Stubblebine Speaks...

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Originally Posted by bill smith

Wow T ....did you realise just how utterly qualified Stubbelbine is to speak on these matters ?

Yes. Assuming he isn't lying about measuring commie tanks from photos, then he is qualified to measure the size of the hole in the Pentagon.

This is how we know that General Stubblebine is lying. Alex Jones, Steven Jones, David Griffin are all morons talking well outside their areas of expertise (for those that have them). Stubblebine doesn't have that excuse. He is deliberately, willfully and knowingly lying about an attack on a US military installation.

In his case, he deserves some kind of punishment for that.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Originally Posted by bill smith

You are forgetting the 'yet'.

No... we aren't forgetting the "yet". You are forgetting the statistics on murder cases.

As a rule, if a murder suspect isn't tracked down within the first 72 hours, the probability that it will be solved drops dramatically and the case is likely to get put into the "cold" slot.

It's been eight years since 9/11 and your guys's investigation hasn't even started yet.

[triforcharity]

Yes it has started, but they just don't know what evidence means, so they are all very confused. That, and Bill keeps wanting to be their leader, but Ultima1 says he's more qualified.

[tfk]

Originally Posted by bill smith

Wow T ....did you realise just how utterly qualified Stubbelbine is to speak on these matters ? What was that again ?...'' Commander of of the entire U.S. army's worldwide intelligence activities ''..'' Supremely qualified in photo and satellite photo analysis '' And crazy as a loon, you say ?

lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daNr_TrBw6E

Wow bill.

Did you notice that he said that there were NO MARKS left by the wings of the plane on the outside walls of the Pentagon.

This is the same idiot who said that Flight 77 went thru 7, 8, 9 G turn. When we know it was a 1.1G turn.

Do you realize how utterly UNQUALIFIED this makes him?

I could care less what this guy did in 1984. (BTW, please provide independent validation of his role. Forgive my skepticism, but "because the bozo that put this video up on YouTube says it" doesn't satisfy...

tk

[tfk]

Originally Posted by bill smith

Maybe it's just a variation of walking on water ? lol. Whatever...we will get some eexcellent mileage from this video. Onwards and upwards boys.

And, of course, "getting milage" (aka, selling DVDs) is the name of the game.

How are those sales doing, bill?

Tom

[9/11-investigator]

No longer is the 9/11-truth movement confined to lefties who 'want to go after Bush'. Here is an old-style military man who says that F77 did not hit the Pentagon and that WTC came down by CD.

Stuff is heating up slowly...

I have potato chips and beer ready just in case the shooting of Capitol Hill by the military starts. It happened in Russia, it could easily happen in the US as well.

Brought to you by CNN.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0iry3fiHU4

[Caustic Logic]

Hahaha! Ol' Stubby! He's gonna live to be a million with health woo, but ever since he found out he COULD NOT walk through walls, he's a got a grudge against anything else claiming to have passed through a wall, even a 90-ton 757 at 530 mph hitting 13" of brick and limestone.

Not new, not helpful, wrong forum.

[theprestige]

I've been reading up on the Civil War. Apparently it's entirely possible to graduate from West Point and still be a nutjob.

Also, I'm pretty sure that being a General doesn't require any expertise at all in plane crash investigation or controlled demolition. So I don't really see how his military rank is at all relevant to his opinions about 9/11.

Unless... is it possible? Does he actually have some evidence?

But if that were true, why is he making YouTube videos instead of testifying before Congress (and/or going into hiding for fear of his life)?

[johnny karate]

The President of the United States says 9/11 was not an inside job.

You lose.

[JimBenArm]

Definitely not the model of the Modern Major General!

Sorry, someone had to say it...

[Caustic Logic]

Stubblebine apparently was a photo analyst guy in the Cold War and does have some kind of insight, if not into what was IN THESE pictures, than at least in looking AT pictures. The pictures clearly show the expected damage from a 757 crash. The pictures and his though "the hole is too small" etc. is his "evidence." Not even worth links - the guy is spooky/funny and either way out of it or a knowing clown.

[oldhat]

This is the same guy who was in "The Crazy Rulers of the World." The one who believed in ESP and being able to walk through walls.

[Thunder]

Originally Posted by oldhat

This is the same guy who was in "The Crazy Rulers of the World." The one who believed in ESP and being able to walk through walls.

just because he is crazy, senile, insane, irrational, and a nut, doesn't mean he is wrong about 9-11 being an inside job.

[Stellafane]

OK, lessee...a demented lunatic who may or may not know what century it is has bought into the Truther thing. Oh and yet another Truther has posted a picture that clearly demonstrates that he's either (1) lying, or (2) really, really misinformed.

Another fine day in Trutherland, Shucks, how can they even stand the pride and joy they must all be feeling right now?

[johnny karate]

Originally Posted by 9/11-investigator

Stuff is heating up slowly...

My nomination for Understatement of the Year. How pathetic and impotent is your movement when you're saying things like this almost a decade after the fact?

[INRM]

Well, the guy was a high ranking intelligence officer who was a photo analyst during the cold war, so he would have some insight into the issue.

But the guy has expressed interest in paranormal beliefs and other odd things as well.

So, it's really hard to judge... his assessments regarding interpretations of photos I would assume would be reliable, but who knows.


INRM

[DavidJames]

Originally Posted by INRM

So, it's really hard to judge... his assessments regarding interpretations of photos I would assume would be reliable, but who knows.

No, not hard to judge at all. Simply look at the facts. Based on reading the dozens of paranoid laden threads you started, if I were you, I would take a hard look at your thinking and reasoning abilities.

[T.A.M.]

For what it is worth, his history, to some degree, as a military officer, seems confirmed by the admission of such into a court document of his appeal of the award of his first wife's marital support, seen here.

http://www.courts.state.va.us/opinio...tx/1915944.txt

TAM

[T.A.M.]

Oh this guy is something else...

http://www.militaryremoteviewers.com...arch-tool.html

TAM

[INRM]

The hole looks big enough to fit the main fuselage, but now that I think about it -- it doesn't look like an object with the 757's span went through... from what I remember the span of a 757 was 124 feet roughly, it doesn't look anywhere near that big...

[T.A.M.]

Originally Posted by INRM

The hole looks big enough to fit the main fuselage, but now that I think about it -- it doesn't look like a winged object went through there... from what I remember the span of a 757 was 124 feet roughly, it doesn't look anywhere near that big...

Remember, life is not like coyote in loony toons. I am guessing that the wings were buckled back for the instant prior to their near disintigration.

Come on INRM, you are better, smarter than this. The whole "AA77 was too big to make that small hole" argument is so debunked, so 2006.

I am serious...

TAM

[bill smith]

Originally Posted by INRM

The hole looks big enough to fit the main fuselage, but now that I think about it -- it doesn't look like an object with the 757's span went through... from what I remember the span of a 757 was 124 feet roughly, it doesn't look anywhere near that big...

Come on man...it's obvious...the wings folded back and slid into the hole along with the fuselage..

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Originally Posted by INRM

The hole looks big enough to fit the main fuselage, but now that I think about it -- it doesn't look like a winged object went through there... from what I remember the span of a 757 was 124 feet roughly, it doesn't look anywhere near that big...

http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon...s/compmix2.jpg

ETA: http://911review.com/errors/pentagon/imgs/hole11.jpg

[T.A.M.]

Originally Posted by bill smith

Come on man...it's obvious...the wings folded back and slid into the hole along with the fuselage..

Sarcasm bill, yet crazy enough, to a certain degree, that is what likely happened. do you have a shred of proof that this is not possible?

Wait. Forget it. Of course you don't.

TAM

Edit:

Here is a picture for you bill.

http://blog.adhack.com/wp-content/up...te-geewhiz.jpg

TAM

[Björn Toulouse]

Originally Posted by 9/11-investigator

Stuff is heating up slowly...

Heating up? Did Stubblebine say anything any differently than what he said in 2006? Global warming heats faster than the TM.

[bill smith]

Originally Posted by INRM

The hole looks big enough to fit the main fuselage, but now that I think about it -- it doesn't look like an object with the 757's span went through... from what I remember the span of a 757 was 124 feet roughly, it doesn't look anywhere near that big...

Just watch this eye witness describing how the jet's wings folded back and slid into the hole along with he fuselage. Watch he way he describes how it looked with his fingers, It's pretty conclusive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0vxc...om=PL&index=43

[T.A.M.]

oh no, not mike walters the government shill. Bill now now, you know he is working for us-- I mean working for the NWO.

Come on, stop playing games.

TAM

[triforcharity]

INRM,

The only thing on a plane that would have made that size hole would have been the engines. Heck, it could have even been the landing gear of the plane. I don't know exactly.

But, I can tell you, that hole is not made from an intact plane. Not even without wings.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Originally Posted by Björn Toulouse

Heating up? Did Stubblebine say anything any differently than what he said in 2006?

Apparently saying the same thing you said 3 years ago is how the Truth™ Movement "turns up the heat".

* Cl1mh4224rd shivers.

Is it getting slightly less arctic in here?

[Mikister]

Upon checking his biography, I came across some unflattering information.

Quote:

Major General Albert "Bert" N. Stubblebine III was the commanding general of the United States Army Intelligence and Security Command from 1981 to 1984, when he retired from the Army. He is known for his interest in parapsychology and was a supporter of the Stargate Project.

Parapsychology is, as we all should know, complete nonsense. Yet he supported the Stargate Project, a military effort to research applications of psychic predictions, telepathy, and extra-sensory perception.

[Brainster]

I give credit to Stubblebine for his service to his country. And personally I am glad that the military had somebody looking into these psychic powers stuff, if only to eliminate it as a possibility. When Roosevelt was first approached about the A-Bomb, he could have dismissed it as too nutty to try; instead it ended WWII.

All that said, Stubblebine is a fruitcake. And from the portion on him that is in The Men Who Stare At Goats, I'd say he's been insane for a long time now.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Originally Posted by 9/11-investigator

I have potato chips and beer ready just in case the shooting of Capitol Hill by the military starts.

Violence and death are porn to you people, isn't it?

[leftysergeant]

Originally Posted by INRM

Well, the guy was a high ranking intelligence officer who was a photo analyst during the cold war, so he would have some insight into the issue.

Reagan and the Shrub were both POTUS, so they should have some insight into how to build an ecconomicly robust nation, in spite of one having Alzheimers and the other being an immature brai-damaged dry drunk bornm with a silver spoon in his mouth, right?

Sorry, his rank gets him nothing. It is possible to be promoted lightyears beyond your competency.

He didn't see wing marks on the Pentagon. Any rational person sees wing marks.

Then there is his sexual ethics. This guy makes Newt Gingrich look humane in the way he treated his sick wife after their divorce.

Stubby belongs under a freeway overpass with a bottle of Mad Dog 20/20 in his hand.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Originally Posted by bill smith

Just watch this eye witness describing how the jet's wings folded back and slid into the hole along with he fuselage. Watch he way he describes how it looked with his fingers, It's pretty conclusive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0vxc...om=PL&index=43

I watched the video, and it is conclusive.

He says he saw an American Airlines jet hit the Pentagon.

Case closed, thanks Bill.

[triforcharity]

They arae the same people who google for pictures of people's dead bodies that jumped from the tower. I saaw first hand the victims, its not something I will ever forget, or ever want to see again. EVER.

[theprestige]

Originally Posted by INRM

Well, the guy was a high ranking intelligence officer who was a photo analyst during the cold war, so he would have some insight into the issue.

But the guy has expressed interest in paranormal beliefs and other odd things as well.

So, it's really hard to judge... his assessments regarding interpretations of photos I would assume would be reliable, but who knows.


INRM

See, there's that "kernel of believability" thing, again. Sure, based on his background, it's believable that he'd be able to measure objects in photographs. And once you've swallowed that kernel of believability, he's hoping you'll go ahead and swallow the big fat lie he's shoveling in on top of it: That being able to measure things in photographs is the same thing as being able to analyze a plane crash.

But of course it isn't the same thing at all. The two have nothing to do with each other. Stubblebine has worked for the military, measuring things in photographs and managing large intelligence organizations. Has he ever worked for the NTSB as a plane crash investigator? Has he ever worked for the Army as a plane crash investigator? Is there anything about measuring things in photographs that sheds any light at all on what happens to a plane when it hits an obstacle?

No, no, and no. But you still want to swallow his big pile of lies, so you conveniently overlook just how unbelievable they are, and try to tell us it's "hard to judge".

It's not hard to judge. And you know what else wouldn't be hard to judge? A real crash expert, with real expertise in analyzing crashes, making the case that no plane crashed at the Pentagon. Only, no real expert has ever made that case. What does that kernel of believability tell you?

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Originally Posted by triforcharity

They arae the same people who google for pictures of people's dead bodies that jumped from the tower. I saaw first hand the victims, its not something I will ever forget, or ever want to see again. EVER.

I accidentally stumbled across a picture of one online. *shudder*

[Sabrina]

Originally Posted by leftysergeant

Reagan and the Shrub were both POTUS, so they should have some insight into how to build an ecconomicly robust nation, in spite of one having Alzheimers and the other being an immature brai-damaged dry drunk bornm with a silver spoon in his mouth, right?

Sorry, his rank gets him nothing. It is possible to be promoted lightyears beyond your competency.

He didn't see wing marks on the Pentagon. Any rational person sees wing marks.

Then there is his sexual ethics. This guy makes Newt Gingrich look humane in the way he treated his sick wife after their divorce.

Stubby belongs under a freeway overpass with a bottle of Mad Dog 20/20 in his hand.

I have to echo lefty here.

Just because someone has a high rank doesn't mean they are automatically right about everything.

I've known some pretty stupid higher ranking NCOs and officers in my nearly eight year military career. People who've done really stupid And no, I don't intend to elaborate; suffice to say it's absolutely gobsmackingly stupid.

I am not diminishing MG (Ret.) Stubbeline's service, but the man did retire in 1984; I rather doubt he's kept up with the advances in technology since then, especially as regards aircraft crash investigations and photographic examination. Pointing to his rank (which, I might add, he technically no longer holds, as he is RETIRED) or his past jobs as evidence of his veracity is nothing more than an appeal to authority that doesn't even exist in this case. His experience notwithstanding, the man is clearly suffering from dementia or is desperately trying to relive his glory days, neither of which endears him to those seeking actual EVIDENCE. If he were to produce some of that, I might listen to him; until then I'll simply smile and accord him the respect due his former rank should I ever meet him, but completely ignore his bat-crap crazy talk unless I hear some actual evidence, thanks.

[Sabrina]

Originally Posted by Cl1mh4224rd

I accidentally stumbled across a picture of one online. *shudder*

I once had a Powerpoint presentation put together by someone railing at the terrorists for doing this horrible, unspeakable act; I could only get through about the first ten slides, as I started crying from all the pictures of people falling from the buildings. That was utterly horrible.

[NagP]

Originally Posted by brantc

Major General Albert "Bert" N. Stubblebine III, head of all intelligence.

Yeah, I know this guy.
He's the guy who trys to walk through a wall and bumped his nose!

I've read the Japanese translation of "The Men Who Stare at Goats " by Jon Ronson.