My humble little youtube debunking project

Edx · 2nd July 2009, 11:05 PM

Im going through Zeitgeists 911 conspiracy theories one claim at a time and I'll probably need input from you guys at points.

Took longer than I imagined especially as I had to use crappy MS Movie Maker.

Well its nothing you guys havent heard before, it doesnt include info on the actual manifests we have but figured I could add that at another time since I figure whats here debunks the claim enough.

So anyways, for what its worth:

Flight Manifests:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TU2CVKtooxo

And yes I know I stole the feel of the thing from RKOwens7.

Also, if you find any errors, typos or have any suggestions, let me know.

BigBird · 3rd July 2009, 12:31 AM

Excellent video. Just another example of simple explanations for the ludicrous CT claims out there... Thanks for sharing!

Edx · 3rd July 2009, 02:38 AM

Thanks for watching!

Glad you liked it

Tweeter · 3rd July 2009, 03:18 AM

I dont know why you bother,ED.
Watching your video that is a little over 2 minutes long i found a mistake.
You say the Boston Globe had the seating arrangements which had the hijackers names and it was NOT a manifest. But we clearly see in the top left corner "American Airlines Flight Manifest". Debunked.

Dave Rogers · 3rd July 2009, 03:33 AM

Originally Posted by Tweeter

You say the Boston Globe had the seating arrangements which had the hijackers names and it was NOT a manifest. But we clearly see in the top left corner "American Airlines Flight Manifest". Debunked.

So your claim is that the hijackers' names were correctly listed on the official flight manifest?

Dave

T.A.M. · 3rd July 2009, 05:10 AM

Originally Posted by Dave Rogers

So your claim is that the hijackers' names were correctly listed on the official flight manifest?

Dave

Trolling knows no sides.

TAM

Edx · 3rd July 2009, 05:28 AM

Originally Posted by Tweeter

I dont know why you bother,ED.
Watching your video that is a little over 2 minutes long i found a mistake.
You say the Boston Globe had the seating arrangements which had the hijackers names and it was NOT a manifest. But we clearly see in the top left corner "American Airlines Flight Manifest". Debunked.

It was not a proper manifest, Tweeter.

Secondly, if I thought the picture was an official "flight manifest" rather than just the seating arrangement that would be even better for my argument and make DRG even more wrong, wouldnt it?

Edx · 3rd July 2009, 05:38 AM

Tweeter,

There, I added some annotations, happy now?

FineWine · 3rd July 2009, 07:13 AM

Originally Posted by Tweeter

I dont know why you bother,ED.
Watching your video that is a little over 2 minutes long i found a mistake.
You say the Boston Globe had the seating arrangements which had the hijackers names and it was NOT a manifest. But we clearly see in the top left corner "American Airlines Flight Manifest". Debunked.

You are REALLY bad at this stuff.

RedIbis · 3rd July 2009, 07:24 AM

The debunking of the DRG claim is effective but the text goes by way too fast, it's too small, and you have proofreading errors.

Edx · 3rd July 2009, 09:43 AM

Thanks for the input RedIbis, I'll be making a new version which I'll be putting up along with part 2. I'll take into consideration the time aspects, thanks

alienentity · 3rd July 2009, 09:54 AM

Nice work! I agree you could leave your text up longer. One can always freeze the vid though!!!

Tweeter, you're hilarious! Are you deliberately trying to make truthers look silly? If so, bravo..

Brainster · 3rd July 2009, 01:17 PM

Good job, I will post at SLC. BTW, something of a logical fallacy here:

Quote:

Is David R. Griffin incompetent, or did he omit this information on purpose?

False dichotomy; Griffin is incompetent and he omitted this information on purpose.

McHrozni · 3rd July 2009, 01:28 PM

Content is good, but the pace is too quick. Let the text stay on a little bit longer in most cases, maybe by as much as 50% more time. Right now it can be a bit difficult to follow and there is nothing wrong in letting the damning words linger on screen

Fade in and out would be nice too

Other than that, great work

Oh and, something to help you a bit, in case you don't know it yet:
http://www.conspiracyscience.com/articles/zeitgeist/

McHrozni

Bobert · 3rd July 2009, 03:59 PM

I would give it a fresh tomato.

Edx · 3rd July 2009, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by McHrozni

Content is good, but the pace is too quick. Let the text stay on a little bit longer in most cases, maybe by as much as 50% more time. Right now it can be a bit difficult to follow and there is nothing wrong in letting the damning words linger on screen

Fade in and out would be nice too

Ok this seems an over all consensus and I definitely will be doing this next time

Thanks for the input!

Quote:

Oh and, something to help you a bit, in case you don't know it yet:
http://www.conspiracyscience.com/articles/zeitgeist/

McHrozni

Actually I find this not so great, most of the 911 stuff is good but lacking and theres even a few errors i noticed. I prefer 911myths, debunking911, here and Mark Roberts etc

Plus Im not doing Part 1, I actually dont think the topics covered are given enough credit.

McHrozni · 4th July 2009, 01:24 AM

Quote:

Ok this seems an over all consensus and I definitely will be doing this next time Thanks for the input!

You're perfectly welcome

I'll subscribe to your channel now.

Originally Posted by Edx

Actually I find this not so great, most of the 911 stuff is good but lacking and theres even a few errors i noticed. I prefer 911myths, debunking911, here and Mark Roberts etc

It's not nearly as in-depth about 9/11 as 911myths for example, but it tackles the rest of the Zeitgeist quite well.

Just in case you ever decide to debunk the rest of the movie in such clips

*hint*

McHrozni

Edx · 4th July 2009, 03:07 AM

Originally Posted by Brainster

Good job, I will post at SLC. BTW, something of a logical fallacy here:

False dichotomy; Griffin is incompetent and he omitted this information on purpose.

Yes I see it now, I will add that to my revision list cheers.

Edx · 4th July 2009, 03:12 AM

Btw if anyone here can point me to the most RECENT example of Griffin using this claim it would be interesting to include that at the end.

knife fight colobus · 4th July 2009, 09:06 AM

Pretty solid. I agree with everyone about the text needing to be on a bit longer. I also think it could be a little bigger and/or thicker.

Edx · 8th July 2009, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by Edx

Btw if anyone here can point me to the most RECENT example of Griffin using this claim it would be interesting to include that at the end.

bump. if anyone knows the answer to the above I'd appreciate it.

Edx · 9th July 2009, 12:42 PM

Just in case anyone missed it go here for the new version. I wont spam this thread anymore

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=147662

2nd July 2009, 11:05 PM	#1
Edx Muse Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 970	My humble little youtube debunking project Im going through Zeitgeists 911 conspiracy theories one claim at a time and I'll probably need input from you guys at points. Took longer than I imagined especially as I had to use crappy MS Movie Maker. Well its nothing you guys havent heard before, it doesnt include info on the actual manifests we have but figured I could add that at another time since I figure whats here debunks the claim enough. So anyways, for what its worth: Flight Manifests: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TU2CVKtooxo And yes I know I stole the feel of the thing from RKOwens7. Also, if you find any errors, typos or have any suggestions, let me know.
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3rd July 2009, 12:31 AM	#2
BigBird Scholar Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 50	Excellent video. Just another example of simple explanations for the ludicrous CT claims out there... Thanks for sharing!
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3rd July 2009, 02:38 AM	#3
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3rd July 2009, 03:18 AM	#4
Tweeter Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 791	I dont know why you bother,ED. Watching your video that is a little over 2 minutes long i found a mistake. You say the Boston Globe had the seating arrangements which had the hijackers names and it was NOT a manifest. But we clearly see in the top left corner "American Airlines Flight Manifest". Debunked.
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3rd July 2009, 03:33 AM	#5
Dave Rogers The Unbanned Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Notlob Posts: 7,484	Originally Posted by Tweeter You say the Boston Globe had the seating arrangements which had the hijackers names and it was NOT a manifest. But we clearly see in the top left corner "American Airlines Flight Manifest". Debunked. So your claim is that the hijackers' names were correctly listed on the official flight manifest? Dave
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3rd July 2009, 05:10 AM	#6
T.A.M. Keeper of the Kool-Vax Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Far East...of Canada Posts: 17,431	Originally Posted by Dave Rogers So your claim is that the hijackers' names were correctly listed on the official flight manifest? Dave Trolling knows no sides. TAM
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3rd July 2009, 05:28 AM	#7
Edx Muse Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 970	Originally Posted by Tweeter I dont know why you bother,ED. Watching your video that is a little over 2 minutes long i found a mistake. You say the Boston Globe had the seating arrangements which had the hijackers names and it was NOT a manifest. But we clearly see in the top left corner "American Airlines Flight Manifest". Debunked. It was not a proper manifest, Tweeter. Secondly, if I thought the picture was an official "flight manifest" rather than just the seating arrangement that would be even better for my argument and make DRG even more wrong, wouldnt it?
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3rd July 2009, 05:38 AM	#8
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3rd July 2009, 07:13 AM	#9
FineWine Suspended Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,070	Originally Posted by Tweeter I dont know why you bother,ED. Watching your video that is a little over 2 minutes long i found a mistake. You say the Boston Globe had the seating arrangements which had the hijackers names and it was NOT a manifest. But we clearly see in the top left corner "American Airlines Flight Manifest". Debunked. You are REALLY bad at this stuff.
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3rd July 2009, 07:24 AM	#10
RedIbis Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 4,560	The debunking of the DRG claim is effective but the text goes by way too fast, it's too small, and you have proofreading errors.
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3rd July 2009, 09:43 AM	#11
Edx Muse Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 970	Thanks for the input RedIbis, I'll be making a new version which I'll be putting up along with part 2. I'll take into consideration the time aspects, thanks
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3rd July 2009, 09:54 AM	#12
alienentity Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,131	Nice work! I agree you could leave your text up longer. One can always freeze the vid though!!! Tweeter, you're hilarious! Are you deliberately trying to make truthers look silly? If so, bravo..
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3rd July 2009, 01:17 PM	#13
Brainster Philosopher Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,768	Good job, I will post at SLC. BTW, something of a logical fallacy here: Quote: Is David R. Griffin incompetent, or did he omit this information on purpose? False dichotomy; Griffin is incompetent and he omitted this information on purpose.
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3rd July 2009, 01:28 PM	#14
McHrozni Muse Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 600	Content is good, but the pace is too quick. Let the text stay on a little bit longer in most cases, maybe by as much as 50% more time. Right now it can be a bit difficult to follow and there is nothing wrong in letting the damning words linger on screen Fade in and out would be nice too Other than that, great work Oh and, something to help you a bit, in case you don't know it yet: http://www.conspiracyscience.com/articles/zeitgeist/ McHrozni
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Edx Muse Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 970	Originally Posted by McHrozni Content is good, but the pace is too quick. Let the text stay on a little bit longer in most cases, maybe by as much as 50% more time. Right now it can be a bit difficult to follow and there is nothing wrong in letting the damning words linger on screen Fade in and out would be nice too Ok this seems an over all consensus and I definitely will be doing this next time Thanks for the input! Quote: Oh and, something to help you a bit, in case you don't know it yet: http://www.conspiracyscience.com/articles/zeitgeist/ McHrozni Actually I find this not so great, most of the 911 stuff is good but lacking and theres even a few errors i noticed. I prefer 911myths, debunking911, here and Mark Roberts etc Plus Im not doing Part 1, I actually dont think the topics covered are given enough credit.
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4th July 2009, 01:24 AM	#17
McHrozni Muse Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 600	Quote: Ok this seems an over all consensus and I definitely will be doing this next time Thanks for the input! You're perfectly welcome I'll subscribe to your channel now. Originally Posted by Edx Actually I find this not so great, most of the 911 stuff is good but lacking and theres even a few errors i noticed. I prefer 911myths, debunking911, here and Mark Roberts etc It's not nearly as in-depth about 9/11 as 911myths for example, but it tackles the rest of the Zeitgeist quite well. Just in case you ever decide to debunk the rest of the movie in such clips hint McHrozni
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4th July 2009, 03:07 AM	#18
Edx Muse Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 970	Originally Posted by Brainster Good job, I will post at SLC. BTW, something of a logical fallacy here: False dichotomy; Griffin is incompetent and he omitted this information on purpose. Yes I see it now, I will add that to my revision list cheers.
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4th July 2009, 03:12 AM	#19
Edx Muse Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 970	Btw if anyone here can point me to the most RECENT example of Griffin using this claim it would be interesting to include that at the end.
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4th July 2009, 09:06 AM	#20
knife fight colobus Critical Thinker Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: The middle of freaking Frat Island Posts: 385	Pretty solid. I agree with everyone about the text needing to be on a bit longer. I also think it could be a little bigger and/or thicker.

8th July 2009, 10:56 AM	#21
Edx Muse Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 970	Originally Posted by Edx Btw if anyone here can point me to the most RECENT example of Griffin using this claim it would be interesting to include that at the end. bump. if anyone knows the answer to the above I'd appreciate it.
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9th July 2009, 12:42 PM	#22
Edx Muse Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 970	Just in case anyone missed it go here for the new version. I wont spam this thread anymore http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=147662
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