why is it such a crime to critize them.But critisize christians muslims etc, considered trendy
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24th February 2009, 01:04 AM	#33
fromdownunder Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 3,118	Originally Posted by GodisEnergy Then Why would Masonry and Jews be majically Exempt from this . And why is it such a crime to critize them.But critisize christians muslims etc, considered trendy That's easy. Give me some evidence that there is anything in Masonry worth critisising. Something more than a CT type statement, that is. Since Masons must have a belief in some sort of deity, individual Masons can be fundies, in which case they get critisised along with other fundies. Ditto with any other stupidity that any individual can come out with. I have no problem with criticisng stupid Muslim beliefs, stupid CT beliefs, some of the more stupid beliefs held by some Christians, or flat earthers, Bermuda Trianglists, Yowie believers or any other claims which are cited without any evidence at all. With Masons, show me the evidence that they are any less or more deserving of criticism than any other group, as a group. As individuals, they say something I believe is stupid, and I can support my point of view with evidence, I will say it. Norm
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24th February 2009, 01:19 AM	#34
jj grumpy old skeptic Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Deep in the rain Posts: 18,719	Originally Posted by GodisEnergy yea i dont mind praying in privacy, but for someone curious like me i would like them to teach me , instead they keep their secrets. As for Taxil hoax, he comes out shows some secrets gets scared after they threaten him so he says its a hoax . Or he is a mason intentionally revealling secrets so every time in the future when someone says thats a mason secret, they say no its a hoax. This is masonic double headed eagle yin yang occultism propaganda.There very smart. Or Predicitve programming I agree most masons of master poohbars are just ordinary folk , but every religion has its extremists. christianity islam . Then Why would Masonry and Jews be majically Exempt from this . And why is it such a crime to critize them.But critisize christians muslims etc, considered trendy Yeah, a whopping conspiracy of guys who drive little cars around in parades and raise a stunning lot of money for Children's hospitals.
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24th February 2009, 02:35 AM	#35
JoeyDonuts Frequencies Not Known To Normals Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 10,636	Originally Posted by GodisEnergy As for Taxil hoax, he comes out shows some secrets gets scared after they threaten him so he says its a hoax. So Freemasonry allowed him to travel all over Europe for years spreading the secrets - become a celebrity of sorts - and wait until 1897 to shut him up? You gotta be kidding me. Like every other CT, this one requires your evil organization to be simultaneously all-powerful and incompetent. I know critical thinking isn't nearly as fun or giddy as raging against machines, but you gotta grow up sometime. Quote: Or he is a mason intentionally revealling secrets so every time in the future when someone says thats a mason secret, they say no its a hoax. By that rationale all of their secrets are already out there, and we're all practically Masons now! If Taxil really put all the real secrets of Freemasonry out there in a protracted disinformation campaign, then you have no reason to be upset about their being secretive since you already know everything. Or you could accept that this one walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, confessed to being a duck, and that's where it ends. But once again, I guess that's not nearly as fun. Quote: This is masonic double headed eagle yin yang occultism propaganda.There very smart. [facepalm] Have you been huddling with Old Bob? Even your grammatical mistakes are similar. Quote: Or Predicitve programming Which just about every person with a reasoning above that of a third grader accepts as being pure bunk. And again - it's more fun to pretend that our lives are in the grasp of shadowy puppet masters than to take responsibility for our own faults. Quote: I agree most masons of master poohbars are just ordinary folk , but every religion has its extremists. christianity islam . Then Why would Masonry and Jews be majically Exempt from this . And why is it such a crime to critize them.But critisize christians muslims etc, considered trendy It's not a crime to criticize Masons and Jews. You're free to do it all you want. You're also going to get called on it because it displays ignorance. When did criticizing Christians and Muslims become trendy again? I think your brain-to-post cutout switch is malfunctioning.
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