Dumbmactic Duo: Kevin Trudeau and Alex Jones

Steelmage · 28th May 2009, 02:08 PM

Just when you think things could not get more better for the kooks, they go up one level.

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dudalb · 28th May 2009, 02:47 PM

I can't load the you tube film, but if those two are together I will predict a perfect storm of stupidity and craziness.

Steelmage · 28th May 2009, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

I can't load the you tube film, but if those two are together I will predict a perfect storm of stupidity and craziness.

I am not having a problem with my browser.
But here is the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejbBJfk61mY

Ohnoes · 28th May 2009, 04:23 PM

You know I think it's funny how he happened to bring up that he made 400 million dollars.

Isn't this the same guy that said if you eat 500 calories a day you will lose weight?

dudalb · 28th May 2009, 04:29 PM

I have a special hatred for Kevin Trudeau.
People have probably died because of his "you can cure cancer with ground up coral" advice.
Trudeau is an unusually dangerous quack, and laws need to be tightened up about what constitutes practicing medicine without a licence to keep him from peddling his snake oil.

Steelmage · 28th May 2009, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by Ohnoes

You know I think it's funny how he happened to bring up that he made 400 million dollars.

Isn't this the same guy that said if you eat 500 calories a day you will lose weight?

Which is technically true, but it is not healthy and you may not survive the diet.

Ohnoes · 28th May 2009, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by Steelmage

Which is technically true, but it is not healthy and you may not survive the diet.

Oh..I agree. It is way unhealthy! I am currently dieting and have lost about 15 pounds and my calorie intake is around 1500. I still have a soft drink daily and a snack every now and then. It is really about commitment, there is no easy way.

As for the cancer stuff...As a survivor I will gladly tell Mr. Trudeau that he is full of it. They told me the side effects of the chemo and meds and honestly I have been around for 20 years since, so I guess it all worked out huh?

dudalb · 28th May 2009, 05:16 PM

Not to mention that Trudeau was convicted of fraud back in the 1990's'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Trudeau

And this con man is the kind of guy that Jones promotes. Nice.

Steelmage · 28th May 2009, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Not to mention that Trudeau was convicted of fraud back in the 1990's'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Trudeau

And this con man is the kind of guy that Jones promotes. Nice.

Well, birds of a feather, flock together. Hadn't you guys at JREF said that Jones himself is a con-man. It is sort of a con-man "you rub my back and I will rub your back". Both men always tried to find an opportunity to exploit other people lack of knowledge and promote their shoddy products, except Trudeau is making more money at it.

Alareth · 28th May 2009, 07:27 PM

I just can't wait for the new book and infomercial, "NWO Secrets They Don't Want You Know About."

16.5 · 28th May 2009, 09:00 PM

Wow, I thought that Jones hit the bottom, but someone threw him a shovel, and now he is digging.

Trudeau is a fraud and Jones is a whore.

Eddie Dane · 29th May 2009, 04:41 AM

Did that Natural Cures book actually top the charts for weeks?

Please say no.

Drudgewire · 29th May 2009, 05:18 AM

Originally Posted by Steelmage

Both men always tried to find an opportunity to exploit other people lack of knowledge and promote their shoddy products, except Trudeau is making more money at it.

In addition to Trudeau's books themselves being dangerous, he's also scamming those who order from the infomercial in another way:

862 complaints

Most of those are from people who were automatically subscribed to his newsletter and/or website for $10 a month and can not unsubscribe regardless of how hard they try.

That he's so brazen about it and continues to get away with it despite the terms of his previous conviction makes him a unique brand of con artist.

dudalb · 29th May 2009, 11:33 AM

Treadeau has pretty much moved his activities to the internet, since the Feds finally found grounds to ban him from television.

Drudgewire · 29th May 2009, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Treadeau has pretty much moved his activities to the internet, since the Feds finally found grounds to ban him from television.

I must've seen his infomercials being shown at least ten times while channel surfing last weekend.

Macgyver1968 · 29th May 2009, 12:13 PM

Wow...just read the wiki on that guy...has he ever run a legit business?

dudalb · 29th May 2009, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by Drudgewire

I must've seen his infomercials being shown at least ten times while channel surfing last weekend.

The Wikipedia article states:

Quote:

On August 7, 2008, Judge Gettleman issued an order that Trudeau was not to appear in infomercials for three years from the date of the order, and was to pay a penalty of $5,173,000, an estimate of the royalties received from the weight loss book.[27][28] On November 4, 2008, Judge Gettleman amended the judgment to $37,616,161, the amount consumers paid in response to the deceptive infomercials. The court denied Trudeau’s request to reconsider or stay this ruling on December 11 of the same year.[8]

I guess he found a loophole for infomercials he made BEFORE the court judgement. I wish to heaven they would find a way to keep him off the air entirely.

dudalb · 29th May 2009, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by Macgyver1968

Wow...just read the wiki on that guy...has he ever run a legit business?

His Pool (the game) venture sounds the closest, but I would demand a third party examine the balls used in the game to see they are not "shaved" before I would put up the money to play in one of his tourneys.

dudalb · 29th May 2009, 12:43 PM

Trudeau on the Medical Profession:

Quote:

One common criticism by consumer groups is that Trudeau has had no medical training. Trudeau responds that by not having such training, he is not biased towards pharmaceutical companies and the FDA, and that medical doctors "are taught only how to write out prescriptions" for "poisons" and "cut out pieces of a person's anatomy." .

I have not seen trying to make ignorance a virtue like that for a long,long,time.
God, I hate this guy.

Drudgewire · 29th May 2009, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

God, I hate this guy.

"Despise" "detest" and "loathe" would also cover it for me.

Macgyver1968 · 29th May 2009, 12:57 PM

I'm wondering who "they" are in his books titles.

This guy is sleazier than a $5 dock whore.

Drudgewire · 29th May 2009, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by Macgyver1968

I'm wondering who "they" are in his books titles.

The ultimate evil:

Disney.

dudalb · 29th May 2009, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by Macgyver1968

I'm wondering who "they" are in his books titles.

This guy is sleazier than a $5 dock whore.

I protest. That is grossly unfair to $5 dock whores.

TheDaver · 29th May 2009, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by Macgyver1968

I'm wondering who "they" are in his books titles.

This guy is sleazier than a $5 dock whore.

Rule #1 of commercial conspiracy theories is to be so vague as to be irrefutable.

portlandatheist · 29th May 2009, 02:00 PM

The reality that these two cracker jacks are able to walk the streets in relative peace is absolute proof that there is no NWO

Steelmage · 29th May 2009, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by Macgyver1968

I'm wondering who "they" are in his books titles.

This guy is sleazier than a $5 dock whore.

It is the same "they" that kills Kenny on South Park.

Steelmage · 29th May 2009, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by portlandatheist

The reality that these two cracker jacks are able to walk the streets in relative peace is absolute proof that there is no NWO

No, they aren't, they keep getting harrass by MIB making them offers to join the NWO.

But being the honest citizens that they are (trying to keep straight face), they always refuse.

Klimax · 30th May 2009, 01:07 AM

Originally Posted by Steelmage

No, they aren't, they keep getting harrass by MIB making them offers to join the NWO.

But being the honest citizens that they are (trying to keep straight face), they always refuse.

You should have put up warning...

JimBenArm · 30th May 2009, 10:33 AM

I wonder if there is any way to enact a lifetime ban of this sleazebag from ever using any form of mainstream medical treatment.

You know, the whole "goose/gander" thing.

Klimax · 30th May 2009, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by JimBenArm

I wonder if there is any way to enact a lifetime ban of this sleazebag from ever using any form of mainstream medical treatment.

You know, the whole "goose/gander" thing.

Wouldn't that be considered torture?

JimBenArm · 30th May 2009, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by Klimax

Wouldn't that be considered torture?

No, since it's not an actual human that we're doing it to...

TheDaver · 30th May 2009, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by JimBenArm

I wonder if there is any way to enact a lifetime ban of this sleazebag from ever using any form of mainstream medical treatment.

You know, the whole "goose/gander" thing.

Funny thing is, his supporters would almost certainly complain, creating a fine example of cognitive dissonance.

Klimax · 30th May 2009, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by JimBenArm

No, since it's not an actual human that we're doing it to...

True and you would even save something...

dudalb · 30th May 2009, 12:39 PM

Seriously, we need to define practicing medicine without a licence more carefully to get the hucksters like Trudeau off the air.

Klimax · 30th May 2009, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Seriously, we need to define practicing medicine without a licence more carefully to get the hucksters like Trudeau off the air.

And may be some compensations,although that might be reward of idiocy.

28th May 2009, 03:10 PM	#3
Steelmage Muse Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 630	Originally Posted by dudalb I can't load the you tube film, but if those two are together I will predict a perfect storm of stupidity and craziness. I am not having a problem with my browser. But here is the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejbBJfk61mY
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28th May 2009, 04:23 PM	#4
Ohnoes Critical Thinker Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 274	You know I think it's funny how he happened to bring up that he made 400 million dollars. Isn't this the same guy that said if you eat 500 calories a day you will lose weight?
Ohnoes Critical Thinker Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 274

28th May 2009, 04:44 PM	#6
Steelmage Muse Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 630	Originally Posted by Ohnoes You know I think it's funny how he happened to bring up that he made 400 million dollars. Isn't this the same guy that said if you eat 500 calories a day you will lose weight? Which is technically true, but it is not healthy and you may not survive the diet.
	__________________ Anything makes sense as long as you do not think about it. -Steelmage It is better to want what you can't have then to have what you don't want. -Denny Crane, Boston Legal

28th May 2009, 04:59 PM	#7
Ohnoes Critical Thinker Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 274	Originally Posted by Steelmage Which is technically true, but it is not healthy and you may not survive the diet. Oh..I agree. It is way unhealthy! I am currently dieting and have lost about 15 pounds and my calorie intake is around 1500. I still have a soft drink daily and a snack every now and then. It is really about commitment, there is no easy way. As for the cancer stuff...As a survivor I will gladly tell Mr. Trudeau that he is full of it. They told me the side effects of the chemo and meds and honestly I have been around for 20 years since, so I guess it all worked out huh?
Ohnoes Critical Thinker Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 274

28th May 2009, 06:47 PM	#9
Steelmage Muse Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 630	Originally Posted by dudalb Not to mention that Trudeau was convicted of fraud back in the 1990's' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Trudeau And this con man is the kind of guy that Jones promotes. Nice. Well, birds of a feather, flock together. Hadn't you guys at JREF said that Jones himself is a con-man. It is sort of a con-man "you rub my back and I will rub your back". Both men always tried to find an opportunity to exploit other people lack of knowledge and promote their shoddy products, except Trudeau is making more money at it.
	__________________ Anything makes sense as long as you do not think about it. -Steelmage It is better to want what you can't have then to have what you don't want. -Denny Crane, Boston Legal

28th May 2009, 02:47 PM	#2
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 22,848	I can't load the you tube film, but if those two are together I will predict a perfect storm of stupidity and craziness.

28th May 2009, 04:29 PM	#5
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 22,848	I have a special hatred for Kevin Trudeau. People have probably died because of his "you can cure cancer with ground up coral" advice. Trudeau is an unusually dangerous quack, and laws need to be tightened up about what constitutes practicing medicine without a licence to keep him from peddling his snake oil.

28th May 2009, 05:16 PM	#8
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 22,848	Not to mention that Trudeau was convicted of fraud back in the 1990's' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Trudeau And this con man is the kind of guy that Jones promotes. Nice.

28th May 2009, 07:27 PM	#10
Alareth Expert Expertologist Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 6,695	I just can't wait for the new book and infomercial, "NWO Secrets They Don't Want You Know About."

28th May 2009, 09:00 PM	#11
16.5 Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 4,827	Wow, I thought that Jones hit the bottom, but someone threw him a shovel, and now he is digging. Trudeau is a fraud and Jones is a whore.
16.5 Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 4,827

29th May 2009, 04:41 AM	#12
Eddie Dane Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,432	Did that Natural Cures book actually top the charts for weeks? Please say no.

29th May 2009, 05:18 AM	#13
Drudgewire Critical Doofus Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 9,434	Originally Posted by Steelmage Both men always tried to find an opportunity to exploit other people lack of knowledge and promote their shoddy products, except Trudeau is making more money at it. In addition to Trudeau's books themselves being dangerous, he's also scamming those who order from the infomercial in another way: 862 complaints Most of those are from people who were automatically subscribed to his newsletter and/or website for $10 a month and can not unsubscribe regardless of how hard they try. That he's so brazen about it and continues to get away with it despite the terms of his previous conviction makes him a unique brand of con artist.
	__________________ "You post a lie, it is proven 100% false, you move the goalposts and post yet another lie and it continues on around till we're back to the original lie as if it will somehow become true if it's re-iterated again. The same misquotes over and over again. The same hindsight bias, appeals to authority, etc." -lapman describing every twoofer on the internet

29th May 2009, 11:33 AM	#14
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 22,848	Treadeau has pretty much moved his activities to the internet, since the Feds finally found grounds to ban him from television.

29th May 2009, 11:41 AM	#15
Drudgewire Critical Doofus Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 9,434	Originally Posted by dudalb Treadeau has pretty much moved his activities to the internet, since the Feds finally found grounds to ban him from television. I must've seen his infomercials being shown at least ten times while channel surfing last weekend.
	__________________ "You post a lie, it is proven 100% false, you move the goalposts and post yet another lie and it continues on around till we're back to the original lie as if it will somehow become true if it's re-iterated again. The same misquotes over and over again. The same hindsight bias, appeals to authority, etc." -lapman describing every twoofer on the internet

29th May 2009, 12:13 PM	#16
Macgyver1968 Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 3,615	Wow...just read the wiki on that guy...has he ever run a legit business?
	__________________ "Fixin' crap that ain't broke."

29th May 2009, 12:37 PM	#17
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 22,848	Originally Posted by Drudgewire I must've seen his infomercials being shown at least ten times while channel surfing last weekend. The Wikipedia article states: Quote: On August 7, 2008, Judge Gettleman issued an order that Trudeau was not to appear in infomercials for three years from the date of the order, and was to pay a penalty of $5,173,000, an estimate of the royalties received from the weight loss book.[27][28] On November 4, 2008, Judge Gettleman amended the judgment to $37,616,161, the amount consumers paid in response to the deceptive infomercials. The court denied Trudeau’s request to reconsider or stay this ruling on December 11 of the same year.[8] I guess he found a loophole for infomercials he made BEFORE the court judgement. I wish to heaven they would find a way to keep him off the air entirely.

29th May 2009, 12:39 PM	#18
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 22,848	Originally Posted by Macgyver1968 Wow...just read the wiki on that guy...has he ever run a legit business? His Pool (the game) venture sounds the closest, but I would demand a third party examine the balls used in the game to see they are not "shaved" before I would put up the money to play in one of his tourneys.

29th May 2009, 12:43 PM	#19
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 22,848	Trudeau on the Medical Profession: Quote: One common criticism by consumer groups is that Trudeau has had no medical training. Trudeau responds that by not having such training, he is not biased towards pharmaceutical companies and the FDA, and that medical doctors "are taught only how to write out prescriptions" for "poisons" and "cut out pieces of a person's anatomy." . I have not seen trying to make ignorance a virtue like that for a long,long,time. God, I hate this guy.

29th May 2009, 12:46 PM	#20
Drudgewire Critical Doofus Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 9,434	Originally Posted by dudalb God, I hate this guy. "Despise" "detest" and "loathe" would also cover it for me.
	__________________ "You post a lie, it is proven 100% false, you move the goalposts and post yet another lie and it continues on around till we're back to the original lie as if it will somehow become true if it's re-iterated again. The same misquotes over and over again. The same hindsight bias, appeals to authority, etc." -lapman describing every twoofer on the internet

29th May 2009, 12:57 PM	#21
Macgyver1968 Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 3,615	I'm wondering who "they" are in his books titles. This guy is sleazier than a $5 dock whore.
	__________________ "Fixin' crap that ain't broke."

29th May 2009, 12:58 PM	#22
Drudgewire Critical Doofus Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 9,434	Originally Posted by Macgyver1968 I'm wondering who "they" are in his books titles. The ultimate evil: Disney.
	__________________ "You post a lie, it is proven 100% false, you move the goalposts and post yet another lie and it continues on around till we're back to the original lie as if it will somehow become true if it's re-iterated again. The same misquotes over and over again. The same hindsight bias, appeals to authority, etc." -lapman describing every twoofer on the internet

29th May 2009, 01:42 PM	#23
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 22,848	Originally Posted by Macgyver1968 I'm wondering who "they" are in his books titles. This guy is sleazier than a $5 dock whore. I protest. That is grossly unfair to $5 dock whores.

29th May 2009, 01:52 PM	#24
TheDaver hairy farting brute Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Montréal Posts: 972	Originally Posted by Macgyver1968 I'm wondering who "they" are in his books titles. This guy is sleazier than a $5 dock whore. Rule #1 of commercial conspiracy theories is to be so vague as to be irrefutable.

29th May 2009, 02:00 PM	#25
portlandatheist Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,111	The reality that these two cracker jacks are able to walk the streets in relative peace is absolute proof that there is no NWO

29th May 2009, 04:34 PM	#26
Steelmage Muse Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 630	Originally Posted by Macgyver1968 I'm wondering who "they" are in his books titles. This guy is sleazier than a $5 dock whore. It is the same "they" that kills Kenny on South Park.
	__________________ Anything makes sense as long as you do not think about it. -Steelmage It is better to want what you can't have then to have what you don't want. -Denny Crane, Boston Legal

29th May 2009, 04:37 PM	#27
Steelmage Muse Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 630	Originally Posted by portlandatheist The reality that these two cracker jacks are able to walk the streets in relative peace is absolute proof that there is no NWO No, they aren't, they keep getting harrass by MIB making them offers to join the NWO. But being the honest citizens that they are (trying to keep straight face), they always refuse.
	__________________ Anything makes sense as long as you do not think about it. -Steelmage It is better to want what you can't have then to have what you don't want. -Denny Crane, Boston Legal

30th May 2009, 01:07 AM	#28
Klimax NWO cyborg (3930K inside) Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Starship Wanderer - DS9 Posts: 7,897	Originally Posted by Steelmage No, they aren't, they keep getting harrass by MIB making them offers to join the NWO. But being the honest citizens that they are (trying to keep straight face), they always refuse. You should have put up warning...
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30th May 2009, 10:33 AM	#29
JimBenArm Based on a true story! Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 12,985	I wonder if there is any way to enact a lifetime ban of this sleazebag from ever using any form of mainstream medical treatment. You know, the whole "goose/gander" thing.
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30th May 2009, 10:55 AM	#30
Klimax NWO cyborg (3930K inside) Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Starship Wanderer - DS9 Posts: 7,897	Originally Posted by JimBenArm I wonder if there is any way to enact a lifetime ban of this sleazebag from ever using any form of mainstream medical treatment. You know, the whole "goose/gander" thing. Wouldn't that be considered torture?
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30th May 2009, 11:17 AM	#31
JimBenArm Based on a true story! Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 12,985	Originally Posted by Klimax Wouldn't that be considered torture? No, since it's not an actual human that we're doing it to...
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30th May 2009, 11:25 AM	#32
TheDaver hairy farting brute Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Montréal Posts: 972	Originally Posted by JimBenArm I wonder if there is any way to enact a lifetime ban of this sleazebag from ever using any form of mainstream medical treatment. You know, the whole "goose/gander" thing. Funny thing is, his supporters would almost certainly complain, creating a fine example of cognitive dissonance.

30th May 2009, 11:26 AM	#33
Klimax NWO cyborg (3930K inside) Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Starship Wanderer - DS9 Posts: 7,897	Originally Posted by JimBenArm No, since it's not an actual human that we're doing it to... True and you would even save something...
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30th May 2009, 12:39 PM	#34
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 22,848	Seriously, we need to define practicing medicine without a licence more carefully to get the hucksters like Trudeau off the air.

30th May 2009, 01:03 PM	#35
Klimax NWO cyborg (3930K inside) Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Starship Wanderer - DS9 Posts: 7,897	Originally Posted by dudalb Seriously, we need to define practicing medicine without a licence more carefully to get the hucksters like Trudeau off the air. And may be some compensations,although that might be reward of idiocy.
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