New XBOX tech "Project Natal" covertly funded by CIA/FBI

Praktik · 5th June 2009, 09:22 AM

So on another board there are ongoing and raging debates over vaccines, 9/11, masons, chemtrails, energy healing, and a whole host of other stuff, with me and a few others lined up against a few hardcore CTers who literally haven't found a conspiracy they didn't find credible yet.

One of the guys who's often on "my side" is slightly woo - but not all that much really - still sometimes he slips.

You may have been following E3 and seen this:

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/live/projectnatal/default.htm

it can not only listen, but also watch, it has microphones specifically to know who is talking to it, it has sensors and cameras so it can scan your body and actually follow all your body movements...

Big Brother in your Xbox? My friend theorized the following:

What i wouldn't be surprised about, is if the CIA or FBI actually subsidize the cost of every Project Natal sold, so maybe $200 of each Natal sold is paid for by the government...

And from that another installment in the woo/anti-woo debates began, with the hard-core woo'ers of course finding this instantly credible, and myself and one other finding the assertion a little wanting in the credibility department.

Among the rationales for the big brother analysis:

i don't see warrantless xbox tapping in any way compareable to something impossible.. If they already have warrantless wiretapping, it is not a far stretch of the imagination at all..
Umm... How about... "we can see into everyone's house, scan their bodies, analyze their voice and watch them at any time we choose"... Yep. I don't think the CIA or FBI would be interested in anything like that.
You're talking about an agency that once thought sending an explosive cigar to Castro would be in the best interest of national security.
I'm not saying it's definitely happening.. But i know there is some sort of connection between microsoft's xbox tech and the military. The controllers for their drone planes look almost identical to the xbox controller!
Maybe all they did was sell the technology to Microsoft very covertly for a good price.. I don't know.. All i'm saying is that i wouldn't be surprised if the CIA or FBI had a hand in it.. Maybe even the Communists' agencies. The communists were the first to hack Skype after all (or at least, the first to admit to hacking skype).

What I find most frustrating about these debates is the "connect the dots" approach: the utility of this info is marginal, but the agencies in question have done tons of stuff of marginal utility before like creating exploding cigars and attaching surveillance equipment to a cat; the military is using a similar controller to an xbox to pilot drones; etc etc.

While the originator of these thoughts has admitted that its all speculation, it has a high degree of plausibility for him - though on my end I'm wracking my brain trying to figure out just what utility ANY of the information being sent with this technology would be to ANY agency.

Drudgewire · 5th June 2009, 09:29 AM

Quote:

[*]Umm... How about... "we can see into everyone's house, scan their bodies, analyze their voice and watch them at any time we choose"... Yep. I don't think the CIA or FBI would be interested in anything like that.

Just put the bong BEHIND your X-Box before you start playing.

DC · 5th June 2009, 09:32 AM

Originally Posted by Drudgewire

Just put the bong BEHIND your X-Box before you start playing.

lol

dudalb · 5th June 2009, 10:25 AM

It's a conspriacy to show all the geeks of the world how really uncooridanted and clumsy they are. We were talking about NATAL at the Society for Creative Anarchronism fighter practice I was at last night, and we agreed that a lot of people are going to find out that handling a sword with a game controllers in a RPG and handling one depending on real muscle control and coordination are two different things.

Horatius · 5th June 2009, 10:43 AM

Why would the CIA sponsor a Big Brother Technology that could be completely defeated by unplugging it?

"Go ahead, monitor me only while I have my game plugged in. You'll get a few hours of me sitting on the couch killing zombies."

Praktik · 5th June 2009, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by Horatius

Why would the CIA sponsor a Big Brother Technology that could be completely defeated by unplugging it?

"Go ahead, monitor me only while I have my game plugged in. You'll get a few hours of me sitting on the couch killing zombies."

Dude. They made an exploding CIGAR!!

Connect the dots! THey do stupid stuff all the time!

Horatius · 5th June 2009, 12:48 PM

So then, why are they considered a threat?

sadhatter · 5th June 2009, 04:52 PM

Ct's Boiled down to a short statement.

If i don't know about a subject than nobody does. And anyone saying they know more than me is lying or evil.

ktesibios · 5th June 2009, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by Praktik

Dude. They made an exploding CIGAR!!

Connect the dots! THey do stupid stuff all the time!

Reminds me of an occasion when I sat through a long rant by an "activist" acquaintance which boiled down to "CIA this, CIA that, CIA de odder ting".
When I finally had the chance to get a word in edgewise I said:

Originally Posted by me

You do understand that the unstoppable engine of evil you've been on about for the last five minutes is the same agency that wasted its time trying and failing to make Fidel Castro's beard fall out?

Naturally it had no effect on my interlocutor but it did get the most laffs of anything said that evening.

Rogue1stclass · 5th June 2009, 09:58 PM

Obviously the CIA is going to use the Natal to monitor the creepy gamer types who play online. They are really the only people it will effect since I don't think most people even bother with having their Xbox connected unless they are specifically doing something online.

And good for the CIA. Those people need watchin'.

sadhatter · 5th June 2009, 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by Rogue1stclass

Obviously the CIA is going to use the Natal to monitor the creepy gamer types who play online. They are really the only people it will effect since I don't think most people even bother with having their Xbox connected unless they are specifically doing something online.

And good for the CIA. Those people need watchin'.

WEll the type that play online games on a constant basis ( me being one of) is the same type that the CT'ers go for, so that is what the evil machine of the week is going after.

Sigh.

Bobert · 5th June 2009, 11:37 PM

They sent a download of NATAL do my XBOX.
The video looked REALLY COOL!
The weird thing was that at the end of the video I noticed that I was kneeling before a self made alter with a picture of Obama and I was eating a lizard.
Do you think that this is odd?

Rogue1stclass · 5th June 2009, 11:49 PM

In my house, the lizard eats you.

Seriously, he's like 4 feet long, lives in the bathroom, and sometimes mistakes fingers and toes for shrimp.

I'll stay away from that demo.

Horatius · 6th June 2009, 05:58 AM

Originally Posted by Rogue1stclass

Obviously the CIA is going to use the Natal to monitor the creepy gamer types who play online. They are really the only people it will effect since I don't think most people even bother with having their Xbox connected unless they are specifically doing something online.

And good for the CIA. Those people need watchin'.

Oi, I've sussed it!

This is a product of the NWO - but it's intended to neutralize the CIA, not help them!

Imagine how many agents they would need to monitor all those slacker gamers - then imagine exactly how unpopular that duty would be. We'd have thousands of experienced agents quitting as soon as physically possible. Once word got out that 90%+ of their agents spent all day looking at slobs on couches playing CoD4, their recruitment rate would drop through the floor!

So, clearly, the NWO considers the CIA to be a threat!

Macgyver1968 · 6th June 2009, 06:21 AM

Well...I hope the CIA put extra cooling fans in these big brother Xbox's. Geez..you know how they overheat. I wonder what the CIA does when they get the "red rings of death"

Alareth · 6th June 2009, 11:34 AM

If we can link NATAL to DARPA somehow I'm sure INRM will get right to the bottom of all this.

ihaunter · 6th June 2009, 11:59 AM

Overheating? You actually believe that overheating causes the red ring of death? Early 360s were actually impervious to the CIAs attempt to gain complete access to, so they created a virus that causes the Xbox to die so that you have to replace it with a newer device that they have already gained access to.

Spying on people sitting in front of their TV? You could get pretty much the same footage by buying "Married... with Children" dvds.

Horatius · 6th June 2009, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by ihaunter

Spying on people sitting in front of their TV? You could get pretty much the same footage by buying "Married... with Children" dvds.

But the hand in the pants usually moves more....

JoeyDonuts · 6th June 2009, 08:42 PM

So that's why my X360 got two red lights and then tanked. I was getting too close to the truth! It's like Sandra Bullock in "The Net!"

Except...not.

Travis · 7th June 2009, 04:02 AM

"Jabal, let's totally play Madden 09 while we discuss blowing up the Port Authority Bus Terminal."

In in a world in which the preceding happens this might be useful to the CIA/FBI.

Donal · 7th June 2009, 11:52 AM

If the CIA really wants to observe me while I play XBox, they should be aware that I do so in various states of undress.

Hope they enjoy the show.

Bobert · 8th June 2009, 05:18 PM

I once tried to use my controller with my....errr well maybe I shouldnt share that.

INRM · 9th June 2009, 10:19 AM

Well, if it could be tapped you could probably gather a lot of information on individuals...

If it's true, but who knows. After all the CIA did try and assassinate Castro with an explosive cigar...

INRM

Donal · 9th June 2009, 10:59 AM

Not too much info about me on XBL that isn't already out there. All you would really learn is how much I curse while trying to hijack the Russian tanker in Splinter Cell: Double Agent.

And that I really such at videogames.

From a tech standpoint, it would probably be easier than wiretapping the phones. It is all controlled from a central location.

The big question is: Why?

Microsoft claims 17 million XBL subscribers. OK, that is impressive. But, how many of those are the old XBox and how many are 360 users? Now, how many are actually going to get the Natal?

Bobert · 9th June 2009, 02:58 PM

hmmmm why wouldnt they just send out a simple software update that could collect data on you secretly?
I would imagine that this would be possible although I dont believe it would ever be done.
Plus NATAL is bound to be pricey so not everyone will get it.

Horatius · 9th June 2009, 06:53 PM

Originally Posted by Bobert

hmmmm why wouldnt they just send out a simple software update that could collect data on you secretly?

They don't even need that. as soon as I sing on to Xbox Live, they know who I am, where I am, and what game I'm playing. Heck, XBL has my credit card info, so they could even find out what I've bought lately. They also know which of my friends are online. What more would this give them? A picture of me playing a game that they already know I'm playing?

Rogue1stclass · 9th June 2009, 08:59 PM

The Natal (hope they change that) is going to have motion capture and visual recognition features. This means that to play games on it, you are going to be flailing around like an epileptic monkey.

So, yeah, the CIA is probably going to tap into it. But only because it will be really, really funny.

Hypatia · 10th June 2009, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by Horatius

Why would the CIA sponsor a Big Brother Technology that could be completely defeated by unplugging it?

Distressingly enough, there are conspiracy theorists who believe these technologies work even when turned off or unplugged.

Their "theories" are never falsifiable. That's part of what makes them so insidious.

Horatius · 10th June 2009, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by Hypatia

Distressingly enough, there are conspiracy theorists who believe these technologies work even when turned off or unplugged.

Their "theories" are never falsifiable. That's part of what makes them so insidious.

"Turned off", I could understand (look into "always on" technology, that makes things like remote controls useful), but, "unplugged" is unplugged....

INRM · 12th June 2009, 11:42 AM

Horatius,

Quote:

"Turned off", I could understand (look into "always on" technology, that makes things like remote controls useful), but, "unplugged" is unplugged....

I suppose it is hypothetically possible to have a small battery supply onboard so it could be activated in the event of a person pulling the plug.

But there is no evidence to suggest this...

Horatius · 12th June 2009, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by INRM

Horatius,

I suppose it is hypothetically possible to have a small battery supply onboard so it could be activated in the event of a person pulling the plug.

But there is no evidence to suggest this...

But pulling the plug applies to more than just the power. I can also unplug it's connection to the Internet, which would stifle their efforts just as well.

Drudgewire · 12th June 2009, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by Horatius

But pulling the plug applies to more than just the power. I can also unplug it's connection to the Internet, which would stifle their efforts just as well.

Not to mention there's a whole slew of people who buy these things and take them apart. Kind of hard to hide that technology.

Horatius · 12th June 2009, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by Drudgewire

Not to mention there's a whole slew of people who buy these things and take them apart. Kind of hard to hide that technology.

There's no way the "sheeple" could be that inquisitive. I shall have to assume you're lying, rather than re-evaluate the concept of "sheeple".

Klimax · 13th June 2009, 04:19 AM

Originally Posted by Horatius

There's no way the "sheeple" could be that inquisitive. I shall have to assume you're lying, rather than re-evaluate the concept of "sheeple".

You'll have to as I am thinking about purchasing first console in my life,because I am truly curious what chips are inside...

(Yes,the only console-like computer I have is Commodore 64)

dudalb · 13th June 2009, 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by Drudgewire

Not to mention there's a whole slew of people who buy these things and take them apart. Kind of hard to hide that technology.

Really,tinkering with your computer and/or gaming maching has replaced tinkering with your automobile as a great American pastime for males.

5th June 2009, 09:22 AM	#1
Praktik Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Tee Dot Posts: 4,241	New XBOX tech "Project Natal" covertly funded by CIA/FBI So on another board there are ongoing and raging debates over vaccines, 9/11, masons, chemtrails, energy healing, and a whole host of other stuff, with me and a few others lined up against a few hardcore CTers who literally haven't found a conspiracy they didn't find credible yet. One of the guys who's often on "my side" is slightly woo - but not all that much really - still sometimes he slips. You may have been following E3 and seen this: http://www.xbox.com/en-US/live/projectnatal/default.htm it can not only listen, but also watch, it has microphones specifically to know who is talking to it, it has sensors and cameras so it can scan your body and actually follow all your body movements... Big Brother in your Xbox? My friend theorized the following: What i wouldn't be surprised about, is if the CIA or FBI actually subsidize the cost of every Project Natal sold, so maybe $200 of each Natal sold is paid for by the government... And from that another installment in the woo/anti-woo debates began, with the hard-core woo'ers of course finding this instantly credible, and myself and one other finding the assertion a little wanting in the credibility department. Among the rationales for the big brother analysis: i don't see warrantless xbox tapping in any way compareable to something impossible.. If they already have warrantless wiretapping, it is not a far stretch of the imagination at all.. Umm... How about... "we can see into everyone's house, scan their bodies, analyze their voice and watch them at any time we choose"... Yep. I don't think the CIA or FBI would be interested in anything like that. You're talking about an agency that once thought sending an explosive cigar to Castro would be in the best interest of national security. I'm not saying it's definitely happening.. But i know there is some sort of connection between microsoft's xbox tech and the military. The controllers for their drone planes look almost identical to the xbox controller! Maybe all they did was sell the technology to Microsoft very covertly for a good price.. I don't know.. All i'm saying is that i wouldn't be surprised if the CIA or FBI had a hand in it.. Maybe even the Communists' agencies. The communists were the first to hack Skype after all (or at least, the first to admit to hacking skype). What I find most frustrating about these debates is the "connect the dots" approach: the utility of this info is marginal, but the agencies in question have done tons of stuff of marginal utility before like creating exploding cigars and attaching surveillance equipment to a cat; the military is using a similar controller to an xbox to pilot drones; etc etc. While the originator of these thoughts has admitted that its all speculation, it has a high degree of plausibility for him - though on my end I'm wracking my brain trying to figure out just what utility ANY of the information being sent with this technology would be to ANY agency.
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5th June 2009, 09:29 AM	#2
Drudgewire Critical Doofus Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 9,434	Quote: [*]Umm... How about... "we can see into everyone's house, scan their bodies, analyze their voice and watch them at any time we choose"... Yep. I don't think the CIA or FBI would be interested in anything like that. Just put the bong BEHIND your X-Box before you start playing.
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5th June 2009, 09:32 AM	#3
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5th June 2009, 10:43 AM	#5
Horatius NWO Kitty Wrangler Join Date: May 2006 Location: Ottawa, ON, Canada Posts: 21,883	Why would the CIA sponsor a Big Brother Technology that could be completely defeated by unplugging it? "Go ahead, monitor me only while I have my game plugged in. You'll get a few hours of me sitting on the couch killing zombies."
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5th June 2009, 12:14 PM	#6
Praktik Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Tee Dot Posts: 4,241	Originally Posted by Horatius Why would the CIA sponsor a Big Brother Technology that could be completely defeated by unplugging it? "Go ahead, monitor me only while I have my game plugged in. You'll get a few hours of me sitting on the couch killing zombies." Dude. They made an exploding CIGAR!! Connect the dots! THey do stupid stuff all the time!
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5th June 2009, 10:25 AM	#4
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 22,782	It's a conspriacy to show all the geeks of the world how really uncooridanted and clumsy they are. We were talking about NATAL at the Society for Creative Anarchronism fighter practice I was at last night, and we agreed that a lot of people are going to find out that handling a sword with a game controllers in a RPG and handling one depending on real muscle control and coordination are two different things.

5th June 2009, 12:48 PM	#7
Horatius NWO Kitty Wrangler Join Date: May 2006 Location: Ottawa, ON, Canada Posts: 21,883	So then, why are they considered a threat?
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5th June 2009, 04:52 PM	#8
sadhatter Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 5,743	Ct's Boiled down to a short statement. If i don't know about a subject than nobody does. And anyone saying they know more than me is lying or evil.
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5th June 2009, 07:07 PM	#9
ktesibios Worthless Aging Hippie Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,493	Originally Posted by Praktik Dude. They made an exploding CIGAR!! Connect the dots! THey do stupid stuff all the time! Reminds me of an occasion when I sat through a long rant by an "activist" acquaintance which boiled down to "CIA this, CIA that, CIA de odder ting". When I finally had the chance to get a word in edgewise I said: Originally Posted by me You do understand that the unstoppable engine of evil you've been on about for the last five minutes is the same agency that wasted its time trying and failing to make Fidel Castro's beard fall out? Naturally it had no effect on my interlocutor but it did get the most laffs of anything said that evening.
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5th June 2009, 09:58 PM	#10
Rogue1stclass Muse Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 842	Obviously the CIA is going to use the Natal to monitor the creepy gamer types who play online. They are really the only people it will effect since I don't think most people even bother with having their Xbox connected unless they are specifically doing something online. And good for the CIA. Those people need watchin'.
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5th June 2009, 10:13 PM	#11
sadhatter Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 5,743	Originally Posted by Rogue1stclass Obviously the CIA is going to use the Natal to monitor the creepy gamer types who play online. They are really the only people it will effect since I don't think most people even bother with having their Xbox connected unless they are specifically doing something online. And good for the CIA. Those people need watchin'. WEll the type that play online games on a constant basis ( me being one of) is the same type that the CT'ers go for, so that is what the evil machine of the week is going after. Sigh.
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5th June 2009, 11:37 PM	#12
Bobert Government Loyalist Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Kennesaw GA Posts: 4,146	They sent a download of NATAL do my XBOX. The video looked REALLY COOL! The weird thing was that at the end of the video I noticed that I was kneeling before a self made alter with a picture of Obama and I was eating a lizard. Do you think that this is odd?
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5th June 2009, 11:49 PM	#13
Rogue1stclass Muse Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 842	In my house, the lizard eats you. Seriously, he's like 4 feet long, lives in the bathroom, and sometimes mistakes fingers and toes for shrimp. I'll stay away from that demo.
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6th June 2009, 05:58 AM	#14
Horatius NWO Kitty Wrangler Join Date: May 2006 Location: Ottawa, ON, Canada Posts: 21,883	Originally Posted by Rogue1stclass Obviously the CIA is going to use the Natal to monitor the creepy gamer types who play online. They are really the only people it will effect since I don't think most people even bother with having their Xbox connected unless they are specifically doing something online. And good for the CIA. Those people need watchin'. Oi, I've sussed it! This is a product of the NWO - but it's intended to neutralize the CIA, not help them! Imagine how many agents they would need to monitor all those slacker gamers - then imagine exactly how unpopular that duty would be. We'd have thousands of experienced agents quitting as soon as physically possible. Once word got out that 90%+ of their agents spent all day looking at slobs on couches playing CoD4, their recruitment rate would drop through the floor! So, clearly, the NWO considers the CIA to be a threat!
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6th June 2009, 06:21 AM	#15
Macgyver1968 Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 3,607	Well...I hope the CIA put extra cooling fans in these big brother Xbox's. Geez..you know how they overheat. I wonder what the CIA does when they get the "red rings of death"
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6th June 2009, 11:34 AM	#16
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6th June 2009, 11:59 AM	#17
ihaunter Undead Skeptic Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Middle of nowhere, Iowa Posts: 375	Overheating? You actually believe that overheating causes the red ring of death? Early 360s were actually impervious to the CIAs attempt to gain complete access to, so they created a virus that causes the Xbox to die so that you have to replace it with a newer device that they have already gained access to. Spying on people sitting in front of their TV? You could get pretty much the same footage by buying "Married... with Children" dvds.
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6th June 2009, 02:19 PM	#18
Horatius NWO Kitty Wrangler Join Date: May 2006 Location: Ottawa, ON, Canada Posts: 21,883	Originally Posted by ihaunter Spying on people sitting in front of their TV? You could get pretty much the same footage by buying "Married... with Children" dvds. But the hand in the pants usually moves more....
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6th June 2009, 08:42 PM	#19
JoeyDonuts Frequencies Not Known To Normals Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 10,636	So that's why my X360 got two red lights and then tanked. I was getting too close to the truth! It's like Sandra Bullock in "The Net!" Except...not.
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7th June 2009, 04:02 AM	#20
Travis Misanthrope of the Mountains Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Tuolumne City, CA Posts: 17,937	"Jabal, let's totally play Madden 09 while we discuss blowing up the Port Authority Bus Terminal." In in a world in which the preceding happens this might be useful to the CIA/FBI.
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7th June 2009, 11:52 AM	#21
Donal Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NYC Posts: 2,128	If the CIA really wants to observe me while I play XBox, they should be aware that I do so in various states of undress. Hope they enjoy the show.

8th June 2009, 05:18 PM	#22
Bobert Government Loyalist Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Kennesaw GA Posts: 4,146	I once tried to use my controller with my....errr well maybe I shouldnt share that.
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9th June 2009, 10:19 AM	#23
INRM Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 5,490	Well, if it could be tapped you could probably gather a lot of information on individuals... If it's true, but who knows. After all the CIA did try and assassinate Castro with an explosive cigar... INRM
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9th June 2009, 10:59 AM	#24
Donal Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NYC Posts: 2,128	Not too much info about me on XBL that isn't already out there. All you would really learn is how much I curse while trying to hijack the Russian tanker in Splinter Cell: Double Agent. And that I really such at videogames. From a tech standpoint, it would probably be easier than wiretapping the phones. It is all controlled from a central location. The big question is: Why? Microsoft claims 17 million XBL subscribers. OK, that is impressive. But, how many of those are the old XBox and how many are 360 users? Now, how many are actually going to get the Natal?

9th June 2009, 02:58 PM	#25
Bobert Government Loyalist Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Kennesaw GA Posts: 4,146	hmmmm why wouldnt they just send out a simple software update that could collect data on you secretly? I would imagine that this would be possible although I dont believe it would ever be done. Plus NATAL is bound to be pricey so not everyone will get it.
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9th June 2009, 06:53 PM	#26
Horatius NWO Kitty Wrangler Join Date: May 2006 Location: Ottawa, ON, Canada Posts: 21,883	Originally Posted by Bobert hmmmm why wouldnt they just send out a simple software update that could collect data on you secretly? They don't even need that. as soon as I sing on to Xbox Live, they know who I am, where I am, and what game I'm playing. Heck, XBL has my credit card info, so they could even find out what I've bought lately. They also know which of my friends are online. What more would this give them? A picture of me playing a game that they already know I'm playing?
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9th June 2009, 08:59 PM	#27
Rogue1stclass Muse Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 842	The Natal (hope they change that) is going to have motion capture and visual recognition features. This means that to play games on it, you are going to be flailing around like an epileptic monkey. So, yeah, the CIA is probably going to tap into it. But only because it will be really, really funny.
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10th June 2009, 01:19 PM	#28
Hypatia Scholar Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 95	Originally Posted by Horatius Why would the CIA sponsor a Big Brother Technology that could be completely defeated by unplugging it? Distressingly enough, there are conspiracy theorists who believe these technologies work even when turned off or unplugged. Their "theories" are never falsifiable. That's part of what makes them so insidious.
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10th June 2009, 07:42 PM	#29
Horatius NWO Kitty Wrangler Join Date: May 2006 Location: Ottawa, ON, Canada Posts: 21,883	Originally Posted by Hypatia Distressingly enough, there are conspiracy theorists who believe these technologies work even when turned off or unplugged. Their "theories" are never falsifiable. That's part of what makes them so insidious. "Turned off", I could understand (look into "always on" technology, that makes things like remote controls useful), but, "unplugged" is unplugged....
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12th June 2009, 11:42 AM	#30
INRM Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 5,490	Horatius, Quote: "Turned off", I could understand (look into "always on" technology, that makes things like remote controls useful), but, "unplugged" is unplugged.... I suppose it is hypothetically possible to have a small battery supply onboard so it could be activated in the event of a person pulling the plug. But there is no evidence to suggest this...
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12th June 2009, 12:44 PM	#31
Horatius NWO Kitty Wrangler Join Date: May 2006 Location: Ottawa, ON, Canada Posts: 21,883	Originally Posted by INRM Horatius, I suppose it is hypothetically possible to have a small battery supply onboard so it could be activated in the event of a person pulling the plug. But there is no evidence to suggest this... But pulling the plug applies to more than just the power. I can also unplug it's connection to the Internet, which would stifle their efforts just as well.
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12th June 2009, 01:14 PM	#32
Drudgewire Critical Doofus Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 9,434	Originally Posted by Horatius But pulling the plug applies to more than just the power. I can also unplug it's connection to the Internet, which would stifle their efforts just as well. Not to mention there's a whole slew of people who buy these things and take them apart. Kind of hard to hide that technology.
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12th June 2009, 04:10 PM	#33
Horatius NWO Kitty Wrangler Join Date: May 2006 Location: Ottawa, ON, Canada Posts: 21,883	Originally Posted by Drudgewire Not to mention there's a whole slew of people who buy these things and take them apart. Kind of hard to hide that technology. There's no way the "sheeple" could be that inquisitive. I shall have to assume you're lying, rather than re-evaluate the concept of "sheeple".
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13th June 2009, 04:19 AM	#34
Klimax NWO cyborg (3930K inside) Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Starship Wanderer - DS9 Posts: 7,882	Originally Posted by Horatius There's no way the "sheeple" could be that inquisitive. I shall have to assume you're lying, rather than re-evaluate the concept of "sheeple". You'll have to as I am thinking about purchasing first console in my life,because I am truly curious what chips are inside... (Yes,the only console-like computer I have is Commodore 64)
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13th June 2009, 09:58 AM	#35
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 22,782	Originally Posted by Drudgewire Not to mention there's a whole slew of people who buy these things and take them apart. Kind of hard to hide that technology. Really,tinkering with your computer and/or gaming maching has replaced tinkering with your automobile as a great American pastime for males.