Merged: Continuation - 9/11 CT subforum General Discussion Thread

[dafydd]

Originally Posted by Jackanory

Yes. Quantity isnt enough Bill. Quality and credible is the key. Seems Heiwa is the fraud we all new him to be too.

Heiwa,what a jellybrain he was. I wonder what happened to him?

[BStrong]

Originally Posted by seewithyourowneyes

WTC 7 WTC 1&2 all demolished.....all part of a master plan....come on....haters how do you explain WTC 7 falling down....no real fire...not hit by a plane...and crashes down in 6.5 seconds...something is very strange!!

Might want to read up on the subject matter before you go any farther.

[DeathDart]

Originally Posted by ApolloGnomon

Let me get this straight -- you accept the chemistry and thermodynamics of sulfur cooking off the drywall in a reducing-atmosphere slow fire . . . but still manage to twist it into thermite?

No the swiss cheese metal was caused by the drywall.

The people handling that material (under apparent secrecy) came up with the idea of thermite. Thermite best explained the damage to them.

So we have a bunch of people who swear it was thermite, because of the Swiss cheese metal. They are wrong but very persistent.

The FBI may have believed the worst about their boss, and thought it was some secret weapon.

Because nobody is talking to nobody, it doesn't get disproved.

[DeathDart]

Originally Posted by BStrong

Might want to read up on the subject matter before you go any farther.

No physical evidence remains WTC 7, get the people involved in front of a Grand Jury an ask them some questions. The insurance company bought the building so they aren't going to be too helpful, it was just business.

[ApolloGnomon]

Originally Posted by seewithyourowneyes

WTC 7 WTC 1&2 all demolished.....all part of a master plan....come on....haters how do you explain WTC 7 falling down....no real fire...not hit by a plane...and crashes down in 6.5 seconds...something is very strange!!

Name calling will earn you no friends. This ain't that kinda forum. Tone it down and bring a fact or two with you for the conversation and maybe people will engage with you in a constructive manner.

As for "no real fire" and "not hit by a plane" perhaps your conversation requires a new thread. At the Icke forum.

Making bold but unsupported assertions may feel good but it's not intellectual discourse.

[ApolloGnomon]

Originally Posted by DeathDart

No the swiss cheese metal was caused by the drywall.

The people handling that material (under apparent secrecy) came up with the idea of thermite. Thermite best explained the damage to them.

So we have a bunch of people who swear it was thermite, because of the Swiss cheese metal. They are wrong but very persistent.

The FBI may have believed the worst about their boss, and thought it was some secret weapon.

Because nobody is talking to nobody, it doesn't get disproved.

I'm very confused now. Are you asserting that drywall caused corrosion to the structural steel before the collapse? Or after the collapse, during the subsequent fire?

[BStrong]

Originally Posted by DeathDart

No physical evidence remains WTC 7, get the people involved in front of a Grand Jury an ask them some questions. The insurance company bought the building so they aren't going to be too helpful, it was just business.

"No real fires" in WTC 7?

Our new poster isn't too well informed.

[Craig4]

Originally Posted by DeathDart

I must apologize, I had to develop a lot of bad habits, to survive.

You tend to polarize the opposite of the people who are trying to destroy you.

So I am an anti-fascist.

And George W. Bush is a coward. What you saw at the school was him freezing up. Bush went into hiding so that they could stabilize his psyche with psychological support groups to make sure he wouldn't crack.

He knew.

I'm not sure how to tell you this nicely. You're not important enough for anyone to plotting your death over 9/11. The former Bush administration doesn't even know you exist and if they did they wouldn't care. All your talk of bringing them to justice really just shows you don't have an accurate view of your own ability. Even if they were guilty of crimes related to 9/11, you're just no good enough to be the one to bring them in. Sorry but you probably need to come to terms with this.

[Craig4]

Originally Posted by DeathDart

The potential (evidence) was destroyed. If there was anything to find there, it is gone.

You don't waste resources on irrelevant battles. Take the war to where they are the weakest. Get them in front of Grand Juries so they have to swear to a narrative. Take that narrative and pick it apart.

Two can keep a secret, if one is dead.

A lie can work with one person, the more people that have to swear to the same lie, the more inconsistencies will surface.

Your enemy doesn't care about it and probably doesn't know you exist. I'm sure they know there is a crank lobby out there but they don't care about it.

[Craig4]

Originally Posted by seewithyourowneyes

WTC 7 WTC 1&2 all demolished.....all part of a master plan....come on....haters how do you explain WTC 7 falling down....no real fire...not hit by a plane...and crashes down in 6.5 seconds...something is very strange!!

That's nice. Do you have some explosive residue to show us? How about someone who can place people planting explosives in the building prior to the attack? May we see a copy or even some excerpts from this master plan thing you talk about? Who planted the explosives? Who was in on your master plan?

[DeathDart]

Originally Posted by ApolloGnomon

I'm very confused now. Are you asserting that drywall caused corrosion to the structural steel before the collapse? Or after the collapse, during the subsequent fire?

After the collapse, but this was a rare situation. Most fires with gypsum involved, do not create a lot of sulfuric acid because the fires are usually very short. This was different, it my have only took a few days for some of the steel to look pretty bad.

Now the people removing the steel are under some sort of secrecy or legal muzzling. They see the Swiss cheese steel and they also see that the people controlling the site don't like seeing it either.

So the people collecting the steel get the impression that what ever caused the steel to look this way, is a secret.

With no actual information being given to them, they begin to think that someone is hiding something.

The people controlling the site (the FBI) aren't real sure if they are hiding something.

This is like the Lucille Balls I Love Lucy at the Nuclear Reactor Site episode.

Someone comes up with the idea it was some form of experimental thermite.
The idea is wrong but it kind of explains what they are seeing.

Neither the FBI or the people removing the steel is 100% sure what is going on, and they are not sure if they want to know.

[Craig4]

Originally Posted by DeathDart

After the collapse, but this was a rare situation. Most fires with gypsum involved, do not create a lot of sulfuric acid because the fires are usually very short. This was different, it my have only took a few days for some of the steel to look pretty bad.

Now the people removing the steel are under some sort of secrecy or legal muzzling. They see the Swiss cheese steel and they also see that the people controlling the site don't like seeing it either.

So the people collecting the steel get the impression that what ever caused the steel to look this way, is a secret.

With no actual information being given to them, they begin to think that someone is hiding something.

The people controlling the site (the FBI) aren't real sure if they are hiding something.

This is like the Lucille Balls I Love Lucy at the Nuclear Reactor Site episode.

Someone comes up with the idea it was some form of experimental thermite.
The idea is wrong but it kind of explains what they are seeing.

Neither the FBI or the people removing the steel is 100% sure what is going on, and they are not sure if they want to know.

How do you know all this? Show your work.

[DeathDart]

Originally Posted by Craig4

Your enemy doesn't care about it and probably doesn't know you exist. I'm sure they know there is a crank lobby out there but they don't care about it.

I hope you are right, at least until it gets cooler, this body armor is guaranteed to give me a heat stroke.

[Craig4]

Originally Posted by DeathDart

I hope you are right, at least until it gets cooler, this body armor is guaranteed to give me a heat stroke.

You'd have to be taken seriously to be a threat. I assure you that is not happening now nor will it in the future barring some change in both attitude and capability.

[ApolloGnomon]

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Now the people removing the steel are under some sort of secrecy or legal muzzling. They see the Swiss cheese steel and they also see that the people controlling the site don't like seeing it either.

Then how do we know about it?

Gypsum degrading to release sulfur in long duration reduction atmosphere fires has been known about for years. The conditions under which it happens are rare, but it's not some kinda state secret or something.

I'm sure you can provide references for me to read backing your assertion that "people controlling the site" clamped down on the information . . . so could you please? For me? Pretty please?

[DeathDart]

Originally Posted by Craig4

How do you know all this? Show your work.

Its a guess and you are free to pick it apart.

The basic premise is that Brush never shares information unless he has to.

The steel is starting to look bad in days, the more heat and gases, the more acid, the more hydrogen, the more heat. When the original fire material is used up And the temperature under the pile goes down then the reaction stops. Each chemical reaction uses up some of the original energy from the fuel fire as heat. Gypsum is converting energy to Sulfuric Acid. The Sulfuric Acid creates hydrogen when it contacts the steel. After the collapse I would guess that the hydrogen would increase temperatures locally. The heating creates more acid, the acid eats metal and the temperature in small areas goes to the maximum temperature of a hydrogen flame burning in air.

Because Brush hates to give out information the FBI is operating in the dark, they really don't know what to think about the steel so they cover their ass. Rule No 1.

I don't know if they discuss it or send the information upwards. They do know with 100% certainty that a wrong or embarrassing question can end their careers. This is J. Edgar Hoover's FBI, just the way he wanted it, as a tool for political control. Can you tell that I hate the FBI?

So the FBI themselves, are not sure if they are hiding something.

An information vacuum is created, the thermite does explain some of it and it fills the information vacuum. It is NOT correct but it does correlate with what they have seen, and why it is being kept a secret.

It is a feedback loop of noise.

[DeathDart]

Originally Posted by ApolloGnomon

Then how do we know about it?

Gypsum degrading to release sulfur in long duration reduction atmosphere fires has been known about for years. The conditions under which it happens are rare, but it's not some kinda state secret or something.

I'm sure you can provide references for me to read backing your assertion that "people controlling the site" clamped down on the information . . . so could you please? For me? Pretty please?

Most FBI agents do not have a technical background. This phenomena is rare. If you are an agent without a technical background what would you think when you saw the Swiss Cheese metal?

As far as giving, the people doing the removal an impression of clamping down, it could have been as simple as a nondisclosure agreement. Even simple nondisclosure agreements attempt to unconstitutionally prevent the agreement contents from being disclosed. If anything more intimidating happened at the site, you would have to ask the people who did the removal.

FBI agents also like the sunglasses and silence look. (Most of the FBI are cross-eyed)

[DeathDart]

Originally Posted by Craig4

You'd have to be taken seriously to be a threat. I assure you that is not happening now nor will it in the future barring some change in both attitude and capability.

GGRRRrrrr

[ApolloGnomon]

[quote=DeathDart;7430633]Most FBI agents do not have a technical background. This phenomena is rare. If you are an agent without a technical background what would you think when you saw the Swiss Cheese metal?/QUOTE]

In the days after 9/11 before I took the rabbit ears off my tv to prevent exposing my small children to inappropriate visual stimuli I watched quite a bit of the news coverage of the ground zero cleanup. I don't remember there being much FBI presence. Could you point me to your sources indicating a high level of FBI presence in a heavy construction/demolition cleanup environment?

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As far as giving, the people doing the removal an impression of clamping down, it could have been as simple as a nondisclosure agreement. Even simple nondisclosure agreements attempt to unconstitutionally prevent the agreement contents from being disclosed. If anything more intimidating happened at the site, you would have to ask the people who did the removal.

Prove that these cleanup workers were required to sign NDA's. Please.

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FBI agents also like the sunglasses and silence look. (Most of the FBI are cross-eyed)

Oh, now I get it. I've been responding to you thinking you were serious all this time. Ha ha, joke's on me!

[Porkpie Hat]

Originally Posted by DeathDart

Because of the underground fires and the presence of heated gypsum and carbon monoxide substantial quantities of sulfuric acid (potentially several tons) could have formed, etching or dissolving steel nearby.

The sulfuric acid also produces hydrogen which burns with a flame temperature in air of approx 2400C. This can cause steel to melt. But all of this happens AFTER the collapse.

A computer model that was very detailed (lots of samples) that ran well with un-etched steel and that would fail with etched steel would mean that the steel was intact before the collapse. All the visibly damaged (eaten up steel) steel recovered would not mean anything. Especially if the physical survey placed it near an underground fire.

But a computer model this sensitive is only possible, if enough steel is recovered from the impact and fire floors.

The people doing the steel removal probably started freaking out when they saw the acid etched steel and molten steel. They didn't let the researchers have it because they "Taught it was avidence" Say it with a New York Mob voice.

Irony.... I hate irony.

You realise that you,

1) make no sense,

and

2) base everything you say on blind assumptions?

Unless you can show that steel exhibiting the same characteristics as the "sulfidated"? samples was in fact removed and never to be seen again that your entire diatribe is nothing more than a series of disjointed words that lack any impact on real life.

[Porkpie Hat]

Originally Posted by WildCat

Dammit! seewithyourowneyes let the cat out of the bag... someone cut Porkpie Hat a check.

It's about bloody time!

[Porkpie Hat]

Originally Posted by seewithyourowneyes

WTC 7 WTC 1&2 all demolished.....all part of a master plan....come on....haters how do you explain WTC 7 falling down....no real fire...not hit by a plane...and crashes down in 6.5 seconds...something is very strange!!

Indeed.

I suggest you find a new optometrist.

[Sunstealer]

Originally Posted by DeathDart

I will divide it along a couple of lines.

1. The steel shows potential sabotage weakening it. The problem is we can't tell if it happened before or after the collapse.

What is this sabotage you speak of? How is it weakening the steel?

To me it seems that you think the high temperature corrosion seen in some samples, caused by sulphidation and oxidation driven by solid state diffusion, is in some way a sabotage of the steel before collapse.

Originally Posted by DeathDart

2. We have a very detailed starting conditions (Un-etched steel) for running the model. We have a thermal history recorded in the steel. Some of the steel was recovered from areas that the survey reported substantial fires. After compensating, for after collapse heating, the model is correctly set up for the extent and temperature of the fire.

The model repeats or nearly repeats the actions of the buildings as observed. Timing of critical events nearly matches observations. The model is robust and does not require any unusual assumptions.

I'll firstly pull you up on your use of the word "etched". Not sure why you are using that, it has a very specific meaning in metallurgy. http://metals.about.com/od/metallurg...ic-Etching.htm

Yes we have a good basis for models based on the examination of recovered steel.

Originally Posted by DeathDart

3. Had the damage (acid etching) occurred before the collapse, the model does not repeat correctly. Conclusion the damage (acid etching) occurred after the collapse. No sabotage, the plane impact and fires have reasonable probability of being SOLELY responsible for the collapse.

The damage is not acid etching -see above. The mechanism for the corrosion observed is not the standard chemical one, but one based upon solid state diffusion. The problem you have is this type of high temperature corrosion will not erode the required thickness of steel in the timeframe that was seen, i.e. the time between the aircraft crashing into the towers and the collapse.

Originally Posted by DeathDart

4. Information dispels conspiracies, illogical information or actions (like where is the steel)? and excessive secrecy feed conspiracies.

Here is some information for you to understand.

http://www.georgevandervoort.com/fa_...ade_Center.pdf

The steel was examined at various sites. Some of it was marked to be saved so analysis could be performed. How do you think they got the samples for the above report if the steel went missing?

[Sunstealer]

Originally Posted by DeathDart

The fire is not entirely fuel or contents, the aluminum is now burning. This is like the HMS Sheffield. Nano Aluminum and water ice make a fairly good rocket fuel. Aluminum (with enough oxygen) will burn very hot.

May not be relevant to WTC because there is a lack of samples showing the thermal history throughout the area of impact and fire. Your black smoke is not that relevant to the temperature due to the burning aluminum.

HMS Sheffield had a steel superstructure contrary to popular belief There's plenty of info out there.

Aluminium in bulk form is very difficult to ignite. When used as fuel for rocket motors the aluminium is in a powder form which gives a far higher surface area making it easier to ignite and burn.

Eg: take a 1Kg block of Aluminium and heat it with an oxyacetylene torch. It will take a little while to start melting not burning the block.

Now do the same to 1Kg of powdered aluminium - but call the burn's unit first because you'll need them.

[Sunstealer]

Originally Posted by DeathDart

Because of the underground fires and the presence of heated gypsum and carbon monoxide substantial quantities of sulfuric acid (potentially several tons) could have formed, etching or dissolving steel nearby.

The sulfuric acid also produces hydrogen which burns with a flame temperature in air of approx 2400C. This can cause steel to melt. But all of this happens AFTER the collapse.

We don't observe any of the effects you describe in the steel recovered and metallurgically analysed. See the report in the few posts above.

[dafydd]

Originally Posted by Porkpie Hat

Indeed.

I suggest you find a new optometrist.

A psychiatrist would be a good idea too.

[Sunstealer]

Originally Posted by ApolloGnomon

I'm very confused now. Are you asserting that drywall caused corrosion to the structural steel before the collapse? Or after the collapse, during the subsequent fire?

I think he is claiming that when the steel was removed the workers saw huge numbers of steel beams with lots of holes in - "the swiss cheese" effect. The workers went WTF!?, never seen that before, that must have been caused by thermite. Everything was hushed up because of the odd looking steel, but the workers talked and the theory of thermite got out.

He then goes on to say that the swiss cheese effect isn't caused by thermite, but caused by the decomposition of drywall producing SO₂ and the SO2 reacting with water to produce sulphuric acid which then attacked the steel.

He's sort of right with this except that you don't need the additional step of producing the H2SO4. If he understood this report http://www.georgevandervoort.com/fa_...ade_Center.pdf he'd understand that sulphuric acid wasn't the culprit.

[jaydeehess]

Originally Posted by seewithyourowneyes

WTC 7 WTC 1&2 all demolished.....all part of a master plan..

Very nice, begin with a prejudicial conclusion.

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..come on....haters

"How to win friends and influence people" 101

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how do you explain WTC 7 falling down....no real fire...

Incorrect! There were fires on several floors each of which would have been considered major fires on their own.

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not hit by a plane...

Yet for some reason there are other instances of full or partial collapses that also do not involve aircraft crashing into the structure. Go figure....No really go and figure that one out please.

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and crashes down in 6.5 seconds..

Incorrect! The entire collapse took over 16 seconds. Why do idealogues such as yourself often seem to dismiss completely the very obvious internal collapse and only 'count' the collapse of the facade?

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something is very strange!!

I agree, but IMHO its your prejudices and ideology that are 'strange' not the physical destruction of WTC 7(or the other WTC structures, or the Pentagon, just to be clear)

[jaydeehess]

Originally Posted by bill smith

Do you stlll say that we have not gathered enough to justify a new enquiry ?

Given the explanations for the destruction that are available
- the NIST/Bazant and others scenarios in which the very obvious aircraft impacts and jet fuel acellerated large area multifloor fires in the towers, the widespread large area fires in WTC 7 and the aircraft impact at the Pentagon caused the destruction and loss of life of Sept 11/01
- various and sundry hidden from view enormous conspiracies involving, in some cases, unknown technologies (appeal to magic), and/or legerdemain.

I will accept the former.

In short, no you do not have enough evidence to prove something other than 4 suicide hijacker controlled aircraft were the initiating cause of the death and destruction of Sept 11/01.

[DeathDart]

Originally Posted by Sunstealer

I think he is claiming that when the steel was removed the workers saw huge numbers of steel beams with lots of holes in - "the swiss cheese" effect. The workers went WTF!?, never seen that before, that must have been caused by thermite. Everything was hushed up because of the odd looking steel, but the workers talked and the theory of thermite got out.


He's sort of right with this except that you don't need the additional step of producing the H2SO4. If he understood this report http://www.georgevandervoort.com/fa_...ade_Center.pdf he'd understand that sulphuric acid wasn't the culprit.

The report if I understand it correctly suggests a complex environment.
It is attacked by acid, and the the hydrogen that is created burns very close to the sample. Temperature of 950C reached. The flame temperature of hydrogen burning in air is 2200C.
Because of thermal conduction the steel sample moves heat to non-flame exposed areas.
The FeS liquifies and enters the structure of the steel. I guess it was nnear the surface since it would have enough oxygen for the flame and to account for some of the chemical reactions.

This in not inconsistent with exposure to a H2S at a high temperature. The environment seems too hot for Sulfuric Acid to form. It still reacts with the steel, and still produces hydrogen to produce a hot flame.

The second sample has copper mixed in. Either a hot conventional material fire or a hydrogen fed fire may have melted the copper on to the steel.
The molten copper would tend to indicate high temperatures though a low oxygen content. The copper may have melted purely from heat conduction and migrated as a liquid. Just a guess.

It would indicate more H2S gas corrosion than a liquid sulfuric acid attack. The H2S is more mobile and moves as a gas rather than the liquid (and gravity driven) sulfuric acid.

[DeathDart]

Originally Posted by tsig

So George Bush was a total incompetent and an evil genius?

He was a coward and a weak man who wanted power. And no, we wouldn't have allowed him in the Evil Genius Union.

[Sabretooth]

Originally Posted by seewithyourowneyes

WTC 7 WTC 1&2 all demolished.....all part of a master plan....come on....haters how do you explain WTC 7 falling down....no real fire...not hit by a plane...and crashes down in 6.5 seconds...something is very strange!!

Something tells me your not practicing what your handle suggests you preach.

[Sabretooth]

Originally Posted by DeathDart

He was a coward and a weak man who wanted power. And no, we wouldn't have allowed him in the Evil Genius Union.

And, yet, he pulled off the GREATEST CONSPIRACY OF ALL TIME that, 10 years later, still hasn't been exposed.

Yeah, keep banging that drum...

[Animal]

Originally Posted by DeathDart

Just a guess.

That sums up the troofer's claims about everything.

[DeathDart]

Originally Posted by Sabretooth

And, yet, he pulled off the GREATEST CONSPIRACY OF ALL TIME that, 10 years later, still hasn't been exposed.

Yeah, keep banging that drum...

Oh yeah, I reversed the exit port on your light saber, hope you can tie your shoe laces with your teeth.

[beachnut]

Originally Posted by DeathDart

The report if I understand it correctly suggests a complex environment.
It is attacked by acid, and the the hydrogen that is created burns very close to the sample. Temperature of 950C reached. The flame temperature of hydrogen burning in air is 2200C.
Because of thermal conduction the steel sample moves heat to non-flame exposed areas.
The FeS liquifies and enters the structure of the steel. I guess it was nnear the surface since it would have enough oxygen for the flame and to account for some of the chemical reactions.

This in not inconsistent with exposure to a H2S at a high temperature. The environment seems too hot for Sulfuric Acid to form. It still reacts with the steel, and still produces hydrogen to produce a hot flame.

The second sample has copper mixed in. Either a hot conventional material fire or a hydrogen fed fire may have melted the copper on to the steel.
The molten copper would tend to indicate high temperatures though a low oxygen content. The copper may have melted purely from heat conduction and migrated as a liquid. Just a guess.

It would indicate more H2S gas corrosion than a liquid sulfuric acid attack. The H2S is more mobile and moves as a gas rather than the liquid (and gravity driven) sulfuric acid.

What does this mean? You are not a chemical engineer. Better take your nonsense to the fantasy science forum, over yonder.

[DeathDart]

Originally Posted by Sabretooth

And, yet, he pulled off the GREATEST CONSPIRACY OF ALL TIME that, 10 years later, still hasn't been exposed.

Yeah, keep banging that drum...

No, it was exposed. People, for what ever motives chose to protect it. The more that become aware of the conspiracies extents, the weaker it becomes.

The conspiracy became too large and too many members are having doubts. Few of the people aiding the conspiracy have actually committed crimes. They thought this was just politics in the gray areas of the law.

They will be given one chance, a choice to come over to the Jedi, or remain affiliated with the Sith.

When the choice is between acknowledging your mistakes or willingly choosing to be a traitor, it would seem to be an easy decision.

The Conspiracy will succeed or fail by these choices.

How will you choose?

[seewithyourowneyes]

the building turned to dust...no? where did all the energy come from to turn the concrete into dust (ya have any idea how hard it is to do that and the amount of energy that would be required to turn it all into dust) maybe you do.....I do...and there wasn't enough energy left (if you believe the official lie) why...because there is energy required to SEVER all the connection points...by the floors "crashing into each other" hey if you want to believe that fine.....but why wait 411 days to start an investigation???? why??? oh so the people who planned it could make sure all the evidence was cleaned up....(yeah maybe the police should wait 411 days to start an investigation into a murder than you would be sure to gather all the important evidence)

I don't know who some of you are....I could care less unless you speak the truth....and the Truth is Not that 19 Arabs led by a man in a cave 6000 miles away demolished 3 WTC buildings.....where is the plane from flight 93? where is the evidence that a place actually flew into the pentagon? give me a break.....oh I bet you and others get paid to keep the lie going....I bet you believe JFK was shot by oswald too huh? Google Operation Northwoods...read it well see what little sneaks our little secret black op's/cia was doing back then......please jet fuel melting WTC....COME ON WHERE ARE THE PICTUERS OF A RAGING FIRE....IF YOU BELIEVE FIRE BROUGHT WTC 7 DOWN YOU ARE HIGH ON CRACK MY FRIENDS.....CAN YOU SAY DEMOLITION...COME ON DEMO LITION....EASY SOUND IT OUT.....

[DeathDart]

Originally Posted by beachnut

What does this mean? You are not a chemical engineer. Better take your nonsense to the fantasy science forum, over yonder.

I used to read a lot of science fiction, now I have a hard time not shredding the inherent assumptions.

Oh, you are saying that I am illegally in possession of knowledge, which only a knowledge licensed chemical engineer is allowed to possess?

[NoahFence]

Originally Posted by seewithyourowneyes

the building turned to dust...no? where did all the energy come from to turn the concrete into dust (ya have any idea how hard it is to do that and the amount of energy that would be required to turn it all into dust) maybe you do.....I do...and there wasn't enough energy left (if you believe the official lie) why...because there is energy required to SEVER all the connection points...by the floors "crashing into each other" hey if you want to believe that fine.....but why wait 411 days to start an investigation???? why??? oh so the people who planned it could make sure all the evidence was cleaned up....(yeah maybe the police should wait 411 days to start an investigation into a murder than you would be sure to gather all the important evidence)

I don't know who some of you are....I could care less unless you speak the truth....and the Truth is Not that 19 Arabs led by a man in a cave 6000 miles away demolished 3 WTC buildings.....where is the plane from flight 93? where is the evidence that a place actually flew into the pentagon? give me a break.....oh I bet you and others get paid to keep the lie going....I bet you believe JFK was shot by oswald too huh? Google Operation Northwoods...read it well see what little sneaks our little secret black op's/cia was doing back then......please jet fuel melting WTC....COME ON WHERE ARE THE PICTUERS OF A RAGING FIRE....IF YOU BELIEVE FIRE BROUGHT WTC 7 DOWN YOU ARE HIGH ON CRACK MY FRIENDS.....CAN YOU SAY DEMOLITION...COME ON DEMO LITION....EASY SOUND IT OUT.....