Incontrovertible evidence of a global flood

vitamin · 19th May 2009, 04:35 AM

Of course by "incontrovertible," I mean "easily dismissed."

Sometimes I think that creationists are actively trying to make me giggle.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/get-...flood-evidence

Frankenstyle · 19th May 2009, 08:15 AM

I've always gotten a kick out of them invoking deep sea fossils on mountains as evidence of a global flood. Somehow they manage to ignore the fact that for that volume of water to cover the Earth to that depth in the time frame given, the forces would have been equivalent to hydraulic mining.

If the flood is taken literally, the Earth wouldn't have mountains, it'd be more of a polished marble with no significant changes in elevation from one point to the next.

Eh, some people's kids...you just can't take them anywhere, and be proud.

fishbob · 19th May 2009, 08:22 AM

More lying for Jesus.

In this case, stupid lying for Jesus.

Damien Evans · 19th May 2009, 08:26 AM

Originally Posted by vitamin

Of course by "incontrovertible," I mean "easily dismissed."

Sometimes I think that creationists are actively trying to make me giggle.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/get-...flood-evidence

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Idiots!

ravdin · 19th May 2009, 08:53 AM

The flood randomly left marine fossils at the tops of mountains- and at the same time other animals (kangaroos, giraffes, camels, opossums) were correctly redistributed to their proper continents.

Jesus is magic!

temporalillusion · 19th May 2009, 09:02 AM

Where's the genetic bottleneck in every species?

aggle-rithm · 19th May 2009, 09:32 AM

Wait a minute.

I've heard that the existence of discontinuities in rock strata is a major problem with the "Old Earth Theory".

Now they are pointing at places where there are no discontinuities, and saying that's evidence for a Young Earth as well...?

Mind-boggling.

Dorcas · 19th May 2009, 09:34 AM

'By the early 1800s, however, great thicknesses of fossiliferous strata were discovered. It became clear that they could not all have been produced by a single flood, however catastrophic. Furthermore, the duration of the Earth's early prehistoric development could no longer be confined to a duration of a few thousand years
'As an understanding of the slowness of the rates of many geological processes such as erosion and sedimentation developed, the age of the Earth had to be extended into millions, rather than just thousands, of years. What became clear was that during this long history there had been continual burial of organic remains within layers of sediment, and that the types of fossils found varied throughout the different rock strata.'

aggle-rithm · 19th May 2009, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by ravdin

The flood randomly left marine fossils at the tops of mountains- and at the same time other animals (kangaroos, giraffes, camels, opossums) were correctly redistributed to their proper continents.

Jesus is magic!

Yep, pulling all those eukalyptus leaves out of nowhere to feed the koalas for forty days makes the "Feeding of the Multitudes" look like a cheap parlor trick.

Also, the predatory species were very kind to hold off eating for a few years to give the herbivores time to repopulate the Earth.

aggle-rithm · 19th May 2009, 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by Dorcas

'By the early 1800s, however, great thicknesses of fossiliferous strata were discovered. It became clear that they could not all have been produced by a single flood, however catastrophic. Furthermore, the duration of the Earth's early prehistoric development could no longer be confined to a duration of a few thousand years
'As an understanding of the slowness of the rates of many geological processes such as erosion and sedimentation developed, the age of the Earth had to be extended into millions, rather than just thousands, of years. What became clear was that during this long history there had been continual burial of organic remains within layers of sediment, and that the types of fossils found varied throughout the different rock strata.'

...Satan...? Is that you...?

Psi Baba · 19th May 2009, 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by AbsurdityInGenesis

We find fossils of sea creatures in rock layers that cover all the continents. For example, most of the rock layers in the walls of Grand Canyon (more than a mile above sea level) contain marine fossils. Fossilized shellfish are even found in the Himalayas.

So . . . the Flood only killed marine animals???

Soapy Sam · 19th May 2009, 10:01 AM

Uplift causes tablelands. (eg the Colorado Plateau).

Mountains are caused by erosion.

Once you get your head round this, geography - and some history- look quite different.

steve s · 19th May 2009, 02:19 PM

Has anyone been watching the show How The Earth Was Made on the History Channel? They've had a few episodes that explain how uplift from tectonic forces result in fossiles of sea creatures being on mountaintops. They had a recent one on how the Alps were formed. They mentioned one range made of a layer of limestone that was something like 7000 feet thick. They went on to explain how the limestone was gradually built up by the accumulation of trillions of tiny sea creatures. I'd like to see the creationists explain how all that was accomplished in a few thousand years.

Steve S.

Soapy Sam · 19th May 2009, 02:28 PM

Goddidit.
Next question?

rjh01 · 20th May 2009, 01:33 AM

If that is the best they can do I am laughing.

Beerina · 21st May 2009, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by Soapy Sam

Uplift causes tablelands. (eg the Colorado Plateau).

Mountains are caused by erosion.

Once you get your head round this, geography - and some history- look quite different.

Mountains aren't caused by buckling? You need one hell of a collapse to tilt the otherwise still flat, but uplifted strata in a plateau to become angled as on a mountain.

No, I know what you're saying, but I think you're thinking of something else.

Those tall, narrow Wile E. Coyote plateaus are the remains of volcano cores where the surrounding slopes, being mostly ash and wimpy pumice, have long since eroded away, leaving the denser rock core sticking up in the air.

But for a plateau -- a raised area of rock that's still horizontal -- to leave the Rockies would require a plateau of astounding immensity, both in length and in width, to say nothing of height.

I don't think there's any evidence for the 90% bulk of uplifted land to erode away, leaving the rockies (and such that parts underneath eroded away, causing one side to collapse downward, leaving one side of the Rocky range.)

19th May 2009, 04:35 AM	#1
vitamin Student Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 46	Incontrovertible evidence of a global flood Of course by "incontrovertible," I mean "easily dismissed." Sometimes I think that creationists are actively trying to make me giggle. http://www.answersingenesis.org/get-...flood-evidence
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19th May 2009, 08:15 AM	#2
Frankenstyle Scholar Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 96	I've always gotten a kick out of them invoking deep sea fossils on mountains as evidence of a global flood. Somehow they manage to ignore the fact that for that volume of water to cover the Earth to that depth in the time frame given, the forces would have been equivalent to hydraulic mining. If the flood is taken literally, the Earth wouldn't have mountains, it'd be more of a polished marble with no significant changes in elevation from one point to the next. Eh, some people's kids...you just can't take them anywhere, and be proud.
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Damien Evans Up The Irons Tagger Join Date: May 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 25,310	Originally Posted by vitamin Of course by "incontrovertible," I mean "easily dismissed." Sometimes I think that creationists are actively trying to make me giggle. http://www.answersingenesis.org/get-...flood-evidence ...... ...... Idiots!
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19th May 2009, 08:53 AM	#5
ravdin Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 3,568	The flood randomly left marine fossils at the tops of mountains- and at the same time other animals (kangaroos, giraffes, camels, opossums) were correctly redistributed to their proper continents. Jesus is magic!
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19th May 2009, 09:32 AM	#7
aggle-rithm Ardent Formulist Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 14,155	Wait a minute. I've heard that the existence of discontinuities in rock strata is a major problem with the "Old Earth Theory". Now they are pointing at places where there are no discontinuities, and saying that's evidence for a Young Earth as well...? Mind-boggling.
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19th May 2009, 09:34 AM	#8
Dorcas New Blood Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 22	'By the early 1800s, however, great thicknesses of fossiliferous strata were discovered. It became clear that they could not all have been produced by a single flood, however catastrophic. Furthermore, the duration of the Earth's early prehistoric development could no longer be confined to a duration of a few thousand years 'As an understanding of the slowness of the rates of many geological processes such as erosion and sedimentation developed, the age of the Earth had to be extended into millions, rather than just thousands, of years. What became clear was that during this long history there had been continual burial of organic remains within layers of sediment, and that the types of fossils found varied throughout the different rock strata.'
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19th May 2009, 09:36 AM	#9
aggle-rithm Ardent Formulist Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 14,155	Originally Posted by ravdin The flood randomly left marine fossils at the tops of mountains- and at the same time other animals (kangaroos, giraffes, camels, opossums) were correctly redistributed to their proper continents. Jesus is magic! Yep, pulling all those eukalyptus leaves out of nowhere to feed the koalas for forty days makes the "Feeding of the Multitudes" look like a cheap parlor trick. Also, the predatory species were very kind to hold off eating for a few years to give the herbivores time to repopulate the Earth.
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19th May 2009, 09:37 AM	#10
aggle-rithm Ardent Formulist Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 14,155	Originally Posted by Dorcas 'By the early 1800s, however, great thicknesses of fossiliferous strata were discovered. It became clear that they could not all have been produced by a single flood, however catastrophic. Furthermore, the duration of the Earth's early prehistoric development could no longer be confined to a duration of a few thousand years 'As an understanding of the slowness of the rates of many geological processes such as erosion and sedimentation developed, the age of the Earth had to be extended into millions, rather than just thousands, of years. What became clear was that during this long history there had been continual burial of organic remains within layers of sediment, and that the types of fossils found varied throughout the different rock strata.' ...Satan...? Is that you...?
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19th May 2009, 09:43 AM	#11
Psi Baba Homo Skepticalis Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Occupying my barstool Posts: 3,183	Originally Posted by AbsurdityInGenesis We find fossils of sea creatures in rock layers that cover all the continents. For example, most of the rock layers in the walls of Grand Canyon (more than a mile above sea level) contain marine fossils. Fossilized shellfish are even found in the Himalayas. So . . . the Flood only killed marine animals???
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Soapy Sam NLH Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 25,885	Uplift causes tablelands. (eg the Colorado Plateau). Mountains are caused by erosion. Once you get your head round this, geography - and some history- look quite different.
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19th May 2009, 02:19 PM	#13
steve s Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 3,666	Has anyone been watching the show How The Earth Was Made on the History Channel? They've had a few episodes that explain how uplift from tectonic forces result in fossiles of sea creatures being on mountaintops. They had a recent one on how the Alps were formed. They mentioned one range made of a layer of limestone that was something like 7000 feet thick. They went on to explain how the limestone was gradually built up by the accumulation of trillions of tiny sea creatures. I'd like to see the creationists explain how all that was accomplished in a few thousand years. Steve S.
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Soapy Sam NLH Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 25,885	Goddidit. Next question?
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Beerina Sarcastic Conqueror of Notions Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: A floating island above the clouds Posts: 23,835	Originally Posted by Soapy Sam Uplift causes tablelands. (eg the Colorado Plateau). Mountains are caused by erosion. Once you get your head round this, geography - and some history- look quite different. Mountains aren't caused by buckling? You need one hell of a collapse to tilt the otherwise still flat, but uplifted strata in a plateau to become angled as on a mountain. No, I know what you're saying, but I think you're thinking of something else. Those tall, narrow Wile E. Coyote plateaus are the remains of volcano cores where the surrounding slopes, being mostly ash and wimpy pumice, have long since eroded away, leaving the denser rock core sticking up in the air. But for a plateau -- a raised area of rock that's still horizontal -- to leave the Rockies would require a plateau of astounding immensity, both in length and in width, to say nothing of height. I don't think there's any evidence for the 90% bulk of uplifted land to erode away, leaving the rockies (and such that parts underneath eroded away, causing one side to collapse downward, leaving one side of the Rocky range.)
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