Racial discrimination is LEGAL in Israel

Thunder · 22nd March 2009, 09:05 AM

That's right folks. Our great ally, the vanguard of human rights and freedom in the Middle East, the only Western-style freedom-loving country in the Levant...........100% allows racial, religious, and ethnic discrimination.

Where is this racial discrimination allowed? It is allowed in housing, education, and employment.

It is 100% LEGAL in Israel to NOT sell someone a home or NOT rent them an apartment, because of their race. This is a fact.

It is 100% LEGAL in Israel to NOT allow a child to enroll in a kindergarden or nursery, because they are an Arab child. This is a fact.

It is 100% LEGAL to NOT hire someone, because of their race. The State of Israel allows this. No joke..

So folks, never mind the Israeli propaganda, but do we REALLY have common values with Israel? Do we really share common values with a nation that openly allows racial discrimination??

What kind of nation, that has a 2,000 year history of being persecuted, exiled, and murdered, because of racism....allows racism now that they have power and authority?

A nation of hypocrites perhaps?

Only God will judge. And according to the Bible, he does not take kindly to his people being disobedient and arrogant.

Tmy · 22nd March 2009, 09:21 AM

The creation of Isreal was based on discrimination. THe allies figured it was the best way to get rid of the jews was to ship them off to the mid east and disguise it as giving them their own country. Then they became the arabs problem! How convienent.

Thunder · 22nd March 2009, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by Tmy

The creation of Isreal was based on discrimination. THe allies figured it was the best way to get rid of the jews was to ship them off to the mid east and disguise it as giving them their own country. Then they became the arabs problem! How convienent.

funny....but possible.

The Final Solution to the Jewish Question? Send them all to Palestine where the Arabs will want to kill them.

Tmy · 22nd March 2009, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by parky76

funny....but possible.

The Final Solution to the Jewish Question? Send them all to Palestine where the Arabs will want to kill them.

Well the allied countries were (are?) anti semetic themselves. They couldve created a Jewish state on Europe soil if they wanted too.

Thunder · 22nd March 2009, 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by Tmy

Well the allied countries were (are?) anti semetic themselves. They couldve created a Jewish state on Europe soil if they wanted too.

i believe they did not do that because they knew the locals hated the Jews. plus they were worried more about the USSR. the jews were a side issue.

lets not forget there was a pogrom in Poland in 1952. several hundred Jews murdered.

WildCat · 22nd March 2009, 09:26 AM

Another evidence-free post from parky!

WildCat · 22nd March 2009, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by Tmy

The creation of Isreal was based on discrimination. THe allies figured it was the best way to get rid of the jews was to ship them off to the mid east and disguise it as giving them their own country. Then they became the arabs problem! How convienent.

Why was this a problem to the Arabs?

Thunder · 22nd March 2009, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by WildCat

Another evidence-free post from parky!

are you denying that racial discrimination is legal in Israel? is that what you are saying?

http://www.acri.org.il/eng/story.aspx?id=628

http://www.acri.org.il/eng/Story.aspx?id=249

Tmy · 22nd March 2009, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by WildCat

Why was this a problem to the Arabs?

Well the Un created the state out in the mid east knowing it wouldnt be so "kosher"
with the surrounding arab states........ GET IT "kosher". Thats a joke in case you missed it.

Tmy · 22nd March 2009, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by parky76

lets not forget there was a pogrom in Poland in 1952. several hundred Jews murdered.

yeah, cause no jews have been killed in the mid east! Its not like the jews werent familiar to europe. They had settled there for centries. They couldve found a home for them.

WildCat · 22nd March 2009, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by parky76

are you denying that racial discrimination is legal in Israel? is that what you are saying?

I'm saying you have shown no evidence to put things in context. For example, dd you know it ir perfectly legal in the USA to discriminate based on race, religion, or any other reason when renting an apartment in the US? Provided, of course, it's an owner-occupied building of 4 units or less.

Context is everything parky.

WildCat · 22nd March 2009, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by parky76

are you denying that racial discrimination is legal in Israel? is that what you are saying?

http://www.acri.org.il/eng/story.aspx?id=628

http://www.acri.org.il/eng/Story.aspx?id=249

Don't move the goalposts parky. Back up the claims in your OP. Can you do that?

Thunder · 22nd March 2009, 09:54 AM

Originally Posted by WildCat

I'm saying you have shown no evidence to put things in context. For example, dd you know it ir perfectly legal in the USA to discriminate based on race, religion, or any other reason when renting an apartment in the US? Provided, of course, it's an owner-occupied building of 4 units or less.

Context is everything parky.

No. It is a violation of Federal law to discriminate against someone based on race, gender, age, ethnicity. Just ask the HUD.

WildCat · 22nd March 2009, 09:54 AM

Originally Posted by Tmy

Well the Un created the state out in the mid east knowing it wouldnt be so "kosher"
with the surrounding arab states........ GET IT "kosher". Thats a joke in case you missed it.

Lebanon was carvedf out of the Ottoman Empire, as was Iraq, Syria, Jordan, as well as Israel. Why is Israel so special? Why was the UN expected to accomodate Arab and Muslim racism?

Thunder · 22nd March 2009, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by WildCat

Don't move the goalposts parky. Back up the claims in your OP. Can you do that?

Well, for one thing, I read the story where the kindergarden in northern Israel refused to allow in an Arab little girl..because the other parents didn't want an Arab there. This was not illegal.

WildCat · 22nd March 2009, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by parky76

No. It is a violation of Federal law to discriminate against someone based on race, gender, age, ethnicity. Just ask the HUD.

No, it's not. Here's the actual law:

Quote:

(b)Nothing in section 804 of this title (other than subsection (c)) shall apply to--

(1) any single-family house sold or rented by an owner: Provided, That such private individual owner does not own more than three such single-family houses at any one time: Provided further, That in the case of the sale of any such single-family house by a private individual owner not residing in such house at the time of such sale or who was not the most recent resident of such house prior to such sale, the exemption granted by this subsection shall apply only with respect to one such sale within any twenty-four month period: Provided further, That such bona fide private individual owner does not own any interest in, nor is there owned or reserved on his behalf, under any express or voluntary agreement, title to or any right to all or a portion of the proceeds from the sale or rental of, more than three such single-family houses at any one time: Provided further, That after December 31, 1969, the sale or rental of any such single-family house shall be excepted from the application of this subchapter only if such house is sold or rented (A) without the use in any manner of the sales or rental facilities or the sales or rental services of any real estate broker, agent, or salesman, or of such facilities or services of any person in the business of selling or renting dwellings, or of any employee or agent of any such broker, agent, salesman, or person and (B) without the publication, posting or mailing, after notice, of any advertisement or written notice in violation of section 804(c) of this title; but nothing in this proviso shall prohibit the use of attorneys, escrow agents, abstractors, title companies, and other such professional assistance as necessary to perfect or transfer the title, or
(2)rooms or units in dwellings containing living quarters occupied or intended to be occupied by no more than four families living independently of each other, if the owner actually maintains and occupies one of such living quarters as his residence.

http://www.fairhousing.com/index.cfm...gename=FHA_fha

I have a 2-flat and live in one of the units. There is no Federal law that restricts me from not renting to anyone for whatever reason I choose.

Darth Rotor · 22nd March 2009, 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by parky76

Racial discrimination is LEGAL in Israel.
It is 100% LEGAL in Israel to NOT sell someone a home or NOT rent them an apartment, because of their race. This is a fact. It is 100% LEGAL in Israel to NOT allow a child to enroll in a kindergarden or nursery, because they are an Arab child. This is a fact. It is 100% LEGAL to NOT hire someone, because of their race. The State of Israel allows this. No joke..

OK, if I get this right, a man can stand on a street corner in Israel and shout n!igg3r at all the blacks who walk by, and it's OK with everyone there.

Therefore, all of the WN's from the US should move to Israel, since they'll feel more at home and be able to so express themselves on street corners, get the water fountains re organized, resegregate their schools, and realbinize the work force. As an added plus, a chance to commune with Jew haters in Gaza is just a short car ride away.

I see no downside.

Do you?

(Are you sure this discrimination is racial? Isn't it cultural? I mean, all them arabs and jews is semites, ya see ... )

DR

theprestige · 22nd March 2009, 09:59 AM

Somehow I'm not convinced that neglecting to establish any laws explicitly prohibiting this-or-that discrimination is really that big a deal.

WildCat · 22nd March 2009, 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by parky76

Well, for one thing, I read the story where the kindergarden in northern Israel refused to allow in an Arab little girl..because the other parents didn't want an Arab there. This was not illegal.

This constitutes evidence? A story you remember?

For those of us not so sure of your infallible memory can you link the story?

Marc39 · 22nd March 2009, 10:04 AM

The State of Israel will ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex; it will guarantee freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture; it will safeguard the Holy Places of all religions; and it will be faithful to the principles of the Charter of the United Nations.
-- Israel's Declaration of Independence

Darth Rotor · 22nd March 2009, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by Marc39

The State of Israel will ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex; it will guarantee freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture; it will safeguard the Holy Places of all religions; and it will be faithful to the principles of the Charter of the United Nations.
-- Israel's Declaration of Independence

Marc, this prediction/political/assertion rhetoric seems not to match the facts on the ground.

To what do you attribute that? Is that language also incorporated into the Israeli Constitution?

Please share your insights on that.

DR

Thunder · 22nd March 2009, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by WildCat

This constitutes evidence? A story you remember?

For those of us not so sure of your infallible memory can you link the story?

it was in both the jerusalem post and haaretz. i am doing my best to find it.

Thunder · 22nd March 2009, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by Marc39

The State of Israel will ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex; it will guarantee freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture; it will safeguard the Holy Places of all religions; and it will be faithful to the principles of the Charter of the United Nations.
-- Israel's Declaration of Independence

The Israeli Declaration of Independence, though noble in its words, is only a statement of intent. It is not law.

And there is NO Israeli Constitution. Israel is under a permanent state of emergency, which is why perpetual detention without charge is allowed.

FireGarden · 22nd March 2009, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by parky76

It is 100% LEGAL in Israel to NOT sell someone a home or NOT rent them an apartment, because of their race. This is a fact.

What do you mean exactly?
I recall a case that went to court regarding allowing an Arab family to move into a Jewish neighbourhood. This is from 2003, about the Kadan family:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/S...?itemNo=345961

Quote:

The ILA (Israel Lands Administration) will hand over title to a plot in Katzir settlement to the Kadan family, the Arab household that has been trying to move into the new community off Wadi Ara for years and had to go to the High Court of Justice to force the ILA to sell them land.

[...] In March 2000, the Kadan's won a precedent-setting ruling in the High Court, which decided the state cannot discriminate on the basis of religion or nationality when allocating state land to Israeli citizens, even if it allocates the land through a third party such as the Jewish Agency.

[...] Despite the High Court victory, the state and Jewish Agency avoided implementing the verdict and refused to allocate a plot to the family. A month ago, Haaretz reported that Jewish Agency memo recommended ignoring the High Court ruling and to continue operating the policy in effect before the March [2000] court verdict.

While looking for the above I found this, from 2007:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/887477.html

Quote:

On September 10, the High Court will begin discussing petitions to force the ILA to lease JNF lands to non-Jews as well. Petitioners include the Arab rights group Adalah and the Association for Civil Rights in Israel (ACRI). On the other hand, the Knesset approved in a preliminary reading a draft law that would enable the ILA to continue leasing JNF lands to Jews only.

[...] The JNF's legal adviser in Israel, attorney Meir Alfia, and attorneys from S. Horowitz and Co., wrote in bold letters: "The future of the Zionist enterprise and the fate of Jewish settlement in the Land of Israel" hung in the balance. "Is 'Zionism' indeed 'racism' in Israel 2000?" the JNF representatives asked. "Have the Zionist movement and its institutions lost their appeal? Is the High Court of Justice of the Jewish state making such a declaration? These are the real questions the petitioners have brought before the venerable court."

[...] The truth is that until 2004, Arabs could win tenders for JNF lands. The rule was that in such cases, the JNF would exchange land with the ILA, and thus the land would be leased from the ILA, not the JNF. In her statement to the High Court, Mandel claims that this was a clumsy arrangement requiring approval from the Knesset Finance Committee, and that it made things difficult. However, instead of dragging the state into a discussion on when Zionism becomes racism, it may have been easier to simplify this process. In 2004, the ILA published its first tender for JNF lands that stated explicitly that it was subject to the rules of the JNF - that is, that the land could be leased to Jews only. This tender was tantamount to an invitation to a High Court petition, and indeed they soon arrived.

Who needs the JNF (Editorial, Sept 2007):
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/906203.html

I'm not clear on what's happened since then.

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It is 100% LEGAL in Israel to NOT allow a child to enroll in a kindergarden or nursery, because they are an Arab child. This is a fact.

I remember a recent case that might have gone to court. Do you have something in particular in mind?

Quote:

It is 100% LEGAL to NOT hire someone, because of their race. The State of Israel allows this. No joke..

For which jobs? Do you have something in particular in mind?

fuelair · 22nd March 2009, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by parky76

it was in both the jerusalem post and haaretz. i am doing my best to find it.

Not it, but evidence it is likely. Do not misunderstand though - during the course of locating this, I came across large numbers of articles on Palestinian/Hamas things far worse in nature.

http://www.law.nyu.edu/ecm_dlv/group...pro_059608.pdf

Thunder · 22nd March 2009, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by fuelair

Not it, but evidence it is likely. Do not misunderstand though - during the course of locating this, I came across large numbers of articles on Palestinian/Hamas things far worse in nature.

http://www.law.nyu.edu/ecm_dlv/group...pro_059608.pdf

As I have said before, saying that the Western democracy known as Israel does not act as bad as the Islamist extremists in Hamas and Iran, isn't saying much.

bigjelmapro · 22nd March 2009, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by parky76

It is 100% LEGAL in Israel to NOT sell someone a home or NOT rent them an
apartment, because of their race. This is a fact.

Rubbish. The Israeli government owns the vast majority of land and makes it a headache to everyone when making land purchases, equally to all those who seek it.

Quote:

It is 100% LEGAL in Israel to NOT allow a child to enroll in a kindergarden or nursery, because they are an Arab child. This is a fact.

Again, rubbish. The case you provided (although the evidence is yet to be provided) does not make this legal by any means.

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It is 100% LEGAL to NOT hire someone, because of their race. The State of Israel allows this. No joke..

Another baseless allegation. IDF service is seen as a prerequisite to many jobs in Israel and Arabs can choose to serve in the IDF to attain these jobs. I've served with Druze in the IDF, and they have a significant advantage to Druze who choose not to serve in the IDF.

Quote:

So folks, never mind the Israeli propaganda, but do we REALLY have common values with Israel? Do we really share common values with a nation that openly allows racial discrimination??

And your propaganda serves as the voice of reason here? Highly doubtful.

Tmy · 22nd March 2009, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by WildCat

Lebanon was carvedf out of the Ottoman Empire, as was Iraq, Syria, Jordan, as well as Israel. Why is Israel so special? Why was the UN expected to accomodate Arab and Muslim racism?

They accomodated European racism.

Tin Foil Timothy · 22nd March 2009, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by fuelair

Not it, but evidence it is likely. Do not misunderstand though - during the course of locating this, I came across large numbers of articles on Palestinian/Hamas things far worse in nature.

http://www.law.nyu.edu/ecm_dlv/group...pro_059608.pdf

And the old diversion/deflection of whining that sonmebody else did something wrong continues to be forthcoming.

in a word...... YAWN!

Tin Foil Timothy · 22nd March 2009, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by bigjelmapro

IDF service is seen as a prerequisite to many jobs in Israel and Arabs can choose to serve in the IDF to attain these jobs. I've served with Druze in the IDF, and they have a significant advantage to Druze who choose not to serve in the IDF.

That speaks volumes about the immorality of a society where one has to learn how to kill people in order to qualify for getting a job.

I would be ashamed of myself to be forced to join a terrorist military organization like the IDF that teaches you how to kill people.

Quote:

And your propaganda serves as the voice of reason here? Highly doubtful.

On the contrary Parky is ashamed of the behavior of Israel and is speaking out about it. I applaud him.

He certainly doesn't have to resort to the propaganda and lies spewed out by the Israeli Atrocity/Apartheid Deniers and the Zionist Apoogists

Alt+F4 · 22nd March 2009, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by parky76

but do we REALLY have common values with Israel? Do we really share common values with a nation that openly allows racial discrimination??

Ask yourself the bigger question, why is Israel and not Palestine the ally of the United States?

Tin Foil Timothy · 22nd March 2009, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by Tmy

The creation of Isreal was based on discrimination.

It certainly was. And it still is. Israel hasn't finished creating itself yet. Those pesky Palestinians are still in the way.

Quote:

THe allies figured it was the best way to get rid of the jews was to ship them off to the mid east and disguise it as giving them their own country. Then they became the arabs problem! How convienent.

I don't believe that.

Tin Foil Timothy · 22nd March 2009, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by Alt+F4

Ask yourself the bigger question, why is Israel and not Palestine the ally of the United States?

Because the US has a lot of Zionist Supporters. Oh and let's not forget the sizable portion Christian Fundamentlists who Support Israel for biblical prophecy purposes, and also hate the Muslims

Thunder · 22nd March 2009, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by Tin Foil Timothy

Because the US has a lot of Zionist Supporters. Oh and let's not forget the sizable portion Christian Fundamentlists who Support Israel for biblical prophecy purposes, and also hate the Muslims

TFT- so you don't consider Christian Fundamentalists who love Israel to be Zionists? Only Jews are Zionists??

We were making such progress Timmy. I hope it was not for nuthin.

Alt+F4 · 22nd March 2009, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by Tin Foil Timothy

Because the US has a lot of Zionist Supporters. Oh and let's not forget the sizable portion Christian Fundamentlists who Support Israel for biblical prophecy purposes, and also hate the Muslims

It's hate the religion of Islam, in my opinion. What does the average American think? Jewish doctor just saved my life, women in Saudi Arabia aren't allowed to drive.

Islam has a major PR problem in the United States. Until Muslims can stop acting like it's still the 12th century the United States will always favor Israel.

Tin Foil Timothy · 22nd March 2009, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by parky76

TFT- so you don't consider Christian Fundamentalists who love Israel to be Zionists? Only Jews are Zionists??

We were making such progress Timmy. I hope it was not for nuthin.

Are they 2 questions or 2 assumptions?

Huh? You don't have to be Jewish to be a Zionist. Tony Blair and Condoleezza Rice are both Zionists and they aren't Jewish.

I also presume you've heard of Christian Zionism. e.g John Hagee and CUFI, etc,etc

Tin Foil Timothy · 22nd March 2009, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by Alt+F4

It's hate the religion of Islam, in my opinion. What does the average American think? Jewish doctor just saved my life, women in Saudi Arabia aren't allowed to drive.

Islam has a major PR problem in the United States. Until Muslims can stop acting like it's still the 12th century the United States will always favor Israel.

Huh?

Israel acts like the 12th century as well. The PR problem, or more accurately PR imbalance is created by those who own the media.

OH and FWIW Saudi Arabia is well respected by the Western Establishment. There's another double standard.

IDB87 · 22nd March 2009, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by Tin Foil Timothy

OH and FWIW Saudi Arabia is well respected by the Western Establishment. There's another double standard.

Well respected, or tolerated? Is there a reason Saudi Arabia is tolerated in the American government?

Tin Foil Timothy · 22nd March 2009, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by IDB87

Well respected, or tolerated? Is there a reason Saudi Arabia is tolerated in the American government?

Oh I think that it's more than toleration when Red Carpets are involved and schmoozing on the raceourses.

I doubt you are really unaware of the reason the vile Islamic regime ofd Saudi is OK yet for Iran the case is not the same.

IDB87 · 22nd March 2009, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by Tin Foil Timothy

I doubt you are really unaware of the reason the vile Islamic regime ofd Saudi is OK yet for the vile Islamic regime of Iran the case is not the same.

Did you deliberately forget to apply that label to Iran?

Is it ever politcally expedient to show favor to one nation over another? Why or why not?

As to the OP:

Parky, if you could cite the laws Israel has broken with references to specific examples of racial discrimination (IE, that school story you mentioned), that'd be great.

As far as there being racial discrimination in Israel, well it's prettuy obvious there is. However, you'll be hard-pressed to find any Western Nation where there isn't any racial bigotry. Whether or not it's santionced by the state is a huge issue.

22nd March 2009, 09:05 AM	#1
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	Racial discrimination is LEGAL in Israel That's right folks. Our great ally, the vanguard of human rights and freedom in the Middle East, the only Western-style freedom-loving country in the Levant...........100% allows racial, religious, and ethnic discrimination. Where is this racial discrimination allowed? It is allowed in housing, education, and employment. It is 100% LEGAL in Israel to NOT sell someone a home or NOT rent them an apartment, because of their race. This is a fact. It is 100% LEGAL in Israel to NOT allow a child to enroll in a kindergarden or nursery, because they are an Arab child. This is a fact. It is 100% LEGAL to NOT hire someone, because of their race. The State of Israel allows this. No joke.. So folks, never mind the Israeli propaganda, but do we REALLY have common values with Israel? Do we really share common values with a nation that openly allows racial discrimination?? What kind of nation, that has a 2,000 year history of being persecuted, exiled, and murdered, because of racism....allows racism now that they have power and authority? A nation of hypocrites perhaps? Only God will judge. And according to the Bible, he does not take kindly to his people being disobedient and arrogant.

22nd March 2009, 09:21 AM	#2
Tmy Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Republic of Massachusetts Posts: 6,489	The creation of Isreal was based on discrimination. THe allies figured it was the best way to get rid of the jews was to ship them off to the mid east and disguise it as giving them their own country. Then they became the arabs problem! How convienent.
	__________________ "Common sense is something that skeptics can and should do without." -shanek

22nd March 2009, 09:25 AM	#4
Tmy Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Republic of Massachusetts Posts: 6,489	Originally Posted by parky76 funny....but possible. The Final Solution to the Jewish Question? Send them all to Palestine where the Arabs will want to kill them. Well the allied countries were (are?) anti semetic themselves. They couldve created a Jewish state on Europe soil if they wanted too.
	__________________ "Common sense is something that skeptics can and should do without." -shanek

22nd March 2009, 09:26 AM	#5
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	Originally Posted by Tmy Well the allied countries were (are?) anti semetic themselves. They couldve created a Jewish state on Europe soil if they wanted too. i believe they did not do that because they knew the locals hated the Jews. plus they were worried more about the USSR. the jews were a side issue. lets not forget there was a pogrom in Poland in 1952. several hundred Jews murdered.
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22nd March 2009, 09:29 AM	#8
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	Originally Posted by WildCat Another evidence-free post from parky! are you denying that racial discrimination is legal in Israel? is that what you are saying? http://www.acri.org.il/eng/story.aspx?id=628 http://www.acri.org.il/eng/Story.aspx?id=249
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22nd March 2009, 09:23 AM	#3
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	Originally Posted by Tmy The creation of Isreal was based on discrimination. THe allies figured it was the best way to get rid of the jews was to ship them off to the mid east and disguise it as giving them their own country. Then they became the arabs problem! How convienent. funny....but possible. The Final Solution to the Jewish Question? Send them all to Palestine where the Arabs will want to kill them.

22nd March 2009, 09:26 AM	#6
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 49,111	Another evidence-free post from parky!

22nd March 2009, 09:28 AM	#7
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 49,111	Originally Posted by Tmy The creation of Isreal was based on discrimination. THe allies figured it was the best way to get rid of the jews was to ship them off to the mid east and disguise it as giving them their own country. Then they became the arabs problem! How convienent. Why was this a problem to the Arabs?

22nd March 2009, 09:35 AM	#9
Tmy Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Republic of Massachusetts Posts: 6,489	Originally Posted by WildCat Why was this a problem to the Arabs? Well the Un created the state out in the mid east knowing it wouldnt be so "kosher" with the surrounding arab states........ GET IT "kosher". Thats a joke in case you missed it.
	__________________ "Common sense is something that skeptics can and should do without." -shanek

22nd March 2009, 09:36 AM	#10
Tmy Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Republic of Massachusetts Posts: 6,489	Originally Posted by parky76 lets not forget there was a pogrom in Poland in 1952. several hundred Jews murdered. yeah, cause no jews have been killed in the mid east! Its not like the jews werent familiar to europe. They had settled there for centries. They couldve found a home for them.
	__________________ "Common sense is something that skeptics can and should do without." -shanek

22nd March 2009, 09:48 AM	#11
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 49,111	Originally Posted by parky76 are you denying that racial discrimination is legal in Israel? is that what you are saying? I'm saying you have shown no evidence to put things in context. For example, dd you know it ir perfectly legal in the USA to discriminate based on race, religion, or any other reason when renting an apartment in the US? Provided, of course, it's an owner-occupied building of 4 units or less. Context is everything parky.

22nd March 2009, 09:50 AM	#12
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 49,111	Originally Posted by parky76 are you denying that racial discrimination is legal in Israel? is that what you are saying? http://www.acri.org.il/eng/story.aspx?id=628 http://www.acri.org.il/eng/Story.aspx?id=249 Don't move the goalposts parky. Back up the claims in your OP. Can you do that?

22nd March 2009, 09:54 AM	#13
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	Originally Posted by WildCat I'm saying you have shown no evidence to put things in context. For example, dd you know it ir perfectly legal in the USA to discriminate based on race, religion, or any other reason when renting an apartment in the US? Provided, of course, it's an owner-occupied building of 4 units or less. Context is everything parky. No. It is a violation of Federal law to discriminate against someone based on race, gender, age, ethnicity. Just ask the HUD.

22nd March 2009, 09:54 AM	#14
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 49,111	Originally Posted by Tmy Well the Un created the state out in the mid east knowing it wouldnt be so "kosher" with the surrounding arab states........ GET IT "kosher". Thats a joke in case you missed it. Lebanon was carvedf out of the Ottoman Empire, as was Iraq, Syria, Jordan, as well as Israel. Why is Israel so special? Why was the UN expected to accomodate Arab and Muslim racism?

22nd March 2009, 09:55 AM	#15
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	Originally Posted by WildCat Don't move the goalposts parky. Back up the claims in your OP. Can you do that? Well, for one thing, I read the story where the kindergarden in northern Israel refused to allow in an Arab little girl..because the other parents didn't want an Arab there. This was not illegal.

22nd March 2009, 09:57 AM	#16
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 49,111	Originally Posted by parky76 No. It is a violation of Federal law to discriminate against someone based on race, gender, age, ethnicity. Just ask the HUD. No, it's not. Here's the actual law: Quote: (b)Nothing in section 804 of this title (other than subsection (c)) shall apply to-- (1) any single-family house sold or rented by an owner: Provided, That such private individual owner does not own more than three such single-family houses at any one time: Provided further, That in the case of the sale of any such single-family house by a private individual owner not residing in such house at the time of such sale or who was not the most recent resident of such house prior to such sale, the exemption granted by this subsection shall apply only with respect to one such sale within any twenty-four month period: Provided further, That such bona fide private individual owner does not own any interest in, nor is there owned or reserved on his behalf, under any express or voluntary agreement, title to or any right to all or a portion of the proceeds from the sale or rental of, more than three such single-family houses at any one time: Provided further, That after December 31, 1969, the sale or rental of any such single-family house shall be excepted from the application of this subchapter only if such house is sold or rented (A) without the use in any manner of the sales or rental facilities or the sales or rental services of any real estate broker, agent, or salesman, or of such facilities or services of any person in the business of selling or renting dwellings, or of any employee or agent of any such broker, agent, salesman, or person and (B) without the publication, posting or mailing, after notice, of any advertisement or written notice in violation of section 804(c) of this title; but nothing in this proviso shall prohibit the use of attorneys, escrow agents, abstractors, title companies, and other such professional assistance as necessary to perfect or transfer the title, or (2)rooms or units in dwellings containing living quarters occupied or intended to be occupied by no more than four families living independently of each other, if the owner actually maintains and occupies one of such living quarters as his residence. http://www.fairhousing.com/index.cfm...gename=FHA_fha I have a 2-flat and live in one of the units. There is no Federal law that restricts me from not renting to anyone for whatever reason I choose.

22nd March 2009, 09:58 AM	#17
Darth Rotor Salted Sith Cynic Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Rat cheer Posts: 34,279	Originally Posted by parky76 Racial discrimination is LEGAL in Israel. It is 100% LEGAL in Israel to NOT sell someone a home or NOT rent them an apartment, because of their race. This is a fact. It is 100% LEGAL in Israel to NOT allow a child to enroll in a kindergarden or nursery, because they are an Arab child. This is a fact. It is 100% LEGAL to NOT hire someone, because of their race. The State of Israel allows this. No joke.. OK, if I get this right, a man can stand on a street corner in Israel and shout n!igg3r at all the blacks who walk by, and it's OK with everyone there. Therefore, all of the WN's from the US should move to Israel, since they'll feel more at home and be able to so express themselves on street corners, get the water fountains re organized, resegregate their schools, and realbinize the work force. As an added plus, a chance to commune with Jew haters in Gaza is just a short car ride away. I see no downside. Do you? (Are you sure this discrimination is racial? Isn't it cultural? I mean, all them arabs and jews is semites, ya see ... ) DR
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22nd March 2009, 09:59 AM	#18
theprestige Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 8,670	Somehow I'm not convinced that neglecting to establish any laws explicitly prohibiting this-or-that discrimination is really that big a deal.
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22nd March 2009, 09:59 AM	#19
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 49,111	Originally Posted by parky76 Well, for one thing, I read the story where the kindergarden in northern Israel refused to allow in an Arab little girl..because the other parents didn't want an Arab there. This was not illegal. This constitutes evidence? A story you remember? For those of us not so sure of your infallible memory can you link the story?

22nd March 2009, 10:04 AM	#20
Marc39 Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 3,720	The State of Israel will ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex; it will guarantee freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture; it will safeguard the Holy Places of all religions; and it will be faithful to the principles of the Charter of the United Nations. -- Israel's Declaration of Independence
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22nd March 2009, 10:14 AM	#21
Darth Rotor Salted Sith Cynic Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Rat cheer Posts: 34,279	Originally Posted by Marc39 The State of Israel will ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex; it will guarantee freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture; it will safeguard the Holy Places of all religions; and it will be faithful to the principles of the Charter of the United Nations. -- Israel's Declaration of Independence Marc, this prediction/political/assertion rhetoric seems not to match the facts on the ground. To what do you attribute that? Is that language also incorporated into the Israeli Constitution? Please share your insights on that. DR
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22nd March 2009, 10:15 AM	#22
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	Originally Posted by WildCat This constitutes evidence? A story you remember? For those of us not so sure of your infallible memory can you link the story? it was in both the jerusalem post and haaretz. i am doing my best to find it.

22nd March 2009, 10:16 AM	#23
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	Originally Posted by Marc39 The State of Israel will ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex; it will guarantee freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture; it will safeguard the Holy Places of all religions; and it will be faithful to the principles of the Charter of the United Nations. -- Israel's Declaration of Independence The Israeli Declaration of Independence, though noble in its words, is only a statement of intent. It is not law. And there is NO Israeli Constitution. Israel is under a permanent state of emergency, which is why perpetual detention without charge is allowed.
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22nd March 2009, 10:20 AM	#24
FireGarden Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Spannungsbogen -- without a visa Posts: 5,043	Originally Posted by parky76 It is 100% LEGAL in Israel to NOT sell someone a home or NOT rent them an apartment, because of their race. This is a fact. What do you mean exactly? I recall a case that went to court regarding allowing an Arab family to move into a Jewish neighbourhood. This is from 2003, about the Kadan family: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/S...?itemNo=345961 Quote: The ILA (Israel Lands Administration) will hand over title to a plot in Katzir settlement to the Kadan family, the Arab household that has been trying to move into the new community off Wadi Ara for years and had to go to the High Court of Justice to force the ILA to sell them land. [...] In March 2000, the Kadan's won a precedent-setting ruling in the High Court, which decided the state cannot discriminate on the basis of religion or nationality when allocating state land to Israeli citizens, even if it allocates the land through a third party such as the Jewish Agency. [...] Despite the High Court victory, the state and Jewish Agency avoided implementing the verdict and refused to allocate a plot to the family. A month ago, Haaretz reported that Jewish Agency memo recommended ignoring the High Court ruling and to continue operating the policy in effect before the March [2000] court verdict. While looking for the above I found this, from 2007: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/887477.html Quote: On September 10, the High Court will begin discussing petitions to force the ILA to lease JNF lands to non-Jews as well. Petitioners include the Arab rights group Adalah and the Association for Civil Rights in Israel (ACRI). On the other hand, the Knesset approved in a preliminary reading a draft law that would enable the ILA to continue leasing JNF lands to Jews only. [...] The JNF's legal adviser in Israel, attorney Meir Alfia, and attorneys from S. Horowitz and Co., wrote in bold letters: "The future of the Zionist enterprise and the fate of Jewish settlement in the Land of Israel" hung in the balance. "Is 'Zionism' indeed 'racism' in Israel 2000?" the JNF representatives asked. "Have the Zionist movement and its institutions lost their appeal? Is the High Court of Justice of the Jewish state making such a declaration? These are the real questions the petitioners have brought before the venerable court." [...] The truth is that until 2004, Arabs could win tenders for JNF lands. The rule was that in such cases, the JNF would exchange land with the ILA, and thus the land would be leased from the ILA, not the JNF. In her statement to the High Court, Mandel claims that this was a clumsy arrangement requiring approval from the Knesset Finance Committee, and that it made things difficult. However, instead of dragging the state into a discussion on when Zionism becomes racism, it may have been easier to simplify this process. In 2004, the ILA published its first tender for JNF lands that stated explicitly that it was subject to the rules of the JNF - that is, that the land could be leased to Jews only. This tender was tantamount to an invitation to a High Court petition, and indeed they soon arrived. Who needs the JNF (Editorial, Sept 2007): http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/906203.html I'm not clear on what's happened since then. Quote: It is 100% LEGAL in Israel to NOT allow a child to enroll in a kindergarden or nursery, because they are an Arab child. This is a fact. I remember a recent case that might have gone to court. Do you have something in particular in mind? Quote: It is 100% LEGAL to NOT hire someone, because of their race. The State of Israel allows this. No joke.. For which jobs? Do you have something in particular in mind?
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22nd March 2009, 10:27 AM	#25
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28,961	Originally Posted by parky76 it was in both the jerusalem post and haaretz. i am doing my best to find it. Not it, but evidence it is likely. Do not misunderstand though - during the course of locating this, I came across large numbers of articles on Palestinian/Hamas things far worse in nature. http://www.law.nyu.edu/ecm_dlv/group...pro_059608.pdf
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22nd March 2009, 10:58 AM	#26
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	Originally Posted by fuelair Not it, but evidence it is likely. Do not misunderstand though - during the course of locating this, I came across large numbers of articles on Palestinian/Hamas things far worse in nature. http://www.law.nyu.edu/ecm_dlv/group...pro_059608.pdf As I have said before, saying that the Western democracy known as Israel does not act as bad as the Islamist extremists in Hamas and Iran, isn't saying much.

22nd March 2009, 11:57 AM	#27
bigjelmapro Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 3,505	Originally Posted by parky76 It is 100% LEGAL in Israel to NOT sell someone a home or NOT rent them an apartment, because of their race. This is a fact. Rubbish. The Israeli government owns the vast majority of land and makes it a headache to everyone when making land purchases, equally to all those who seek it. Quote: It is 100% LEGAL in Israel to NOT allow a child to enroll in a kindergarden or nursery, because they are an Arab child. This is a fact. Again, rubbish. The case you provided (although the evidence is yet to be provided) does not make this legal by any means. Quote: It is 100% LEGAL to NOT hire someone, because of their race. The State of Israel allows this. No joke.. Another baseless allegation. IDF service is seen as a prerequisite to many jobs in Israel and Arabs can choose to serve in the IDF to attain these jobs. I've served with Druze in the IDF, and they have a significant advantage to Druze who choose not to serve in the IDF. Quote: So folks, never mind the Israeli propaganda, but do we REALLY have common values with Israel? Do we really share common values with a nation that openly allows racial discrimination?? And your propaganda serves as the voice of reason here? Highly doubtful.
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22nd March 2009, 12:32 PM	#28
Tmy Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Republic of Massachusetts Posts: 6,489	Originally Posted by WildCat Lebanon was carvedf out of the Ottoman Empire, as was Iraq, Syria, Jordan, as well as Israel. Why is Israel so special? Why was the UN expected to accomodate Arab and Muslim racism? They accomodated European racism.
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22nd March 2009, 12:42 PM	#29
Tin Foil Timothy Banned Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,089	Originally Posted by fuelair Not it, but evidence it is likely. Do not misunderstand though - during the course of locating this, I came across large numbers of articles on Palestinian/Hamas things far worse in nature. http://www.law.nyu.edu/ecm_dlv/group...pro_059608.pdf And the old diversion/deflection of whining that sonmebody else did something wrong continues to be forthcoming. in a word...... YAWN!
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22nd March 2009, 12:46 PM	#30
Tin Foil Timothy Banned Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,089	Originally Posted by bigjelmapro IDF service is seen as a prerequisite to many jobs in Israel and Arabs can choose to serve in the IDF to attain these jobs. I've served with Druze in the IDF, and they have a significant advantage to Druze who choose not to serve in the IDF. That speaks volumes about the immorality of a society where one has to learn how to kill people in order to qualify for getting a job. I would be ashamed of myself to be forced to join a terrorist military organization like the IDF that teaches you how to kill people. Quote: And your propaganda serves as the voice of reason here? Highly doubtful. On the contrary Parky is ashamed of the behavior of Israel and is speaking out about it. I applaud him. He certainly doesn't have to resort to the propaganda and lies spewed out by the Israeli Atrocity/Apartheid Deniers and the Zionist Apoogists
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22nd March 2009, 12:50 PM	#31
Alt+F4 diabolical globalist Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Department of Abandoned Places Posts: 9,780	Originally Posted by parky76 but do we REALLY have common values with Israel? Do we really share common values with a nation that openly allows racial discrimination?? Ask yourself the bigger question, why is Israel and not Palestine the ally of the United States?
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22nd March 2009, 12:52 PM	#32
Tin Foil Timothy Banned Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,089	Originally Posted by Tmy The creation of Isreal was based on discrimination. It certainly was. And it still is. Israel hasn't finished creating itself yet. Those pesky Palestinians are still in the way. Quote: THe allies figured it was the best way to get rid of the jews was to ship them off to the mid east and disguise it as giving them their own country. Then they became the arabs problem! How convienent. I don't believe that.
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22nd March 2009, 12:54 PM	#33
Tin Foil Timothy Banned Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,089	Originally Posted by Alt+F4 Ask yourself the bigger question, why is Israel and not Palestine the ally of the United States? Because the US has a lot of Zionist Supporters. Oh and let's not forget the sizable portion Christian Fundamentlists who Support Israel for biblical prophecy purposes, and also hate the Muslims
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22nd March 2009, 01:01 PM	#34
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	Originally Posted by Tin Foil Timothy Because the US has a lot of Zionist Supporters. Oh and let's not forget the sizable portion Christian Fundamentlists who Support Israel for biblical prophecy purposes, and also hate the Muslims TFT- so you don't consider Christian Fundamentalists who love Israel to be Zionists? Only Jews are Zionists?? We were making such progress Timmy. I hope it was not for nuthin.
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22nd March 2009, 01:17 PM	#35
Alt+F4 diabolical globalist Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Department of Abandoned Places Posts: 9,780	Originally Posted by Tin Foil Timothy Because the US has a lot of Zionist Supporters. Oh and let's not forget the sizable portion Christian Fundamentlists who Support Israel for biblical prophecy purposes, and also hate the Muslims It's hate the religion of Islam, in my opinion. What does the average American think? Jewish doctor just saved my life, women in Saudi Arabia aren't allowed to drive. Islam has a major PR problem in the United States. Until Muslims can stop acting like it's still the 12th century the United States will always favor Israel.
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