Simple question for Bigfoot enthusiasts: Why no unambiguous photos/videos? - Page 2

kitakaze · 16th March 2009, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by Vortigern99

I'll repeat my earlier observation that not all reported sightings need to be true in order for some to be possibly true, or to inspire investigation into the origins of the phenomenon.

That of course brings us to the problem of deciding what's good and what's bad. This is not a process that Bigfoot enthusiasts seem to be able to agree upon.

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I have serious doubts about the Lake Worth creature and indeed, all other sightings in Texas. The gray-haired anthropologist lady with glasses (whose name I've forgotten) who did the "Ask Science" presentation threw out the "200" number when I've routinely heard 2000 from other sources.

Most Bigfooters with a lick of sense know they need to be talking about numbers in the thousands. Two thousand still, I think, would not be enough to account for the reports. Krantz was of the mind that they were doing quite fine and that there were at least several thousand. I think Eugenie Scott was referencing some footer arguing 200. I can't stress enough how excellent I thought her lecture was. I think any problems like mentioning west rather than east Texas were superficial.

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The last known Giganto. fossil dates from about 300,000 ya. Natural selection would of course have continued during that time, perhaps producing a "Patty"-like animal with morphology adapted to bipedal locomotion and a smaller jaw than that formerly necessary for a foliovorous diet. I'm not suggesting that "Patty" is definitely one such animal (you know my reservations about "her"), simply that such an animal as I've described might conjecturally exist.

Remember, such an evolution to an omnivorous diet would bring Giganto in direct competition with human ancestors. And that would bring us to the fall down odds of Patty as Giganto descendant evolving the exact same limb proportions as the only guy to ever claim to be her. But we know what we think about that.

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That's a damn good question. The question in my mind isn't the "9000 calorie" question -- bears and wolves used to live in this exact same location, somehow finding enough nutrition to sustain their populations -- but rather how a conjectured large primate would go about (mostly) avoiding detection after decades of human activity in their conjectured habitat. It's a damn good question.

Thank you. I haven't seen an answer from Texas' TBRC but Oklahoma's MABRC has cracked out enough to suggest that Bigfoot is intrinsically intelligent enough to understand the concept of game cams and the inherent threat they pose to their eluding humans. They suggest the sasquatches will throw an object in front of the game cam and after it takes a shot, scuttle by unsnapped while the camera recovers.

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They might be related to orangs, but that does not perforce mean that all of their behaviors are going to be exactly like orangs. Humans and chimps have very different sets of behaviors, despite our close kinship. I propose the danger call as one possible means of human avoidance; perhaps it's used among the single-female-with-young groups, of whom there are fewer reported sightings, while the solitary males have no such warning system, leading to their more frequent reported sightings. This is all conjecture on my part, a kind of educated guessing game.

The other alternative being that the average person making up Bigfoot fantasies, while being imaginative, is not imaginative enough to break the beast man mold and throw in some kids or females.

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"Abuse the Farce, Fluke!" If there are Jedi bigfoot, I wonder if there are Sith bigfoot as well? This could be the next area ripe for study! Darth Sasquatch: Misunderstood Misanthrope, or Tragic Hero of the Bigfoot Wars? YOU be the judge.

If Jedi Bigfoots are like wookie Bigfoots, there may be very few. Burgstahlian Bigfoots do employ Sith-like abilities, including stealth and affect mind techniques.

Whoever completely understood that can join me in the Hall of the Sad.

kitakaze · 16th March 2009, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by Ashles

I think I'm starting to see the obsession/addiction to Bigfoot threads.

It's like being a moth and encountering a fearsomely bright light of stupidity.
You know it will burn, but how can you stay away?

Slowly we are turning you. Soon your transformation will be complete.

...muWAHAHAHA!!!

fell teh bern, mang... kthxbai

Ashles · 16th March 2009, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by kitakaze

Slowly we are turning you. Soon your transformation will be complete.

Do you know if there anywhere I can find out more about something called 'the Patterson Gimlin film'?

kitakaze · 16th March 2009, 12:52 PM

ROTFLMAO!

That was good.

JcR · 16th March 2009, 01:03 PM

Can I add that Bigfoot ~~is nothing more than conjecture.~~ may be nothing more than conjecture.
Or will hairy tree stumps suffice. (My Evidence)
I guess I could assign certain living habits of Gorillas, Chimps, and Orangutans to my Tree stump. And once you find my Hairy Tree stump, it will be an easy study (no more conjecture) it doesn't move much.

Dark Stump.

Bill Munns · 16th March 2009, 01:15 PM

"Quote (by somebody else):
These are just opinions and guesses, mind you, not substantiated fact. This is the kind of question that merits entire books being written, as opposed to slim, late-night discussion-board messages based on sheer conjecture."

(Quote from Kit): "Yes, Bill Munns said something similar to that, I believe... "

I did??? Care to jog my memory?

GT/CS · 16th March 2009, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by JcR

Can I add that Bigfoot ~~is nothing more than conjecture.~~ may be nothing more than conjecture.
Or will hairy tree stumps suffice. (My Evidence)
I guess I could assign certain living habits of Gorillas, Chimps, and Orangutans to my Tree stump. And once you find my Hairy Tree stump, it will be an easy study (no more conjecture) it doesn't move much.
http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting...eb905e30d2.jpg
Dark Stump.

Track down someone named Creekfreak. He can do wonders with that stump!

Correa Neto · 16th March 2009, 02:43 PM

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xblade · 16th March 2009, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by manofthesea

Did you know the average American never figured how to set their VCR clocks? Do you know the average intelligence of bigfoot hunters and their corresponding capabilities of properly operating a camcorder? The few who have are worthy of Monsterquest and other shows.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cL9Wu2kWwSY

So, basically, you're arguing that bigfoot believers aren't very smart, lol. Not much of a defense on the issue if you ask me.

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That's a damn good question. The question in my mind isn't the "9000 calorie" question -- bears and wolves used to live in this exact same location, somehow finding enough nutrition to sustain their populations -- but rather how a conjectured large primate would go about (mostly) avoiding detection after decades of human activity in their conjectured habitat. It's a damn good question.

It wouldn't....that's the point.

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My guess would be that if bigfoot (plural) exist, then they must have learned to be cautious of human beings, perhaps helping one another avoid humans by means of an "enemy!" call or a similar enculturated response, known among some primate species.

I guess Patty skipped class the day that lesson was taught. Instead of avoiding humans, she did everything she could to be seen, and videotaped no less, by two humans.

Do they also call out to warn one another of all the camera traps spread out all across this country...the same camera traps that catch clear photos of other elusive creatures that DO exist?

If we can get a pic of a raccoon riding a wild boar, I think we should have a decent pic of a bigfoot by now.

Spektator · 16th March 2009, 06:54 PM

Originally Posted by xblade

(snip)

If we can get a pic of a raccoon riding a wild boar, I think we should have a decent pic of a bigfoot by now.

http://mainehuntingtoday.com/bbb/wp-...e-cam-coon.jpg

Hakuna matata!

LTC8K6 · 16th March 2009, 07:49 PM

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Do you know if there anywhere I can find out more about something called 'the Patterson Gimlin film'?

No, the information is not obtainable. There is no information about this film, save mention of the name and the creators.

kitakaze · 16th March 2009, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by xblade

If we can get a pic of a raccoon riding a wild boar, I think we should have a decent pic of a bigfoot by now.

http://mainehuntingtoday.com/bbb/wp-...e-cam-coon.jpg

I will never, ever get tired of seeing that. Best game cam shot ever.

JcR, what can we have you do with this?

EHocking · 17th March 2009, 07:15 AM

Originally Posted by xblade

So, basically, you're arguing that bigfoot believers aren't very smart, lol. Not much of a defense on the issue if you ask me.

And not true. Have another look at the video at Post18 by Kitakaze.

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And a separate myakka ape video. Typical guys in the trees vid:

YouTube Video This video is not hosted by the JREF. The JREF can not be held responsible for the suitability or legality of this material. By clicking the link below you agree to view content from an external website.

I AGREE

Notice that the figure being tracked is always in focus? There is no hunting by the camcorders autofocus as they zoom in and out or track across contrasting foreground and background - unlike most blobsquatch and ufo video.

Also no flaring when the camera pans from relatively dark forest to zoomed in on a (by contrast) bright "clearing" where the subject is.

I have a particularly good digital camcorder, and to have achieved this sort of exposure and focus control I would have had to preset the focus and aperture/exposure manually in order for this video not to be a flaring, blurry mess.

So to claim that bf proponents can't capture a non-blurry image due to incompetence with imaging equipment is patently false.

Of course the subject of the video is completely obscured, so a non-blurry video of an alleged bf is still useless as evidence.

How convenient.

Hitch · 17th March 2009, 07:58 AM

Originally Posted by xblade

If we can get a pic of a raccoon riding a wild boar, I think we should have a decent pic of a bigfoot by now.

http://mainehuntingtoday.com/bbb/wp-...e-cam-coon.jpg

Well done. A near perfect Chewbacca defense. I am impressed.

William Parcher · 17th March 2009, 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by kitakaze

JcR, what can we have you do with this?

A little Photoshop action can have a Bigfoot hoisting that coon on a hog.

Drewbot · 17th March 2009, 08:19 AM

Personally I think all the videos I've seen are unambiguous (obviously fake). So I don't know what you are referring to.

Originally Posted by William Parcher

A little Photoshop action can have a Bigfoot hoisting that coon on a hog.

Imagine the implications of Bigfoot Tossing a 200 lb hog, with a Raccoon hanging on for dear life.

Hitch · 17th March 2009, 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by Drewbot

Imagine the implications of Bigfoot Tossing a 200 lb hog, with a Raccoon hanging on for dear life.

All because the raccoon laughed at him for trying to open a can of baked beans with a screwdriver.

Skeptical Greg · 17th March 2009, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by Hitch

All because the raccoon laughed at him for trying to open a can of baked beans with a screwdriver.

When pancakes could be had, just for the taking..

kitakaze · 17th March 2009, 11:57 AM

Here is the Bigfoot needed for the throw...

Here is the pig and rider...

And can Money fit in the mix?

At the very least we could have a JREF Bigfoot skeptic mascot. There could possibly be a coat of arms, even.

Ashles · 17th March 2009, 12:31 PM

That cheeky little critter gets around.

GT/CS · 17th March 2009, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by kitakaze

Here is the Bigfoot needed for the throw...

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting...aba79d0cf4.jpg

Here is the pig and rider...

http://mainehuntingtoday.com/bbb/wp-...e-cam-coon.jpg

And can Money fit in the mix?

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting...4c128c4113.jpg

At the very least we could have a JREF Bigfoot skeptic mascot. There could possibly be a coat of arms, even.

So MMM annoys a bigfoot with his calls and gets a 'coon-pig thrown at his head? I like it!

xblade · 17th March 2009, 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by Ashles

That cheeky little critter gets around.

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting...ffa9d96b24.jpg

lol. This has to be real too. You can even see the muscles flexing due to the weight of the raccoon. At any rate, we must view this photo neutrally. It could be a natural animal carrying another natural animal.

xblade · 17th March 2009, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by Hitch

Well done. A near perfect Chewbacca defense. I am impressed.

Vortigern99 · 17th March 2009, 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by xblade

lol. This has to be real too. You can even see the muscles flexing due to the weight of the raccoon. At any rate, we must view this photo neutrally. It could be a natural animal carrying another natural animal.

Nice impression. Do you do Walken too?

JohnG · 18th March 2009, 12:05 AM

Originally Posted by Vortigern99

Canada contains over one billion acres of unspoiled woodlands

Seriously? I'm not even being snarky. That's amazing, if true.

Originally Posted by xblade

If we can get a pic of a raccoon riding a wild boar, I think we should have a decent pic of a bigfoot by now.

Coon and Boar: They fight crime.

EHocking · 18th March 2009, 05:58 AM

Originally Posted by JohnG

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Originally Posted by Vortigern99

Canada contains over one billion acres of unspoiled woodlands

Seriously? I'm not even being snarky. That's amazing, if true.

Weellll, close enough for government work, I guess.

From Natural Resources Canada

Canada has 402.1 million hectares of forest and other wooded land...

(thats 996 million acres)

About 8% of Canada's forest area is protected by legislation. About 40% of the total forest landbase is subject to varying degrees of protection such as integrated land-use planning or defined management areas such as certified forests.
Annually, less than 1% of Canada's forests are harvested.

I guess, from that you could say that 99% are "unspoiled", but this quick fact:

By June 2008, almost 138 million hectares of Canada's forests were certified as being sustainably managed by one or more of three globally recognized certification standards.

.. gives the impression that over 1/3 of Canada's forests are managed - not what I would call unspoiled, but that may be merely semantics.

But I guess the point that was being made was that there is a billion acres of forest that bf can hide in, whereas, from the above facts, 1/3 of that area is managed by various forestry interests - which involves people travelling and working in the area.

Still, a nice little get out for bf searchers and researchers - "Theres over 650 million acres that bf can hide in!"

JcR · 18th March 2009, 03:47 PM

David Hobbs would make a great commentator for this.

kitakaze · 18th March 2009, 04:17 PM

OMFG... I just laughed so, so, so very hard for, like, 10 minutes. I can't wipe the smile off my face. I dare not look at that again while trying to type. There must be some more recognition I can give this than a post of praise. Can I nominate an image? We should have a poll for JcR's best or maybe a JcR appreciation thread in Humour or Community. It's gold, Jerry! GOLD!!!

kitakaze · 18th March 2009, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by Bill Munns

"Quote (by somebody else):
These are just opinions and guesses, mind you, not substantiated fact. This is the kind of question that merits entire books being written, as opposed to slim, late-night discussion-board messages based on sheer conjecture."

(Quote from Kit): "Yes, Bill Munns said something similar to that, I believe... "

I did??? Care to jog my memory?

Sorry, Bill. Just saw you there and remembered I hadn't answered that. Just acknowledging the importance of similar discussions. Here's that post:

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php...&postcount=975

xblade · 18th March 2009, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by Vortigern99

Nice impression. Do you do Walken too?

No, just footer. Sorry.

Vortigern99 · 18th March 2009, 07:37 PM

Ah, good. Well, I'm not a footer, so the imitation doesn't flatter me. But thanks for tryin'!

patchbunny · 19th March 2009, 12:37 PM

Wolverine filmed near Truckee, California. Until first photographed last year, it's the first confirmation wolverines are in the state since 1922.

Most recent video can be found here.

Love the clarity of the footage.

Drewbot · 19th March 2009, 12:47 PM

PatchBunny- Link Broke Kthanxbai

LTC8K6 · 19th March 2009, 12:55 PM

http://www.kcra.com/news/18966905/detail.html#

Bill Munns · 19th March 2009, 02:16 PM

Kit:

Thank you for the link reference.

JcR:

Loved it!

Bill

xblade · 19th March 2009, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by Vortigern99

Ah, good. Well, I'm not a footer, so the imitation doesn't flatter me.

It wasn't meant to.

EHocking · 19th March 2009, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by LTC8K6

http://www.kcra.com/news/18966905/detail.html#

I couldn't get the video quoted upthread to display, but, based on this frame only (and disregarding the fact that the animal actually does exist), I, personally couldn't that your quoted frame as proof of existences. It is for the same reason that I have a number of doubts about the confidence in the evidence for the rediscovery of the Ivory Billed Woodpecker (as a case in point of "poor" supporting evidence). This countered by the fact that I'm an avid birdwatcher, a closet conservationist and an eternal romantic that would dearly wish that the bird was indeed still extant.

Not picking on you personally, but that particular frame is about as good as any blobsqatch shot. If you disregard the fact that the animal does indeed exist, analyse what you can discern from the quality of the photo as a purely intellectual exercise (call it Devil's Advocate if you wish to get formal).

CORed · 19th March 2009, 07:36 PM

Until somebody comes up with indisputable physical (not photos, movies of videos, they can easily be faked), I' going to go with, "There ain't no such animal."

patchbunny · 19th March 2009, 08:47 PM

The still shot isn't the greatest, but the video link is quite clear. Don't know why the link is giving folks troubles. It worked on my PC at home and work.

I look at the video not as much as "this is indisputable proof", but as "if a game camera can capture in excellent clarity a creature that's not been seen in the state for 86 years, where the hell are all the bigfoot videos that show a clear, unambiguous image"?

With that, I'm away from the computer for a while. Enjoy the thread without me.

Orthoptera · 19th March 2009, 08:57 PM

The California wolverine case is a perfect example of why the Bigfoot thing is so ludicrous. On Feb. 28, 2008, a photo trap (one of a large array set out for a marten study) snaps a picture of a wolverine. Within a few days:

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Dogs trained to identify wolverine scat were used to search the area. A large grid (approximately 150 square miles) with remote cameras and hair snares was established and monitored. Ground searches were made looking for wolverine tracks. Flights were conducted to detect possible radio telemetry signals from wolverines previously fitted with radio transmitters in studies in Montana.

These combined efforts yielded a search of 155 miles. Approximately 50 scat and hair samples were found and sent to the Forest Service Rocky Mountain Research Station's Genetic Laboratory for analysis.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0327093622.htm

Within a month, DNA analysis had determined the animal's sex and geographic origin.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0403125451.htm

Bigfoot hunters should consider the above referenced articles carefully-- this is how real biologists operate every day.

16th March 2009, 12:42 PM	#41
kitakaze Resident DJ/NSA Supermole Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Behind the decks in Tokyo, Japan/Victoria, Canada Posts: 9,461	Originally Posted by Vortigern99 I'll repeat my earlier observation that not all reported sightings need to be true in order for some to be possibly true, or to inspire investigation into the origins of the phenomenon. That of course brings us to the problem of deciding what's good and what's bad. This is not a process that Bigfoot enthusiasts seem to be able to agree upon. Quote: I have serious doubts about the Lake Worth creature and indeed, all other sightings in Texas. The gray-haired anthropologist lady with glasses (whose name I've forgotten) who did the "Ask Science" presentation threw out the "200" number when I've routinely heard 2000 from other sources. Most Bigfooters with a lick of sense know they need to be talking about numbers in the thousands. Two thousand still, I think, would not be enough to account for the reports. Krantz was of the mind that they were doing quite fine and that there were at least several thousand. I think Eugenie Scott was referencing some footer arguing 200. I can't stress enough how excellent I thought her lecture was. I think any problems like mentioning west rather than east Texas were superficial. Quote: The last known Giganto. fossil dates from about 300,000 ya. Natural selection would of course have continued during that time, perhaps producing a "Patty"-like animal with morphology adapted to bipedal locomotion and a smaller jaw than that formerly necessary for a foliovorous diet. I'm not suggesting that "Patty" is definitely one such animal (you know my reservations about "her"), simply that such an animal as I've described might conjecturally exist. Remember, such an evolution to an omnivorous diet would bring Giganto in direct competition with human ancestors. And that would bring us to the fall down odds of Patty as Giganto descendant evolving the exact same limb proportions as the only guy to ever claim to be her. But we know what we think about that. Quote: That's a damn good question. The question in my mind isn't the "9000 calorie" question -- bears and wolves used to live in this exact same location, somehow finding enough nutrition to sustain their populations -- but rather how a conjectured large primate would go about (mostly) avoiding detection after decades of human activity in their conjectured habitat. It's a damn good question. Thank you. I haven't seen an answer from Texas' TBRC but Oklahoma's MABRC has cracked out enough to suggest that Bigfoot is intrinsically intelligent enough to understand the concept of game cams and the inherent threat they pose to their eluding humans. They suggest the sasquatches will throw an object in front of the game cam and after it takes a shot, scuttle by unsnapped while the camera recovers. Quote: They might be related to orangs, but that does not perforce mean that all of their behaviors are going to be exactly like orangs. Humans and chimps have very different sets of behaviors, despite our close kinship. I propose the danger call as one possible means of human avoidance; perhaps it's used among the single-female-with-young groups, of whom there are fewer reported sightings, while the solitary males have no such warning system, leading to their more frequent reported sightings. This is all conjecture on my part, a kind of educated guessing game. The other alternative being that the average person making up Bigfoot fantasies, while being imaginative, is not imaginative enough to break the beast man mold and throw in some kids or females. Quote: "Abuse the Farce, Fluke!" If there are Jedi bigfoot, I wonder if there are Sith bigfoot as well? This could be the next area ripe for study! Darth Sasquatch: Misunderstood Misanthrope, or Tragic Hero of the Bigfoot Wars? YOU be the judge. If Jedi Bigfoots are like wookie Bigfoots, there may be very few. Burgstahlian Bigfoots do employ Sith-like abilities, including stealth and affect mind techniques. Whoever completely understood that can join me in the Hall of the Sad.
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16th March 2009, 12:49 PM	#42
kitakaze Resident DJ/NSA Supermole Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Behind the decks in Tokyo, Japan/Victoria, Canada Posts: 9,461	Originally Posted by Ashles I think I'm starting to see the obsession/addiction to Bigfoot threads. It's like being a moth and encountering a fearsomely bright light of stupidity. You know it will burn, but how can you stay away? Slowly we are turning you. Soon your transformation will be complete. ...muWAHAHAHA!!! fell teh bern, mang... kthxbai
	__________________ Until better evidence is provided, the best solution to the PGF is that it is a man in a suit. -Astrophotographer. 2 prints, 1 trackway, same 'dermals'? 'Unfortunately no' says Meldrum. I want to see bigfoot throw a pig... Is that wrong? -LTC8K6

16th March 2009, 12:51 PM	#43
Ashles Pith Artist Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The '80s Posts: 8,711	Originally Posted by kitakaze Slowly we are turning you. Soon your transformation will be complete. Do you know if there anywhere I can find out more about something called 'the Patterson Gimlin film'?
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16th March 2009, 12:52 PM	#44
kitakaze Resident DJ/NSA Supermole Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Behind the decks in Tokyo, Japan/Victoria, Canada Posts: 9,461	ROTFLMAO! That was good.
	__________________ Until better evidence is provided, the best solution to the PGF is that it is a man in a suit. -Astrophotographer. 2 prints, 1 trackway, same 'dermals'? 'Unfortunately no' says Meldrum. I want to see bigfoot throw a pig... Is that wrong? -LTC8K6

16th March 2009, 01:03 PM	#45
JcR Banned Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Still Looking Posts: 1,244	Can I add that Bigfoot ~~is nothing more than conjecture.~~ may be nothing more than conjecture. Or will hairy tree stumps suffice. (My Evidence) I guess I could assign certain living habits of Gorillas, Chimps, and Orangutans to my Tree stump. And once you find my Hairy Tree stump, it will be an easy study (no more conjecture) it doesn't move much. Dark Stump.
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16th March 2009, 01:15 PM	#46
Bill Munns Banned Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 601	"Quote (by somebody else): These are just opinions and guesses, mind you, not substantiated fact. This is the kind of question that merits entire books being written, as opposed to slim, late-night discussion-board messages based on sheer conjecture." (Quote from Kit): "Yes, Bill Munns said something similar to that, I believe... " I did??? Care to jog my memory?
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16th March 2009, 02:00 PM	#47
GT/CS Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,591	Originally Posted by JcR Can I add that Bigfoot ~~is nothing more than conjecture.~~ may be nothing more than conjecture. Or will hairy tree stumps suffice. (My Evidence) I guess I could assign certain living habits of Gorillas, Chimps, and Orangutans to my Tree stump. And once you find my Hairy Tree stump, it will be an easy study (no more conjecture) it doesn't move much. http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting...eb905e30d2.jpg Dark Stump. Track down someone named Creekfreak. He can do wonders with that stump!
GT/CS Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,591	__________________ SweatyYeti or Bill Munns would be my vote for looking at this - BFSleuth @ BFF I've got plenty of common sense! I just choose to ignore it. - Calvin; October 15, 1986

16th March 2009, 02:43 PM	#48
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16th March 2009, 05:19 PM	#49
xblade Critical Thinker Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 459	Originally Posted by manofthesea Did you know the average American never figured how to set their VCR clocks? Do you know the average intelligence of bigfoot hunters and their corresponding capabilities of properly operating a camcorder? The few who have are worthy of Monsterquest and other shows. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cL9Wu2kWwSY So, basically, you're arguing that bigfoot believers aren't very smart, lol. Not much of a defense on the issue if you ask me. Quote: Quote: That's a damn good question. The question in my mind isn't the "9000 calorie" question -- bears and wolves used to live in this exact same location, somehow finding enough nutrition to sustain their populations -- but rather how a conjectured large primate would go about (mostly) avoiding detection after decades of human activity in their conjectured habitat. It's a damn good question. It wouldn't....that's the point. Quote: My guess would be that if bigfoot (plural) exist, then they must have learned to be cautious of human beings, perhaps helping one another avoid humans by means of an "enemy!" call or a similar enculturated response, known among some primate species. I guess Patty skipped class the day that lesson was taught. Instead of avoiding humans, she did everything she could to be seen, and videotaped no less, by two humans. Do they also call out to warn one another of all the camera traps spread out all across this country...the same camera traps that catch clear photos of other elusive creatures that DO exist? If we can get a pic of a raccoon riding a wild boar, I think we should have a decent pic of a bigfoot by now.
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16th March 2009, 06:54 PM	#50
Spektator Dog Who Laughs Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,318	Originally Posted by xblade (snip) If we can get a pic of a raccoon riding a wild boar, I think we should have a decent pic of a bigfoot by now. http://mainehuntingtoday.com/bbb/wp-...e-cam-coon.jpg Hakuna matata!
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16th March 2009, 07:49 PM	#51
LTC8K6 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Directly under a deadly chemtrail Posts: 12,616	Quote: Do you know if there anywhere I can find out more about something called 'the Patterson Gimlin film'? No, the information is not obtainable. There is no information about this film, save mention of the name and the creators.
	__________________ What a fool believes, no wise man has the power to reason away. What seems to be, is always better than nothing. 2 prints, same midtarsal crock..., I mean break?

16th March 2009, 08:31 PM	#52
kitakaze Resident DJ/NSA Supermole Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Behind the decks in Tokyo, Japan/Victoria, Canada Posts: 9,461	Originally Posted by xblade If we can get a pic of a raccoon riding a wild boar, I think we should have a decent pic of a bigfoot by now. http://mainehuntingtoday.com/bbb/wp-...e-cam-coon.jpg I will never, ever get tired of seeing that. Best game cam shot ever. JcR, what can we have you do with this?
	__________________ Until better evidence is provided, the best solution to the PGF is that it is a man in a suit. -Astrophotographer. 2 prints, 1 trackway, same 'dermals'? 'Unfortunately no' says Meldrum. I want to see bigfoot throw a pig... Is that wrong? -LTC8K6

17th March 2009, 07:58 AM	#54
Hitch Muse Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 861	Originally Posted by xblade If we can get a pic of a raccoon riding a wild boar, I think we should have a decent pic of a bigfoot by now. http://mainehuntingtoday.com/bbb/wp-...e-cam-coon.jpg Well done. A near perfect Chewbacca defense. I am impressed.
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17th March 2009, 08:04 AM	#55
William Parcher Show me the monkey! Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 8,504	Originally Posted by kitakaze JcR, what can we have you do with this? A little Photoshop action can have a Bigfoot hoisting that coon on a hog.
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17th March 2009, 08:19 AM	#56
Drewbot Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,846	Personally I think all the videos I've seen are unambiguous (obviously fake). So I don't know what you are referring to. Originally Posted by William Parcher A little Photoshop action can have a Bigfoot hoisting that coon on a hog. Imagine the implications of Bigfoot Tossing a 200 lb hog, with a Raccoon hanging on for dear life.
Drewbot Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,846	__________________ "I dont call that evolution, I call that the survival of the fittest." - Bulletmaker "I thought skeptics would usually point towards a hoax rather than a group being duped." - makaya325 Kit is not a skeptic. He is a former Bigfoot believer that changed his position to that of non believer.- Crowlogic Last edited by Drewbot; 17th March 2009 at 08:21 AM.

17th March 2009, 09:21 AM	#57
Hitch Muse Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 861	Originally Posted by Drewbot Imagine the implications of Bigfoot Tossing a 200 lb hog, with a Raccoon hanging on for dear life. All because the raccoon laughed at him for trying to open a can of baked beans with a screwdriver.
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17th March 2009, 10:08 AM	#58
Skeptical Greg Agave Wine Connoisseur Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Just past 'Resume Speed' Posts: 12,873	Originally Posted by Hitch All because the raccoon laughed at him for trying to open a can of baked beans with a screwdriver. When pancakes could be had, just for the taking..
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17th March 2009, 11:57 AM	#59
kitakaze Resident DJ/NSA Supermole Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Behind the decks in Tokyo, Japan/Victoria, Canada Posts: 9,461	Here is the Bigfoot needed for the throw... Here is the pig and rider... And can Money fit in the mix? At the very least we could have a JREF Bigfoot skeptic mascot. There could possibly be a coat of arms, even.
	__________________ Until better evidence is provided, the best solution to the PGF is that it is a man in a suit. -Astrophotographer. 2 prints, 1 trackway, same 'dermals'? 'Unfortunately no' says Meldrum. I want to see bigfoot throw a pig... Is that wrong? -LTC8K6

17th March 2009, 12:31 PM	#60
Ashles Pith Artist Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The '80s Posts: 8,711	That cheeky little critter gets around.
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17th March 2009, 03:18 PM	#61
GT/CS Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,591	Originally Posted by kitakaze Here is the Bigfoot needed for the throw... http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting...aba79d0cf4.jpg Here is the pig and rider... http://mainehuntingtoday.com/bbb/wp-...e-cam-coon.jpg And can Money fit in the mix? http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting...4c128c4113.jpg At the very least we could have a JREF Bigfoot skeptic mascot. There could possibly be a coat of arms, even. So MMM annoys a bigfoot with his calls and gets a 'coon-pig thrown at his head? I like it!
GT/CS Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,591	__________________ SweatyYeti or Bill Munns would be my vote for looking at this - BFSleuth @ BFF I've got plenty of common sense! I just choose to ignore it. - Calvin; October 15, 1986

17th March 2009, 06:20 PM	#62
xblade Critical Thinker Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 459	Originally Posted by Ashles That cheeky little critter gets around. http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting...ffa9d96b24.jpg lol. This has to be real too. You can even see the muscles flexing due to the weight of the raccoon. At any rate, we must view this photo neutrally. It could be a natural animal carrying another natural animal.

17th March 2009, 06:25 PM	#63
xblade Critical Thinker Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 459	Originally Posted by Hitch Well done. A near perfect Chewbacca defense. I am impressed.

17th March 2009, 10:28 PM	#64
Vortigern99 Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 5,011	Originally Posted by xblade lol. This has to be real too. You can even see the muscles flexing due to the weight of the raccoon. At any rate, we must view this photo neutrally. It could be a natural animal carrying another natural animal. Nice impression. Do you do Walken too?
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18th March 2009, 12:05 AM	#65
JohnG Pedantic Bore Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Abandon All Hope Posts: 4,386	Originally Posted by Vortigern99 Canada contains over one billion acres of unspoiled woodlands Seriously? I'm not even being snarky. That's amazing, if true. Originally Posted by xblade If we can get a pic of a raccoon riding a wild boar, I think we should have a decent pic of a bigfoot by now. Coon and Boar: They fight crime.
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18th March 2009, 05:58 AM	#66
EHocking Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 4,409	Originally Posted by JohnG Quote: Originally Posted by Vortigern99 Canada contains over one billion acres of unspoiled woodlands Seriously? I'm not even being snarky. That's amazing, if true. Weellll, close enough for government work, I guess. From Natural Resources Canada Canada has 402.1 million hectares of forest and other wooded land... (thats 996 million acres) About 8% of Canada's forest area is protected by legislation. About 40% of the total forest landbase is subject to varying degrees of protection such as integrated land-use planning or defined management areas such as certified forests. Annually, less than 1% of Canada's forests are harvested. I guess, from that you could say that 99% are "unspoiled", but this quick fact: By June 2008, almost 138 million hectares of Canada's forests were certified as being sustainably managed by one or more of three globally recognized certification standards. .. gives the impression that over 1/3 of Canada's forests are managed - not what I would call unspoiled, but that may be merely semantics. But I guess the point that was being made was that there is a billion acres of forest that bf can hide in, whereas, from the above facts, 1/3 of that area is managed by various forestry interests - which involves people travelling and working in the area. Still, a nice little get out for bf searchers and researchers - "Theres over 650 million acres that bf can hide in!"
EHocking Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 4,409	__________________ "A closed mouth gathers no feet" "Ignorance is a renewable resource" P.J.O'Rourke Prayer: "a sophisticated way of pleading with thunderstorms." T.Pratchett "It's all god's handiwork, there's little quality control applied", Fox26 reporter on Texas granite Forum Birdwatching Webpage Last edited by EHocking; 18th March 2009 at 06:01 AM.

18th March 2009, 03:47 PM	#67
JcR Banned Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Still Looking Posts: 1,244	David Hobbs would make a great commentator for this.

18th March 2009, 04:17 PM	#68
kitakaze Resident DJ/NSA Supermole Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Behind the decks in Tokyo, Japan/Victoria, Canada Posts: 9,461	OMFG... I just laughed so, so, so very hard for, like, 10 minutes. I can't wipe the smile off my face. I dare not look at that again while trying to type. There must be some more recognition I can give this than a post of praise. Can I nominate an image? We should have a poll for JcR's best or maybe a JcR appreciation thread in Humour or Community. It's gold, Jerry! GOLD!!!
	__________________ Until better evidence is provided, the best solution to the PGF is that it is a man in a suit. -Astrophotographer. 2 prints, 1 trackway, same 'dermals'? 'Unfortunately no' says Meldrum. I want to see bigfoot throw a pig... Is that wrong? -LTC8K6

18th March 2009, 04:22 PM	#69
kitakaze Resident DJ/NSA Supermole Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Behind the decks in Tokyo, Japan/Victoria, Canada Posts: 9,461	Originally Posted by Bill Munns "Quote (by somebody else): These are just opinions and guesses, mind you, not substantiated fact. This is the kind of question that merits entire books being written, as opposed to slim, late-night discussion-board messages based on sheer conjecture." (Quote from Kit): "Yes, Bill Munns said something similar to that, I believe... " I did??? Care to jog my memory? Sorry, Bill. Just saw you there and remembered I hadn't answered that. Just acknowledging the importance of similar discussions. Here's that post: http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php...&postcount=975
	__________________ Until better evidence is provided, the best solution to the PGF is that it is a man in a suit. -Astrophotographer. 2 prints, 1 trackway, same 'dermals'? 'Unfortunately no' says Meldrum. I want to see bigfoot throw a pig... Is that wrong? -LTC8K6

18th March 2009, 07:15 PM	#70
xblade Critical Thinker Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 459	Originally Posted by Vortigern99 Nice impression. Do you do Walken too? No, just footer. Sorry.

18th March 2009, 07:37 PM	#71
Vortigern99 Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 5,011	Ah, good. Well, I'm not a footer, so the imitation doesn't flatter me. But thanks for tryin'!
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19th March 2009, 12:37 PM	#72
patchbunny Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2004 Location: Right about... here. Posts: 1,551	Wolverine filmed near Truckee, California. Until first photographed last year, it's the first confirmation wolverines are in the state since 1922. Most recent video can be found here. Love the clarity of the footage.
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19th March 2009, 12:47 PM	#73
Drewbot Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,846	PatchBunny- Link Broke Kthanxbai
Drewbot Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,846	__________________ "I dont call that evolution, I call that the survival of the fittest." - Bulletmaker "I thought skeptics would usually point towards a hoax rather than a group being duped." - makaya325 Kit is not a skeptic. He is a former Bigfoot believer that changed his position to that of non believer.- Crowlogic

19th March 2009, 12:55 PM	#74
LTC8K6 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Directly under a deadly chemtrail Posts: 12,616	http://www.kcra.com/news/18966905/detail.html#
	__________________ What a fool believes, no wise man has the power to reason away. What seems to be, is always better than nothing. 2 prints, same midtarsal crock..., I mean break?

19th March 2009, 02:16 PM	#75
Bill Munns Banned Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 601	Kit: Thank you for the link reference. JcR: Loved it! Bill
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19th March 2009, 06:13 PM	#76
xblade Critical Thinker Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 459	Originally Posted by Vortigern99 Ah, good. Well, I'm not a footer, so the imitation doesn't flatter me. It wasn't meant to.