Simple question for Bigfoot enthusiasts: Why no unambiguous photos/videos?

[xblade]

Originally Posted by parnassus

3 bigfeet seen in top of photo at Moose River NY; they were apparently waiting to prey on drowned rafters.
http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/y...lbsonm/bf3.jpg
Should I send this to BARFO?

I think there's a fourth adolescent bigfoot hiding behind the rock there that's getting ready to pounce on the guy on shore. You should definitely send it.

[runnah]

Growing up in Vermont people always had the catamount (mt lion) argument. Many a hunter claimed to hear-see-smell one every now and then.

Fish and game departments don't want non-native or past native animals returning to their state. It creates a whole mess of extra work and extra expenses. Make that a dangerous animal and people tend to get worried and the public tends to panic. Most times a single animal will not go on record as a population unless there are many documented cases.
A bit of an aside but still some what on track.

[William Parcher]

If Bigfoot actually existed we would already have photos like this...

[WGBH]

What does Bigfoot have to do with some guy cutting off Greg Allman's head?

[LTC8K6]

Originally Posted by WGBH

What does Bigfoot have to do with some guy cutting off Greg Allman's head?

Example...for training purposes.

[William Parcher]

Well, this video evidence is clear. Bigfoot giving birth. For those who haven't already seen this happen.

[Skeptical Greg]

That could have been edited down to about 20 seconds, and lost no context, such as it was...

(No I didn't waste four minutes of my life, I waited for it to buffer, then skipped through it.. )

[kitakaze]

Now that's unambiguous. A little Zana, a little Ivan Marx. And what a finish!

From the comments...

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this is just astoundingly beautiful. congrats on capturing such a rare event!!!

jackcatfish 4 days ago

And now to Javex the eyes.

[kitakaze]

http://bigfootforums.com/index.php?/...rth-in-a-tree/

[William Parcher]

"As many as 300,000 trail cameras are being sold annually in the United States and are commonly used by hunters and nature enthusiasts. Their use in scientific projects has increased dramatically."

Source - Page 28.

Would that be millions of trail cameras and still no Bigfoot?

[parnassus]

The believers never got over the idea of the boogie man. They should put trailcams under their beds.

[The Shrike]

Originally Posted by William Parcher

Well, this video evidence is clear. Bigfoot giving birth. For those who haven't already seen this happen.

Among the more subtle things that are odd about this production, the audio doesn't match the video, at least not all of it. We can hear clearly when the creature scrapes it foot against the tree trunk, but the background wildlife noises might be piped in.

The conspicuous bird singing close by is a White-eyed Vireo. There's a Northern Cardinal in the background and perhaps a Carolina Wren too. If it was just the cardinal and the wren singing on what looks to be a foggy morning in early spring (some plants just greening up but no leaves on the trees) it wouldn't be that strange. The vireo, however, is out of place. If the scene was filmed someplace where vireos winter (Gulf Coast and Florida), I might not expect it to be singing so vigorously. The really weird thing, however, is the sound of apparent cicadas - what would they be doing making noise in the off season?

Just in case folks had run out of things that were weird about this . . .

[William Parcher]

The Guinea Fowl Bigfoot is back on the BFF.

We reviewed it here.

Painthorse has the original trailcam photo series showing the bird here.

Originally Posted by Painthorse on BFF

The original pics were posted on the original bff and obviously they got sliced and diced because my guinea hen was in the following pics.

[William Parcher]

It's absolutely insane that Painthorse and others on BFF think that this is any creature other than one of her pet guineafowl. Watch the time stamps...

First presented photo in series showing "juvenile Bigfoot".

5 seconds later.

5 seconds later.

4 seconds later.

5 seconds later.

The guineafowl is walking away. If they think this is a Bigfoot or any creature other than a guineafowl then they need to know that the 4 other photos show this creature moving away. Not a fawn or any bird besides the guineafowl.

[RayG]

Is there an animated gif of those shots somewhere?

RayG

[William Parcher]

Not that I know of. Somebody could make one now.

There ought to be at least one pic before the "first one (baby Bigfoot)" when the guineafowl initially walked into the camera's field of view. If PH is intentionally withholding any earlier pics then we really have a hoax. Even now it looks more hoaxey than mistakey.

[William Parcher]

Post #591 in this thread...

Originally Posted by Vortigern99

There's now a nice GIF animation of the 5-second-interval frames, clearly showing the guinea fowl walking away from its position in the first pic.

And the thread author is still insisting, "No, it doesn't fit. I know the difference between a bird and a primate," etc. ad nauseam.

So, there was a gif on the old BFF.

[Deacondark]

It is also incredibly tiny, considering the size of the power meter, and it's distance past the subject.

[William Parcher]

Originally Posted by Deacondark

It is also incredibly tiny

Guineafowl are as big as guineafowl.

[Deacondark]

If you look on the Flikr page, they actually admit that the other photo's are all of Guineafowl, but still try to claim the one as a primate! Amazing! No pics of it getting there, no pics of it walking away. Photographic proof of Guineafowl walking around in the frame, within mere seconds of the picture, yet their brain cannot accept the fact that it's not a baby bigfoot! the human minds ability to fool itself is unbelievable.

[parnassus]

Originally Posted by Deacondark

If you look on the Flikr page, they actually admit that the other photo's are all of Guineafowl, but still try to claim the one as a primate! Amazing! ..... the human minds ability to fool itself is unbelievable.

I used to think it was unbelievable.

[William Parcher]

How did the baby Bigfoot walk into the scene, sit down, and begin to examine the stick without triggering the camera prior to this moment? Why would the camera fire at this moment of apparent non-movement?

Then the baby Bigfoot suddenly bolts out of this quiet sitting time within seconds and is replaced with a guineafowl?

[GT/CS]

Of course, that's exactly what happened.
Bigfoots teach their young ones (what's a young bigfoot called?) those tricks at an early age!

[Volsquatch]

The OP of those pics is actually an old friend and a very nice person. If she thinks there's something to the image for whatever reason, then she's fully within her rights to have that opinion. I happen to disagree with her - all I see is an inconclusive blob which if anything is a guinea(given the context and comparative pics of other guineas), but that's just me, and I'm sure if she and I were discussing it, she would be just fine with it.

It's not so much the people like Painthorse who are simply offering up the pics for examination, it's actually those rabidly-defensive satellites who grab-on and defend anything they feel could even slightly be attributed to "Bigfoot"(e.g. the guinea pics) who are turning this subject into more of a circus than ever before(if that's even possible). I've seen a lot of this sort of BS over the years, but never this bad. It's a sad, sad day when people are spitting all over the place in a desperate attempt to turn a pic of a guinea's ass into a "Juvenile Bigfoot", even when it's wholly apparent(to me, at least) that it's more than likely the pic of a guinea's ass. I've noticed the "Die-Hard Believers" engaging in this sort of systematic behavior for a good while now. For the "Heavy Hitters", this is probably a welcome reaction by those who are so eager to impress them.

How ironic it is that the question was just raised of how would be the best way to discredit Bigfoot research when it's clear the so-called "Die-Hard Believers" are doing a bang-up job at it themselves.

I think all this arm-flailing and straw-grabbing could be stemming from what just about everybody knows is coming(Believers and Skeptics alike): The impending final implosion of the whole "Bigfoot" thing for anyone who might've initially been inclined to take a serious look at it. The writing is basically on the wall - the years just keep piling up without any kind of solid, verifiable evidence, and for the "Average Joe" this is causing a one-time decently-acceptable "Gray Area" of "Bigfoot Research" to shrink down to a tiny, almost nonexistent miniscule speck.

If the status quo continues, then soon there will be only two camps involved: 1) Those with a vested interest in seeing this subject grow, spurring-on those gullible wishful-thinkers who want so badly to believe that any twig snap or unusual noise in the forest "has to be Bigfoot!", or every fuzzy blob captured on film "has to be Bigfoot!", while expecting those beliefs to be rabidly defended at all potential cost to pride and reputation(not caring how silly those attempts might appear to anyone else), or; 2) Those who have finally realized that it's a huge waste of their time to be fully involved publicly, possibly going online at certain times to watch the "Trainwreck of Bigfootery" and point out all the rampant BS which completely permeates what was once a very interesting subject for them.

[William Parcher]

Originally Posted by Volsquatch

It's not so much the people like Painthorse who are simply offering up the pics for examination, it's actually those rabidly-defensive satellites who grab-on and defend anything they feel could even slightly be attributed to "Bigfoot"(e.g. the guinea pics) who are turning this subject into more of a circus than ever before(if that's even possible). I've seen a lot of this sort of BS over the years, but never this bad...

I disagree. It's her that is the attractor that the rabid satellites are orbiting around. She was the first to let the BFF know that she had a baby Bigfoot caught on trailcam. Painthorse is the ringleader of this particular circus that you describe.

It would likely be different if she had initially acted differently. She could have posted the pic series with a simple curious observation. Look at the odd subject shape in my pic #1... then followed 5 seconds later by my less odd looking guineafowl. Don't even mention that it appears to be a baby Bigfoot. Just offer it as a curiousity. In that situation, I could imagine few if any saying that it is a Bigfoot. Of course, it's just your pet bird looking ambiguous moments before it looks less ambiguous.

The moment Painthorse said it was a baby Bigfoot everybody else had the chance to agree.

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The OP of those pics is actually an old friend and a very nice person. If she thinks there's something to the image for whatever reason, then she's fully within her rights to have that opinion.

Nice friends can also be completely lacking intelligence, rationality and reasoning for certain things. They can cause an attraction of others suffering from the same thing. But it comes out as, "We're smart observers just like you are, Painthorse."

[parnassus]

When the central dogma of a faith-based cult is threatened, the classic response by many members is more irrational commitment and proselytizing.

[Volsquatch]

Originally Posted by William Parcher

I disagree. It's her that is the attractor that the rabid satellites are orbiting around.

After visiting the thread today, I'm forced to agree. Her interaction with the member "Sasfooty" is very surprising. In the past, the sensational and utterly ridiculous spin which is being placed upon this pic would have been frowned upon and dismissed in an effort to keep some semblance of credibility attached to the subject, but now it seems to be basically accepted and worthy of consideration. I'm surprised by the lack of any self-policing by the current participants. Apparently I have been out of the loop for much too long and would be considered a "Dinosaur" by the currently accepted standards of "Bigfoot Research".

[William Parcher]

Sasfooty believes that Bigfoot is paranormal. She claims to have a family of them living in her yard. So it's easy for her to defiantly declare that Painthorse had a Bigfoot in her yard too. Anything that might seem unexplainable about that Bigfoot is easily explained as some paranormal aspect.

[William Parcher]

In keeping with the BFF theme of "if you can see a feature, it's there", I offer this. Her guineafowl has a huge letter "B" on its side. This may not be the bird after all and is instead another pic of the Baby Bigfoot.

[AlaskaBushPilot]

Originally Posted by parnassus

When the central dogma of a faith-based cult is threatened, the classic response by many members is more irrational commitment and proselytizing.

That's an interesting lense to view this from.

I have to agree with a point of Volsquatch although not a new one - that since 1967 we have had both radical advances in technology like trail cams the average joe can afford/operate, at the same time vastly more people are looking for bigfoot. What was once the province of a few odd ducks became a cottage industry, hobby, and social scene. With people armed with trail cams, night vision, heat sensors, lasers, etc.

The logical result of that has to be one of two things: admission of truth or increasingly irrational adherence to the myth.


Where are the yellow lines and estimates of size from certain quarters? In this case we know exactly where the trail cam was and the exact size of that power pole and meter in the background. It's a fricking meter for Christ's sake. Behind the bird. That makes the bird appear, golly, almost the same size as an electric meter. I'm going to need a lot of potatos and beans to eat along with that bird, and a big slice of pie to make any kind of meal out of it.

[William Parcher]

Originally Posted by AlaskaBushPilot

Where are the yellow lines and estimates of size from certain quarters?

It's in the BFF thread. Painthorse took measurements on site and estimated the sitting height of the baby Bigfoot at 18".

[William Parcher]

Originally Posted by Volsquatch

The writing is basically on the wall - the years just keep piling up without any kind of solid, verifiable evidence, and for the "Average Joe" this is causing a one-time decently-acceptable "Gray Area" of "Bigfoot Research" to shrink down to a tiny, almost nonexistent miniscule speck.

You are talking about the Gray Area for Bigfoot enthusiasts. But the general population and scientists were never really burdened with the silly notion that Bigfoot is out there.

Belief in Bigfoot would have been minority back in 1958 after Jerry Crew presented his casts and also again in 1967 after Roger Patterson presented his film. The reason that most folks and scientists never did believe is because they (properly) estimated that we would have already had a body if Bigfoot exists. They understood the centuries of time passed and the many millions of people and the guns and the vehicles and the lack of a specimen or part of a specimen and they put it all into perspective. It's just an application of rationality and reason applied to time and space. There is no need for 2011 odometer to roll over to let people know that Bigfoot isn't out there. How many years had already piled up in 1958?

There were widespread logging campaigns, great numbers of people with guns who hunted for their meat (who nearly exterminated white-tailed deer from the East), massive armies of the Civil War, etc. and through everything not a single specimen was ever produced. So, Bigfooters are just now going to shake their heads and walk away? Hello. Wake up and smell the coffee that the rest of the world has been brewing all this time.

The Bigfoot denialist isn't someone with a closed mind and who won't look at the proposed evidence. They are somebody with a brilliant idea.

[Akhenaten]

Is this any use?

[William Parcher]

It moves like a wombat.

[Akhenaten]

I wonder if it eats roots and leaves.

[Drewbot]

Good job Akhenaten, I used your gif over at BFF to try and convince them that it is not a baby Bigfoot. Hard to believe I have to do that.
http://bigfootforums.com/index.php?/...post__p__87295

[William Parcher]

Now it just looks like the baby Bigfoot in 4x4 mode moving out.

[Akhenaten]

Originally Posted by Drewbot

Good job Akhenaten, I used your gif over at BFF to try and convince them that it is not a baby Bigfoot. Hard to believe I have to do that.

Cheers, mate. Happy to help.


None so blind as they who will not see, eh?

[Drewbot]

Painthorse thinks the GIF depicts the Guinea Hen chasing off the baby Bigfoot.

It is no use.

[Deacondark]

Originally Posted by Drewbot

Painthorse thinks the GIF depicts the Guinea Hen chasing off the baby Bigfoot.

It is no use.

And yet at no time can you see them both in the frame.