The "Ida" fossil - plugging another "hole" in the ToE

Safe-Keeper · 19th May 2009, 03:14 PM

I'm personally intrigued by the discovery of this fossil, which is supposedly so old that it gives scientists invaluable knowledge on our origins. Anyone else heard of it?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/20...a-missing-link

Louisthe13th · 19th May 2009, 03:28 PM

Just saw this at work on the Yahoo page.

Stated that there is talk of this being the first "non-living" cover of People magazine.

paximperium · 19th May 2009, 03:35 PM

It's on NY Times.

icerat · 19th May 2009, 03:36 PM

This is just further clear evidence of the invalidity of evolution. Prior to this discovery, where this fossil goes there was one gap in the fossil record - now there's two!

See, even more missing links. Evolution just continues to be further discredited!

Paul C. Anagnostopoulos · 19th May 2009, 03:53 PM

Yes, I'm not going to believe in evolution until I see an ancestor with a semi-opposable thumb!

~~ Paul

geni · 19th May 2009, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

I'm personally intrigued by the discovery of this fossil, which is supposedly so old that it gives scientists invaluable knowledge on our origins. Anyone else heard of it?

Yes. Likely overhyped. It's a great fossile but the species is little different from ones with already have and the odds of it being a dirrect ancestor of humans and monkeys is limited.

Safe-Keeper · 20th May 2009, 04:30 AM

But-- but-- it's in the Google logo!

It must be important!

What I personally disliked is that it's touted as "the missing link", and that now evolution is finally proven or somesuch. Deeply misleading.

Manning · 20th May 2009, 05:29 AM

Originally Posted by icerat

This is just further clear evidence of the invalidity of evolution. Prior to this discovery, where this fossil goes there was one gap in the fossil record - now there's two!

See, even more missing links. Evolution just continues to be further discredited!

I presume you are being ironic...? Even a diehard anti-evolutionist would not make such a logically flawed statement.

fuelair · 20th May 2009, 06:04 AM

Originally Posted by Manning

I presume you are being ironic...? Even a diehard anti-evolutionist would not make such a logically flawed statement.

Yes, he is - but he is making it because many die-hard anti-evolutionists have indeed made that statement - each time a new fossil in a line has been discovered.

Eos of the Eons · 20th May 2009, 02:55 PM

Pfft. It's not a missing link cuz it doesn't look anywhere near human!

*ducks and runs*

Well, that is what the fundies are saying!

Trait? What's a trait??? budddabum.

Nogbad · 20th May 2009, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by Manning

I presume you are being ironic...? Even a diehard anti-evolutionist would not make such a logically flawed statement.

The irony was in metal bar form but as to your latter - Oh yes, yes they would.

Safe-Keeper · 20th May 2009, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Pfft. It's not a missing link cuz it doesn't look anywhere near human!

*ducks and runs*

Well, that is what the fundies are saying!

Yup, just saw that as a comment over at bt.no, the city paper from where I first got the news. "This can't be our descendent because it doesn't look human".

I call appeal to incredulity.

John Jones · 20th May 2009, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by Manning

I presume you are being ironic...? Even a diehard anti-evolutionist would not make such a logically flawed statement.

They do it all the time.

John Jones · 20th May 2009, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by Eos of the Eons

Pfft. It's not a missing link cuz it doesn't look anywhere near human!

*ducks and runs*

Well, that is what the fundies are saying!

Trait? What's a trait??? budddabum.

One of them on another board where I post said: "How can it be a missing link when its tail is longer than its body?"

19th May 2009, 03:14 PM	#1
Safe-Keeper Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sogndal, Norway Posts: 7,117	The "Ida" fossil - plugging another "hole" in the ToE I'm personally intrigued by the discovery of this fossil, which is supposedly so old that it gives scientists invaluable knowledge on our origins. Anyone else heard of it? http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/20...a-missing-link

19th May 2009, 03:28 PM	#2
Louisthe13th Student Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 47	Just saw this at work on the Yahoo page. Stated that there is talk of this being the first "non-living" cover of People magazine.
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19th May 2009, 03:35 PM	#3
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20th May 2009, 06:04 AM	#9
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28,881	Originally Posted by Manning I presume you are being ironic...? Even a diehard anti-evolutionist would not make such a logically flawed statement. Yes, he is - but he is making it because many die-hard anti-evolutionists have indeed made that statement - each time a new fossil in a line has been discovered.
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19th May 2009, 03:36 PM	#4
icerat Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: sweden Posts: 3,122	This is just further clear evidence of the invalidity of evolution. Prior to this discovery, where this fossil goes there was one gap in the fossil record - now there's two! See, even more missing links. Evolution just continues to be further discredited!

19th May 2009, 03:56 PM	#6
geni Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: UK Posts: 26,549	Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper I'm personally intrigued by the discovery of this fossil, which is supposedly so old that it gives scientists invaluable knowledge on our origins. Anyone else heard of it? Yes. Likely overhyped. It's a great fossile but the species is little different from ones with already have and the odds of it being a dirrect ancestor of humans and monkeys is limited.

20th May 2009, 04:30 AM	#7
Safe-Keeper Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sogndal, Norway Posts: 7,117	But-- but-- it's in the Google logo! It must be important! What I personally disliked is that it's touted as "the missing link", and that now evolution is finally proven or somesuch. Deeply misleading.

20th May 2009, 05:29 AM	#8
Manning Student Join Date: May 2009 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 30	Originally Posted by icerat This is just further clear evidence of the invalidity of evolution. Prior to this discovery, where this fossil goes there was one gap in the fossil record - now there's two! See, even more missing links. Evolution just continues to be further discredited! I presume you are being ironic...? Even a diehard anti-evolutionist would not make such a logically flawed statement.

20th May 2009, 02:55 PM	#10
Eos of the Eons Mad Scientist Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Alberta Posts: 13,894	Pfft. It's not a missing link cuz it doesn't look anywhere near human! ducks and runs Well, that is what the fundies are saying! Trait? What's a trait??? budddabum.
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20th May 2009, 02:59 PM	#11
Nogbad Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Scotland Posts: 2,510	Originally Posted by Manning I presume you are being ironic...? Even a diehard anti-evolutionist would not make such a logically flawed statement. The irony was in metal bar form but as to your latter - Oh yes, yes they would.
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20th May 2009, 03:01 PM	#12
Safe-Keeper Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sogndal, Norway Posts: 7,117	Quote: Pfft. It's not a missing link cuz it doesn't look anywhere near human! ducks and runs Well, that is what the fundies are saying! Yup, just saw that as a comment over at bt.no, the city paper from where I first got the news. "This can't be our descendent because it doesn't look human". I call appeal to incredulity.

20th May 2009, 03:02 PM	#13
John Jones Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 3,703	Originally Posted by Manning I presume you are being ironic...? Even a diehard anti-evolutionist would not make such a logically flawed statement. They do it all the time.
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20th May 2009, 03:04 PM	#14
John Jones Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 3,703	Originally Posted by Eos of the Eons Pfft. It's not a missing link cuz it doesn't look anywhere near human! ducks and runs Well, that is what the fundies are saying! Trait? What's a trait??? budddabum. One of them on another board where I post said: "How can it be a missing link when its tail is longer than its body?"
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