New Video on Barry Jennings and Michael Hess - Page 4

AJM8125 · 5th September 2010, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by alienentity

Fair is fair. Quote all of them, not just those which fit your narrative. They ALL need to be considered.

They're clutching to whatever they can now that they've lost Jennings and Hess - another part of their grand conspiracy laid to rest.

alienentity · 5th September 2010, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by AJM8125

They're clutching to whatever they can now that they've lost Jennings and Hess - another part of their grand conspiracy laid to rest.

Absolutely correct. They can't retract their false claims, as the whole set of arguments will collapse along with them. Since the CD theory is based on false premises, this is going to happen sooner or later, whether or not they admit it.

At some point it doesn't matter if a few wackjobs believe something or not. It won't be relevant to the rest of the world. Just look at the Flat Earth Society, or the Obama Birthers. It's the same thing.

bill smith · 5th September 2010, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by AJM8125

They're clutching to whatever they can now that they've lost Jennings and Hess - another part of their grand conspiracy laid to rest.

I am much more interested in the car anomalies right now AJ. It is beginning to look as if Judy might have a point... Unless you can be more convincing that is ?

bill smith · 5th September 2010, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by alienentity

Absolutely correct. They can't retract their false claims, as the whole set of arguments will collapse along with them. Since the CD theory is based on false premises, this is going to happen sooner or later, whether or not they admit it.

At some point it doesn't matter if a few wackjobs believe something or not. It won't be relevant to the rest of the world. Just look at the Flat Earth Society, or the Obama Birthers. It's the same thing.

Jeez AE..just think this is more or less the FIRST video I have looked at of the new releases. We may be putting you guys on the rack even more than usual in the next while.

alienentity · 5th September 2010, 11:53 AM

Dear Bill. Since all the videos so far are disproving most of the truther nonsense, you seem to be unusually full of wishful thinking.

But then, I normally have you on ignore, for just that reason - you're just not worth the time.

Wrong again, Billy.

AJM8125 · 5th September 2010, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by bill smith

I am much more interested in the car anomalies right now AJ. It is beginning to look as if Judy might have a point... Unless you can be more convincing that is ?

More convincing than Judy Wood? That might be a stretch, but I'll give it a whirl in terms truthers are familiar with:

Bad men in jets steal airplanes and crash them into buildings.

Bad men, bad!

Burny things now fall from the sky and make random things on the ground burn too.

Bad fire, bad!

One of the buildings get tired and falls down, making more random things go burn

The building's friend gets sleppy too. More bad fire!

The end.

Sivan Kurzberg · 5th September 2010, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by bill smith

I get an error when I click the link..

It works for me even when I click it from here. It's a PDF so maybe you need an adobe update? I'm using firefox.

Here is a listing of all the statements in PDF form from that site.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package...s_full_01.html

I read about her a long time ago and if I remember correctly she also claims things were blowing up before any buildings fell. I think at one point her hair actually caught fire.

AJM8125 · 5th September 2010, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by Sivan Kurzberg

I read about her a long time ago and if I remember correctly she also claims things were blowing up before any buildings fell. I think at one point her hair actually caught fire.

Because she got caught in the collapse of WTC 2.

Sivan Kurzberg · 5th September 2010, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by AJM8125

Because she got caught in the collapse of WTC 2.

Maybe it is after the building collapsed but that is not what she claims was the cause of her hair catching fire.

"As I was running up Vesey, the first car blew up on me on the corner of Vessey and the West Side Highway. That set my turnout coat on fire, that set my hair on fire, and that set my feet on fire. I kept running.

As I was running up here, two or three more cars exploded on me. They weren't near any buildings at that point, they were just parked on the street. The traffic guys hadn't gotten a chance to tow anything yet, cause this was all during the first hour I guess of this thing happening. So there were still cars parked on the street that were completely independent of that. Three cars blew up on me, stuff was being thrown."

AJM8125 · 5th September 2010, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by Patricia Ondrovic

I still hadn't realized that the first tower had fallen. [redacted] After I found out what actually happened, cause I found that out about a week ago, that that's what I ran from.

She got caught in the collpapse and didn't realize it.

She and her colleges were nearly in the 2nd collapse too, They were 20 blocks away and debris was hitting their ambulance. Not a huge stretch of immagination to realize what was happening in those debris clouds and Patricia Ondrovic confirmed it.

Sivan Kurzberg · 5th September 2010, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by AJM8125

She got caught in the collpapse and didn't realize it.

She and her colleges were nearly in the 2nd collapse too, They were 20 blocks away and debris was hitting their ambulance. Not a huge stretch of immagination to realize what was happening in those debris clouds and Patricia Ondrovic confirmed it.

What's the count up to now for debunkers on the number of witnesses that are mistaken or don't know what they experienced? Just curious. You sound as if you were there and she wasn't. But that's typical around here isn't it?

AJM8125 · 5th September 2010, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by Sivan Kurzberg

What's the count up to now for debunkers on the number of witnesses that are mistaken or don't know what they experienced? Just curious. You sound as if you were there and she wasn't. But that's typical around here isn't it?

It's her words, not mine.

Everything is fine and dandy until somebody comes along and, you know, actually READS the document intstead of just picking out the parts that sound good to your fevered little minds.

bill smith · 5th September 2010, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by Sivan Kurzberg

Maybe it is after the building collapsed but that is not what she claims was the cause of her hair catching fire.

"As I was running up Vesey, the first car blew up on me on the corner of Vessey and the West Side Highway. That set my turnout coat on fire, that set my hair on fire, and that set my feet on fire. I kept running.

As I was running up here, two or three more cars exploded on me. They weren't near any buildings at that point, they were just parked on the street. The traffic guys hadn't gotten a chance to tow anything yet, cause this was all during the first hour I guess of this thing happening. So there were still cars parked on the street that were completely independent of that. Three cars blew up on me, stuff was being thrown."

Great stuff Sivan, That link works now. Thanks.

PS the attached picture shows the collapsed WTC7. This is Vesey street. Which side of the pile is West Broadway left or right ?

http://www.thewebfairy.com/killtown/...uer/wtc7-1.JPG

Disbelief · 5th September 2010, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by Sivan Kurzberg

What's the count up to now for debunkers on the number of witnesses that are mistaken or don't know what they experienced? Just curious. You sound as if you were there and she wasn't. But that's typical around here isn't it?

So, then you agree with the firefighters that WTC was fully engaged in fire, was leaning and was destined to collapse. Thank you.

Sivan Kurzberg · 5th September 2010, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by AJM8125

It's her words, not mine.

One more time. This is what I said...

Maybe it is after the building collapsed but that is not what she claims was the cause of her hair catching fire.

"As I was running up Vesey, the first car blew up on me on the corner of Vessey and the West Side Highway. That set my turnout coat on fire, that set my hair on fire, and that set my feet on fire. I kept running.

As I was running up here, two or three more cars exploded on me. They weren't near any buildings at that point, they were just parked on the street. The traffic guys hadn't gotten a chance to tow anything yet, cause this was all during the first hour I guess of this thing happening. So there were still cars parked on the street that were completely independent of that. Three cars blew up on me, stuff was being thrown."

Sivan Kurzberg · 5th September 2010, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by Disbelief

So, then you agree with the firefighters that WTC was fully engaged in fire, was leaning and was destined to collapse. Thank you.

That's a relative statement. I can see the pictures of what some people want to now call "fully engaged". I also have no doubt some people knew it was coming down.

AJM8125 · 5th September 2010, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by Sivan Kurzberg

One more time. This is what I said...

Maybe it is after the building collapsed but that is not what she claims was the cause of her hair catching fire.

"As I was running up Vesey, the first car blew up on me on the corner of Vessey and the West Side Highway. That set my turnout coat on fire, that set my hair on fire, and that set my feet on fire. I kept running.

As I was running up here, two or three more cars exploded on me. They weren't near any buildings at that point, they were just parked on the street. The traffic guys hadn't gotten a chance to tow anything yet, cause this was all during the first hour I guess of this thing happening. So there were still cars parked on the street that were completely independent of that. Three cars blew up on me, stuff was being thrown."

You can say it as many times as you like.

It doesn't change the fact that she states later in the interview it was the collapse of WTC 2 and she was in it.

Disbelief · 5th September 2010, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by Sivan Kurzberg

That's a relative statement. I can see the pictures of what some people want to now call "fully engaged". I also have no doubt some people knew it was coming down.

So, then you disagree with the firefighters who say it was fully engaged? Which firefighters do you think were in on it, as that is what you are saying in your second sentence.

Sivan Kurzberg · 5th September 2010, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by bill smith

Great stuff Sivan, That link works now. Thanks.

PS the attached picture shows the collapsed WTC7. This is Vesey street. Which side on the pile is West Broadway left or right ?

http://www.thewebfairy.com/killtown/...uer/wtc7-1.JPG

I'm not sure Bill.

Pardalis · 5th September 2010, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by DGM

The video also shows a number of cars not burning. What's your point?

Those burning cars could account for alot of the explosions heard. But don't tell Bill, he can't take something so reasonable.

Sivan Kurzberg · 5th September 2010, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by AJM8125

You can say it as many times as you like.

It doesn't change the fact that she states later in the interview it was the collapse of WTC 2 and she was in it.

It's her words, not mine.

"They weren't near any buildings at that point, they were just parked on the street. "

"So there were still cars parked on the street that were completely independent of that. Three cars blew up on me, stuff was being thrown."

AJM8125 · 5th September 2010, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by Sivan Kurzberg

It's her words, not mine.

And she later amended her statement to say she was actually in the collapse of WTC 2.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Sivan Kurzberg · 5th September 2010, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by Disbelief

So, then you disagree with the firefighters who say it was fully engaged? Which firefighters do you think were in on it, as that is what you are saying in your second sentence.

He's entitled to his opinion of "fully engaged". From the pictures readily available to anyone I would say no. The building was not fully engaged with fire on even most of the floors.

bill smith · 5th September 2010, 01:34 PM

What do you think AJ ? The final proof that some kind of invisible force was at work ?

Sivan Kurzberg · 5th September 2010, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by AJM8125

And she later amended her statement to say she was actually in the collapse of WTC 2.

Thanks for clearing that up.

It doesn't mean it's what caused the cars to blow up nor does she claim this. You're welcome.

TexasJack · 5th September 2010, 01:44 PM

Let me get this straight, the perps were trying to blow up cars to bring down the towers?

Disbelief · 5th September 2010, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by Sivan Kurzberg

He's entitled to his opinion of "fully engaged". From the pictures readily available to anyone I would say no. The building was not fully engaged with fire on even most of the floors.

So when you said this:

Originally Posted by Sivan

What's the count up to now for debunkers on the number of witnesses that are mistaken or don't know what they experienced? Just curious. You sound as if you were there and she wasn't. But that's typical around here isn't it?

You did not really mean it? Why the double standard? The firefighters were there and you weren't.

Also, which firefighters were in on it, as you alluded to with this statement:

Originally Posted by Sivan

I also have no doubt some people knew it was coming down.

AJM8125 · 5th September 2010, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by Sivan Kurzberg

It doesn't mean it's what caused the cars to blow up nor does she claim this. You're welcome.

Yes, yes it does. Reading comprehension was never a hallmark of the truth movement.

AJM8125 · 5th September 2010, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by TexasJack

Let me get this straight, the perps were trying to blow up cars to bring down the towers?

Like I said, it's all they have left, now that Jennings and Hess have been taken away - notice they don't want to talk about that and have derailed the thread because some cars caught fire and that's, you know, one of them spooky inside job clues that the darn NWO keeps leaving around.

AJM8125 · 5th September 2010, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by bill smith

Great stuff Sivan, That link works now. Thanks.

PS the attached picture shows the collapsed WTC7. This is Vesey street. Which side of the pile is West Broadway left or right ?

http://www.thewebfairy.com/killtown/...uer/wtc7-1.JPG

The attached picture is not Vessey street. It's West Broadway and Barclay. The building in the foreground that the debris pile is against is Fiterman Hall, to left is The US Post Office. The buildings in the background at the end of the street are the remains of buildings 5 and 6.

bill smith · 5th September 2010, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by AJM8125

Like I said, it's all they have left, now that Jennings and Hess have been taken away - notice they don't want to talk about that and have derailed the thread because some cars caught fire and that's, you know, one of them spooky inside job clues that the darn NWO keeps leaving around.

Did you look at the 1:18 second mark in the video (see hyperlink). That looks like what the aboriginies call a willy-willy. It's like a mini tornado. The thing is I think Judy Wood talked about something similar on 9/11.

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php...0&postcount=75 hyperlink

''....een kleine, relatief zwakke wervelwind die op warme dagen kan ontstaan door convectie in de lucht boven een sterk opgewarmd oppervlak''

Translation: A small,relatively weak whirlwind that can arise by vonvection in the air above a strongly heated surface.

http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stofhoos

It's getting more and more interesting AJ isn't it ?

BigAl · 5th September 2010, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by bill smith

Did you look at the 1:18 second mark in the video (see hyperlink). That looks like what the aboriginies call a willy-willy. It's like a mini tornado. The thing is I think Judy Wood talked about something similar on 9/11.

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php...0&postcount=75 hyperlink

Or it was a very typical windy corner in Manhattan that happened to have the smoke and dust from WTC to stir up and blow around.

AJM8125 · 5th September 2010, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by BigAl

Or it was a very typical windy corner in Manhattan that happened to have the smoke and dust from WTC to stir up and blow around.

We have those around our buildings too and so far, the NWO has spared us.

bill smith · 5th September 2010, 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by AJM8125

The attached picture is not Vessey street. It's West Broadway and Barclay. The building in the foreground that the debris pile is against is Fiterman Hall, to left is The US Post Office. The buildings in the background at the end of the street are the remains of buildings 5 and 6.

So this is the street where we saw all the burning cars and where Barry Jennings broke the window. The side that we are all accustomed to seeing in the collapse videos. The North side.

bill smith · 5th September 2010, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by AJM8125

The attached picture is not Vessey street. It's West Broadway and Barclay. The building in the foreground that the debris pile is against is Fiterman Hall, to left is The US Post Office. The buildings in the background at the end of the street are the remains of buildings 5 and 6.

You know AJ looking at the width of the street I can't see cars being parked on both sides Can you ? Look at the guy crossing the street for example. It looked much wider in the video with the burning cars and Hess,

AJM8125 · 5th September 2010, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by bill smith

You know AJ looking at the width of the street I can't see cars being parked on both sides Can you ? Look at the guy crossing the street for example. It looked much wider in the video with the burning cars and Hess,

The video was shot on Barclay. The still you posted was shot on West Broadway. You don't see Barclay street because WTC 7 is laying on it - in its own footprint.

bill smith · 5th September 2010, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by AJM8125

The video was shot on Barclay. The still you posted was shot on West Broadway. You don't see Barclay street because WTC 7 is laying on it - in its own footprint.

Are you certain or are you just guessing ?

AJM8125 · 5th September 2010, 02:54 PM

Certain.

Are you honest or just trolling?

bill smith · 5th September 2010, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by AJM8125

Certain.

Are you honest or just trolling?

You said earlier that the buildings in the backround included WTC6. That was directly on the South side of WTC7. That should make this view the North side....or not ?

Here;s a great photp of the whole site.

http://www.engr.psu.edu/ae/WTC/wtc-photo.jpg Huge photo (slow loading)

AJM8125 · 5th September 2010, 03:22 PM

Buildings 5 and 6 sat next to each other, you do realize that, right? In your still, building 5 is in the background left, 6 is on the right.

5th September 2010, 11:42 AM	#122
alienentity Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Somewhere between Here and There Posts: 4,240	Originally Posted by AJM8125 They're clutching to whatever they can now that they've lost Jennings and Hess - another part of their grand conspiracy laid to rest. Absolutely correct. They can't retract their false claims, as the whole set of arguments will collapse along with them. Since the CD theory is based on false premises, this is going to happen sooner or later, whether or not they admit it. At some point it doesn't matter if a few wackjobs believe something or not. It won't be relevant to the rest of the world. Just look at the Flat Earth Society, or the Obama Birthers. It's the same thing.
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5th September 2010, 11:43 AM	#123
bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	Originally Posted by AJM8125 They're clutching to whatever they can now that they've lost Jennings and Hess - another part of their grand conspiracy laid to rest. I am much more interested in the car anomalies right now AJ. It is beginning to look as if Judy might have a point... Unless you can be more convincing that is ?
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5th September 2010, 11:46 AM	#124
bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	Originally Posted by alienentity Absolutely correct. They can't retract their false claims, as the whole set of arguments will collapse along with them. Since the CD theory is based on false premises, this is going to happen sooner or later, whether or not they admit it. At some point it doesn't matter if a few wackjobs believe something or not. It won't be relevant to the rest of the world. Just look at the Flat Earth Society, or the Obama Birthers. It's the same thing. Jeez AE..just think this is more or less the FIRST video I have looked at of the new releases. We may be putting you guys on the rack even more than usual in the next while.
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5th September 2010, 11:53 AM	#125
alienentity Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Somewhere between Here and There Posts: 4,240	Dear Bill. Since all the videos so far are disproving most of the truther nonsense, you seem to be unusually full of wishful thinking. But then, I normally have you on ignore, for just that reason - you're just not worth the time. Wrong again, Billy.
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5th September 2010, 12:18 PM	#127
Sivan Kurzberg Banned Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 156	Originally Posted by bill smith I get an error when I click the link.. It works for me even when I click it from here. It's a PDF so maybe you need an adobe update? I'm using firefox. Here is a listing of all the statements in PDF form from that site. http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package...s_full_01.html I read about her a long time ago and if I remember correctly she also claims things were blowing up before any buildings fell. I think at one point her hair actually caught fire.
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5th September 2010, 11:35 AM	#121
AJM8125 NWO Black Ops Tagger Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: **** Creek, California Posts: 15,255	Originally Posted by alienentity Fair is fair. Quote all of them, not just those which fit your narrative. They ALL need to be considered. They're clutching to whatever they can now that they've lost Jennings and Hess - another part of their grand conspiracy laid to rest.

5th September 2010, 12:13 PM	#126
AJM8125 NWO Black Ops Tagger Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: **** Creek, California Posts: 15,255	Originally Posted by bill smith I am much more interested in the car anomalies right now AJ. It is beginning to look as if Judy might have a point... Unless you can be more convincing that is ? More convincing than Judy Wood? That might be a stretch, but I'll give it a whirl in terms truthers are familiar with: Bad men in jets steal airplanes and crash them into buildings. Bad men, bad! Burny things now fall from the sky and make random things on the ground burn too. Bad fire, bad! One of the buildings get tired and falls down, making more random things go burn The building's friend gets sleppy too. More bad fire! The end.

5th September 2010, 12:21 PM	#128
AJM8125 NWO Black Ops Tagger Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: **** Creek, California Posts: 15,255	Originally Posted by Sivan Kurzberg I read about her a long time ago and if I remember correctly she also claims things were blowing up before any buildings fell. I think at one point her hair actually caught fire. Because she got caught in the collapse of WTC 2.

5th September 2010, 12:39 PM	#129
Sivan Kurzberg Banned Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 156	Originally Posted by AJM8125 Because she got caught in the collapse of WTC 2. Maybe it is after the building collapsed but that is not what she claims was the cause of her hair catching fire. "As I was running up Vesey, the first car blew up on me on the corner of Vessey and the West Side Highway. That set my turnout coat on fire, that set my hair on fire, and that set my feet on fire. I kept running. As I was running up here, two or three more cars exploded on me. They weren't near any buildings at that point, they were just parked on the street. The traffic guys hadn't gotten a chance to tow anything yet, cause this was all during the first hour I guess of this thing happening. So there were still cars parked on the street that were completely independent of that. Three cars blew up on me, stuff was being thrown."
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5th September 2010, 12:55 PM	#130
AJM8125 NWO Black Ops Tagger Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: **** Creek, California Posts: 15,255	Originally Posted by Patricia Ondrovic I still hadn't realized that the first tower had fallen. [redacted] After I found out what actually happened, cause I found that out about a week ago, that that's what I ran from. She got caught in the collpapse and didn't realize it. She and her colleges were nearly in the 2nd collapse too, They were 20 blocks away and debris was hitting their ambulance. Not a huge stretch of immagination to realize what was happening in those debris clouds and Patricia Ondrovic confirmed it.

5th September 2010, 01:07 PM	#131
Sivan Kurzberg Banned Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 156	Originally Posted by AJM8125 She got caught in the collpapse and didn't realize it. She and her colleges were nearly in the 2nd collapse too, They were 20 blocks away and debris was hitting their ambulance. Not a huge stretch of immagination to realize what was happening in those debris clouds and Patricia Ondrovic confirmed it. What's the count up to now for debunkers on the number of witnesses that are mistaken or don't know what they experienced? Just curious. You sound as if you were there and she wasn't. But that's typical around here isn't it?
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5th September 2010, 01:09 PM	#132
AJM8125 NWO Black Ops Tagger Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: **** Creek, California Posts: 15,255	Originally Posted by Sivan Kurzberg What's the count up to now for debunkers on the number of witnesses that are mistaken or don't know what they experienced? Just curious. You sound as if you were there and she wasn't. But that's typical around here isn't it? It's her words, not mine. Everything is fine and dandy until somebody comes along and, you know, actually READS the document intstead of just picking out the parts that sound good to your fevered little minds.
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5th September 2010, 01:12 PM	#133
bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	Originally Posted by Sivan Kurzberg Maybe it is after the building collapsed but that is not what she claims was the cause of her hair catching fire. "As I was running up Vesey, the first car blew up on me on the corner of Vessey and the West Side Highway. That set my turnout coat on fire, that set my hair on fire, and that set my feet on fire. I kept running. As I was running up here, two or three more cars exploded on me. They weren't near any buildings at that point, they were just parked on the street. The traffic guys hadn't gotten a chance to tow anything yet, cause this was all during the first hour I guess of this thing happening. So there were still cars parked on the street that were completely independent of that. Three cars blew up on me, stuff was being thrown." Great stuff Sivan, That link works now. Thanks. PS the attached picture shows the collapsed WTC7. This is Vesey street. Which side of the pile is West Broadway left or right ? http://www.thewebfairy.com/killtown/...uer/wtc7-1.JPG
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5th September 2010, 01:12 PM	#134
Disbelief Master Poster Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,272	Originally Posted by Sivan Kurzberg What's the count up to now for debunkers on the number of witnesses that are mistaken or don't know what they experienced? Just curious. You sound as if you were there and she wasn't. But that's typical around here isn't it? So, then you agree with the firefighters that WTC was fully engaged in fire, was leaning and was destined to collapse. Thank you.
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5th September 2010, 01:14 PM	#135
Sivan Kurzberg Banned Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 156	Originally Posted by AJM8125 It's her words, not mine. One more time. This is what I said... Maybe it is after the building collapsed but that is not what she claims was the cause of her hair catching fire. "As I was running up Vesey, the first car blew up on me on the corner of Vessey and the West Side Highway. That set my turnout coat on fire, that set my hair on fire, and that set my feet on fire. I kept running. As I was running up here, two or three more cars exploded on me. They weren't near any buildings at that point, they were just parked on the street. The traffic guys hadn't gotten a chance to tow anything yet, cause this was all during the first hour I guess of this thing happening. So there were still cars parked on the street that were completely independent of that. Three cars blew up on me, stuff was being thrown."
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5th September 2010, 01:20 PM	#136
Sivan Kurzberg Banned Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 156	Originally Posted by Disbelief So, then you agree with the firefighters that WTC was fully engaged in fire, was leaning and was destined to collapse. Thank you. That's a relative statement. I can see the pictures of what some people want to now call "fully engaged". I also have no doubt some people knew it was coming down.
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5th September 2010, 01:21 PM	#137
AJM8125 NWO Black Ops Tagger Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: **** Creek, California Posts: 15,255	Originally Posted by Sivan Kurzberg One more time. This is what I said... Maybe it is after the building collapsed but that is not what she claims was the cause of her hair catching fire. "As I was running up Vesey, the first car blew up on me on the corner of Vessey and the West Side Highway. That set my turnout coat on fire, that set my hair on fire, and that set my feet on fire. I kept running. As I was running up here, two or three more cars exploded on me. They weren't near any buildings at that point, they were just parked on the street. The traffic guys hadn't gotten a chance to tow anything yet, cause this was all during the first hour I guess of this thing happening. So there were still cars parked on the street that were completely independent of that. Three cars blew up on me, stuff was being thrown." You can say it as many times as you like. It doesn't change the fact that she states later in the interview it was the collapse of WTC 2 and she was in it.

5th September 2010, 01:22 PM	#138
Disbelief Master Poster Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,272	Originally Posted by Sivan Kurzberg That's a relative statement. I can see the pictures of what some people want to now call "fully engaged". I also have no doubt some people knew it was coming down. So, then you disagree with the firefighters who say it was fully engaged? Which firefighters do you think were in on it, as that is what you are saying in your second sentence.
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5th September 2010, 01:24 PM	#139
Sivan Kurzberg Banned Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 156	Originally Posted by bill smith Great stuff Sivan, That link works now. Thanks. PS the attached picture shows the collapsed WTC7. This is Vesey street. Which side on the pile is West Broadway left or right ? http://www.thewebfairy.com/killtown/...uer/wtc7-1.JPG I'm not sure Bill.
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5th September 2010, 01:26 PM	#140
Pardalis Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Montréal Posts: 25,831	Originally Posted by DGM The video also shows a number of cars not burning. What's your point? Those burning cars could account for alot of the explosions heard. But don't tell Bill, he can't take something so reasonable.

5th September 2010, 01:29 PM	#141
Sivan Kurzberg Banned Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 156	Originally Posted by AJM8125 You can say it as many times as you like. It doesn't change the fact that she states later in the interview it was the collapse of WTC 2 and she was in it. It's her words, not mine. "They weren't near any buildings at that point, they were just parked on the street. " "So there were still cars parked on the street that were completely independent of that. Three cars blew up on me, stuff was being thrown."
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5th September 2010, 01:33 PM	#142
AJM8125 NWO Black Ops Tagger Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: **** Creek, California Posts: 15,255	Originally Posted by Sivan Kurzberg It's her words, not mine. And she later amended her statement to say she was actually in the collapse of WTC 2. Thanks for clearing that up.

5th September 2010, 01:33 PM	#143
Sivan Kurzberg Banned Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 156	Originally Posted by Disbelief So, then you disagree with the firefighters who say it was fully engaged? Which firefighters do you think were in on it, as that is what you are saying in your second sentence. He's entitled to his opinion of "fully engaged". From the pictures readily available to anyone I would say no. The building was not fully engaged with fire on even most of the floors.
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5th September 2010, 01:34 PM	#144
bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	What do you think AJ ? The final proof that some kind of invisible force was at work ?
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5th September 2010, 01:36 PM	#145
Sivan Kurzberg Banned Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 156	Originally Posted by AJM8125 And she later amended her statement to say she was actually in the collapse of WTC 2. Thanks for clearing that up. It doesn't mean it's what caused the cars to blow up nor does she claim this. You're welcome.
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5th September 2010, 01:44 PM	#146
TexasJack Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 10,881	Let me get this straight, the perps were trying to blow up cars to bring down the towers?

5th September 2010, 01:46 PM	#147
Disbelief Master Poster Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,272	Originally Posted by Sivan Kurzberg He's entitled to his opinion of "fully engaged". From the pictures readily available to anyone I would say no. The building was not fully engaged with fire on even most of the floors. So when you said this: Originally Posted by Sivan What's the count up to now for debunkers on the number of witnesses that are mistaken or don't know what they experienced? Just curious. You sound as if you were there and she wasn't. But that's typical around here isn't it? You did not really mean it? Why the double standard? The firefighters were there and you weren't. Also, which firefighters were in on it, as you alluded to with this statement: Originally Posted by Sivan I also have no doubt some people knew it was coming down.
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5th September 2010, 01:48 PM	#148
AJM8125 NWO Black Ops Tagger Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: **** Creek, California Posts: 15,255	Originally Posted by Sivan Kurzberg It doesn't mean it's what caused the cars to blow up nor does she claim this. You're welcome. Yes, yes it does. Reading comprehension was never a hallmark of the truth movement.

5th September 2010, 01:52 PM	#149
AJM8125 NWO Black Ops Tagger Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: **** Creek, California Posts: 15,255	Originally Posted by TexasJack Let me get this straight, the perps were trying to blow up cars to bring down the towers? Like I said, it's all they have left, now that Jennings and Hess have been taken away - notice they don't want to talk about that and have derailed the thread because some cars caught fire and that's, you know, one of them spooky inside job clues that the darn NWO keeps leaving around.

5th September 2010, 02:03 PM	#150
AJM8125 NWO Black Ops Tagger Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: **** Creek, California Posts: 15,255	Originally Posted by bill smith Great stuff Sivan, That link works now. Thanks. PS the attached picture shows the collapsed WTC7. This is Vesey street. Which side of the pile is West Broadway left or right ? http://www.thewebfairy.com/killtown/...uer/wtc7-1.JPG The attached picture is not Vessey street. It's West Broadway and Barclay. The building in the foreground that the debris pile is against is Fiterman Hall, to left is The US Post Office. The buildings in the background at the end of the street are the remains of buildings 5 and 6.

5th September 2010, 02:04 PM	#151
bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	Originally Posted by AJM8125 Like I said, it's all they have left, now that Jennings and Hess have been taken away - notice they don't want to talk about that and have derailed the thread because some cars caught fire and that's, you know, one of them spooky inside job clues that the darn NWO keeps leaving around. Did you look at the 1:18 second mark in the video (see hyperlink). That looks like what the aboriginies call a willy-willy. It's like a mini tornado. The thing is I think Judy Wood talked about something similar on 9/11. http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php...0&postcount=75 hyperlink ''....een kleine, relatief zwakke wervelwind die op warme dagen kan ontstaan door convectie in de lucht boven een sterk opgewarmd oppervlak'' Translation: A small,relatively weak whirlwind that can arise by vonvection in the air above a strongly heated surface. http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stofhoos It's getting more and more interesting AJ isn't it ?
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5th September 2010, 02:15 PM	#152
BigAl Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,398	Originally Posted by bill smith Did you look at the 1:18 second mark in the video (see hyperlink). That looks like what the aboriginies call a willy-willy. It's like a mini tornado. The thing is I think Judy Wood talked about something similar on 9/11. http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php...0&postcount=75 hyperlink Or it was a very typical windy corner in Manhattan that happened to have the smoke and dust from WTC to stir up and blow around.
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5th September 2010, 02:18 PM	#153
AJM8125 NWO Black Ops Tagger Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: **** Creek, California Posts: 15,255	Originally Posted by BigAl Or it was a very typical windy corner in Manhattan that happened to have the smoke and dust from WTC to stir up and blow around. We have those around our buildings too and so far, the NWO has spared us.

5th September 2010, 02:27 PM	#154
bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	Originally Posted by AJM8125 The attached picture is not Vessey street. It's West Broadway and Barclay. The building in the foreground that the debris pile is against is Fiterman Hall, to left is The US Post Office. The buildings in the background at the end of the street are the remains of buildings 5 and 6. So this is the street where we saw all the burning cars and where Barry Jennings broke the window. The side that we are all accustomed to seeing in the collapse videos. The North side.
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5th September 2010, 02:33 PM	#155
bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	Originally Posted by AJM8125 The attached picture is not Vessey street. It's West Broadway and Barclay. The building in the foreground that the debris pile is against is Fiterman Hall, to left is The US Post Office. The buildings in the background at the end of the street are the remains of buildings 5 and 6. You know AJ looking at the width of the street I can't see cars being parked on both sides Can you ? Look at the guy crossing the street for example. It looked much wider in the video with the burning cars and Hess,
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