Have You Ever Been Scamed Buying A Magic Product?

[Lavie Enrose]

Brown posted this in another thread, but it got me thinking, so I decided to start a new thread on this subject. Here is the quote from, Brown:

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Originally posted by Brown
My comments about video were prompted by the fact that I recently "built" a magic item that looks like a normal, everyday item but has a secret gimmick that alows the item to do something bizarre. When I saw the magic item demonstrated on television, the secret gimmick was absolutely invisible. Even if you knew where to look, you couldn't see it. But when I built the item myself, I found that the secret gimmick wasn't all that hard to see, and a live observer could quickly spot it. The trick with this item, I concluded, is one that looks great on video but not so great in real life.

Brown,

Do you feel you were scamed by purchasing this magic product?

We all have bought magic tricks that we found were a waste of money when we tried them after we bought them because they were just bad tricks. But I find it hard to believe the seller of this magic product did not know that it would not 'work' if performed live.

Edit: I should add for those not familar with purchasing magic tricks, it is usually not possible to return a tried magic trick for a refund because the trick has been learned. Usually, you can only exchange a defective trick for the same trick.

[NoZed Avenger]

With apologies to Charlie Brown:

Of all the areas where caveat emptor applies, magic shops are the caveat emptoriest.

[Lavie Enrose]

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Originally posted by NoZed Avenger
With apologies to Charlie Brown:

Of all the areas where caveat emptor applies, magic shops are the caveat emptoriest.

Very true.

[Brown]

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Originally posted by Lavie Enrose
Do you feel you were scamed by purchasing this magic product?

No, not really. This one trick I mentioned was part of a package of tricks. Most of the tricks in the package were pretty lame, but there were one or two really good ones.

This gimmicked item was a "make it yourself" item, and there is no question that the seller of the package touted the gimmicked item as one of the best tricks in the package. The trick looks swell from ten feet away, but it was advertised as a "close-up" trick, even though it does not stand up to close scrutiny.

Many, many years ago, however, I did get scammed by an overpriced piece of magic apparatus. I was a kid and didn't have much money, and this trick took a good chunk of my disposable savings. When I got the trick home and saw the apparatus, I realized that the trick was unbelievably lame. The apparatus used a technique that was NOT used by professional magicians to achieve a similar effect. The secret was transparently obvious, and the apparatus only worked in one way... and even then, it didn't work all that well.

Later that same year, I got a Christmas present from my cousin: a piece of magic apparatus (a different apparatus) made by the very same company. I assumed (having already been severely disappointed by this company) that this trick was worthless as well, and threw the apparatus in a drawer and forgot about it. But about ten years later, I realized that professional magicians (including Randi, Penn and Teller) DO use this apparatus in their acts to great effect! (Randi used it on the "Tonight Show," and Penn and Teller used it on "Don't Try This At Home.") I have since retrieved this prop from the drawer and have had a great time using it.

[bignickel]

Well:
1. I'm not a magician, more of a magic afficiando
2. My dad bought the trick for less than $5, and gave it to me

This trick was called 'keybender' and it's trick was... well, you know, to bend keys with 'your mind' etc.

Well, I got a bunch of crap keys from a hardware store to practice on.

I haven't bent one yet.

I'm not even sure the governor of California could use the gimmick to bend keys, so much force is needed. Either that, or you need special keys (and the little booklet mentions nothing about them).

[epepke]

This is one reason I dislike the "don't give away secrets" code of honor schtick. Back when kids could buy magic tricks for a nickel, that was one thing. Now that they have to shell out twenty bucks for a badly xeroxed piece of paper and a badly made piece of equipment, it's much harder to justify.

[thatguywhojuggles]

What kills me about magic tricks that you buy are the instructions that come with them. It's hard to believe that someone clever enough to come up with some of these tricks has such poor writing skills.

[Brown]

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Originally posted by thatguywhojuggles
What kills me about magic tricks that you buy are the instructions that come with them. It's hard to believe that someone clever enough to come up with some of these tricks has such poor writing skills.

There have been many times when I have read the "secret" behind a trick, or watched the trick "explained" on video, and could not figure out how the trick was done.

For example, when I was a kid, I got a magic book from my sister. One of the tricks in the book was a coin trick, and to this day I have no idea how to do that trick. The procedure described in the book makes no sense.

There's another trick ("taught" on video by a prominent professional magician) that escapes me. I watched his video a couple dozen times and tried to duplicate what he was doing, but was unsuccessful. Eventually, I just gave up. Plain and simple, the trick did not work as explained. (I suspect that the editors of the video edited out at least one crucial step.)

Another trick ("taught" by the late Bill Bixby during a series of magical shows) was frustrating because Bill explained the trick in a hurry and the camera did not show the secret. After a long time experimenting, I figured out the trick on my own (and I'm glad I did... it is a good one).

[Lavie Enrose]

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Originally posted by Brown
For example, when I was a kid, I got a magic book from my sister. One of the tricks in the book was a coin trick, and to this day I have no idea how to do that trick. The procedure described in the book makes no sense.

That reminds me of the opening paragraph to the soda can trick in the book, Penn And Teller: How To Play In Traffic.

[Yahweh]

There is a "Spiritual Healing" shop a little ways away (about a 20 minute drive), I've been thinking of going there and buying something like healing stone or a crystal ball... just for fun.

Hey, some of those healing stones are really pretty and make good gifts...

[richardm]

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Originally posted by Yahweh
There is a "Spiritual Healing" shop a little ways away (about a 20 minute drive), I've been thinking of going there and buying something like healing stone or a crystal ball... just for fun.

Hey, some of those healing stones are really pretty and make good gifts...

Yep. Take a D-Lite with you. Idly pick up the crystals and put them down. For one of them, use the D-Lite, and then put the crystal down disinterestedly as though nothing had happened. Listen for gibbering noises from other persons in shop.

[Soapy Sam]

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Originally posted by thatguywhojuggles
What kills me about magic tricks that you buy are the instructions that come with them. It's hard to believe that someone clever enough to come up with some of these tricks has such poor writing skills.

I have often thought the same about computer software help files.

[Brown]

I recently saw a show that included a feature about people selling magic tricks. The salesmen (yes, all men) would typically give demonstrations of the tricks they were selling.

Some of the demonstrations and tricks were pretty good. Others were not.

One of the presenters showed a trick that required no skill to perform. The trick was all right, but not all that great. It was obvious that the trick was based upon a prop.

When asked how much the trick cost, the presenter answered: $25. That was ridiculous! I could easily build the prop myself in less than an hour using materials I already have in my house. Anyone who paid $25 for that trick would feel cheated.

Another presenter showed a trick that required some skill to perform, and was really a pretty good trick. This trick included a prop that I could not make at home. The price for this trick was $10. This price seemed much more reasonable.

[Brown]

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Originally posted by me
I recently saw a show that included a feature about people selling magic tricks. The salesmen (yes, all men) would typically give demonstrations of the tricks they were selling.

Some of the demonstrations and tricks were pretty good. Others were not.

One of the presenters showed a trick that required no skill to perform. The trick was all right, but not all that great. It was obvious that the trick was based upon a prop.

When asked how much the trick cost, the presenter answered: $25. That was ridiculous! I could easily build the prop myself in less than an hour using materials I already have in my house. Anyone who paid $25 for that trick would feel cheated.

While in Vegas, I happened to find myself at the magicians convention. There were at least two rooms devoted to the sale of magic tricks. One of the tricks offered for sale used the prop that I mentioned above, but it wasn't selling for $25. Rather, it was on sale for nearly twice that amount!

Also while in Vegas, I bought some magical props at local magic stores in the various hotels/casinos. There was one particular trick that I rather liked, but it was being performed in a slightly darkened room (all of the magic stores present their tricks under slightly darkened conditions). Before I bought the trick, I asked the gentleman presenting it two questions: (1) Can it be performed close up, under very close scrutiny? (2) Can it be performed in bright light, such as the light in a hotel conference room? I was assured that the answer to both questions was "yes." So I bought the trick, thinking I could perform it at TAM2.

The honest answer to both questions should have been "no." I discovered that the more ambient light that you have available, the more distance you need to have between yourself and the spectators. The trick cannot be performed close up under well-lit or sunshine conditions. Even when lighting is dimmed, the trick is risky if performed close up.

I did not perform the trick at TAM2, because controlling the distance from the spectators would be difficult. (I did perform some other close-up magic at TAM2, but these were effects that can withstand very close scrutiny under good lighting conditions.)

Now, the trick I bought is still a pretty good trick, and on the whole, I'm glad I bought it. It just is not a great close-up trick, and the questions I had for the presenter were directly bearing upon that question. (Mr. Lance Burton, please take note. It was in the magic shop next to your theatre in which this incident occurred.)

[Voob]

Brown, I'm curious about the effect you bought. What is it called?