Merged: Continuation - 9/11 CT subforum General Discussion Thread

[AJM8125]

Originally Posted by seewithyourowneyes

It is a fact that there are hundreds of witnesses who reported hearing and feeling massive explosions..Not one of them, Firefighters,workers who made it out from the towers....William Rodriguez. you all know who he is not one witness was ever questioned or allowed to testify in the investigation of why the towers fell. There has been an obvious blanket policy to discredit any scientist,mathematician,professor etcby the mainstream media. I bet all of you believe that the Federal Reserve is run by our Government.....Do any of you know that on the night before nine one one Donald Rumsfeld was on National TV talking about $2.3 Trillion Dollars missing from the Pentagons Budget... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rRqeJcuK-A

Did any of you know that? where's the $$$$$ Let me put things into perspective......If I spent One Million Dollars everyday since Jesus Christ was born up until today I would have only spent around $750 billion.....

How about the black budget???? ya ever hear of Molecular dissociation???? Look into it!

I'm not going to waste much of my time here...Trust me! I have better things to do!

Chewy?

[beachnut]

Originally Posted by seewithyourowneyes

Col. Robert Bowman, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Director of Advanced Space Programs Development under Presidents Ford and Carter. Air Force fighter pilot, over 100 combat missions. PhD in Aeronautics, Nuclear Engineering.

Video: "A lot of these pieces of information, taken together, prove that the official story ... of 9/11 is a bunch of hogwash. It's impossible. … There's a second group of facts having to do with the cover up. Taken together these things prove that high levels of our government don't want us to know what happened. Who gained from 9/11? Who covered up crucial information? And who put out the patently false stories about 9/11 in the first place? I think the case is pretty clear that it's highly placed individuals in the administration with all roads passing through Dick Cheney. I think the very kindest thing that we can say about George W. Bush and all the people in the U.S. Government that have been involved in this massive cover-up ... is that they were aware of impending attacks and let them happen. However even that is high treason and conspiracy to commit murder." http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid...


Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11. http://www.911truth.org/article.php?...


Bio: http://bowman2008.com/pg_01....



Raymond L. McGovern – Former Chairman, National Intelligence Estimates, CIA. Responsible for President's Daily Brief (PDB) for Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush. 27-year CIA veteran. Former U.S. Army Intelligence Officer.

Video: "I think at simplest terms, there's a cover-up. The 9/11 report is a joke. The question is: What's being covered up? Is it gross malfeasance, gross negligence? Now there are a whole bunch of unanswered questions. And the reason they're unanswered is because this administration will not answer the questions. This is the bottom line for me; just as Hitler in 1933 cynically exploited the burning of the parliament building, the Reichstag, this is exactly what our President did in exploiting 9/11. The cynical way in which he played on our trauma, used it to justify attacking, making a war of aggression on a country that he knew had nothing to do with 9/11. That suffices for me. That's certainly an impeachable offense." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uwu0bNaUcOU


Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11. http://www.911truth.org/...


Bio: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_McGovern

These people are wrong, and you have no clue. You are open-loop cut and paste SPAM, posting the most idiotic claims by people, who on 911 issues, are complete idiots. You can't figure out 911 and you pick the most moronic claims to support your ignorance. You are a SPAM bot of failed 911 moronic claims. A special kind of follower, someone who takes what other people say and repeat mindlessly.

[seewithyourowneyes]

The collapse of the WTC buildings produced the highest mass per volume of very fine particles (nanoparticles) ever measured in an air sample in the United States. It takes a tremendous amount of energy to dissociate or break the molecular bonds of steel, concrete and other building materials that were “powdered” into very fine particles during the collapse of the buildings. The largest mass per volume of metals ever measured in an air sample in the US were reported by Dr. Thomas Cahill who did air monitoring for 5 months. Metal is used in buildings because it is very strong – and would require large amounts of energy to reduce it to nanoparticles. Chemical explosives do not release enough energy to produce that volume of very fine particles. A much more energetic process was involved such as laser or beam energy which releases focused and concentrated energy as complex waveforms necessary to cause molecular dissociation

[seewithyourowneyes]

oops I forgot!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ci...quantum10b.htm

[ApolloGnomon]

Originally Posted by seewithyourowneyes

I'm not going to waste much of my time here...Trust me! I have better things to do!

LOL! Well, get to it then!

Oh, and by the way, I have a global answer to ALL of your ctl-v posts:

[Redtail]

Originally Posted by seewithyourowneyes

It is a fact that there are hundreds of witnesses who reported hearing and feeling massive explosions..Not one of them, Firefighters,workers who made it out from the towers....William Rodriguez. you all know who he is not one witness was ever questioned or allowed to testify in the investigation of why the towers fell. There has been an obvious blanket policy to discredit any scientist,mathematician,professor etcby the mainstream media. I bet all of you believe that the Federal Reserve is run by our Government.....Do any of you know that on the night before nine one one Donald Rumsfeld was on National TV talking about $2.3 Trillion Dollars missing from the Pentagons Budget... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rRqeJcuK-A

Did any of you know that? where's the $$$$$ Let me put things into perspective......If I spent One Million Dollars everyday since Jesus Christ was born up until today I would have only spent around $750 billion.....

How about the black budget???? ya ever hear of Molecular dissociation???? Look into it!

I'm not going to waste much of my time here...Trust me! I have better things to do!

Yeah, things explode in fires.
The money was reported missing before 9/10.

Now then, how did all of those people survive these "pyroclastic" flows?

[Craig4]

Originally Posted by seewithyourowneyes

It is a fact that there are hundreds of witnesses who reported hearing and feeling massive explosions..Not one of them, Firefighters,workers who made it out from the towers....William Rodriguez. you all know who he is not one witness was ever questioned or allowed to testify in the investigation of why the towers fell. There has been an obvious blanket policy to discredit any scientist,mathematician,professor etcby the mainstream media. I bet all of you believe that the Federal Reserve is run by our Government.....Do any of you know that on the night before nine one one Donald Rumsfeld was on National TV talking about $2.3 Trillion Dollars missing from the Pentagons Budget... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rRqeJcuK-A

Did any of you know that? where's the $$$$$ Let me put things into perspective......If I spent One Million Dollars everyday since Jesus Christ was born up until today I would have only spent around $750 billion.....

How about the black budget???? ya ever hear of Molecular dissociation???? Look into it!

I'm not going to waste much of my time here...Trust me! I have better things to do!

No, you really don't have better things to do than hang out here and get educated about why your ideas are wrong.

[beachnut]

Originally Posted by seewithyourowneyes

The collapse of the WTC buildings produced the highest mass per volume of very fine particles (nanoparticles) ever measured.. energy as complex waveforms necessary to cause molecular dissociation

Source? Complex waveforms? Music? Caused our kids to dance, in a molecular dissociation way?

You are a trip, did you discover LSD, or what?

[seewithyourowneyes]

Russian General: International Terrorism Does Not Exist
Chief of Staff says war is a hoax to justify creation of world government body

General Leonid Ivashov | January 23 2006

General Leonid Ivashov was the Chief of Staff of the Russian armed forces when the September 11, 2001, attacks took place. This military man, who lived the events from the inside, offers an analysis which is very different to that of his American colleagues. As he did during the Axis for Peace 2005 conference, he now explains that international terrorism does not exist and that the September 11 attacks were the result of a set-up. What we are seeing is a manipulation by the big powers; this terrorism would not exist without them. He affirms that, instead of faking a "world war on terror", the best way to reduce that kind of attacks is through respect for international law and peaceful cooperation among countries and their citizens.

http://www.infowars.com/articles/ter..._not_exist.htm

[BStrong]

Originally Posted by leftysergeant

Total squirrel droppings. Not a true statement on the page.

They lost about 75% of veterans when the called Jesse the Blob a "SEAL."

Boy been whacked upside the head with too many chairs.

Ventura (Janos) was a UDT man, never got close enough to RVN to get the attendance star, and has his SEAL ticket punched in the reserves.

I wouldn't trust him to water my lawn, even though I'm pretty sure that seewith might be cutting it.

[BStrong]

Originally Posted by seewithyourowneyes

Russian General: International Terrorism Does Not Exist
Chief of Staff says war is a hoax to justify creation of world government body

General Leonid Ivashov | January 23 2006

General Leonid Ivashov was the Chief of Staff of the Russian armed forces when the September 11, 2001, attacks took place. This military man, who lived the events from the inside, offers an analysis which is very different to that of his American colleagues. As he did during the Axis for Peace 2005 conference, he now explains that international terrorism does not exist and that the September 11 attacks were the result of a set-up. What we are seeing is a manipulation by the big powers; this terrorism would not exist without them. He affirms that, instead of faking a "world war on terror", the best way to reduce that kind of attacks is through respect for international law and peaceful cooperation among countries and their citizens.

http://www.infowars.com/articles/ter..._not_exist.htm

Infowars...when better delusional stories need to be invented...we're number One!

[DeathDart]

Do you have a blender at home?

The blades probably weigh less than an ounce each.

Some of those girders weighed 10,000 pounds each.

There were hundreds (thousands?) of girders.

These girders were rolling and tumbling as they came down.

The finer the dust, the more likely the wind and collapsing turbulence would spread it from the WTC footprint.

Take a couple of pieces of chalk in your blender, put on your safety glasses, put the lid on the blender, turn on blender.

[seewithyourowneyes]

Today's international terrorism is a phenomenon that combines the use of terror by state and non-state political structures as a means to attain their political objectives through people's intimidation, psychological and social destabilization, the elimination of resistance from power organizations and the creation of appropriate conditions for the manipulation of the countries' policies and the behavior of people.

Terrorism is the weapon used in a new type of war. At the same time, international terrorism, in complicity with the media, becomes the manager of global processes. It is precisely the symbiosis between media and terror, which allows modifying international politics and the exiting reality

[AJM8125]

Originally Posted by Redtail

Now then, how did all of those people survive these "pyroclastic" flows?

Super suits!!

[seewithyourowneyes]

"Chalk in a blender" do you know how stupid that sounds? Are you 7 years old or 8?

[seewithyourowneyes]

how many people survived? how many boides were found? 293 intact bodies.....the rest turned into dust!

[BStrong]

Originally Posted by seewithyourowneyes

Today's international terrorism is a phenomenon that combines the use of terror by state and non-state political structures as a means to attain their political objectives through people's intimidation, psychological and social destabilization, the elimination of resistance from power organizations and the creation of appropriate conditions for the manipulation of the countries' policies and the behavior of people.

Terrorism is the weapon used in a new type of war. At the same time, international terrorism, in complicity with the media, becomes the manager of global processes. It is precisely the symbiosis between media and terror, which allows modifying international politics and the exiting reality

Your words or did someone else write that?

[seewithyourowneyes]

nearly 2,800 victims
fewer than 300 whole bodies found
fewer than 1,600 victims identified
over 1,100 victims remain unidentified
over 800 victims identified by DNA alone
nearly 20,000 pieces of bodies found
over 6,000 pieces small enough to fit in test-tubes
over 200 pieces matched to single person
nearly 10,000 unidentified pieces frozen for future analysis
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/bodies.html

[JohnG]

Originally Posted by seewithyourowneyes

I'm not going to waste much of my time here...Trust me! I have better things to do!

Apparently not!

How can we miss you if you won't go away?

Originally Posted by seewithyourowneyes

"Chalk in a blender" do you know how stupid that sounds? Are you 7 years old or 8?

Uh oh. They're turning on each other!

If this is performance art, others have done it before...and better.

[seewithyourowneyes]

9/11 was an inside Job Wall to Wall, with 19 Patsies, OBL & Al-CIAda. Every intelligence agency in the World, worthy of that name, knows it perfectly well since 2001.


The Courageous President of Italy, Cossiga said it out loud, as well as some Japanese Parliamentarians, Ahmadinejad and many others. The 9/11 truth movement, filled with Architects, Engineers, US officers from NORAD, DIA etc., US Pilots, NYC Firefighters and Policemen, demolition experts, scholars & more, is alive and kicking. The American people deserve better than this utter monstrosity of sheer propaganda, ever since the advent of the PNAC/Ziocon Killers/assassins of the most infamous White House Murder INC, in 1995, and the American people will reclaim their Government and Congress soon enough. Encouraging signs appear all over the great US Campuses. They are the only ones capable of changing this Cabal of war criminals for good.


http://univercia2langley.blogspot.co...alse-flag.html


ya better watch out the information is going to start getting very serious!!!

[BStrong]

Originally Posted by seewithyourowneyes

9/11 was an inside Job Wall to Wall, with 19 Patsies, OBL & Al-CIAda. Every intelligence agency in the World, worthy of that name, knows it perfectly well since 2001.


The Courageous President of Italy, Cossiga said it out loud, as well as some Japanese Parliamentarians, Ahmadinejad and many others. The 9/11 truth movement, filled with Architects, Engineers, US officers from NORAD, DIA etc., US Pilots, NYC Firefighters and Policemen, demolition experts, scholars & more, is alive and kicking. The American people deserve better than this utter monstrosity of sheer propaganda, ever since the advent of the PNAC/Ziocon Killers/assassins of the most infamous White House Murder INC, in 1995, and the American people will reclaim their Government and Congress soon enough. Encouraging signs appear all over the great US Campuses. They are the only ones capable of changing this Cabal of war criminals for good.


http://univercia2langley.blogspot.co...alse-flag.html


ya better watch out the information is going to start getting very serious!!!

When the information gets factual, let us know.

[DeathDart]

Originally Posted by seewithyourowneyes

The Commission’s initial budget for the biggest crime in America was a mere $3 million as compared to the $50 million for the investigation of the Columbia space shuttle. It cost $40 million to investigate the soap opera sexual escapades of Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky. The 9/11 Commission was finally awarded another $11 million before the report finally became available in the third week of July 2004.

Even after consenting to an investigation, Bush and Cheney initially stonewalled the commission in the following ways:

· Refused to allow National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice to testify.

· White House tried to limit Bush's testimony to one hour.

· White House withheld about 75 percent of almost 11,000 pages of Clinton records pertaining to the investigation of the terrorist attacks. This information was held at the National Archives.

· They demanded that Bush and Cheney not be forced to testify under oath.

· Bush and Cheney demanded to be allowed to testify together.

Unlike others here, I have personal experience with the conspiracy and the cowardly psychology of Bush.

I used to think everything was a conspiracy, if Bush had anything to do with it.

Right now, my best estimate puts Bush at 6 on a scale of 10 of knowing about 9-11 ahead of time.

The WTC is a dead end for 2 reasons
No evidence remains.
The planes would have caused so much death and destruction that any attempt to insure the building collapse would expose the conspiracy to too many variables. As it was, it looked like Saudi Arabian Terrorists, funded by Pakistani ISI, all with connections to the Bush family.

Too much evidence left behind, for very little gain, and a high risk of detection.

Take it from somebody that the FBI was trying to set up as a terrorist, (doesn't that make me an expert in terrorism), it was not worth the risks.

Did Bush have control of the DOJ, Yes.

Could he block the proper operation of the NSA and FBI, Yes.

Is he gone, YES!

Is the conspiracy unwinding, YES!

Is everybody in the conspiracy, Mostly NO.

[BStrong]

Originally Posted by DeathDart

Unlike others here, I have personal experience with the conspiracy and the cowardly psychology of Bush.

I used to think everything was a conspiracy, if Bush had anything to do with it.

Right now, my best estimate puts Bush at 6 on a scale of 10 of knowing about 9-11 ahead of time.

The WTC is a dead end for 2 reasons
No evidence remains.
The planes would have caused so much death and destruction that any attempt to insure the building collapse would expose the conspiracy to too many variables. As it was, it looked like Saudi Arabian Terrorists, funded by Pakistani ISI, all with connections to the Bush family.

Too much evidence left behind, for very little gain, and a high risk of detection.

Take it from somebody that the FBI was trying to set up as a terrorist, (doesn't that make me an expert in terrorism), it was not worth the risks.

Did Bush have control of the DOJ, Yes.

Could he block the proper operation of the NSA and FBI, Yes.

Is he gone, YES!

Is the conspiracy unwinding, YES!

Is everybody in the conspiracy, Mostly NO.

You posted earlier that Bush wanted power - he was already POTUS.

Where did he want to go from there?

[ApolloGnomon]

[WildCat]

Originally Posted by seewithyourowneyes

"Chalk in a blender" do you know how stupid that sounds? Are you 7 years old or 8?

[DeathDart]

Originally Posted by BStrong

You posted earlier that Bush wanted power - he was already POTUS.

Where did he want to go from there?

He didn't get there by himself, he had to pay back some favors.

Also he (Bush) bought halfway into the sociopathic ideology of those around him.

I am usually good at crazy, but there is something so basically irrational about this ideology, that I can't walk a mile in its shoes. I am pretty sure it would be something that Nietzsche would have liked.

It is strongly fascist, defined as government for the powerful, by the powerful.

Unifying America, by threats real or imagined.

Their progress in corrupting the system (Unexpected consequence) can be seen by the last economic collapse. After the Savings and Loan mess, 1000 people were indicted, 800 went to prison.

This time, how many?

When you loosen the rules for the billionaires, you also loosen the rules for 1000's of greedy executives, the unexpected consequence.

Bush did get their people on the Supreme Court. The pipeline for all the courts are bursting with Judges who are very sympathetic to big business and big brother.

An of course who could forget the …....

Someone will fill in the blank.

[DeathDart]

Originally Posted by ApolloGnomon

http://files.sharenator.com/muhahaha...184-173786.jpg

I like it.

[DeathDart]

Originally Posted by WildCat

How stupid did the 10,000 pound blender blades sound?

[sylvan8798]

Originally Posted by DeathDart

Do you have a blender at home?

The blades probably weigh less than an ounce each.

Some of those girders weighed 10,000 pounds each.

There were hundreds (thousands?) of girders.

These girders were rolling and tumbling as they came down.

The vertical supports are COLUMNS. Repeat after me: Columns, columns, columns. Girders are horizontal members which usually carry other horizontal members.

Next time you will have to write: "I will not call structure by the wrong terms while attempting to look like I have a clue.". 100 times.....

[chrismohr]

Originally Posted by seewithyourowneyes

WTC 7 WTC 1&2 all demolished.....all part of a master plan....come on....haters how do you explain WTC 7 falling down....no real fire...not hit by a plane...and crashes down in 6.5 seconds...something is very strange!!

Hi See...

Check out my YouTube videos on chrismohr911, esp. part 13 and part 18 to answer your questions on Building 7.

[Redtail]

Originally Posted by seewithyourowneyes

how many people survived?

Tens of thousands.

Quote:

how many boides were found?

293 intact bodies.....the rest turned into dust!

So these intact bodies managed to withstand a force that turned millions of tons of concrete & steel to dust? How?

Oh, & how did all of those survivors live through being caught in those "pyroclastic" clouds?

[seewithyourowneyes]

Dissociation in chemistry and biochemistry is a general process in which ionic compounds (complexes, or salts) separate or split into smaller particles, ions, or radicals, usually in a reversible manner. For instance, when a Bronsted-Lowry acid is put in water, a covalent bond between an electronegative atom and a hydrogen atom is broken by heterolytic fission, which gives a proton and a negative ion. Dissociation is the opposite of association and recombination. The process is frequently confused with ionization.


lalalalalalalalalala......

[seewithyourowneyes]

On the fifth anniversary of the ‘9-11’ attacks, more citizens than ever before are questioning official versions of the attacks and the adequacy of the 9-11 Commission Report.



According to an August 2006 Scripps Howard/Ohio University national survey, 36% of Americans believe 9-11 was an ‘inside job’ with government agencies complicit in what occurred.[2] A Zogby poll in May 2006 found that 42% of Americans believed that official explanations and the 9-11 Commission were covering up the truth.[3]



There has been a steady stream of authors, journalists, researchers and media personalities coming forward to declare that 9-11 was an ‘inside job’. Some of the more prominent include the theologian Dr David Ray Griffin author/editor of a number of books on 9-11 including 9/11 and American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out (2003), Michael Ruppert author of Crossing the Rubicon: The Decline of the American Empire at the End of the Age of Oil (2004), and actor Charlie Sheen who went public with his views on March 2006.[4]

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ex...itics_ZZZM.htm

36% is a lot of people...not the 6 of you in this fourm trying to keep the "lie going...."
that fire can bring down buildings.....what a joke...what a shame that there are people like you that don't care about the truth.....go on.....keep living with your heads in the sand....I don't care about people who don't care about themselves and it's obvious that all a lot of you care about is trying to take the focus off the scary truth that we were all lied to on Sept. 11th 2001....

[seewithyourowneyes]

A white paper on the structure of the Twin Towers carried out by the firm of Worthington, Skilling, Helle & Jackson contained eleven numbered points, including:

3. The buildings have been investigated and found to be safe in an assumed collision with a large jet airliner (Boeing 707-DC 8) traveling at 600 miles per hour. Analysis indicates that such collision would result in only local damage which could not cause collapse or substantial damage to the building and would not endanger the lives and safety of occupants not in the immediate area of impact.

http://stj911.org/evidence/wtc.html#gz_visual

[bill smith]

Originally Posted by seewithyourowneyes

A white paper on the structure of the Twin Towers carried out by the firm of Worthington, Skilling, Helle & Jackson contained eleven numbered points, including:

3. The buildings have been investigated and found to be safe in an assumed collision with a large jet airliner (Boeing 707-DC 8) traveling at 600 miles per hour. Analysis indicates that such collision would result in only local damage which could not cause collapse or substantial damage to the building and would not endanger the lives and safety of occupants not in the immediate area of impact.

http://stj911.org/evidence/wtc.html#gz_visual

Great post.

[GlennB]

Originally Posted by seewithyourowneyes

Dissociation in chemistry and biochemistry is a general process in which ionic compounds (complexes, or salts) separate or split into smaller particles, ions, or radicals, usually in a reversible manner. For instance, when a Bronsted-Lowry acid is put in water, a covalent bond between an electronegative atom and a hydrogen atom is broken by heterolytic fission, which gives a proton and a negative ion. Dissociation is the opposite of association and recombination. The process is frequently confused with ionization.


lalalalalalalalalala......

When you quote Wikipedia please include an acknowledgment or link.

Steel is not a salt or ionic compound, it's an alloy.

Meanwhile you continue to waste the time you once suggested was precious to you.

[Grizzly Bear]

Originally Posted by seewithyourowneyes

<snip>

I thought you weren't planning to waste more time here.

[Dave Rogers]

Originally Posted by seewithyourowneyes

On the fifth anniversary of the ‘9-11’ attacks, more citizens than ever before are questioning official versions of the attacks and the adequacy of the 9-11 Commission Report.

Dude, 2006 called. They want their post back.

Dave

[seewithyourowneyes]

I'm not wasting time now....I'm providing information for people who care about TRUTH>>>NOT NONSENCE!!!


Osama bin Laden and "Al Qaeda" cannot be the organizers nor the performers of the September 11 attacks. They do not have the necessary organization, resources or leaders. Thus, a team of professionals had to be created and the Arab kamikazes are just extras to mask the operation.
The September 11 operation modified the course of events in the world in the direction chosen by transnational mafias and international oligarchs; that is, those who hope to control the planet's natural resources, the world information network and the financial flows. This operation also favored the US economic and political elite that also seeks world dominance.


Many WORLD LEADERS know 9-11 is a FALSE FLAG OPERATION....




Operation Northwoods

US PLANNED FAKE TERROR ATTACKS ON CITIZENS
TO CREATE SUPPORT FOR CUBAN WAR

From BODY OF SECRETS, James Bamford, Doubleday, 2001, p.82 and following.
Scanned and edited by NY Transfer News.

Although no one in Congress could have known it at the time, Lemnitzer and the Joint Chiefs had quietly slipped over the edge.

According to secret and long-hidden documents obtained for Body of Secrets, the Joint Chiefs of Staff drew up and approved plans for what may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government. In the name of antiCommunism, they proposed launching a secret and bloody war of terrorism against their own country in order to trick the American public into supporting an ill-conceived war they intended to launch against Cuba


http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHART...orthwoods.html

[dafydd]

Originally Posted by seewithyourowneyes

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