I could not care less about the 4th of July

realpaladin · 4th July 2009, 01:42 PM

I am a subject of HM Beatrix van Oranje!

RandFan · 4th July 2009, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by realpaladin

I am a subject of HM Beatrix van Oranje!

Dancing David · 4th July 2009, 03:03 PM

It is a uniquely US thing.

Go Orange!

Me Irish is Scot's presbyters who left Ireand ASAP.

I am your regular US mutt.

rjh01 · 4th July 2009, 10:22 PM

Happy independence day to USA.

Ysidro · 5th July 2009, 05:18 AM

I am from the USA but would care more if I wasn't stuck at work.

Twiler · 5th July 2009, 05:57 AM

I'm not especially bothered by it.

Mikister · 6th July 2009, 09:58 PM

I can't tolerate banal nationalism.

MG1962 · 6th July 2009, 10:07 PM

It was my first 4th of July celebration and I was really disapointed - seemed in these parts, huge amounts of drinking and blowing stuff is the norm

JoeyDonuts · 6th July 2009, 10:15 PM

Disappointed? What the hell did you expect, a lovely low-volume tea party where we all sip with our pinkies extended and complain about "the rabble?"

This is America! We drink beer and blow things up. For funsies, mostly.

RandFan · 6th July 2009, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by JoeyDonuts

This is America! We drink beer and blow things up. For funsies, mostly.

What we need right now is a song about the American Dream.

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Kevin_Lowe · 6th July 2009, 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by MG1962

...blowing stuff is the norm...

Sounds like my kind of party!

Damien Evans · 6th July 2009, 11:31 PM

God save the queen and her facist regime!

No, wait, that's not how it goes...

Erm, mumble mumble mumble girt mumble sea?

Sideroxylon · 6th July 2009, 11:54 PM

Originally Posted by Damien Evans

God save the queen and her facist regime!

No, wait, that's not how it goes...

Erm, mumble mumble mumble girt mumble sea?

Doesn't it go like this?

*cue atmospheric '80s synth*
Standing at the limit of an endless ocean ...

KingMerv00 · 7th July 2009, 01:35 AM

Originally Posted by Mikister

I can't tolerate banal nationalism.

Don't overthink the issue.

Christmas is about gifts.
Easter is about rabbits and eggs.
Halloween is about candy and costumes.

etc etc etc

JoeyDonuts · 7th July 2009, 04:53 AM

The Fourth of July is about spinning globes of multicolored fire and sparks.

'Cos napalm sticks to kids....

Shrike · 7th July 2009, 05:35 AM

Hallo!

realpaladin · 7th July 2009, 05:38 AM

Moge!

Damien Evans · 7th July 2009, 05:38 AM

Originally Posted by Sideroxylon

Doesn't it go like this?

*cue atmospheric '80s synth*
Standing at the limit of an endless ocean ...

Staring like a runaway lost at sea...

Yeah, that's the one.

RandFan · 7th July 2009, 06:10 AM

Originally Posted by Mikister

I can't tolerate banal nationalism.

Agreed. I don't like jingoism either. Thankfully, the simple love of one's country doesn't automatically equate to either.

politas · 7th July 2009, 09:15 AM

I am not from the USA, but I do care about the 4th of July, as it my parent's wedding anniversary.

MG1962 · 7th July 2009, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by Damien Evans

Staring like a runaway lost at sea...

Yeah, that's the one.

Do you know that song was written as a face plant for Men At Works, Down Under?

Mikister · 7th July 2009, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Agreed. I don't like jingoism either. Thankfully, the simple love of one's country doesn't automatically equate to either.

Though I agree with this statement, your profile picture displays a constantly waving flag, which I would qualify as banal nationalism.

realpaladin · 7th July 2009, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by Mikister

Though I agree with this statement, your profile picture displays a constantly waving flag, which I would qualify as banal nationalism.

Nah, he just likes 'them thar purdy collers!'

JimBenArm · 7th July 2009, 10:59 AM

Well, the United States, in her generous and giving spirit, has allowed all you foreign types to celebrate or not celebrate our Independence Day as you see fit. However, we are keeping tabs on those who don't celebrate with appropriate enthusiasm. Just a gentle reminder...

realpaladin · 7th July 2009, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by JimBenArm

Well, the United States, in her generous and giving spirit, has allowed all you foreign types to celebrate or not celebrate our Independence Day as you see fit. However, we are keeping tabs on those who don't celebrate with appropriate enthusiasm. Just a gentle reminder...

We were liberated by the Canadians, so

JimBenArm · 7th July 2009, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by realpaladin

We were liberated by the Canadians, so

I'm watching you!

realpaladin · 7th July 2009, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by JimBenArm

I'm watching you!

At your own risk; I am not responsible for any damages arising from that activity

JimBenArm · 7th July 2009, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by realpaladin

At your own risk; I am not responsible for any damages arising from that activity

It's okay. I have special lenses that protect me.

realpaladin · 7th July 2009, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by JimBenArm

It's okay. I have special lenses that protect me.

X-ray or total black-out?

Praktik · 7th July 2009, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by realpaladin

We were liberated by the Canadians, so

So were you out partying on July 1st??

JimBenArm · 7th July 2009, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by realpaladin

X-ray or total black-out?

Who said that?

realpaladin · 7th July 2009, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by Praktik

So were you out partying on July 1st??

No, practical as we are, we use the 5th of may for that, the day after we remember the dead and 5 days after we celebrate the Queen's birthday.

Basically it means a week off

autumn1971 · 7th July 2009, 12:46 PM

Even though the 4th has been largely hijacked by "banal nationalism", the Declaration of Independence is pretty worthy of celebration.

realpaladin · 7th July 2009, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by autumn1971

Even though the 4th has been largely hijacked by "banal nationalism", the Declaration of Independence is pretty worthy of celebration.

I think you want to go over to RandFan's thread 'I endorse the 4th of July'

No discussion about it's worthiness or not from me here, just that it does not touch my life other than some good movies and great spectacle whenever I am over

RandFan · 7th July 2009, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by Mikister

Though I agree with this statement, your profile picture displays a constantly waving flag, which I would qualify as banal nationalism.

I had to look up banal nationalism. The context is the 4th of July. I don't, day to day, make such displays. My flag avatar usually disapears the week after the 4th.

But let's accept, for arguments sake, that this single incident during a week of rememberence (my week) represents banal nationalism, and I think that argument can be made. What of it? Is love of country and expressing love of country only pernicious, only malignant?

I think such banal iconography and actions become problematic when those who dissent are disenfranchised. Who are not accorded a voice.

We are social creatures and we evolved to find solidarity and comfort in famliarity. It can and often does breed social cohesion.

I don't care for the term "banal nationalism" but I understand it. In any event, I have contempt for black and white thinking that can only find evil in such shared social activities. So long as we also strive for tolerance and acceptance of others we can mitigate such negative aspects.

Yeggster · 7th July 2009, 01:21 PM

I'm from Canada but we alway have a party on July 4th ... it's our son's Birthday!

He was the survivor of twins and a preemi and not expected to live, he beat the odds and is a regular everyday kid (OK a little on the genius side

) ... he is 11 years old this year.

JoeyDonuts · 7th July 2009, 07:48 PM

Originally Posted by RandFan

I had to look up banal nationalism. The context is the 4th of July. I don't, day to day, make such displays. My flag avatar usually disapears the week after the 4th.

But let's accept, for arguments sake, that this single incident during a week of rememberence (my week) represents banal nationalism, and I think that argument can be made. What of it? Is love of country and expressing love of country only pernicious, only malignant?

I think such banal iconography and actions become problematic when those who dissent are disenfranchised. Who are not accorded a voice.

We are social creatures and we evolved to find solidarity and comfort in famliarity. It can and often does breed social cohesion.

I don't care for the term "banal nationalism" but I understand it. In any event, I have contempt for black and white thinking that can only find evil in such shared social activities. So long as we also strive for tolerance and acceptance of others we can mitigate such negative aspects.

What he said.

realpaladin · 8th July 2009, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by Yeggster

I'm from Canada but we alway have a party on July 4th ... it's our son's Birthday!

He was the survivor of twins and a preemi and not expected to live, he beat the odds and is a regular everyday kid (OK a little on the genius side

) ... he is 11 years old this year.

If you are ever in Haarlem, Netherlands, try go get a taxidriver Chielie, he is with Taxi Adriaan, and he will pay the fare of your ride out of his own pocket.

His way of saying thanks.

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4th July 2009, 01:42 PM	#1
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4th July 2009, 01:44 PM	#2
RandFan Mormon Atheist Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 53,086	Originally Posted by realpaladin I am a subject of HM Beatrix van Oranje!
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4th July 2009, 03:03 PM	#3
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5th July 2009, 05:18 AM	#5
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5th July 2009, 05:57 AM	#6
Twiler Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 2,494	I'm not especially bothered by it.
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6th July 2009, 09:58 PM	#7
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6th July 2009, 10:07 PM	#8
MG1962 Guest Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kansas (Australia) Posts: 14,750	It was my first 4th of July celebration and I was really disapointed - seemed in these parts, huge amounts of drinking and blowing stuff is the norm

6th July 2009, 10:15 PM	#9
JoeyDonuts Frequencies Not Known To Normals Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 10,636	Disappointed? What the hell did you expect, a lovely low-volume tea party where we all sip with our pinkies extended and complain about "the rabble?" This is America! We drink beer and blow things up. For funsies, mostly.
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6th July 2009, 10:46 PM	#11
Kevin_Lowe Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Queensland Posts: 10,261	Originally Posted by MG1962 ...blowing stuff is the norm... Sounds like my kind of party!
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6th July 2009, 11:31 PM	#12
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KingMerv00 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Philadelphia, PA...USA Posts: 14,482	Originally Posted by Mikister I can't tolerate banal nationalism. Don't overthink the issue. Christmas is about gifts. Easter is about rabbits and eggs. Halloween is about candy and costumes. etc etc etc
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7th July 2009, 04:53 AM	#15
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7th July 2009, 05:38 AM	#17
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7th July 2009, 05:38 AM	#18
Damien Evans Up The Irons Tagger Join Date: May 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 25,270	Originally Posted by Sideroxylon Doesn't it go like this? cue atmospheric '80s synth Standing at the limit of an endless ocean ... Staring like a runaway lost at sea... Yeah, that's the one.
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7th July 2009, 06:10 AM	#19
RandFan Mormon Atheist Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 53,086	Originally Posted by Mikister I can't tolerate banal nationalism. Agreed. I don't like jingoism either. Thankfully, the simple love of one's country doesn't automatically equate to either.
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7th July 2009, 09:15 AM	#20
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7th July 2009, 09:31 AM	#21
MG1962 Guest Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kansas (Australia) Posts: 14,750	Originally Posted by Damien Evans Staring like a runaway lost at sea... Yeah, that's the one. Do you know that song was written as a face plant for Men At Works, Down Under?

7th July 2009, 10:43 AM	#22
Mikister Guest Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 52	Quote: Agreed. I don't like jingoism either. Thankfully, the simple love of one's country doesn't automatically equate to either. Though I agree with this statement, your profile picture displays a constantly waving flag, which I would qualify as banal nationalism.
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7th July 2009, 10:48 AM	#23
realpaladin Master Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: I live not very often where my home is. Posts: 2,084	Originally Posted by Mikister Though I agree with this statement, your profile picture displays a constantly waving flag, which I would qualify as banal nationalism. Nah, he just likes 'them thar purdy collers!'
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7th July 2009, 10:59 AM	#24
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7th July 2009, 11:03 AM	#25
realpaladin Master Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: I live not very often where my home is. Posts: 2,084	Originally Posted by JimBenArm Well, the United States, in her generous and giving spirit, has allowed all you foreign types to celebrate or not celebrate our Independence Day as you see fit. However, we are keeping tabs on those who don't celebrate with appropriate enthusiasm. Just a gentle reminder... We were liberated by the Canadians, so
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7th July 2009, 11:09 AM	#26
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7th July 2009, 11:14 AM	#27
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7th July 2009, 11:18 AM	#28
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7th July 2009, 11:21 AM	#29
realpaladin Master Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: I live not very often where my home is. Posts: 2,084	Originally Posted by JimBenArm It's okay. I have special lenses that protect me. X-ray or total black-out?
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7th July 2009, 12:13 PM	#30
Praktik Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Tee Dot Posts: 4,241	Originally Posted by realpaladin We were liberated by the Canadians, so So were you out partying on July 1st??
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7th July 2009, 12:14 PM	#31
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7th July 2009, 12:40 PM	#32
realpaladin Master Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: I live not very often where my home is. Posts: 2,084	Originally Posted by Praktik So were you out partying on July 1st?? No, practical as we are, we use the 5th of may for that, the day after we remember the dead and 5 days after we celebrate the Queen's birthday. Basically it means a week off
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7th July 2009, 12:46 PM	#33
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7th July 2009, 12:49 PM	#34
realpaladin Master Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: I live not very often where my home is. Posts: 2,084	Originally Posted by autumn1971 Even though the 4th has been largely hijacked by "banal nationalism", the Declaration of Independence is pretty worthy of celebration. I think you want to go over to RandFan's thread 'I endorse the 4th of July' No discussion about it's worthiness or not from me here, just that it does not touch my life other than some good movies and great spectacle whenever I am over
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7th July 2009, 01:12 PM	#35
RandFan Mormon Atheist Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 53,086	Originally Posted by Mikister Though I agree with this statement, your profile picture displays a constantly waving flag, which I would qualify as banal nationalism. I had to look up banal nationalism. The context is the 4th of July. I don't, day to day, make such displays. My flag avatar usually disapears the week after the 4th. But let's accept, for arguments sake, that this single incident during a week of rememberence (my week) represents banal nationalism, and I think that argument can be made. What of it? Is love of country and expressing love of country only pernicious, only malignant? I think such banal iconography and actions become problematic when those who dissent are disenfranchised. Who are not accorded a voice. We are social creatures and we evolved to find solidarity and comfort in famliarity. It can and often does breed social cohesion. I don't care for the term "banal nationalism" but I understand it. In any event, I have contempt for black and white thinking that can only find evil in such shared social activities. So long as we also strive for tolerance and acceptance of others we can mitigate such negative aspects.
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