New Video on Barry Jennings and Michael Hess - Page 3

bill smith · 4th September 2010, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by AJM8125

The photo and screen grab are of the same window, which faces Barclay street.

http://forums.randi.org/picture.php?...pictureid=3651

I love the top picture. Very Naruto.

AJM8125 · 4th September 2010, 03:31 PM

Yes bill, go back to your cartoons, it's time for the grown-ups now.

bill smith · 4th September 2010, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by AJM8125

Yes bill, go back to your cartoons, it's time for the grown-ups now.

Or it could be Lisa Simpson.

What about the Blazing cars and the knee-deep paper not burning ?

AJM8125 · 4th September 2010, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by bill smith

Or it could be Lisa Simpson.

What about the Blazing cars and the knee-deep paper not burning ?

What about Mr. Hess call for help from a window on Barclay Street, which contradicts what Mr. Jennings said?

Rather a remarkable find, don't you agree?

bill smith · 4th September 2010, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by AJM8125

What about Mr. Hess call for help from a window on Barclay Street, which contradicts what Mr. Jennings said?

Rather a remarkable find, don't you agree?

That's only a detail. This cars thing is fundmental.

I don;t trust any released video at this stage. But this one seems to be full of really interesting stuff.

AJM8125 · 4th September 2010, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by bill smith

That's only a detail. This cars thing is fundmental.

I don;t trust any released video at this stage. But this one seems to be full of really interesting stuff.

It wasn't a detail when Mr Jennings said he could still see the towers from where he was on the 8th floor. Now that statement has been proven incorrect, let us now focus on something really important, like how come some paper didn't catch fire. That's gotta be what blows the lid off the whole conspiracy, eh?

bill smith · 4th September 2010, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by AJM8125

It wasn't a detail when Mr Jennings said he could still see the towers from where he was on the 8th floor. Now that statement has been proven incorrect, let us now focus on something really important, like how come some paper didn't catch fire. That's gotta be what blows the lid off the whole conspiracy, eh?

I am only interested because this is not the first or second time I have heard about the paper not burning at the WTC,

AJM8125 · 4th September 2010, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by bill smith

I am only interested because this is not the first or second time I have heard about the paper not burning at the WTC,

Your dodge is noted.

DGM · 4th September 2010, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by bill smith

I am only interested because this is not the first or second time I have heard about the paper not burning at the WTC,

The video also shows a number of cars not burning. What's your point?

bill smith · 4th September 2010, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by DGM

The video also shows a number of cars not burning. What's your point?

I mentioned that further back. So a localised effect of some kind. Any ideas ?

AJM8125 · 4th September 2010, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by bill smith

I mentioned that further back. So a localised effect of some kind. Any ideas ?

The after effects of random and chaotic damage inflicted by two buildings colllapsing nearby?

Naaaaaahhh, gotta be those death rays again.

DGM · 4th September 2010, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by bill smith

I mentioned that further back. So a localised effect of some kind. Any ideas ?

A collapsing building (or two or several)? That's relatively "localized".

bill smith · 4th September 2010, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by AJM8125

The after effects of random and chaotic damage inflicted by two buildings colllapsing nearby?

Naaaaaahhh, gotta be those death rays again.

I wonder if the Doktor would be interested in this video. Dr. J.W.

AJM8125 · 4th September 2010, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by bill smith

I wonder if the Doktor would be interested in this video. Dr. J.W.

I'll light the cauldron, you release the flying monkeys to go fetch her.

leftysergeant · 4th September 2010, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by Disbelief

Why are you driving burning vehicles? How bad is your luck?!?!

Two of them were fire trucks that had just been worked on. One was my personal vehicle that I had just picked up from the mechanic's.

I don't much trust mechanics any more.

leftysergeant · 4th September 2010, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by bill smith

Or it could be Lisa Simpson.

What about the Blazing cars and the knee-deep paper not burning ?

There were cars burning before the collapses. There were cars burning between collapses.

The deepest piles of paper were covered with dust.

Vaporised gasoline catches fire far more easily, even yards from a source of ignition, than does half-buried paper.

bill smith · 4th September 2010, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by leftysergeant

There were cars burning before the collapses. There were cars burning between collapses.

The deepest piles of paper were covered with dust.

Vaporised gasoline catches fire far more easily, even yards from a source of ignition, than does half-buried paper.

You can really put ypurself there Sarge. I do the same thing.

bill smith · 4th September 2010, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by AJM8125

I'll light the cauldron, you release the flying monkeys to go fetch her.

Ha..I remember a number of years ago when BA (British Airways) in the UK was sued by Richard Branson over a dirty tricks campaign that BA had carried out against Virgin.

The case was found against BA and they were ordered to apologise.

One of the caricaturists in 'Private Eye' I think it was made a cartoon of two flying pigs pulling a banner that read:-

'' BA APOLOGISES TO VIRGIN''

It was really funny at the time.

bill smith · 4th September 2010, 05:01 PM

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dc1971 · 4th September 2010, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by bill smith

Or it could be Lisa Simpson.

What about the Blazing cars and the knee-deep paper not burning ?

Well you must also take concrete dust into account, no?

leftysergeant · 4th September 2010, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by dc1971

Well you must also take concrete dust into account, no?

Actually, for two reasons. Mechanically, it separates the paper from air and, to some degree, heat. Chemically, as I recall, there is a large portion of carbonates in concrete dust. When you heat a carbonate or bicarbonate it releases CO2, a famous fire extinguishing agent.

This is why restruaunts keep baking soda where it can be grabbed quickly for stove fires and dry chem extinguishers use potassium bicarbonate.

dc1971 · 4th September 2010, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by leftysergeant

Actually, for two reasons. Mechanically, it separates the paper from air and, to some degree, heat. Chemically, as I recall, there is a large portion of carbonates in concrete dust. When you heat a carbonate or bicarbonate it releases CO2, a famous fire extinguishing agent.

This is why restruaunts keep baking soda where it can be grabbed quickly for stove fires and dry chem extinguishers use potassium bicarbonate.

I understand that! But why doesn't Bill Smith understand that?

AJM8125 · 4th September 2010, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by dc1971

But why doesn't Bill Smith understand that?

She's a truther.

bio · 5th September 2010, 03:09 AM

From the Front Lines of the World Trade Center Disaster
Asaeda, Glenn MD

"I proceeded north as my partner went south. As I approached the No. 7 World Trade Center building, I realized how close the initial triage and treatment area was set up by our EMS personnel, and made the decision to evacuate these patients being treated to an area further north. While we were attempting to make the transfer, the South Tower began to lean and then collapsed with what sounded like jet engines coming toward us.

By sheer instinct and with no planning whatsoever, I grabbed my patients and dove for cover into an alcove between the lobby of No. 7 and the loading dock. I pulled my helmet visor down, grabbed the chinstrap, and squatted down against the wall, thinking that this was it for me. I truly thought this was where my life would end."

http://journals.lww.com/em-news/Full..._Center.7.aspx

Another doctor there, who also said nothing about explosion in WTC-7 before the collapse of WTC-2:

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html...IC/9110005.PDF

This account ist also confirmed by the firefighter Zarillo:
http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html...uggia_John.txt

"Our patient count was probably a half dozen to a dozen at that point. We had maybe three or four EMTs working under Captain Nahmod with Dr. Asaeda. We had a whole treatment center set up inside those bays. They got folding chairs from the building security. They had back boards, they had oxygen. It was working out real nice. "

Why they did not recognise any explosion (before the south tower came down according to Barry Jennings)?

angrysoba · 5th September 2010, 04:59 AM

Originally Posted by bill smith

Sep-4-2010:

Brand new video of Michael Hess shouting down from WTC7. Interesting shots of the street and so on.

http://www.youtube.com/user/IC911STU.../7/ZduP7HTM3cg

Might take a little time to load..

Thanks Bill. So this completely confirms that Alien Entity was right in his video. There is no way anyone can look at that and say the Towers hadn't collapsed by then which means Barry Jennings had been wrong about the explosions in the building.

Sivan Kurzberg · 5th September 2010, 07:52 AM

http:////graphics8.nytimes.com/packa...IC/9110048.PDF

EMT Patricia Ondrovic, she talks about explosions.

bill smith · 5th September 2010, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by angrysoba

Thanks Bill. So this completely confirms that Alien Entity was right in his video. There is no way anyone can look at that and say the Towers hadn't collapsed by then which means Barry Jennings had been wrong about the explosions in the building.

Somebody gave me a heads up that it was a window on to Barclay street, not Vesey street that Jennings broke. Thanks for that.

But Barclay street bounded the NORTH face of WTC7- more than 450 feet away from WTC1. The length of one and a half football fields. So how were all those cars on the street burning furiously ? What ignited them ?

AJM8125 · 5th September 2010, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by bill smith

Somebody gave me a heads up that it was a window on to Barclay street, not Vesey street that Jennings broke. Thanks for that.

But Barclay street bounded the NORTH face of WTC7- more than 450 feet away from WTC1. The length of one and a half football fields. So how were all those cars on the street burning furiously ? What ignited them ?

Locate Barclay Street in this image and you'll have your answer.

MaGZ · 5th September 2010, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by bio

After research, I came to the conclusion, that Jennings & Hess heart the explosions after the collapse of wtc 1.

The decisive point is, that in the lobby of WTC 7 was a kind "hospital". This hospital was evacuated after the destruction of WTC 1.

There was no hospital in the lobby of WTC 7. The dead bodies there were the ones killed on Vesey Street at 9:03 am. It was a temporary morgue not a hospital.

MaGZ · 5th September 2010, 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by AJM8125

And with all due respect to Mr. Jennings, he could not have seen the towers from where he and Mr. Hess were. He was at Barclay and West Broadway, the northwest corner of the building. The towers would've been behind them. Is this not correct?

http://forums.randi.org/picture.php?...pictureid=3650

Yes, and Jennings said the firemen had to runaway twice because of the falling towers before they were rescued.

MaGZ · 5th September 2010, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by leftysergeant

Why? This is just normal collateral damage fropm the colapse of a tall burning building.

To a vertaran fire fighter who has seen about ten car fires (in three of which I was personally involved as the driver of the burning vehicle) I see nothing odd about the car fires.

The car fires were not ignited by the collapsing towers.

Fourbrick · 5th September 2010, 09:33 AM

Originally Posted by Sivan Kurzberg

http:////graphics8.nytimes.com/packa...IC/9110048.PDF

EMT Patricia Ondrovic, she talks about explosions.

"My partner and I grabbed our stretcher, went to put it in the back of our
vehicle, and at that time, I think it was the lobby of the building behind us blew out. Everybody started running, I didn't see him again that day. He got thrown one way, I got thrown the other way."

This is just after the Pentagon had been hit (9.37) and before the South Tower collapsed,(9.59) according to her testimony.

What caused the explosion in WTC Seven if the South Tower hadn't yet collapsed? This timiing would also confirm Barry Jennings comments that the explosion he experienced in WTC 7 happened before WTC2 collapsed.

She also describes cars bursting into flames on her way to safety. What could have caused this?

bill smith · 5th September 2010, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by Fourbrick

"My partner and I grabbed our stretcher, went to put it in the back of our
vehicle, and at that time, I think it was the lobby of the building behind us blew out. Everybody started running, I didn't see him again that day. He got thrown one way, I got thrown the other way."

This is just after the Pentagon had been hit (9.37) and before the South Tower collapsed,(9.59) according to her testimony.

What caused the explosion in WTC Seven if the South Tower hadn't yet collapsed? This timiing would also confirm Barry Jennings comments that the explosion he experienced in WTC 7 happened before WTC2 collapsed.

She also describes cars bursting into flames on her way to safety. What could have caused this?

Have a look at the cars in this video. In the location of Barclay street 450 feet away from and shielded from the collapse of the North Tower by the body of WTC7 these cars should never have burned.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/yt-9el...uction_period/

Pretty quick-rusting cars...

http://tiny.cc/cevik

tsig · 5th September 2010, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by bill smith

Jeez..I'll take a raincheck on that lift Sarge.lol

Really ?...Did you not notice that the street was knee-deep in paper and yet only the cars were blazing ? Wow....

Look again..

http://www.youtube.com/user/IC911STU.../7/ZduP7HTM3cg

That's probably because paper doesn't have electrical systems that can short out and cause fires.

AJM8125 · 5th September 2010, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by Fourbrick

What could have caused this?

The Collapse of WTC 2, which she states what had happened on page 9 of the interview.

bill smith · 5th September 2010, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by Sivan Kurzberg

http:////graphics8.nytimes.com/packa...IC/9110048.PDF

EMT Patricia Ondrovic, she talks about explosions.

I get an error when I click the link..

bill smith · 5th September 2010, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by AJM8125

Locate Barclay Street in this image and you'll have your answer.

http://forums.randi.org/picture.php?...pictureid=3658

You can see in your picture that when the North Tower fell the dust rolled sround along Barclay street . It's very clear in the picture. If you look in the new video I posted of Barclay street you can see just how much dust was in that cloud. Some of the cars and the road are inches deep in it.

grandmastershek · 5th September 2010, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by MaGZ

Yes, and Jennings said the firemen had to runaway twice because of the falling towers before they were rescued.

Actually he say they arrived 2 times. They left 1 once for tower 1 and then for tower 2. So if it happened as Jennings says then they arrived 3 times. 1 when they arrived and left. 2 when they arrived and left the second, and 3 when they came to get him and Hesse out. If anything we know much of what Jennings said was speculation to come up with a rational narrative, not based on what he actually knew for fact.

alienentity · 5th September 2010, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by MaGZ

Yes, and Jennings said the firemen had to runaway twice because of the falling towers before they were rescued.

Actually, Jennings says he 'had no way of knowing this'. He was assuming, because he hadn't realized the towers had collapsed already.

Hess and Jennings both describe buses and police cars on fire, as well as dust and swirling papers - this is the aftermath of the WTC tower collapses, without any question.

You need to correct your narrative to reflect all the evidence. Cherry-picking is not accurate. If you are just going to quote people randomly, then quote FDNY personnel who said the WTC 7 was leaning, creaking and was going to collapse.

Fair is fair. Quote all of them, not just those which fit your narrative. They ALL need to be considered.

alienentity · 5th September 2010, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by MaGZ

The car fires were not ignited by the collapsing towers.

Prove it. Oh, you can't.....

Or are you God?

4th September 2010, 03:26 PM	#81
bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	Originally Posted by AJM8125 The photo and screen grab are of the same window, which faces Barclay street. http://forums.randi.org/picture.php?...pictureid=3651 I love the top picture. Very Naruto.
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bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	Originally Posted by AJM8125 Yes bill, go back to your cartoons, it's time for the grown-ups now. Or it could be Lisa Simpson. What about the Blazing cars and the knee-deep paper not burning ?
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AJM8125 NWO Black Ops Tagger Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: **** Creek, California Posts: 15,255	Originally Posted by bill smith Or it could be Lisa Simpson. What about the Blazing cars and the knee-deep paper not burning ? What about Mr. Hess call for help from a window on Barclay Street, which contradicts what Mr. Jennings said? Rather a remarkable find, don't you agree?
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4th September 2010, 03:56 PM	#85
bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	Originally Posted by AJM8125 What about Mr. Hess call for help from a window on Barclay Street, which contradicts what Mr. Jennings said? Rather a remarkable find, don't you agree? That's only a detail. This cars thing is fundmental. I don;t trust any released video at this stage. But this one seems to be full of really interesting stuff.
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4th September 2010, 04:07 PM	#87
bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	Originally Posted by AJM8125 It wasn't a detail when Mr Jennings said he could still see the towers from where he was on the 8th floor. Now that statement has been proven incorrect, let us now focus on something really important, like how come some paper didn't catch fire. That's gotta be what blows the lid off the whole conspiracy, eh? I am only interested because this is not the first or second time I have heard about the paper not burning at the WTC,
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AJM8125 NWO Black Ops Tagger Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: **** Creek, California Posts: 15,255	Yes bill, go back to your cartoons, it's time for the grown-ups now.

4th September 2010, 04:04 PM	#86
AJM8125 NWO Black Ops Tagger Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: **** Creek, California Posts: 15,255	Originally Posted by bill smith That's only a detail. This cars thing is fundmental. I don;t trust any released video at this stage. But this one seems to be full of really interesting stuff. It wasn't a detail when Mr Jennings said he could still see the towers from where he was on the 8th floor. Now that statement has been proven incorrect, let us now focus on something really important, like how come some paper didn't catch fire. That's gotta be what blows the lid off the whole conspiracy, eh?

4th September 2010, 04:17 PM	#88
AJM8125 NWO Black Ops Tagger Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: **** Creek, California Posts: 15,255	Originally Posted by bill smith I am only interested because this is not the first or second time I have heard about the paper not burning at the WTC, Your dodge is noted.

4th September 2010, 04:21 PM	#89
DGM #4 Join Date: May 2007 Location: West of Northshore MA Posts: 14,326	Originally Posted by bill smith I am only interested because this is not the first or second time I have heard about the paper not burning at the WTC, The video also shows a number of cars not burning. What's your point?
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4th September 2010, 04:28 PM	#90
bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	Originally Posted by DGM The video also shows a number of cars not burning. What's your point? I mentioned that further back. So a localised effect of some kind. Any ideas ?
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4th September 2010, 04:30 PM	#91
AJM8125 NWO Black Ops Tagger Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: **** Creek, California Posts: 15,255	Originally Posted by bill smith I mentioned that further back. So a localised effect of some kind. Any ideas ? The after effects of random and chaotic damage inflicted by two buildings colllapsing nearby? Naaaaaahhh, gotta be those death rays again.

4th September 2010, 04:32 PM	#92
DGM #4 Join Date: May 2007 Location: West of Northshore MA Posts: 14,326	Originally Posted by bill smith I mentioned that further back. So a localised effect of some kind. Any ideas ? A collapsing building (or two or several)? That's relatively "localized".
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4th September 2010, 04:33 PM	#93
bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	Originally Posted by AJM8125 The after effects of random and chaotic damage inflicted by two buildings colllapsing nearby? Naaaaaahhh, gotta be those death rays again. I wonder if the Doktor would be interested in this video. Dr. J.W.
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4th September 2010, 04:35 PM	#94
AJM8125 NWO Black Ops Tagger Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: **** Creek, California Posts: 15,255	Originally Posted by bill smith I wonder if the Doktor would be interested in this video. Dr. J.W. I'll light the cauldron, you release the flying monkeys to go fetch her.

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leftysergeant Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 18,613	Originally Posted by Disbelief Why are you driving burning vehicles? How bad is your luck?!?! Two of them were fire trucks that had just been worked on. One was my personal vehicle that I had just picked up from the mechanic's. I don't much trust mechanics any more.
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4th September 2010, 04:40 PM	#96
leftysergeant Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 18,613	Originally Posted by bill smith Or it could be Lisa Simpson. What about the Blazing cars and the knee-deep paper not burning ? There were cars burning before the collapses. There were cars burning between collapses. The deepest piles of paper were covered with dust. Vaporised gasoline catches fire far more easily, even yards from a source of ignition, than does half-buried paper.
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4th September 2010, 04:48 PM	#97
bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	Originally Posted by leftysergeant There were cars burning before the collapses. There were cars burning between collapses. The deepest piles of paper were covered with dust. Vaporised gasoline catches fire far more easily, even yards from a source of ignition, than does half-buried paper. You can really put ypurself there Sarge. I do the same thing.
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bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	Originally Posted by AJM8125 I'll light the cauldron, you release the flying monkeys to go fetch her. Ha..I remember a number of years ago when BA (British Airways) in the UK was sued by Richard Branson over a dirty tricks campaign that BA had carried out against Virgin. The case was found against BA and they were ordered to apologise. One of the caricaturists in 'Private Eye' I think it was made a cartoon of two flying pigs pulling a banner that read:- '' BA APOLOGISES TO VIRGIN'' It was really funny at the time.
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4th September 2010, 05:57 PM	#100
dc1971 Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 3,033	Originally Posted by bill smith Or it could be Lisa Simpson. What about the Blazing cars and the knee-deep paper not burning ? Well you must also take concrete dust into account, no?
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4th September 2010, 06:06 PM	#101
leftysergeant Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 18,613	Originally Posted by dc1971 Well you must also take concrete dust into account, no? Actually, for two reasons. Mechanically, it separates the paper from air and, to some degree, heat. Chemically, as I recall, there is a large portion of carbonates in concrete dust. When you heat a carbonate or bicarbonate it releases CO2, a famous fire extinguishing agent. This is why restruaunts keep baking soda where it can be grabbed quickly for stove fires and dry chem extinguishers use potassium bicarbonate.
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4th September 2010, 07:10 PM	#102
dc1971 Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 3,033	Originally Posted by leftysergeant Actually, for two reasons. Mechanically, it separates the paper from air and, to some degree, heat. Chemically, as I recall, there is a large portion of carbonates in concrete dust. When you heat a carbonate or bicarbonate it releases CO2, a famous fire extinguishing agent. This is why restruaunts keep baking soda where it can be grabbed quickly for stove fires and dry chem extinguishers use potassium bicarbonate. I understand that! But why doesn't Bill Smith understand that?
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4th September 2010, 07:40 PM	#103
AJM8125 NWO Black Ops Tagger Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: **** Creek, California Posts: 15,255	Originally Posted by dc1971 But why doesn't Bill Smith understand that? She's a truther.

5th September 2010, 03:09 AM	#104
bio Muse Join Date: May 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 883	From the Front Lines of the World Trade Center Disaster Asaeda, Glenn MD "I proceeded north as my partner went south. As I approached the No. 7 World Trade Center building, I realized how close the initial triage and treatment area was set up by our EMS personnel, and made the decision to evacuate these patients being treated to an area further north. While we were attempting to make the transfer, the South Tower began to lean and then collapsed with what sounded like jet engines coming toward us. By sheer instinct and with no planning whatsoever, I grabbed my patients and dove for cover into an alcove between the lobby of No. 7 and the loading dock. I pulled my helmet visor down, grabbed the chinstrap, and squatted down against the wall, thinking that this was it for me. I truly thought this was where my life would end." http://journals.lww.com/em-news/Full..._Center.7.aspx Another doctor there, who also said nothing about explosion in WTC-7 before the collapse of WTC-2: http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html...IC/9110005.PDF This account ist also confirmed by the firefighter Zarillo: http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html...uggia_John.txt "Our patient count was probably a half dozen to a dozen at that point. We had maybe three or four EMTs working under Captain Nahmod with Dr. Asaeda. We had a whole treatment center set up inside those bays. They got folding chairs from the building security. They had back boards, they had oxygen. It was working out real nice. " Why they did not recognise any explosion (before the south tower came down according to Barry Jennings)?
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5th September 2010, 04:59 AM	#105
angrysoba Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 8,520	Originally Posted by bill smith Sep-4-2010: Brand new video of Michael Hess shouting down from WTC7. Interesting shots of the street and so on. http://www.youtube.com/user/IC911STU.../7/ZduP7HTM3cg Might take a little time to load.. Thanks Bill. So this completely confirms that Alien Entity was right in his video. There is no way anyone can look at that and say the Towers hadn't collapsed by then which means Barry Jennings had been wrong about the explosions in the building.

5th September 2010, 07:52 AM	#106
Sivan Kurzberg Banned Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 156	http:////graphics8.nytimes.com/packa...IC/9110048.PDF EMT Patricia Ondrovic, she talks about explosions.
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5th September 2010, 08:06 AM	#107
bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	Originally Posted by angrysoba Thanks Bill. So this completely confirms that Alien Entity was right in his video. There is no way anyone can look at that and say the Towers hadn't collapsed by then which means Barry Jennings had been wrong about the explosions in the building. Somebody gave me a heads up that it was a window on to Barclay street, not Vesey street that Jennings broke. Thanks for that. But Barclay street bounded the NORTH face of WTC7- more than 450 feet away from WTC1. The length of one and a half football fields. So how were all those cars on the street burning furiously ? What ignited them ?
bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	__________________ Think WTC7 - You cannot make the four corners of a table fall together unless you cut the four legs together A kitchen table judgement on a world scale is enough * To Citizens: 'There comes a time when silence is betrayal'

5th September 2010, 08:59 AM	#108
AJM8125 NWO Black Ops Tagger Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: **** Creek, California Posts: 15,255	Originally Posted by bill smith Somebody gave me a heads up that it was a window on to Barclay street, not Vesey street that Jennings broke. Thanks for that. But Barclay street bounded the NORTH face of WTC7- more than 450 feet away from WTC1. The length of one and a half football fields. So how were all those cars on the street burning furiously ? What ignited them ? Locate Barclay Street in this image and you'll have your answer.

5th September 2010, 09:23 AM	#109
MaGZ Suspended Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 6,319	Originally Posted by bio After research, I came to the conclusion, that Jennings & Hess heart the explosions after the collapse of wtc 1. The decisive point is, that in the lobby of WTC 7 was a kind "hospital". This hospital was evacuated after the destruction of WTC 1. There was no hospital in the lobby of WTC 7. The dead bodies there were the ones killed on Vesey Street at 9:03 am. It was a temporary morgue not a hospital.
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5th September 2010, 09:26 AM	#110
MaGZ Suspended Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 6,319	Originally Posted by AJM8125 And with all due respect to Mr. Jennings, he could not have seen the towers from where he and Mr. Hess were. He was at Barclay and West Broadway, the northwest corner of the building. The towers would've been behind them. Is this not correct? http://forums.randi.org/picture.php?...pictureid=3650 Yes, and Jennings said the firemen had to runaway twice because of the falling towers before they were rescued.
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5th September 2010, 09:29 AM	#111
MaGZ Suspended Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 6,319	Originally Posted by leftysergeant Why? This is just normal collateral damage fropm the colapse of a tall burning building. To a vertaran fire fighter who has seen about ten car fires (in three of which I was personally involved as the driver of the burning vehicle) I see nothing odd about the car fires. The car fires were not ignited by the collapsing towers.
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5th September 2010, 09:33 AM	#112
Fourbrick Critical Thinker Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 465	Originally Posted by Sivan Kurzberg http:////graphics8.nytimes.com/packa...IC/9110048.PDF EMT Patricia Ondrovic, she talks about explosions. "My partner and I grabbed our stretcher, went to put it in the back of our vehicle, and at that time, I think it was the lobby of the building behind us blew out. Everybody started running, I didn't see him again that day. He got thrown one way, I got thrown the other way." This is just after the Pentagon had been hit (9.37) and before the South Tower collapsed,(9.59) according to her testimony. What caused the explosion in WTC Seven if the South Tower hadn't yet collapsed? This timiing would also confirm Barry Jennings comments that the explosion he experienced in WTC 7 happened before WTC2 collapsed. She also describes cars bursting into flames on her way to safety. What could have caused this?

5th September 2010, 10:21 AM	#113
bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	Originally Posted by Fourbrick "My partner and I grabbed our stretcher, went to put it in the back of our vehicle, and at that time, I think it was the lobby of the building behind us blew out. Everybody started running, I didn't see him again that day. He got thrown one way, I got thrown the other way." This is just after the Pentagon had been hit (9.37) and before the South Tower collapsed,(9.59) according to her testimony. What caused the explosion in WTC Seven if the South Tower hadn't yet collapsed? This timiing would also confirm Barry Jennings comments that the explosion he experienced in WTC 7 happened before WTC2 collapsed. She also describes cars bursting into flames on her way to safety. What could have caused this? Have a look at the cars in this video. In the location of Barclay street 450 feet away from and shielded from the collapse of the North Tower by the body of WTC7 these cars should never have burned. http://www.metacafe.com/watch/yt-9el...uction_period/ Pretty quick-rusting cars... http://tiny.cc/cevik
bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	__________________ Think WTC7 - You cannot make the four corners of a table fall together unless you cut the four legs together A kitchen table judgement on a world scale is enough * To Citizens: 'There comes a time when silence is betrayal' Last edited by bill smith; 5th September 2010 at 10:39 AM.

5th September 2010, 10:29 AM	#114
tsig a carbon based life-form Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 26,762	Originally Posted by bill smith Jeez..I'll take a raincheck on that lift Sarge.lol Really ?...Did you not notice that the street was knee-deep in paper and yet only the cars were blazing ? Wow.... Look again.. http://www.youtube.com/user/IC911STU.../7/ZduP7HTM3cg That's probably because paper doesn't have electrical systems that can short out and cause fires.

5th September 2010, 10:42 AM	#115
AJM8125 NWO Black Ops Tagger Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: **** Creek, California Posts: 15,255	Originally Posted by Fourbrick What could have caused this? The Collapse of WTC 2, which she states what had happened on page 9 of the interview.