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Beleth · 22nd February 2003, 03:37 PM

Randi mentioned the stark differences between North and South Korea in this week's commentary. I just recently came across a picture that symbolizes this difference more dramatically and objectively than any mere words can.

I'll just post a link because it's a huge picture.

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ima...2_dmsp_big.jpg

Luceiia · 24th February 2003, 11:45 AM

For those geographically challenged folks, you can see Japan clearly enough at the far right side of the picture and the Korean peninsula is directly above the westernmost tip of Japan. Here's a rough image of Korea:

Code:

Kind of a rough in places:                      RUSSIA
                                          {'{
                                         /   '.
                                       _/     _}
    CHINA                        __ __}      /
                                (  `        (
                          /'\____\          /
                         :                  |
                         /                  |
                        /                 _/
                  __.-='     DPRK        /
              .-='                   .-='
          .-='                 _.--='
         (                   .'
          \=._               }
              '-._          (
                 (           '=-.
                 / PYONGYANG     \
                (_ *              \
             _.='\\                \
            ;                       }         SEA OF
YELLOW      \__         _  _      .'\         JAPAN
 SEA         " \_ _ . -      - . -   \
                \                     \
              ,=.\ * SEOUL             \
             {_.                        }
              :`{                       |
                /                       /
                }                      .
                \           ROK        |
               _]                     <_.
               ',                       /
               /                       /
               \                _.____/
                }  _____.-.--=\{ /}
                \/" ,_}   \,      `


               __,=-.
dew           {__.--'                               JAPAN (somewhere over here)


DPRK : Democratic People's Republic of Korea (North Korea)
ROK  : Republic of Korea (South Korea)

If that's not your cup of tea, you can try referring to this jpg which shows the relation of Japan to Korea:

http://go.hrw.com/atlas/norm_htm/japan.htm

The point is that the S. Korean portion of the peninsula is full of lights, whereas the N. Korean portion is almost entirely dark (thus making the S. portion appear to be an island).

Luceiia
Chocolate trounces North Korea!

Beleth · 24th February 2003, 12:01 PM

Thanks, Luceiia.

I hope you didn't have to draw that map yourself!

Soapy Sam · 24th February 2003, 07:47 PM

The point is that the S. Korean portion of the peninsula is full of lights, whereas the N. Korean portion is almost entirely dark (thus making the S. portion appear to be an island).

Which may be why they want a nuclear power station or two back on line?

Luceiia · 25th February 2003, 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Soapy Sam
The point is that the S. Korean portion of the peninsula is full of lights, whereas the N. Korean portion is almost entirely dark (thus making the S. portion appear to be an island).

Which may be why they want a nuclear power station or two back on line?

Um yeah, I suppose. But maybe we should send them that wonderful game called Sid Meier's Civilization first, so they can try to learn how things really should go in order...first we farm the land, then we create healthy cities, then we invent/build nifty things like sewers, sidewalks, electricity generators, and power grids, then we graduate to nuclear power.

Oh, wait, maybe they just want the nuclear warheads while the masses starve and live in mud huts with no power or sewage (or other basic amenities).

Luceiia
Chocolate beats Nuclear Power Station

26th February 2003, 05:08 PM

That is an outstanding photo Beleth. Thanks!

arcticpenguin · 27th February 2003, 07:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by LukeT
That is an outstanding photo Beleth. Thanks!

Of course it is not a single photo, but some sort of composite. The whole planet surface would not be visible from one spot, would not all experience night at one time, and be entirely free from cloud cover. Probably if you look around the site you would find a description of how they put it together.

headscratcher4 · 27th February 2003, 07:15 AM

Operating under the Historic Juche principal, the victorious and brave people of the Democratic Republic of Korea, guided by the lodestar of the 21st Century, the great general and philosopher of the People, Kim Jong Il, are continuing to build their army-based policy of popular socialism, to the acclaim and applause of progressive peoples everywhere!

The brave and stead-fast people of Korea will, under the leadership of the incomparable Kim Jong Il, and futhering the glorious traditions of Kim Il Sung -- Father of the Nation -- bare any burden and will certainly defeat the agressive, imperialist agressors of the Korean people -- the United States!

Beware! Our darkness is our disguise and our Victory! From that darkness, the invincible Korean people will rise! Expell and punish all agressors! Triumph over all oppressors! Achieve outstanding, historic victory over the forces of evil! What those who would do harm to the great Korean people see as darkness, is, in fact, brilliance and the light of the great spirit of Chairman Kim Jong Il!

27th February 2003, 02:54 PM

There are lots of interesting things displayed in that picture.

arcticpenguin · 27th February 2003, 03:07 PM

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Originally posted by K-W
There are lots of interesting things displayed in that picture.

Oh yeah. It's chock full of orbs and sprites.

DrMatt · 28th February 2003, 04:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by arcticpenguin

Of course it is not a single photo, but some sort of composite. The whole planet surface would not be visible from one spot, would not all experience night at one time, and be entirely free from cloud cover. Probably if you look around the site you would find a description of how they put it together.

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap020810.html
APOD is a cherished resource.

22nd February 2003, 03:37 PM	#1
Beleth FAQ Creator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Not in a cave Posts: 4,134	North and South Korea Randi mentioned the stark differences between North and South Korea in this week's commentary. I just recently came across a picture that symbolizes this difference more dramatically and objectively than any mere words can. I'll just post a link because it's a huge picture. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ima...2_dmsp_big.jpg
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24th February 2003, 11:45 AM	#2
Luceiia Thinker Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 207	For those geographically challenged folks, you can see Japan clearly enough at the far right side of the picture and the Korean peninsula is directly above the westernmost tip of Japan. Here's a rough image of Korea: Code: Kind of a rough in places: RUSSIA {'{ / '. _/ _} CHINA __ __} / ( ` ( /'\____\ / : \| / \| / _/ __.-=' DPRK / .-=' .-=' .-=' _.--=' ( .' \=._ } '-._ ( ( '=-. / PYONGYANG \ (_ * \ _.='\\ \ ; } SEA OF YELLOW \__ _ _ .'\ JAPAN SEA " \_ _ . - - . - \ \ \ ,=.\ * SEOUL \ {_. } :`{ \| / / } . \ ROK \| _] <_. ', / / / \ _.____/ } _____.-.--=\{ /} \/" ,_} \, ` __,=-. dew {__.--' JAPAN (somewhere over here) DPRK : Democratic People's Republic of Korea (North Korea) ROK : Republic of Korea (South Korea) If that's not your cup of tea, you can try referring to this jpg which shows the relation of Japan to Korea: http://go.hrw.com/atlas/norm_htm/japan.htm The point is that the S. Korean portion of the peninsula is full of lights, whereas the N. Korean portion is almost entirely dark (thus making the S. portion appear to be an island). Luceiia Chocolate trounces North Korea!
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24th February 2003, 12:01 PM	#3
Beleth FAQ Creator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Not in a cave Posts: 4,134	Thanks, Luceiia. I hope you didn't have to draw that map yourself!
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24th February 2003, 07:47 PM	#4
Soapy Sam NLH Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 25,929	The point is that the S. Korean portion of the peninsula is full of lights, whereas the N. Korean portion is almost entirely dark (thus making the S. portion appear to be an island). Which may be why they want a nuclear power station or two back on line?
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25th February 2003, 12:16 AM	#5
Luceiia Thinker Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 207	Quote: Originally posted by Soapy Sam The point is that the S. Korean portion of the peninsula is full of lights, whereas the N. Korean portion is almost entirely dark (thus making the S. portion appear to be an island). Which may be why they want a nuclear power station or two back on line? Um yeah, I suppose. But maybe we should send them that wonderful game called Sid Meier's Civilization first, so they can try to learn how things really should go in order...first we farm the land, then we create healthy cities, then we invent/build nifty things like sewers, sidewalks, electricity generators, and power grids, then we graduate to nuclear power. Oh, wait, maybe they just want the nuclear warheads while the masses starve and live in mud huts with no power or sewage (or other basic amenities). Luceiia Chocolate beats Nuclear Power Station
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26th February 2003, 05:08 PM	#6
Guest Posts: n/a	That is an outstanding photo Beleth. Thanks!
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27th February 2003, 07:06 AM	#7
arcticpenguin woo ban clan Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,717	Quote: Originally posted by LukeT That is an outstanding photo Beleth. Thanks! Of course it is not a single photo, but some sort of composite. The whole planet surface would not be visible from one spot, would not all experience night at one time, and be entirely free from cloud cover. Probably if you look around the site you would find a description of how they put it together.
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27th February 2003, 07:15 AM	#8
headscratcher4 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 7,759	Operating under the Historic Juche principal, the victorious and brave people of the Democratic Republic of Korea, guided by the lodestar of the 21st Century, the great general and philosopher of the People, Kim Jong Il, are continuing to build their army-based policy of popular socialism, to the acclaim and applause of progressive peoples everywhere! The brave and stead-fast people of Korea will, under the leadership of the incomparable Kim Jong Il, and futhering the glorious traditions of Kim Il Sung -- Father of the Nation -- bare any burden and will certainly defeat the agressive, imperialist agressors of the Korean people -- the United States! Beware! Our darkness is our disguise and our Victory! From that darkness, the invincible Korean people will rise! Expell and punish all agressors! Triumph over all oppressors! Achieve outstanding, historic victory over the forces of evil! What those who would do harm to the great Korean people see as darkness, is, in fact, brilliance and the light of the great spirit of Chairman Kim Jong Il!
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27th February 2003, 02:54 PM	#9
K-W Guest Posts: n/a	There are lots of interesting things displayed in that picture.
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27th February 2003, 03:07 PM	#10
arcticpenguin woo ban clan Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,717	Quote: Originally posted by K-W There are lots of interesting things displayed in that picture. Oh yeah. It's chock full of orbs and sprites.
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28th February 2003, 04:45 AM	#11
DrMatt Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2002 Location: USA Posts: 1,422	Quote: Originally posted by arcticpenguin Of course it is not a single photo, but some sort of composite. The whole planet surface would not be visible from one spot, would not all experience night at one time, and be entirely free from cloud cover. Probably if you look around the site you would find a description of how they put it together. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap020810.html APOD is a cherished resource.
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