BFF Leader Resigns

Penamunde · 12th May 2009, 04:31 PM

I just heard of Paul Vella's resignation from the AIBR and was just wondering if anyone else has heard of the reasons why?

I just find it Odd.

Thanks have a good one

Blackdog · 12th May 2009, 05:02 PM

Start here and follow the link at the top of the post to the BFF thread for more fun.

More here.

Penamunde · 12th May 2009, 05:26 PM

Thanks Blackdog, I have been busy and just not able to intake all the info, but I also learned that Bipto has completely left the BFF. It just sounds like there is a lot of controversy and not a lot of actual research in these organizations and forums and small groups that focus on the operation would be more apt at the task. We should only hope that there are such groups in motion.

Have a good one

Horatius · 12th May 2009, 05:36 PM

So they weren't Best Friends Forever?

GT/CS · 12th May 2009, 05:52 PM

Here is Paul's final post. Bipto also resigned.

First, let me say that I really hate to do this. You all know that Tom Yamarone and I have fallen out over this. Tom left the forum yesterday with the threat that if I didn't keep the thread open, he would effectively punish the people attending by imposing new restrictions on taking photos and reporting from the event, presumably by demanding copyright ownership on all photos.

I have offerred on SIX occasions over the course of last night to post a message of Tom's choosing to help ease the concerns of the BFF members attending the event, but Tom has steadfastly refused to discuss the issue with you.

I have been receiving numerous pms from concerned attendees, so I feel the need to provide an explanation. This is the ugly bottom line: Tom is pissed with me, has threatened legal action, engaged a 'lawyer' (who I think is his brother) because I have refused to delete his BFF account, and as a result, doesn't want anyone attending the event to post photos or discuss the event here.

I offerred Tom that I would post and ask those attending to refrain from posting photos of the event on BFF if that is what he wants, but he will not aknowledge my offer. The last I heard from Tom, he was planning to not say anything at the event, then afterward would tell you all that you are not allowed to post photos on BFF. His exact words were:

Quote:

After they attend the event, they will be informed of what we are asking.
guess you'd have to be there to know.
I'll say, "We'll see who posts a photo of the bigfoot round-up at the bigfootforums. I doubt
any will." so nope, right now it's just business as usual. and of course, I misspoke.
sure, reporting from the event will occur...just not photographs...without the written permission of the bigfoot round-up.

Let me get this absolutely straight for you. Tom has sold tickets on the basis of an event with no photo restrictions. He cannot change that policy without offerring a refund, and since he is not forwarning you of the change, he could be personally liable for travel and accodation expenses to those who require a refund on the day because of his change in policy. Bottom line is this, you can take photos and post them wherever you like - Tom cannot impose copyright restrictions on your photos after promising a restriction free event.

I will leave it to those attending as to what you do with your photos - I couldn't care one way or the other.

As a result of Tom's legal threat, I resigned last night as a board member and member of AIBR effective immediately.

This thread is closed - there will be no discussion of this debarcle on this forum - this episode is done as far as I'm concerned.

Feel free to start a thread about the conference after it has taken place to discuss it, and I hope everyone attending has a really great time - it sounds like a great line up.

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Gone Fishing!

Blackdog · 12th May 2009, 06:00 PM

Paul's resignation from the AIBR tells me that Bobo and Yamarone weren't the only players that led to that decision.

AtomicMysteryMonster · 12th May 2009, 06:00 PM

Wow, who would've thought that Bob Gimlin would actually be (accidentally) responsible for Bigfootery declining even further?

Penamunde · 12th May 2009, 06:55 PM

As I said in my last post, I hope smaller groups are moving forward and having good, no great results with the research of this mystery.

And thanks for the info guys.

pchams · 12th May 2009, 07:01 PM

Wow!
Sounds like a bunch of cackling loser crystal worshippers.
Make it a life work?.......I think not.

Crowlogic · 12th May 2009, 07:27 PM

maybe its all just a clever ruse.

Penamunde · 12th May 2009, 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by GT/CS

Here is Paul's final post. Bipto also resigned.

This thread is closed - there will be no discussion of this debarcle on this forum - this episode is done as far as I'm concerned.

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Gone Fishing!

Well it seem that in other turmoils of the this kind there is always discussion and discussions on end, with some looking into back threads over at the BFF.

It seems to be a trend with them that they are so quick to discuss the socks off a subject or dirty laundry of others with reckless abandon but when it involves them there is no discussion or thread left to access for future viewing to check their story.

I said it before and will say it again. I have hope that smaller groups with more self control are moving this research forward, rather than these mis-guided in it for the ego organizations.

I'll get off my soap box but I felt that this needed to be pointed out.

Again have a good one.

Drudgewire · 12th May 2009, 08:37 PM

Debarcle?

wicked_ways · 12th May 2009, 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by Drudgewire

Debarcle?

I think a debarcle is a debacle with a bark in it?

Tricky · 12th May 2009, 09:40 PM

They want to restrict pictures at the event? Something tells me that is not in the spirit of open inquiry. Or are they worried about being recognized?

Kilaak Kommander · 12th May 2009, 09:41 PM

For some reason, my spell check wants to change "debarcle" to "bindernagel". What the heck?

You have to feel sorry for Bill Munns here. He's put a lot of work into whatever he's presenting. He doesn't deserve to be overshadowed by this little, uh.... debarcle.

Bill Munns · 12th May 2009, 10:09 PM

Kilaak:

"You have to feel sorry for Bill Munns here. He's put a lot of work into whatever he's presenting. He doesn't deserve to be overshadowed by this little, uh.... debarcle. "

Thank you for your concern. It was an unfortunate incident.

That said, my report will stand on its own, apart from this event, once it's released Friday evening. Who knows. It might be its own debarcle (debacle, I think you mean), as some here seem to anticipate.

We'll see where it goes from there.

Bill

LTC8K6 · 12th May 2009, 11:26 PM

No, he meant debarcle...

It's definitely a debarcle.

A tree knockin' debarcle...

LONGTABBER PE · 13th May 2009, 04:32 AM

Originally Posted by Blackdog

Paul's resignation from the AIBR tells me that Bobo and Yamarone weren't the only players that led to that decision.

There does seem to be a substantial backstory here

mikeyx · 13th May 2009, 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by Penamunde

As I said in my last post, I hope smaller groups are moving forward and having good, no great results with the research of this mystery.

And thanks for the info guys.

Its always been my opinion that the more localized efforts are better just because they know their areas better and can be there more often, besides the bigger groups all seem to have their issues lately, infighting, etc

mikeyx · 13th May 2009, 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by LONGTABBER PE

There does seem to be a substantial backstory here

Vella and Yamarone have been at odds before a little birdy tells me.

LONGTABBER PE · 13th May 2009, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by mikeyx

Vella and Yamarone have been at odds before a little birdy tells me.

Just as a casual observer, what I think I see supports that. This doesnt appear to be your regulat knee jerk reaction. Neither does Bipto's.

Skeptical Greg · 13th May 2009, 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by Tricky

They want to restrict pictures at the event? Something tells me that is not in the spirit of open inquiry. Or are they worried about being recognized?

To be fair, the organizers never promoted it as an open inquiry..

It was pretty much promoted as " Friends ( fans ) Of Bob Gimlin Show Their Support ", ...

I'm sure it's just a coincidence that it followed in the wake of Bill Munns arrival at BFF with his proscribed goal of ' eliminating the impossible ' with regard to the nature of the subject in the film ..

Even though Munns has dropped his ' highly doubtful it's a suit ' hypothesis, his upcoming revelations appear to be the focal point of the event, with the anticipation of ' proof ' that the subject in the film is a real Bigfoot ...

mikeyx · 13th May 2009, 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by Skeptical Greg

To be fair, the organizers never promoted it as an open inquiry..

It was pretty much promoted as " Friends ( fans ) Of Bob Gimlin Show Their Support ", ...

I'm sure it's just a coincidence that it followed in the wake of Bill Munns arrival at BFF with his proscribed goal of ' eliminating the impossible ' with regard to the nature of the subject in the film ..

Even though Munns has dropped his ' highly doubtful it's a suit ' hypothesis, his upcoming revelations appear to be the focal point of the event, with the anticipation of ' proof ' that the subject in the film is a real Bigfoot ...

still, Herriot never based on any evidence presented to my knowledge, indicated any intention to be disruptive.

The decision seemed absolutely aribtrary, based on an old opinion, and Bobo and Yamarone come off looking like whackos in this, period.

The above resignations also for me, raise serious questions regarding the current AIBR leadership.

Just Reading · 13th May 2009, 09:50 AM

According to Vella on the BFF:

"As a result of Tom's legal threat, I resigned last night as a board member and member of AIBR effective immediately."

That sounds to me like he resigned because of the legal threat. According to their website both Vella and Yamarone were on their board of directors. Bipto appears to have just resigned from the BFF not the AIBR. Don't know what that means, if anything.

Penamunde · 13th May 2009, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by mikeyx

The above resignations also for me, raise serious questions regarding the current AIBR leadership.

That point was brought up a few months ago, maybe there's more than just smoke to this fire? In any case, it seems to me that the larger BF Org's have the same case of Irritable bowel syndrome

and there just in denial about it.

Have a good one

LONGTABBER PE · 13th May 2009, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by Just Reading

According to Vella on the BFF:

"As a result of Tom's legal threat, I resigned last night as a board member and member of AIBR effective immediately."

That sounds to me like he resigned because of the legal threat. According to their website both Vella and Yamarone were on their board of directors. Bipto appears to have just resigned from the BFF not the AIBR. Don't know what that means, if anything.

I dont presume to speak for Paul but I believe he is responding because a threat was made ( as in last straw and had enough) rather than any fear of the threat having any teeth.

LONGTABBER PE · 13th May 2009, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by mikeyx

still, Herriot never based on any evidence presented to my knowledge, indicated any intention to be disruptive.
The decision seemed absolutely aribtrary, based on an old opinion, and Bobo and Yamarone come off looking like whackos in this, period.

The above resignations also for me, raise serious questions regarding the current AIBR leadership.

Agreed, I think this was nothing more than petty meanness from a juvenile delinquent in a man's body.

Penamunde · 13th May 2009, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by Just Reading

"As a result of Tom's legal threat, I resigned last night as a board member and member of AIBR effective immediately."

Well it seems to me that, if your going to reach into the legal weaponry bag then you better be sure that there is some meat to be ripped of the bone.

So one has to wonder, if both were on the the board of directors of the AIBR then the one that left, so abruptly I might add may have had something to fear from the one with the bag of tricks, or the one with the bag of tricks just simply had enough of others antics.

And decided that its time for radical surgery, the only problem with this thinking is you always will wonder if you cut enough of the toxic tissues out or continue cutting even if its to the bone.

Just food for thought, maybe the discussions a few months back about this very thing were more on target than previously thought?

Have a good one.

darkwing · 13th May 2009, 05:27 PM

http://bigfootery.blogspot.com/ is a link to a blog that is interesting, given who the author is.

sorry, thought everyone should read who the author of that blog is.

it appears that Paul has less to worry about now anyway, with no longer being over the AIBR.

Penamunde · 13th May 2009, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by darkwing

is a link to a blog that is interesting, given who the author is.

sorry, thought everyone should read who the author of that blog is.

it appears that Paul has less to worry about now anyway, with no longer being over the AIBR.

Thanks for the link, I will check it out. As for Paul Vella maybe with the extra time he can make noteworthy improvements to the forum and less of what has been for the lack of a better term "Sump Waste"

Have a good one

manofthesea · 13th May 2009, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by darkwing

Paul

He's refered to by the acronym CM'CTP around here. (Crazy Mofo 'Cross The Pond)

Penamunde · 13th May 2009, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by manofthesea

He's refered to by the acronym CM'CTP around here. (Crazy Mofo 'Cross The Pond)

Thanks for the info and have a great afternoon.

kitakaze · 14th May 2009, 01:42 AM

Isn't this thread title somewhat misleading? I think it might have been more appropriately named "BFF Leader Resigns From Bigfoot Organization Which is Unrelated to the BFF", no?

kitakaze · 14th May 2009, 01:56 AM

Originally Posted by darkwing

http://bigfootery.blogspot.com/ is a link to a blog that is interesting, given who the author is.

sorry, thought everyone should read who the author of that blog is.

it appears that Paul has less to worry about now anyway, with no longer being over the AIBR.

Hi, Darren. How's things over your way? Must be a lot airier around there without Stink Maker funking the place up. Hey, I know you really don't like Paul Vella (he sorta spurred you into setting up your forum) but don't you think it's gob-smackingly cult behaviour when a couple of jackass Bigfoot fanatics deny a fellow Bigfoot enthusiast entry to a big event because of reservations regarding the PGF they expressed four years ago and then letting him know he would have been physically assaulted if he showed up. Like, if circumstances were different and I had been able to attend, should I expect Fanatic Chimp Bobo to come out literally swinging at me?

That would be some headline, no? "Bigfoot Fanatic Pulls Jim Callahan On PGF Doubter" I would love to see that. I would love to see one of those idiots actually try to get violent if somebody during Q&A with The Gimlin got up and asked him about his relationship with Bob Heironimus and BH's presence in the film.

Penamunde · 14th May 2009, 07:35 AM

Originally Posted by kitakaze

Isn't this thread title somewhat misleading? I think it might have been more appropriately named "BFF Leader Resigns From Bigfoot Organization Which is Unrelated to the BFF", no?

I stand corrected Kitakaze,

Myriad · 14th May 2009, 02:00 PM

Okay, I've done the best I could. To be honest after reading through this whole thread several times, reading links, and looking up names and acronyms, I still have no idea what any of you are talking about. I think, though, that I've been able to identify a bunch of posts that, although I have no idea what they're talking about either, seem to be about something different than whatever the original bunch of posts are about. I've split those other posts to a different thread.

If I've done it wrong for some reason, feel free to send me an explanation of what I should have done and why, but I really really hope that is not necessary.

Please be mindful of Rule 11 of your Membership Agreement, and whatever the heck the topic is, stay on it from now on.

Posted By:Myriad

kitakaze · 14th May 2009, 03:42 PM

Myriad, maybe I can help clear this up a bit...

Who:

Paul Vella, guy from Ireland who is the owner and admin of the largest Bigfoot enthusiast forum on the internet, The Bigfoot Forums (BFF).

What:

Mr. Vella resigned from a separate group, the Alliance of Independant Bigfoot Researchers (AIBR).

Why:

Bob Gimlin, of the Patterson-Gimlin Film, alleged witness to the filming of a Bigfoot in 1967 is the center of an event this weekend on May 16th called The Yakima Bigfoot Round-Up. The organizers of this event are Paul Graves, Tom Yamarone, and James "Bobo" Fay (from 2:22). The organizers had used the BFF to promote their event to members for many months and offered a waiting list for tickets. One person on the list was a fellow enthusiast, Scott Herriott (seen here from about 1:45 on CNN with Anderson Cooper). Recently, Herriott was notified by Yamarone that he was denied attendance and would not be welcome because of perceived insults to Bob Gimlin's integrity. After this denial was posted on the BFF it was shown that the slight in question was reservations Herriott had expressed four years earlier in a post at the BFF where he relayed the words of writer Greg Long's book on the Patterson-Gimlin Film whom refers to an arrest warrant for theft by Gimlin. Herriott was arguing that there might be at least some reason not to argue that Gimlin was beyond reproach.

Fellow organizer James "Bobo" Fey then told Herriott that they were doing him a favour by denying access to the event and that those doubts he had expressed four years ago would result in him being physically assaulted should he attend. Paul Vella, after learning details of the events, demanded that Yamarone and Fey apologize for their actions and told them they would no longer be allowed to use his forum to promote and event which discriminated against certain members of the board. Yamarone refused and threatened to claim copyright control on any pictures taken at the event (like an idiot) so that the photos could not be posted at the BFF. Paul then closed all threads related to the Gimlin event and resigned from the AIBR, which presumably the organizers were involved with as well.

Here is an internet radio interview with Paul Graves and Tom Yamarone regarding the upcoming event:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/TheGrey...ne-Paul-Graves

GT/CS · 14th May 2009, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by Myriad

Okay, I've done the best I could. To be honest after reading through this whole thread several times, reading links, and looking up names and acronyms, I still have no idea what any of you are talking about. I think, though, that I've been able to identify a bunch of posts that, although I have no idea what they're talking about either, seem to be about something different than whatever the original bunch of posts are about.

......Snip

Posted By:Myriad

That's one of the funniest things I've read in a long time!!!

AtomicMysteryMonster · 14th May 2009, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by manofthesea

He's refered to by the acronym CM'CTP around here. (Crazy Mofo 'Cross The Pond)

Wasn't it actually "The madman across the water?" My plugging "CM'CTP" and "Crazy Mofo 'Cross The Pond" into the "Search" feature yielded only your posts in this thread.

kitakaze · 14th May 2009, 04:29 PM

It was translated to MOTSerella - slightly baked.

12th May 2009, 04:31 PM	#1
Penamunde Scholar Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 52	BFF Leader Resigns I just heard of Paul Vella's resignation from the AIBR and was just wondering if anyone else has heard of the reasons why? I just find it Odd. Thanks have a good one
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Penamunde Scholar Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 52	Thanks Blackdog, I have been busy and just not able to intake all the info, but I also learned that Bipto has completely left the BFF. It just sounds like there is a lot of controversy and not a lot of actual research in these organizations and forums and small groups that focus on the operation would be more apt at the task. We should only hope that there are such groups in motion. Have a good one
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GT/CS Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,653	Here is Paul's final post. Bipto also resigned. First, let me say that I really hate to do this. You all know that Tom Yamarone and I have fallen out over this. Tom left the forum yesterday with the threat that if I didn't keep the thread open, he would effectively punish the people attending by imposing new restrictions on taking photos and reporting from the event, presumably by demanding copyright ownership on all photos. I have offerred on SIX occasions over the course of last night to post a message of Tom's choosing to help ease the concerns of the BFF members attending the event, but Tom has steadfastly refused to discuss the issue with you. I have been receiving numerous pms from concerned attendees, so I feel the need to provide an explanation. This is the ugly bottom line: Tom is pissed with me, has threatened legal action, engaged a 'lawyer' (who I think is his brother) because I have refused to delete his BFF account, and as a result, doesn't want anyone attending the event to post photos or discuss the event here. I offerred Tom that I would post and ask those attending to refrain from posting photos of the event on BFF if that is what he wants, but he will not aknowledge my offer. The last I heard from Tom, he was planning to not say anything at the event, then afterward would tell you all that you are not allowed to post photos on BFF. His exact words were: Quote: After they attend the event, they will be informed of what we are asking. guess you'd have to be there to know. I'll say, "We'll see who posts a photo of the bigfoot round-up at the bigfootforums. I doubt any will." so nope, right now it's just business as usual. and of course, I misspoke. sure, reporting from the event will occur...just not photographs...without the written permission of the bigfoot round-up. Let me get this absolutely straight for you. Tom has sold tickets on the basis of an event with no photo restrictions. He cannot change that policy without offerring a refund, and since he is not forwarning you of the change, he could be personally liable for travel and accodation expenses to those who require a refund on the day because of his change in policy. Bottom line is this, you can take photos and post them wherever you like - Tom cannot impose copyright restrictions on your photos after promising a restriction free event. I will leave it to those attending as to what you do with your photos - I couldn't care one way or the other. As a result of Tom's legal threat, I resigned last night as a board member and member of AIBR effective immediately. This thread is closed - there will be no discussion of this debarcle on this forum - this episode is done as far as I'm concerned. Feel free to start a thread about the conference after it has taken place to discuss it, and I hope everyone attending has a really great time - it sounds like a great line up. -------------------- Gone Fishing!
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Penamunde Scholar Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 52	Originally Posted by GT/CS Here is Paul's final post. Bipto also resigned. This thread is closed - there will be no discussion of this debarcle on this forum - this episode is done as far as I'm concerned. -------------------- Gone Fishing! Well it seem that in other turmoils of the this kind there is always discussion and discussions on end, with some looking into back threads over at the BFF. It seems to be a trend with them that they are so quick to discuss the socks off a subject or dirty laundry of others with reckless abandon but when it involves them there is no discussion or thread left to access for future viewing to check their story. I said it before and will say it again. I have hope that smaller groups with more self control are moving this research forward, rather than these mis-guided in it for the ego organizations. I'll get off my soap box but I felt that this needed to be pointed out. Again have a good one.
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wicked_ways Suspended Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 173	Originally Posted by Drudgewire Debarcle? I think a debarcle is a debacle with a bark in it?
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Kilaak Kommander Scholar Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 64	For some reason, my spell check wants to change "debarcle" to "bindernagel". What the heck? You have to feel sorry for Bill Munns here. He's put a lot of work into whatever he's presenting. He doesn't deserve to be overshadowed by this little, uh.... debarcle.
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Bill Munns Muse Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 503	Kilaak: "You have to feel sorry for Bill Munns here. He's put a lot of work into whatever he's presenting. He doesn't deserve to be overshadowed by this little, uh.... debarcle. " Thank you for your concern. It was an unfortunate incident. That said, my report will stand on its own, apart from this event, once it's released Friday evening. Who knows. It might be its own debarcle (debacle, I think you mean), as some here seem to anticipate. We'll see where it goes from there. Bill
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LONGTABBER PE Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,865	Originally Posted by Blackdog Paul's resignation from the AIBR tells me that Bobo and Yamarone weren't the only players that led to that decision. There does seem to be a substantial backstory here

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mikeyx Muse Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 511	Originally Posted by Penamunde As I said in my last post, I hope smaller groups are moving forward and having good, no great results with the research of this mystery. And thanks for the info guys. Its always been my opinion that the more localized efforts are better just because they know their areas better and can be there more often, besides the bigger groups all seem to have their issues lately, infighting, etc
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mikeyx Muse Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 511	Originally Posted by LONGTABBER PE There does seem to be a substantial backstory here Vella and Yamarone have been at odds before a little birdy tells me.
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13th May 2009, 08:53 AM	#21
LONGTABBER PE Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,865	Originally Posted by mikeyx Vella and Yamarone have been at odds before a little birdy tells me. Just as a casual observer, what I think I see supports that. This doesnt appear to be your regulat knee jerk reaction. Neither does Bipto's.

13th May 2009, 09:01 AM	#22
Skeptical Greg Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Just past ' Resume Speed ' Posts: 8,840	Originally Posted by Tricky They want to restrict pictures at the event? Something tells me that is not in the spirit of open inquiry. Or are they worried about being recognized? To be fair, the organizers never promoted it as an open inquiry.. It was pretty much promoted as " Friends ( fans ) Of Bob Gimlin Show Their Support ", ... I'm sure it's just a coincidence that it followed in the wake of Bill Munns arrival at BFF with his proscribed goal of ' eliminating the impossible ' with regard to the nature of the subject in the film .. Even though Munns has dropped his ' highly doubtful it's a suit ' hypothesis, his upcoming revelations appear to be the focal point of the event, with the anticipation of ' proof ' that the subject in the film is a real Bigfoot ...
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13th May 2009, 09:10 AM	#23
mikeyx Muse Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 511	Originally Posted by Skeptical Greg To be fair, the organizers never promoted it as an open inquiry.. It was pretty much promoted as " Friends ( fans ) Of Bob Gimlin Show Their Support ", ... I'm sure it's just a coincidence that it followed in the wake of Bill Munns arrival at BFF with his proscribed goal of ' eliminating the impossible ' with regard to the nature of the subject in the film .. Even though Munns has dropped his ' highly doubtful it's a suit ' hypothesis, his upcoming revelations appear to be the focal point of the event, with the anticipation of ' proof ' that the subject in the film is a real Bigfoot ... still, Herriot never based on any evidence presented to my knowledge, indicated any intention to be disruptive. The decision seemed absolutely aribtrary, based on an old opinion, and Bobo and Yamarone come off looking like whackos in this, period. The above resignations also for me, raise serious questions regarding the current AIBR leadership.
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13th May 2009, 09:50 AM	#24
Just Reading New Blood Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 18	According to Vella on the BFF: "As a result of Tom's legal threat, I resigned last night as a board member and member of AIBR effective immediately." That sounds to me like he resigned because of the legal threat. According to their website both Vella and Yamarone were on their board of directors. Bipto appears to have just resigned from the BFF not the AIBR. Don't know what that means, if anything.
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13th May 2009, 10:23 AM	#25
Penamunde Scholar Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 52	Originally Posted by mikeyx The above resignations also for me, raise serious questions regarding the current AIBR leadership. That point was brought up a few months ago, maybe there's more than just smoke to this fire? In any case, it seems to me that the larger BF Org's have the same case of Irritable bowel syndrome and there just in denial about it. Have a good one
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13th May 2009, 10:25 AM	#26
LONGTABBER PE Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,865	Originally Posted by Just Reading According to Vella on the BFF: "As a result of Tom's legal threat, I resigned last night as a board member and member of AIBR effective immediately." That sounds to me like he resigned because of the legal threat. According to their website both Vella and Yamarone were on their board of directors. Bipto appears to have just resigned from the BFF not the AIBR. Don't know what that means, if anything. I dont presume to speak for Paul but I believe he is responding because a threat was made ( as in last straw and had enough) rather than any fear of the threat having any teeth.

13th May 2009, 10:27 AM	#27
LONGTABBER PE Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,865	Originally Posted by mikeyx still, Herriot never based on any evidence presented to my knowledge, indicated any intention to be disruptive. The decision seemed absolutely aribtrary, based on an old opinion, and Bobo and Yamarone come off looking like whackos in this, period. The above resignations also for me, raise serious questions regarding the current AIBR leadership. Agreed, I think this was nothing more than petty meanness from a juvenile delinquent in a man's body.

13th May 2009, 11:00 AM	#28
Penamunde Scholar Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 52	Originally Posted by Just Reading "As a result of Tom's legal threat, I resigned last night as a board member and member of AIBR effective immediately." Well it seems to me that, if your going to reach into the legal weaponry bag then you better be sure that there is some meat to be ripped of the bone. So one has to wonder, if both were on the the board of directors of the AIBR then the one that left, so abruptly I might add may have had something to fear from the one with the bag of tricks, or the one with the bag of tricks just simply had enough of others antics. And decided that its time for radical surgery, the only problem with this thinking is you always will wonder if you cut enough of the toxic tissues out or continue cutting even if its to the bone. Just food for thought, maybe the discussions a few months back about this very thing were more on target than previously thought? Have a good one.
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13th May 2009, 05:27 PM	#29
darkwing Student Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 44	http://bigfootery.blogspot.com/ is a link to a blog that is interesting, given who the author is. sorry, thought everyone should read who the author of that blog is. it appears that Paul has less to worry about now anyway, with no longer being over the AIBR.
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13th May 2009, 05:34 PM	#30
Penamunde Scholar Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 52	Originally Posted by darkwing is a link to a blog that is interesting, given who the author is. sorry, thought everyone should read who the author of that blog is. it appears that Paul has less to worry about now anyway, with no longer being over the AIBR. Thanks for the link, I will check it out. As for Paul Vella maybe with the extra time he can make noteworthy improvements to the forum and less of what has been for the lack of a better term "Sump Waste" Have a good one
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13th May 2009, 05:35 PM	#31
manofthesea 2wu4u Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: In Your Head Posts: 944	Originally Posted by darkwing Paul He's refered to by the acronym CM'CTP around here. (Crazy Mofo 'Cross The Pond)
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13th May 2009, 05:39 PM	#32
Penamunde Scholar Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 52	Originally Posted by manofthesea He's refered to by the acronym CM'CTP around here. (Crazy Mofo 'Cross The Pond) Thanks for the info and have a great afternoon.
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14th May 2009, 01:42 AM	#33
kitakaze Resident DJ/NSA Supermole Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Behind the decks in Tokyo, Japan Posts: 7,751	Isn't this thread title somewhat misleading? I think it might have been more appropriately named "BFF Leader Resigns From Bigfoot Organization Which is Unrelated to the BFF", no?
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14th May 2009, 01:56 AM	#34
kitakaze Resident DJ/NSA Supermole Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Behind the decks in Tokyo, Japan Posts: 7,751	Originally Posted by darkwing http://bigfootery.blogspot.com/ is a link to a blog that is interesting, given who the author is. sorry, thought everyone should read who the author of that blog is. it appears that Paul has less to worry about now anyway, with no longer being over the AIBR. Hi, Darren. How's things over your way? Must be a lot airier around there without Stink Maker funking the place up. Hey, I know you really don't like Paul Vella (he sorta spurred you into setting up your forum) but don't you think it's gob-smackingly cult behaviour when a couple of jackass Bigfoot fanatics deny a fellow Bigfoot enthusiast entry to a big event because of reservations regarding the PGF they expressed four years ago and then letting him know he would have been physically assaulted if he showed up. Like, if circumstances were different and I had been able to attend, should I expect Fanatic Chimp Bobo to come out literally swinging at me? That would be some headline, no? "Bigfoot Fanatic Pulls Jim Callahan On PGF Doubter" I would love to see that. I would love to see one of those idiots actually try to get violent if somebody during Q&A with The Gimlin got up and asked him about his relationship with Bob Heironimus and BH's presence in the film.
	__________________ Until better evidence is provided, the best solution to the PGF is that it is a man in a suit. -Astrophotographer. 2 prints, 1 trackway, same 'dermals'? 'Unfortunately no' says Meldrum. I want to see bigfoot throw a pig... Is that wrong? -LTC8K6

14th May 2009, 07:35 AM	#35
Penamunde Scholar Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 52	Originally Posted by kitakaze Isn't this thread title somewhat misleading? I think it might have been more appropriately named "BFF Leader Resigns From Bigfoot Organization Which is Unrelated to the BFF", no? I stand corrected Kitakaze,
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