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JetLeg · 13th March 2009, 04:55 PM

Hi,

What do you think about the following argument :

"

The desire for happiness is a desire for yourself.

To desire something for yourself is egoistic.

To desire happiness is egoistic

Thus, To desire happiness is wrong".

Marquis de Carabas · 13th March 2009, 04:56 PM

Fine.

What's with the word evil in the title, though?

JetLeg · 13th March 2009, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by Marquis de Carabas

Fine.

What's with the word evil in the title, though?

Shouldn't have written it there.

paximperium · 13th March 2009, 05:17 PM

Why is an egoistic goal wrong?

fuelair · 13th March 2009, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by JetLeg

Hi,

What do you think about the following argument :

"

The desire for happiness is a desire for yourself.

To desire something for yourself is egoistic.

To desire happiness is egoistic

Thus, To desire happiness is wrong".

Not a heck of a lot.
But it is just words, soft and vaguely fluffy. Of no consequence.

phantomb · 13th March 2009, 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by paximperium

Why is an egoistic goal wrong?

Indeed, and why is desiring something for yourself egoistic? Desires are not something we control. If you desire something for yourself but believe that it would not be right to act in your own self interest to get that thing, you are the opposite of an egoist as far as I understand.

Neverfly · 13th March 2009, 05:48 PM

"There is no such thing as Altruism."

Essentially, any motive, any desire or want or plan or action- It is ALL based on getting what someone wants.
Whether it's eternal life... a puppy...

Wanting happiness is not wrong. Call it selfish, maybe... But most normal and sane individuals have limits of reason.*
That is to say, I might be content to seek out happiness, but I am not content to harm others in order to get it.

*Disclaimer: It was not my intention to imply that I am either normal nor sane.

paximperium · 13th March 2009, 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by Neverfly

"There is no such thing as Altruism."

Essentially, any motive, any desire or want or plan or action- It is ALL based on getting what someone wants.
Whether it's eternal life... a puppy...

Wanting happiness is not wrong. Call it selfish, maybe... But most normal and sane individuals have limits of reason.*
That is to say, I might be content to seek out happiness, but I am not content to harm others in order to get it.

*Disclaimer: It was not my intention to imply that I am either normal nor sane.

I agree. Even the most altruistic person who is doing charity with no ultimate goal, is feeling pleasure and doing something he/she is enjoying.

It makes them happy, so is that selfish?

Neverfly · 13th March 2009, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by paximperium

I agree. Even the most altruistic person who is doing charity with no ultimate goal, is feeling pleasure and doing something he/she is enjoying.

It makes them happy, so is that selfish?

To some degree- Yes, it does.
But that doesn't make them bad.

Incidentally, another hypothetical situation.
A man is walking home when he spots another home blazing. He hears a child scream.

Before he has time to think, he discovers that he has rushed into the burning home to save the child.

I have experienced those situations. One in which you mind and body seem to act long before a conscious thought percolates to the front of the brainpan.

MrQhuest · 13th March 2009, 05:57 PM

I haven't eaten in 8 hours.
I am hungry.
I desire food.

Is wishing to eat egoistic? Is it wrong?

MrQ

Neverfly · 13th March 2009, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by MrQhuest

I haven't eaten in 8 hours.
I am hungry.
I desire food.

Is wishing to eat egoistic? Is it wrong?

MrQ

Yes. In addition to selfishly wanting to eat- you must kill and devour some poor defenseless baby seal.

MrQ, I, for one, am ashamed to be in your presence sir. Good Day!

fuelair · 13th March 2009, 06:12 PM

Hey, if that baby seal meat is tender can I have a piece or two???

paximperium · 13th March 2009, 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by fuelair

Hey, if that baby seal meat is tender can I have a piece or two???

I just clubbed one. Do you want a piece?

Neverfly · 13th March 2009, 06:20 PM

Hold on a second...
I thought I read when I joined that I'd be able to use an avatar once past fifty posts?

mikeyx · 13th March 2009, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by paximperium

Why is an egoistic goal wrong?

ego and ignorance are the source of evil, as is striped underwear

paximperium · 13th March 2009, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by Neverfly

Hold on a second...
I thought I read when I joined that I'd be able to use an avatar once past fifty posts?

Atheist are liars. Not very skeptical are you?

Not sure. Try the forum management.

Sun Countess · 13th March 2009, 06:28 PM

Quote:

The desire for happiness is a desire for yourself.

To desire something for yourself is egoistic.

To desire happiness is egoistic

Thus, To desire happiness is wrong

How did "wrong" get thrown into the argument at the last minute? Why is something egoistic necessarily wrong?

Also, was "evil" just put into the thread title because it's easier to spell?

Pass the baby seal and the salt.

eta: @ Neverfly - go to the User CP (Control Panel) at the top of the screen. You should be able to change your avatar from there. If I can do it, so can you!

phantomb · 13th March 2009, 06:29 PM

The desire to eat is a desire for yourself.

To desire something for yourself is egoistic.

To desire to eat is egoistic.

Thus, To desire to eat is wrong.

There we go, everybody stop eating and die.

Neverfly · 13th March 2009, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by paximperium

Atheist are liars. Not very skeptical are you?

Not sure. Try the forum management.

Where the heck is that?
On BAUT, my avatar option was on my CP...

Originally Posted by Sun Countess

How did "wrong" get thrown into the argument at the last minute? Why is something egoistic necessarily wrong?

Also, was "evil" just put into the thread title because it's easier to spell?

Pass the baby seal and the salt.

"Absolute Morality."

paximperium · 13th March 2009, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by Neverfly

Where the heck is that?
On BAUT, my avatar option was on my CP...

Open the Control Panel and the link should be on the upper left.

Neverfly · 13th March 2009, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by paximperium

Open the Control Panel and the link should be on the upper left.

It was suddenly there...
Maybe it's a lil more than fifty?

Heh...

Evil Cloud is Back.

OH! Ty and sorry for the hijack.

Third Eye Open · 13th March 2009, 06:59 PM

This is stupid. This whole idea that doing anything for yourself is 'bad' irritates me to no end. Why is it that 'sacrifice' is held to be so great?

If I give 100$ to a random stranger who for all I know needs it less than I do, I am sacrificing something I value (100$) for something of a lesser value to me (Someone I will never see again was maybe helped).

If I give 100$ to my friend who needs to repair his car, I am trading something of value (100$) for something that I value even more (My friend is out of trouble).

The second scenario is NOT sacrifice, I am trading up in value. But I bet most people would tell you that the person in the first scenario is 'a better person' or that that this act is more 'virtuous'.

If, in the second scenario, the thought that you may have made someones day by giving them 100$ is worth more to you than having that money for yourself, that is not a sacrifice, you are happier without the money than with it. But if you were to tell anyone that, I'm sure they wouldn't think the act was so 'virtuous' anymore.

If everyone lived their lives with the goal of making others happy at the expense of their own happiness, no one would be happy.

slingblade · 13th March 2009, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by JetLeg

Hi,

What do you think about the following argument :

"

The desire for happiness is a desire for yourself.

I also desire happiness for those around me.
I desire it for their own sakes, as well as for mine.
Is a shared desire always purely egoistic?

Quote:

To desire something for yourself is egoistic.

Really? What of desires for those things which sustain one's life?

Your second premise is far too broad. If it were to make reasonable sense, perhaps it should be limited in some way to "wants not necessary to sustain life?"

Quote:

To desire happiness is egoistic

Yes. Is that bad or good? How do you know?

Quote:

Thus, To desire happiness is wrong".

Begging the question. Where have you shown egoism is wrong, and how are you defining or limiting "wrongness?"

Is to desire unhappiness egoistic as well? It is also a desire for the self.
If yes, then is one to desire nothing at all?
If one desires nothing at all, how does one sustain his life?
If one desires nothing at all, can one contribute to any society or group?

temporalillusion · 13th March 2009, 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by Neverfly

It was suddenly there...
Maybe it's a lil more than fifty?

Heh...

Evil Cloud is Back.

OH! Ty and sorry for the hijack.

The forum software runs processes every so often to update all kinds of thins; the updates happen in a batch at predetermined times.

Promotions to a new user group (one with avatar permissions) are one of those things.. might only happen every half our or something.

Sorry for the hijack reply.

Gord_in_Toronto · 13th March 2009, 07:47 PM

Endomorphins.

fuelair · 13th March 2009, 09:31 PM

Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto

Endomorphins.

Endomuffins with banana, nuts and crispy apple bits.

fuelair · 13th March 2009, 09:33 PM

Originally Posted by paximperium

I just clubbed one. Do you want a piece?

Sure - got Worstershire?

Hokulele · 13th March 2009, 09:37 PM

Originally Posted by fuelair

Endomuffins with banana, nuts and crispy apple bits.

Blerk.

learner · 13th March 2009, 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by Sun Countess

How did "wrong" get thrown into the argument at the last minute? Why is something egoistic necessarily wrong?

Also, was "evil" just put into the thread title because it's easier to spell?

Pass the baby seal and the salt.

eta: @ Neverfly - go to the User CP (Control Panel) at the top of the screen. You should be able to change your avatar from there. If I can do it, so can you!

Salt on Seal!

just dont do it...Pepper maybe..Salt never

rocketdodger · 13th March 2009, 11:38 PM

Bruce Lee beat you to it with his seven sicknesses. Sickness #7 is the desire to be rid of the other six. Wrap your brain around that one.

Lord Emsworth · 14th March 2009, 03:34 AM

The type of egoism that is normally seen as bad is more of the type where you benefit at the expense of other people. And not where you just benefit.

Gord_in_Toronto · 14th March 2009, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by fuelair

Endomuffins with banana, nuts and crispy apple bits.

If that's what pumps up your level of endomorphins, go for it!

Pardalis · 14th March 2009, 10:04 AM

Originally Posted by JetLeg

Hi,

What do you think about the following argument :

"

The desire for happiness is a desire for yourself.

To desire something for yourself is egoistic.

To desire happiness is egoistic

Thus, To desire happiness is wrong".

It sucks.

slingblade · 14th March 2009, 11:17 AM

JetLeg? JetLeg??

Are you coming back to your thread?

JetLeg?

Gord_in_Toronto · 14th March 2009, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by slingblade

JetLeg? JetLeg??

Are you coming back to your thread?

JetLeg?

Sounds like you are suffering from Jet Lag. Try having a nap and then wake up at midnight and eat or drink lots of carbs. It won't make him reply, but you may feel better for it.

slingblade · 14th March 2009, 01:15 PM

I'm going crazy trying to figure out just what a JetLeg is, thanks, I don't need your help!

...maybe it's the new Baba Yaga house for the new era? No more chicken legs...modern witch houses have Jet Legs!

fuelair · 14th March 2009, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by slingblade

I'm going crazy trying to figure out just what a JetLeg is, thanks, I don't need your help!

...maybe it's the new Baba Yaga house for the new era? No more chicken legs...modern witch houses have Jet Legs!

Blackleg fancied up perhaps??

JetLeg · 14th March 2009, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by slingblade

JetLeg? JetLeg??

Are you coming back to your thread?

JetLeg?

I'm reading it, but I don't have much to reply.

Pardalis · 14th March 2009, 02:58 PM

Be easy on him, he's got the God Delusion to read as well.

slingblade · 14th March 2009, 04:22 PM

Hey, I never interfere with reading time! Read on, MacDuff!

13th March 2009, 04:55 PM	#1
JetLeg Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,414	Hapiness, egoism, evil Hi, What do you think about the following argument : " The desire for happiness is a desire for yourself. To desire something for yourself is egoistic. To desire happiness is egoistic Thus, To desire happiness is wrong".
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13th March 2009, 04:56 PM	#2
Marquis de Carabas Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: vuori Posts: 27,110	Fine. What's with the word evil in the title, though?
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13th March 2009, 05:03 PM	#3
JetLeg Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,414	Originally Posted by Marquis de Carabas Fine. What's with the word evil in the title, though? Shouldn't have written it there.
JetLeg Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,414

13th March 2009, 05:17 PM	#4
paximperium Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2008 Location: Silicon Valley-Stuck between Google and Apple Posts: 10,727	Why is an egoistic goal wrong?
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13th March 2009, 05:38 PM	#5
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 29,310	Originally Posted by JetLeg Hi, What do you think about the following argument : " The desire for happiness is a desire for yourself. To desire something for yourself is egoistic. To desire happiness is egoistic Thus, To desire happiness is wrong". Not a heck of a lot. But it is just words, soft and vaguely fluffy. Of no consequence.
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13th March 2009, 05:45 PM	#6
phantomb Muse Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 567	Originally Posted by paximperium Why is an egoistic goal wrong? Indeed, and why is desiring something for yourself egoistic? Desires are not something we control. If you desire something for yourself but believe that it would not be right to act in your own self interest to get that thing, you are the opposite of an egoist as far as I understand.

13th March 2009, 05:48 PM	#7
Neverfly Critical Thinker Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 383	"There is no such thing as Altruism." Essentially, any motive, any desire or want or plan or action- It is ALL based on getting what someone wants. Whether it's eternal life... a puppy... Wanting happiness is not wrong. Call it selfish, maybe... But most normal and sane individuals have limits of reason.* That is to say, I might be content to seek out happiness, but I am not content to harm others in order to get it. *Disclaimer: It was not my intention to imply that I am either normal nor sane.
Neverfly Critical Thinker Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 383

13th March 2009, 05:53 PM	#8
paximperium Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2008 Location: Silicon Valley-Stuck between Google and Apple Posts: 10,727	Originally Posted by Neverfly "There is no such thing as Altruism." Essentially, any motive, any desire or want or plan or action- It is ALL based on getting what someone wants. Whether it's eternal life... a puppy... Wanting happiness is not wrong. Call it selfish, maybe... But most normal and sane individuals have limits of reason.* That is to say, I might be content to seek out happiness, but I am not content to harm others in order to get it. *Disclaimer: It was not my intention to imply that I am either normal nor sane. I agree. Even the most altruistic person who is doing charity with no ultimate goal, is feeling pleasure and doing something he/she is enjoying. It makes them happy, so is that selfish?
	__________________ "The method of science is tried and true. It is not perfect, it's just the best we have. And to abandon it with its skeptical protocols is the pathway to a dark age." -Carl Sagan "They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance."-Terry Pratchett

13th March 2009, 05:56 PM	#9
Neverfly Critical Thinker Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 383	Originally Posted by paximperium I agree. Even the most altruistic person who is doing charity with no ultimate goal, is feeling pleasure and doing something he/she is enjoying. It makes them happy, so is that selfish? To some degree- Yes, it does. But that doesn't make them bad. Incidentally, another hypothetical situation. A man is walking home when he spots another home blazing. He hears a child scream. Before he has time to think, he discovers that he has rushed into the burning home to save the child. I have experienced those situations. One in which you mind and body seem to act long before a conscious thought percolates to the front of the brainpan.
Neverfly Critical Thinker Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 383

13th March 2009, 05:57 PM	#10
MrQhuest Thinker Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 148	I haven't eaten in 8 hours. I am hungry. I desire food. Is wishing to eat egoistic? Is it wrong? MrQ
MrQhuest Thinker Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 148

13th March 2009, 06:07 PM	#11
Neverfly Critical Thinker Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 383	Originally Posted by MrQhuest I haven't eaten in 8 hours. I am hungry. I desire food. Is wishing to eat egoistic? Is it wrong? MrQ Yes. In addition to selfishly wanting to eat- you must kill and devour some poor defenseless baby seal. MrQ, I, for one, am ashamed to be in your presence sir. Good Day!
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13th March 2009, 06:12 PM	#12
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 29,310	Hey, if that baby seal meat is tender can I have a piece or two???
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13th March 2009, 06:15 PM	#13
paximperium Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2008 Location: Silicon Valley-Stuck between Google and Apple Posts: 10,727	Originally Posted by fuelair Hey, if that baby seal meat is tender can I have a piece or two??? I just clubbed one. Do you want a piece?
	__________________ "The method of science is tried and true. It is not perfect, it's just the best we have. And to abandon it with its skeptical protocols is the pathway to a dark age." -Carl Sagan "They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance."-Terry Pratchett

13th March 2009, 06:20 PM	#14
Neverfly Critical Thinker Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 383	Hold on a second... I thought I read when I joined that I'd be able to use an avatar once past fifty posts?
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13th March 2009, 06:22 PM	#15
mikeyx Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,570	Originally Posted by paximperium Why is an egoistic goal wrong? ego and ignorance are the source of evil, as is striped underwear
mikeyx Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,570

13th March 2009, 06:25 PM	#16
paximperium Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2008 Location: Silicon Valley-Stuck between Google and Apple Posts: 10,727	Originally Posted by Neverfly Hold on a second... I thought I read when I joined that I'd be able to use an avatar once past fifty posts? Atheist are liars. Not very skeptical are you? Not sure. Try the forum management.
	__________________ "The method of science is tried and true. It is not perfect, it's just the best we have. And to abandon it with its skeptical protocols is the pathway to a dark age." -Carl Sagan "They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance."-Terry Pratchett

13th March 2009, 06:28 PM	#17
Sun Countess Appearance of intelligence Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Vancouver Posts: 3,176	Quote: The desire for happiness is a desire for yourself. To desire something for yourself is egoistic. To desire happiness is egoistic Thus, To desire happiness is wrong How did "wrong" get thrown into the argument at the last minute? Why is something egoistic necessarily wrong? Also, was "evil" just put into the thread title because it's easier to spell? Pass the baby seal and the salt. eta: @ Neverfly - go to the User CP (Control Panel) at the top of the screen. You should be able to change your avatar from there. If I can do it, so can you!
	Last edited by Sun Countess; 13th March 2009 at 06:29 PM.

13th March 2009, 06:29 PM	#18
phantomb Muse Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 567	The desire to eat is a desire for yourself. To desire something for yourself is egoistic. To desire to eat is egoistic. Thus, To desire to eat is wrong. There we go, everybody stop eating and die.

13th March 2009, 06:30 PM	#19
Neverfly Critical Thinker Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 383	Originally Posted by paximperium Atheist are liars. Not very skeptical are you? Not sure. Try the forum management. Where the heck is that? On BAUT, my avatar option was on my CP... Originally Posted by Sun Countess How did "wrong" get thrown into the argument at the last minute? Why is something egoistic necessarily wrong? Also, was "evil" just put into the thread title because it's easier to spell? Pass the baby seal and the salt. "Absolute Morality."
Neverfly Critical Thinker Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 383

13th March 2009, 06:32 PM	#20
paximperium Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2008 Location: Silicon Valley-Stuck between Google and Apple Posts: 10,727	Originally Posted by Neverfly Where the heck is that? On BAUT, my avatar option was on my CP... Open the Control Panel and the link should be on the upper left.
	__________________ "The method of science is tried and true. It is not perfect, it's just the best we have. And to abandon it with its skeptical protocols is the pathway to a dark age." -Carl Sagan "They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance."-Terry Pratchett

13th March 2009, 06:35 PM	#21
Neverfly Critical Thinker Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 383	Originally Posted by paximperium Open the Control Panel and the link should be on the upper left. It was suddenly there... Maybe it's a lil more than fifty? Heh... Evil Cloud is Back. OH! Ty and sorry for the hijack.
Neverfly Critical Thinker Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 383

13th March 2009, 06:59 PM	#22
Third Eye Open Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Washington state, USA Posts: 1,402	This is stupid. This whole idea that doing anything for yourself is 'bad' irritates me to no end. Why is it that 'sacrifice' is held to be so great? If I give 100$ to a random stranger who for all I know needs it less than I do, I am sacrificing something I value (100$) for something of a lesser value to me (Someone I will never see again was maybe helped). If I give 100$ to my friend who needs to repair his car, I am trading something of value (100$) for something that I value even more (My friend is out of trouble). The second scenario is NOT sacrifice, I am trading up in value. But I bet most people would tell you that the person in the first scenario is 'a better person' or that that this act is more 'virtuous'. If, in the second scenario, the thought that you may have made someones day by giving them 100$ is worth more to you than having that money for yourself, that is not a sacrifice, you are happier without the money than with it. But if you were to tell anyone that, I'm sure they wouldn't think the act was so 'virtuous' anymore. If everyone lived their lives with the goal of making others happy at the expense of their own happiness, no one would be happy.
	__________________ "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain."- Friedrich von Schiller "I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature." - Thomas Jefferson "Let all your troubles go, cling to the joy of living..." - Heavenly

13th March 2009, 07:36 PM	#23
slingblade Guest Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 23,642	Originally Posted by JetLeg Hi, What do you think about the following argument : " The desire for happiness is a desire for yourself. I also desire happiness for those around me. I desire it for their own sakes, as well as for mine. Is a shared desire always purely egoistic? Quote: To desire something for yourself is egoistic. Really? What of desires for those things which sustain one's life? Your second premise is far too broad. If it were to make reasonable sense, perhaps it should be limited in some way to "wants not necessary to sustain life?" Quote: To desire happiness is egoistic Yes. Is that bad or good? How do you know? Quote: Thus, To desire happiness is wrong". Begging the question. Where have you shown egoism is wrong, and how are you defining or limiting "wrongness?" Is to desire unhappiness egoistic as well? It is also a desire for the self. If yes, then is one to desire nothing at all? If one desires nothing at all, how does one sustain his life? If one desires nothing at all, can one contribute to any society or group?
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13th March 2009, 07:45 PM	#24
temporalillusion Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada's Texas Posts: 1,163	Originally Posted by Neverfly It was suddenly there... Maybe it's a lil more than fifty? Heh... Evil Cloud is Back. OH! Ty and sorry for the hijack. The forum software runs processes every so often to update all kinds of thins; the updates happen in a batch at predetermined times. Promotions to a new user group (one with avatar permissions) are one of those things.. might only happen every half our or something. Sorry for the hijack reply.
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13th March 2009, 07:47 PM	#25
Gord_in_Toronto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 13,424	Endomorphins.
	__________________ "Reality is what's left when you cease to believe." Philip K. Dick

13th March 2009, 09:31 PM	#26
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 29,310	Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto Endomorphins. Endomuffins with banana, nuts and crispy apple bits.
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13th March 2009, 09:33 PM	#27
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 29,310	Originally Posted by paximperium I just clubbed one. Do you want a piece? Sure - got Worstershire?
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13th March 2009, 09:37 PM	#28
Hokulele Official Nemesis Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Trying to decide whether to set defenses against an army, or against mole rats. Posts: 27,349	Originally Posted by fuelair Endomuffins with banana, nuts and crispy apple bits. Blerk.
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13th March 2009, 10:19 PM	#29
learner Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2008 Location: dorset england Posts: 1,594	Originally Posted by Sun Countess How did "wrong" get thrown into the argument at the last minute? Why is something egoistic necessarily wrong? Also, was "evil" just put into the thread title because it's easier to spell? Pass the baby seal and the salt. eta: @ Neverfly - go to the User CP (Control Panel) at the top of the screen. You should be able to change your avatar from there. If I can do it, so can you! Salt on Seal! just dont do it...Pepper maybe..Salt never
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13th March 2009, 11:38 PM	#30
rocketdodger Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Hyperion Posts: 6,671	Bruce Lee beat you to it with his seven sicknesses. Sickness #7 is the desire to be rid of the other six. Wrap your brain around that one.

14th March 2009, 03:34 AM	#31
Lord Emsworth Je ne suis pas une de vos élèves Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Through the Cables and the Underground ... Posts: 2,831	The type of egoism that is normally seen as bad is more of the type where you benefit at the expense of other people. And not where you just benefit.

14th March 2009, 10:00 AM	#32
Gord_in_Toronto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 13,424	Originally Posted by fuelair Endomuffins with banana, nuts and crispy apple bits. If that's what pumps up your level of endomorphins, go for it!
	__________________ "Reality is what's left when you cease to believe." Philip K. Dick

14th March 2009, 10:04 AM	#33
Pardalis Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Montréal Posts: 25,831	Originally Posted by JetLeg Hi, What do you think about the following argument : " The desire for happiness is a desire for yourself. To desire something for yourself is egoistic. To desire happiness is egoistic Thus, To desire happiness is wrong". It sucks.

14th March 2009, 11:17 AM	#34
slingblade Guest Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 23,642	JetLeg? JetLeg?? Are you coming back to your thread? JetLeg?
slingblade Guest Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 23,642

14th March 2009, 12:05 PM	#35
Gord_in_Toronto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 13,424	Originally Posted by slingblade JetLeg? JetLeg?? Are you coming back to your thread? JetLeg? Sounds like you are suffering from Jet Lag. Try having a nap and then wake up at midnight and eat or drink lots of carbs. It won't make him reply, but you may feel better for it.
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