Stubblebine Speaks... - Page 4

leftysergeant · 8th July 2009, 04:12 AM

Originally Posted by BigAl

And in the part that someone cut out "in the name of truth", Mcintyre also said:

This is a typical twoofer trick. I am goping through the same crap with Killtown on his latest post to the Ed Schultz message board.

He took little snippets from statements by people who were at Shanksville and used them to "prove" that the wreckage was not what it should be.

Odd that they will glom onto any doofus, like Stubby, even if they have proven themselves to totally lack personal integrity, and dismiss people who were there and performed honorably, like the fire fighters who responded and, in a couple cases, actually saw the plane inbound.

Sad commentary on the mental state of the twoofers.

Pinch · 8th July 2009, 05:20 AM

Originally Posted by 9/11-investigator

That's OK. I studied physics.

First year mechanics, thermodynamics, wave theory, special relativity theory.

Second year nuclear physics, quantummechanics.

Third year: studied the impact of airplane wings hitting windows. I did that for a whole year. Thousands of experiments and in all cases the windows were smashed. Trust me.

Fourth year: general relativity theory, electrodynamics.

You should demand a refund from the institution of higher learning in question because you got gyped - assuming it was indeed "higher" learning.

tfk · 8th July 2009, 05:23 AM

Originally Posted by 9/11-investigator

That's OK. I studied physics.

First year mechanics, thermodynamics, wave theory, special relativity theory.

Second year nuclear physics, quantummechanics.

Third year: studied the impact of airplane wings hitting windows. I did that for a whole year. Thousands of experiments and in all cases the windows were smashed. Trust me.

Fourth year: general relativity theory, electrodynamics.

.
Ahhh, That explains a lot.

You think that a "first year college mechanics course" is adequate to provide you the tools to analyze the likely behavior of the wing of that airplane in that collision.

You also think that the fields of "thermodynamics, wave theory, special relativity theory, nuclear physics, quantummechanics [sic], general relativity theory and electrodynamics" have one word to say about the same event...

Apparently, you were not paying attention in class.

May I ask what you have done with that training since your halcyon days?? Or perhaps, your professional background that might be considered directly related. By a sane person.

There are a LOT of undergraduate science & physics students who think that they are the only smart group of people in the world. A few years in the wide world usually disabuses them of that silly, silly notion.

tom

tfk · 8th July 2009, 06:02 AM

Originally Posted by bill smith

Remember Jamie Mcintyre making his report live at he Pentagon ? 'Didn't look like a plane had crashed anywhere near the Pentagon ' only pieces small enough that you could pick up in your hand'. '' there are no large pieces like tail sctions, wing sections, fuselage...'

This was the clip we saw on 9/11 and the only one we saw for years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C02dE5VKeck

Bill is congenitally incapable of speaking the truth.

I'm sorry. That is wrong. That is putting the blame on his parents.

Bill has acquired, thru a life of indolence and insincerity, a casual disregard for the truth.

I have explained to bill, repeatedly, in detail, the comments of Jamie McIntyre. (And of Mike Walter).

I have shown to bill, repeatedly, in detail, how their comments were taken out of context. .

I have fetched the full transcripts showing the real comments in their real context. Repeatedly.

I have brought to him the videos of both of these reporters expressing shock and dismay that their words have been twisted & used by deceitful truthers. Repeatedly.

I have brought to him the transcripts of both of these videos. Repeatedly.

And I have done all of the above AT LEAST a half dozen times.

Because bill casually and carelessly abandons that argument when faced with a mountain of counter evidence ...

... only to bring up the same issue again. And again. And again. As though all the previous facts were suddenly irrelevant to his opportunity to make a grandiose, bombastic and completely false assertion.

One that he KNOWS is false.

Typical bill...
___

For anyone with a FUNCTIONING sense of honor, or truthiness...

Here's Jamie McIntyre's definitive statement on this non-issue:

From:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../20/tt.01.html

JAMIE McINTYRE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: "There are still people who don't believe a plane really hit the Pentagon on September 11th. I was there, I saw the wreckage, I photographed it with my digital camera. One of the pictures I took shows a yellow fire hose stretched across the heliport surrounded with thousands of shards of metal from the plane. Another shows glass that appeared to be from the cockpit, and another was a part of the fuselage with the colors of American Airlines.

I was surprised to find that my own words are part of the conspiracy presentation. You can see on the Internet clips of me saying on September 11th, from my own close up inspection, there's no evidence of a plane crashing anywhere near the Pentagon. But I was answering a question, and the point I was making was about an eyewitness who thought a plane crashed near the Pentagon. I was saying no, not near the Pentagon. The only plane that crashed was at the Pentagon."

Case closed.

[Only to be pried open by ole "Shameless" at some later date...]

Tom

ElMondoHummus · 8th July 2009, 06:16 AM

Tom, just to make life easier: In some cases refutations to common conspiracy claims already exist, and can be pointed to. The truth behind the lie Bill told is one of them; Mike W has it written up here:
http://www.911myths.com/html/jamie_m...e_pentago.html

I just point this out in case you want to reduce your workload in responding to lies such as the one Bill told. You don't have to lean on previous works of course. I just point it out because it does make dealing with such lies easier, and it illustrates how dishonest truthers are to boot since the answer has been readily availalble for some time now.

Just my 2 cents.

tfk · 8th July 2009, 06:35 AM

Originally Posted by ElMondoHummus

Tom, just to make life easier: In some cases refutations to common conspiracy claims already exist, and can be pointed to. The truth behind the lie Bill told is one of them; Mike W has it written up here:
http://www.911myths.com/html/jamie_m...e_pentago.html

I just point this out in case you want to reduce your workload in responding to lies such as the one Bill told. You don't have to lean on previous works of course. I just point it out because it does make dealing with such lies easier, and it illustrates how dishonest truthers are to boot since the answer has been readily availalble for some time now.

Just my 2 cents.

Gracias, Senor Hummus,

Like most of us, I strongly suspect, I've collected my own version of definitive answers and links. And simply cut & paste. That's a big time saver.

The folks here have wised up to Bill's routine in relatively short order. I've had an almost 2 year head start on his shenanigans.

Bill is a "special" character. As such, he deserves, IMO, "special" attention.

Tom

bill smith · 8th July 2009, 06:53 AM

Originally Posted by tfk

Bill is congenitally incapable of speaking the truth.

I'm sorry. That is wrong. That is putting the blame on his parents.

Bill has acquired, thru a life of indolence and insincerity, a casual disregard for the truth.

I have explained to bill, repeatedly, in detail, the comments of Jamie McIntyre. (And of Mike Walter).

I have shown to bill, repeatedly, in detail, how their comments were taken out of context. .

I have fetched the full transcripts showing the real comments in their real context. Repeatedly.

I have brought to him the videos of both of these reporters expressing shock and dismay that their words have been twisted & used by deceitful truthers. Repeatedly.

I have brought to him the transcripts of both of these videos. Repeatedly.

And I have done all of the above AT LEAST a half dozen times.

Because bill casually and carelessly abandons that argument when faced with a mountain of counter evidence ...

... only to bring up the same issue again. And again. And again. As though all the previous facts were suddenly irrelevant to his opportunity to make a grandiose, bombastic and completely false assertion.

One that he KNOWS is false.

Typical bill...
___

For anyone with a FUNCTIONING sense of honor, or truthiness...

Here's Jamie McIntyre's definitive statement on this non-issue:

From:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../20/tt.01.html

JAMIE McINTYRE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: "There are still people who don't believe a plane really hit the Pentagon on September 11th. I was there, I saw the wreckage, I photographed it with my digital camera. One of the pictures I took shows a yellow fire hose stretched across the heliport surrounded with thousands of shards of metal from the plane. Another shows glass that appeared to be from the cockpit, and another was a part of the fuselage with the colors of American Airlines.

I was surprised to find that my own words are part of the conspiracy presentation. You can see on the Internet clips of me saying on September 11th, from my own close up inspection, there's no evidence of a plane crashing anywhere near the Pentagon. But I was answering a question, and the point I was making was about an eyewitness who thought a plane crashed near the Pentagon. I was saying no, not near the Pentagon. The only plane that crashed was at the Pentagon."

Case closed.

[Only to be pried open by ole "Shameless" at some later date...]

Tom

Yeah...i can remember tht too. This is how I heard it...

'' ....MCINTYRE: Until now, this single frame was the only image that showed the jetliner before it hit the Pentagon. And the image is so indistinct that it helped fuel conspiracy theories that abound on the Internet, despite pictures of the wreckage and eyewitness accounts.

MIKE WALTER, EYEWITNESS: I looked off. I was -- you know, looked out my window and I saw this plane, a jet, an American Airlines jet, coming. And I thought, this doesn't add up. It's really low.

MCINTYRE: The Web sites often take statements out of context, such as this exchange from CNN, in which I, myself, appear to be questioning whether a plane really hit the building.

''But from my close-up inspection, there's no evidence of a plane having crashed anywhere near the Pentagon. ''

MCINTYRE: Wolf, in fact, and I was saying that there was no plane that fell short of the Pentagon, only the one that hit the Pentagon. But don't try telling that to the conspiracy theorists -- Wolf.

BLITZER: Jamie, good report. Thank you very much. ''

Jeez....I remember how long it took me to stop laughing....lol

FineWine · 8th July 2009, 07:10 AM

Originally Posted by bill smith

Lol I wonder if MikeW (who owns that site) would care to come and argue this with me ? I bet he doesn't.

Argue WHAT? You got caught lying again. Jamie McIntyre doesn't swallow your lunatic snake oil.

FineWine · 8th July 2009, 07:12 AM

Originally Posted by bill smith

lol.

In the interest of accuracy, it should be pointed out that you are a semi-literate liar.

FineWine · 8th July 2009, 07:22 AM

Originally Posted by bill smith

Yeah...i can remember tht too. This is how I heard it...

'' ....MCINTYRE: Until now, this single frame was the only image that showed the jetliner before it hit the Pentagon. And the image is so indistinct that it helped fuel conspiracy theories that abound on the Internet, despite pictures of the wreckage and eyewitness accounts.

MIKE WALTER, EYEWITNESS: I looked off. I was -- you know, looked out my window and I saw this plane, a jet, an American Airlines jet, coming. And I thought, this doesn't add up. It's really low.

MCINTYRE: The Web sites often take statements out of context, such as this exchange from CNN, in which I, myself, appear to be questioning whether a plane really hit the building.

''But from my close-up inspection, there's no evidence of a plane having crashed anywhere near the Pentagon. ''

MCINTYRE: Wolf, in fact, and I was saying that there was no plane that fell short of the Pentagon, only the one that hit the Pentagon. But don't try telling that to the conspiracy theorists -- Wolf.

BLITZER: Jamie, good report. Thank you very much. ''

Jeez....I remember how long it took me to stop laughing....lol

I confess that I have developed a hearty dislike for your stupidity and dishonesty. But your confession of a serious medical problem affected me. What did your psychiatrist say about your bizarre episode of hysteria? I'm not a doctor, but I suspect that your convulsive laughter at a straightforward exchange that completely destroys the insane, irrational fantasies you are wedded to reveals a deep internal conflict. You continue to promote nonsensical falsehoods to work out crude hatreds for certain groups, but you recognize, at least on a basic level, that everything you say is wrong.
My theory would account for the delight you take in being regularly torn to shreds by people who know vastly more than you do.

bill smith · 8th July 2009, 07:34 AM

Originally Posted by FineWine

I confess that I have developed a hearty dislike for your stupidity and dishonesty. But your confession of a serious medical problem affected me. What did your psychiatrist say about your bizarre episode of hysteria? I'm not a doctor, but I suspect that your convulsive laughter at a straightforward exchange that completely destroys the insane, irrational fantasies you are wedded to reveals a deep internal conflict. You continue to promote nonsensical falsehoods to work out crude hatreds for certain groups, but you recognize, at least on a basic level, that everything you say is wrong.
My theory would account for the delight you take in being regularly torn to shreds by people who know vastly more than you do.

I didn't say I had any kind of medical condition- ever. It is sad that you are reduced to an outright lie in a crude attempt to discredit me. If you cannot produce the post where i made the cnfession you claim then I strongly advise people on both sides of the argument to recognise you for the liar you are and to treat you accordingly. If they support you in this lie that will of course reflect strongly on themselves.

FineWine · 8th July 2009, 07:42 AM

Originally Posted by bill smith

I didn't say I had any kind of medcal condition- ever. It is sad that you are reduced to an outright lie in a crude attempt to discredit me. If you cannot produce the post where i made the cnfession you claim then I strongly advise people on both sides of the argument to recognise you for the liar you are and treat you accordingly. If they support you in this lie that will of course reflect strongly on themselves.

I'm afraid I don't understand. You presented a straightforward exchange between Jamie McIntyre and Wolf Blitzer that completely destroyed one of the many stupid lies you peddle and you then stated that you suffered a fit of hysteria.
I presumed that you sought psychiatric attention (if you didn't, why not?).

You should clarify the situation for us. Was your hysteria treated or not? Why did you confess to being reduced to convulsive laughter at the collapse of one of your fantasies? Do you think that the definitive exposure of another of your insane movement's lies is somehow good for you?

It's strange, yet oddly predictable, that someone who lies so compulsively and flagrantly should accuse a sane, honest person of his own worst failing.

bill smith · 8th July 2009, 07:47 AM

Originally Posted by FineWine

I'm afraid I don't understand. You presented a straightforward exchange between Jamie McIntyre and Wolf Blitzer that completely destroyed the stupid lies you peddle and you then stated that you suffered a fit of hysteria.
I presumed that you sought psychiatric attention (if you didn't, why not?).

You should clarify the situation for us. Was your hysteria treated or not? Why did you confess to being reduced to convulsive laughter at the collapse of one of your fantasies? Do you think that the definitive exposure of another of your insane movement's lies is somehow good for you?

It's strange, yet oddly predictable, that someone who lies so compulsively and flagrantly should accuse a sane, honest person of his own worst failing.

No...I draw the line here- I want to see that post in which you said I confessed to a serious medical condition or I want an apology. That, or people can measure you by your response.

FineWine · 8th July 2009, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by bill smith

No...I draw the line here- I want to see that post in which you said I confessed to a serious medical condition or I want an apology. That, or people can measure you by your response.

The post is, as you know, # 127. You (how many times will I have to repeat this?) presented an exchange between Jamie McIntyre and Wolf Blitzer that exposed and refuted a lie you promote. You then stated that you suffered a fit of hysteria. Would you care to explain, or will you run away as usual?

Justin39640 · 8th July 2009, 07:58 AM

Originally Posted by FineWine

The post is, as you know, # 127. You (how many times will I have to repeat this?) presented an exchange between Jamie McIntyre and Wolf Blitzer that exposed and refuted a lie you promote. You then stated that you suffered a fit of hysteria. Would you care to explain, or will you run away as usual?

yeah whats so funny about the murder of the people on the plane or in the pentagon
i never laughed when i drove past firefighters funerals or through the "arches"
i cried (literally) every single time
i still get choked up at some videos
cant help it

did you laugh at those on TV too?

thats pretty sick man

bill smith · 8th July 2009, 07:59 AM

Originally Posted by FineWine

The post is, as you know, # 127. You (how many times will I have to repeat this?) presented an exchange between Jamie McIntyre and Wolf Blitzer that exposed and refuted a lie you promote. You then stated that you suffered a fit of hysteria. Would you care to explain, or will you run away as usual?

So if you laugh long you have a 'serious medical condition' ? And to say you laughed long is a confession to a serious medical condition' ?

Jeez....you an Jamie both belong to the 9/11 school of semantics. lol.

Justin39640 · 8th July 2009, 08:05 AM

Originally Posted by bill smith

So if you laugh long you have a 'serious medical condition' ? And to say you laughed long is a confession to a serious medical condition' ?

Jeez....you an Jamie both belong to the 9/11 school of semantics. lol.

try laughing at this
http://images.google.com/images?hl=e...-8&sa=N&tab=vi

read the stories when you look at the images

disgusting

bill smith · 8th July 2009, 08:17 AM

Originally Posted by Justin39640

try laughing at this
http://images.google.com/images?hl=e...-8&sa=N&tab=vi

read the stories when you look at the images

disgusting

Iwas laughing at Jamie McIntyre's revealing explanation for why he said 'there is no evidence that a plane crashed anywhere near the Pentagon' as I suspect you well know. See post #127 on this page for a full viewing of the facts,

NB. Concerned Citizens reading this exchange should watch carefully the techniques employed by the debunkers ro discredit the Truth Movement. Ask yourself why they would go to such ridiculous lengths ?

BigAl · 8th July 2009, 09:32 AM

Originally Posted by bill smith

Iwas laughing at Jamie McIntyre's revealing explanation for why he said 'there is no evidence that a plane crashed anywhere near the Pentagon' as I suspect you well know. See post #127 on this page for a full viewing of the facts,

Again:

Quote:

MIKE WALTER, EYEWITNESS: I looked off. I was -- you know, looked out my window and I saw this plane, a jet, an American Airlines jet, coming.

FineWine · 8th July 2009, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by bill smith

No...I draw the line here- I want to see that post in which you said I confessed to a serious medical condition or I want an apology. That, or people can measure you by your response.

We are all familiar with the drill: you tell a whopping lie; you get caught; you bluster clumsily; you get thoroughly smacked down; you run away. Nothing new here.

Although you've abandoned the field after yet another humiliation, I want to continue for a bit. You dishonestly pretended that Jamie McIntyre, a reality-based human who shares none of your idiotic delusions, lent support to the insane notion that no plane crashed into the Pentagon. In fact, he did nothing of the sort. He complained to Wolf Blitzer, a Bush-bashing liberal Democrat, that conspiracy nuts were making it appear as though he denied that AA77 hit the building. He set the record straight.

For pathological reasons, his clarification reduced you to hysteria. I would bet heavily that you didn't laugh at all--you were lying again. But, for argument's sake, let's take you at your word. What provoked your laughter? McIntyre wasn't caught in anything. You were caught promoting another falsehood, which, come to think of it, is all you do. Really. You are never right and you never tell the truth.

FineWine · 8th July 2009, 09:57 AM

Bill's disingenuous semantical game reminded me of the classic exchange from "Animal House" between Flounder and Boon:

F: "I can't believe I threw up in front of Dean Wormer."

B: "Face it, kid, you threw up on Dean Wormer."

No, Bill, a plane that has crashed into a building did not crash near the building.

FineWine · 8th July 2009, 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by bill smith

Iwas laughing at Jamie McIntyre's revealing explanation for why he said 'there is no evidence that a plane crashed anywhere near the Pentagon' as I suspect you well know. See post #127 on this page for a full viewing of the facts,

NB. Concerned Citizens reading this exchange should watch carefully the techniques employed by the debunkers ro discredit the Truth Movement. Ask yourself why they would go to such ridiculous lengths ?

Yes, Bill, ask yourself why you and your fellow frauds go to such insanely ridiculous lengths to distort the plain meaning of the words of people who reject your idiocy.

triforcharity · 8th July 2009, 10:04 AM

Justin,

I agree. I myself attended every single funeral for my fallen friends. I shed more tears in the weeks following 9/11 than I have shed in my entire life. Heck, even that day, as I waas hearing the PASS (PASS Device is an alarm that will go off if a firefighter doesn't move for a certain time. They have saved many firefighters, including myself) devices going off, and scrambling to try to rescue the fallen, I had tears in my eyes. Quite a few times I had to stop and take a break, because it was just too much. Heck, I was a still pretty new at the time.

And for someone like Bill to think that it's funny when someone clearly points out that people DIED in a plane crash, and he LAUGHS at their comments, its repulsive.

BTW, thanks for the link. Amazing.

Bill,

Why do you people (I use that term VERY loosely) think its cool to take people's comments out of context?? Especially so BLATENTLY?!?!?!?!?! WTF is wrong with you things???

tsig · 8th July 2009, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by NagP

Yeah, I know this guy.
He's the guy who trys to walk through a wall and bumped his nose!

I've read the Japanese translation of "The Men Who Stare at Goats " by Jon Ronson.

Having killed several goats I can say that a .22 short thru the head(straight on) is much faster that staring.

tsig · 8th July 2009, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by TruthersLie

ummm it isn't thta he has expressed an interest in the paranormal.

It is his BELIEF that he can KILL with his mind. It is his stated BELIEF that he can walk through walls. It is his BELIEF that he is a JEDI. It is his BELIEF that he can remote view with accuracy of events.

It isn't an "interest in the paranormal" it is BAT **** CRAZY.

It's one thing to dream of Camelot but proclaiming that you are Lancelot is generally off limits.

ElMondoHummus · 8th July 2009, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by tfk

Gracias, Senor Hummus,

Like most of us, I strongly suspect, I've collected my own version of definitive answers and links. And simply cut & paste. That's a big time saver.

The folks here have wised up to Bill's routine in relatively short order. I've had an almost 2 year head start on his shenanigans.

Bill is a "special" character. As such, he deserves, IMO, "special" attention.

Tom

No problem, sir. Anytime.

And yes, I think we all have our own little compendium of links to lean on. Heck, mine's so large, I've got 2 levels of subfolders just to keep 'em straight. There are times I've wished I had a bookmarks search feature

. But, I've found that I lean on Gravy's site, Mike's, and the search function here the most; Gravy's, while only being a small amount of the information that's out there, still stands as one of the most encyclopedic. And Mike W's has some of the most straightforward explanations around.

The shame of it is that both of them do little more than link publicly available information. The more I use their sites as gateways to accurate information about 9/11, the more I realize just how pathetic 9/11 conspiracy peddlers are about their material; the rebuttals to their distortions and mistruths are so publicly and readily available that it has convinced me that you actually need to purposely turn a blind eye to truth in order to believe in the 9/11 conspiracy fantasy. It's one thing to be taken in on a minute, isolated point and think there's something legitimate there; as I've said before, the thing that captured me was being unable to explain the "molten steel" issue properly, despite my degree in chemistry. Individual elements can have compelling albeit misleading truther explanations to them. But it's an entirely separate thing to continue to see rebuttal after rebuttal and still think there's an element of accuracy or truth to the so-called "Truth" movement. I saw the work they put into distortion after just one, single topic; it blows my mind to see others continually get the truth thrown, spoon fed, translated, diagrammed, and hurled at them over and over and still hold their beliefs in the fictional conspiracy. That sort of mentality rises to the level of pathology.

Anyway, you're welcome. And as a slight derail: Maybe we ought to have a "bookmarks sharing" thread at some point. That might be interesting. I'm going to ponder that for a bit here...

bill smith · 8th July 2009, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by FineWine

We are all familiar with the drill: you tell a whopping lie; you get caught; you bluster clumsily; you get thoroughly smacked down; you run away. Nothing new here.

Although you've abandoned the field after yet another humiliation, I want to continue for a bit. You dishonestly pretended that Jamie McIntyre, a reality-based human who shares none of your idiotic delusions, lent support to the insane notion that no plane crashed into the Pentagon. In fact, he did nothing of the sort. He complained to Wolf Blitzer, a Bush-bashing liberal Democrat, that conspiracy nuts were making it appear as though he denied that AA77 hit the building. He set the record straight.

For pathological reasons, his clarification reduced you to hysteria. I would bet heavily that you didn't laugh at all--you were lying again. But, for argument's sake, let's take you at your word. What provoked your laughter? McIntyre wasn't caught in anything. You were caught promoting another falsehood, which, come to think of it, is all you do. Really. You are never right and you never tell the truth.

How utterly stupid do you have to be to say that I accused Jamie McIntyre of anything in that post #127 FineWine ?
I simply reported verbatim what was said in two news clips and said that I found his ludicrous explanation laughable. I don't think anybody iwill have any doubt left about what type of person you are after these last half dozen exchanges.

Justin39640 · 8th July 2009, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by bill smith

How utterly stupid do you have to be to say that I accused Jamie McIntyre of anything in that post #127 FineWine ?
I simply reported verbatim what was said in two news clips and said that I found his ludicrous explanation laughable. I don't think anybody iwill have any doubt left about what type of person you are after these last half dozen exchanges.

jamie- a plane didnt hit the lawn it hit the building
bill laughs uncontrollably

and i thought i had a dark sense of humor

what else do you find "funny" bill

hey tri
i must have driven under at least 50 arches in the 1st 6 months
niagra falls every time

the whole metro NY area was depressed for 6 months at least
you could just feel it and see it in everyones face
there was almost NO crime in NYC for almost a month after
even the criminals were sad

Galileo · 8th July 2009, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by brantc

Yeah, you are a fool(and disingenuous). That is not even a hole. It is the burned front of a building.

Here is the hole before the fire, after the collision with the 7 whatever 7.
http://thetruthnews.info/pentagon%20hole.jpg

Look ma, no airplane.

And why no damage to the B-ring?

Because a bomb blew a hole in the C-ring.

Justin39640 · 8th July 2009, 01:10 PM

it only had enough force to go through 2 walls not 3 plus in that area between b and c there was plenty of room for the forces that created the puchout hole to dissipate (open air)
before the c ring it was all trapped in the building

Galileo · 8th July 2009, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by Justin39640

it only had enough force to go through 2 walls not 3 plus in that area between b and c there was plenty of room for the forces that created the puchout hole to dissipate (open air)
before the c ring it was all trapped in the building

sure it did.

bill smith · 8th July 2009, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by Galileo

And why no damage to the B-ring?

Because a bomb blew a hole in the C-ring.

The plane actually went hrough six steel reinforced walls and a small forest of vertical columns and survived intact enough to punch a perfect double-garage door-sized hole in the final wall. Pretty good for a 1mm thick aluminium, shell.
http://nomoregames.net/presentations...e0045_image034

tfk · 8th July 2009, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by bill smith

I didn't say I had any kind of medical condition- ever. It is sad that you are reduced to an outright lie in a crude attempt to discredit me. If you cannot produce the post where i made the cnfession you claim then I strongly advise people on both sides of the argument to recognise you for the liar you are and to treat you accordingly. If they support you in this lie that will of course reflect strongly on themselves.

.
Wow, bill.

Hit a nerve there, didn't he?

Well, I suspect that what you say is true. That you haven't said you had any sort of medical condition.

Here, anyway.

LoL.

t

bill smith · 8th July 2009, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by tfk

.
Wow, bill.

Hit a nerve there, didn't he?

Well, I suspect that what you say is true. That you haven't say you had any sort of medical condition.

Here, anyway.

LoL.

t

Yes, I was awfully awfully upset. I almost lost control I was so incensed.

FineWine · 8th July 2009, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by bill smith

How utterly stupid do you have to be to say that I accused Jamie McIntyre of anything in that post #127 FineWine ?
I simply reported verbatim what was said in two news clips and said that I found his ludicrous explanation laughable. I don't think anybody iwill have any doubt left about what type of person you are after these last half dozen exchanges.

How utterly stupid do you have to be to find McIntyre's perfectly clear and reasonable explantion ludicrous? We all know what type of person you are: obtuse, hate-filled, dishonest, and ignorant.
Imagine the gall of agenda-driven lunatics who twist a man's words to pretend that he lends credence to insane crapola and then whine when he corrects the record!
The plane did not crash near the Pentagon, you dumb so-and-so; it crashed INTO the Pentagon.

dtugg · 8th July 2009, 02:48 PM

bill, if you don't mind me asking, what exact condition(s) do you suffer from? Knowing the answer to this would help explain a lot.

FineWine · 8th July 2009, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by Galileo

And why no damage to the B-ring?

Because a bomb blew a hole in the C-ring.

Stop lying. There were no bombs. Have someone read excerpts from the Pentagon Building Performance report to you. You won't learn anything, of course.

tfk · 8th July 2009, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by bill smith

How utterly stupid do you have to be to say that I accused Jamie McIntyre of anything in that post #127 FineWine ?
I simply reported verbatim what was said in two news clips and said that I found his ludicrous explanation laughable. I don't think anybody iwill have any doubt left about what type of person you are after these last half dozen exchanges.

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Hmmmm, bill.

Do you understand the English language? You write it. But the words don't contain meaning...

For example, here you say:

"... How utterly stupid do you have to be to say that I accused Jamie McIntyre of anything in that post #127 ..."

And in the very next sentence, you say:
"I simply reported verbatim what was said in two news clips and said that I found his ludicrous explanation laughable."

Saying that you "found his ludicrous explanation laughable" is semantically IDENTICAL to accusing him of lying. There is no way around it.

And then accuse FW of being "stupid" for observing the obvious...?

English, bill. It's called "English".

T

PS. You are a walking, squawking cliche, bill. A liar who cavilierly, effortlessly, baselessly calls lots of other people "liar".

bill smith · 8th July 2009, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by dtugg

bill, if you don't mind me asking, what exact condition(s) do you suffer from? Knowing the answer to this would help explain a lot.

Well if I use a cheap shampoo I tend to get dandruff so I usually use Umberto Giannini which avoids the problem and gives me a certain cachet. Two birds with one stone you see.

Justin39640 · 8th July 2009, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by bill smith

The plane actually went hrough six steel reinforced walls and a small forest of vertical columns and survived intact enough to punch a perfect double-garage door-sized hole in the final wall. Pretty good for a 1mm thick aluminium, shell.
http://nomoregames.net/presentations...e0045_image034

really bill?
REALLY?

after 8 years and youve never bothered to look at this

did you?

why do you lie like that?
trolling isnt the word

8th July 2009, 05:20 AM	#122
Pinch Critical Thinker Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 287	Originally Posted by 9/11-investigator That's OK. I studied physics. First year mechanics, thermodynamics, wave theory, special relativity theory. Second year nuclear physics, quantummechanics. Third year: studied the impact of airplane wings hitting windows. I did that for a whole year. Thousands of experiments and in all cases the windows were smashed. Trust me. Fourth year: general relativity theory, electrodynamics. You should demand a refund from the institution of higher learning in question because you got gyped - assuming it was indeed "higher" learning.
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8th July 2009, 05:23 AM	#123
tfk Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,978	Originally Posted by 9/11-investigator That's OK. I studied physics. First year mechanics, thermodynamics, wave theory, special relativity theory. Second year nuclear physics, quantummechanics. Third year: studied the impact of airplane wings hitting windows. I did that for a whole year. Thousands of experiments and in all cases the windows were smashed. Trust me. Fourth year: general relativity theory, electrodynamics. . Ahhh, That explains a lot. You think that a "first year college mechanics course" is adequate to provide you the tools to analyze the likely behavior of the wing of that airplane in that collision. You also think that the fields of "thermodynamics, wave theory, special relativity theory, nuclear physics, quantummechanics [sic], general relativity theory and electrodynamics" have one word to say about the same event... Apparently, you were not paying attention in class. May I ask what you have done with that training since your halcyon days?? Or perhaps, your professional background that might be considered directly related. By a sane person. There are a LOT of undergraduate science & physics students who think that they are the only smart group of people in the world. A few years in the wide world usually disabuses them of that silly, silly notion. tom
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8th July 2009, 06:02 AM	#124
tfk Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,978	Originally Posted by bill smith Remember Jamie Mcintyre making his report live at he Pentagon ? 'Didn't look like a plane had crashed anywhere near the Pentagon ' only pieces small enough that you could pick up in your hand'. '' there are no large pieces like tail sctions, wing sections, fuselage...' This was the clip we saw on 9/11 and the only one we saw for years. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C02dE5VKeck Bill is congenitally incapable of speaking the truth. I'm sorry. That is wrong. That is putting the blame on his parents. Bill has acquired, thru a life of indolence and insincerity, a casual disregard for the truth. I have explained to bill, repeatedly, in detail, the comments of Jamie McIntyre. (And of Mike Walter). I have shown to bill, repeatedly, in detail, how their comments were taken out of context. . I have fetched the full transcripts showing the real comments in their real context. Repeatedly. I have brought to him the videos of both of these reporters expressing shock and dismay that their words have been twisted & used by deceitful truthers. Repeatedly. I have brought to him the transcripts of both of these videos. Repeatedly. And I have done all of the above AT LEAST a half dozen times. Because bill casually and carelessly abandons that argument when faced with a mountain of counter evidence ... ... only to bring up the same issue again. And again. And again. As though all the previous facts were suddenly irrelevant to his opportunity to make a grandiose, bombastic and completely false assertion. One that he KNOWS is false. Typical bill... ___ For anyone with a FUNCTIONING sense of honor, or truthiness... Here's Jamie McIntyre's definitive statement on this non-issue: From: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../20/tt.01.html JAMIE McINTYRE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: "There are still people who don't believe a plane really hit the Pentagon on September 11th. I was there, I saw the wreckage, I photographed it with my digital camera. One of the pictures I took shows a yellow fire hose stretched across the heliport surrounded with thousands of shards of metal from the plane. Another shows glass that appeared to be from the cockpit, and another was a part of the fuselage with the colors of American Airlines. I was surprised to find that my own words are part of the conspiracy presentation. You can see on the Internet clips of me saying on September 11th, from my own close up inspection, there's no evidence of a plane crashing anywhere near the Pentagon. But I was answering a question, and the point I was making was about an eyewitness who thought a plane crashed near the Pentagon. I was saying no, not near the Pentagon. The only plane that crashed was at the Pentagon." Case closed. [Only to be pried open by ole "Shameless" at some later date...] Tom
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8th July 2009, 06:16 AM	#125
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8th July 2009, 06:35 AM	#126
tfk Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,978	Originally Posted by ElMondoHummus Tom, just to make life easier: In some cases refutations to common conspiracy claims already exist, and can be pointed to. The truth behind the lie Bill told is one of them; Mike W has it written up here: http://www.911myths.com/html/jamie_m...e_pentago.html I just point this out in case you want to reduce your workload in responding to lies such as the one Bill told. You don't have to lean on previous works of course. I just point it out because it does make dealing with such lies easier, and it illustrates how dishonest truthers are to boot since the answer has been readily availalble for some time now. Just my 2 cents. Gracias, Senor Hummus, Like most of us, I strongly suspect, I've collected my own version of definitive answers and links. And simply cut & paste. That's a big time saver. The folks here have wised up to Bill's routine in relatively short order. I've had an almost 2 year head start on his shenanigans. Bill is a "special" character. As such, he deserves, IMO, "special" attention. Tom
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8th July 2009, 04:12 AM	#121
leftysergeant Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 18,613	Originally Posted by BigAl And in the part that someone cut out "in the name of truth", Mcintyre also said: This is a typical twoofer trick. I am goping through the same crap with Killtown on his latest post to the Ed Schultz message board. He took little snippets from statements by people who were at Shanksville and used them to "prove" that the wreckage was not what it should be. Odd that they will glom onto any doofus, like Stubby, even if they have proven themselves to totally lack personal integrity, and dismiss people who were there and performed honorably, like the fire fighters who responded and, in a couple cases, actually saw the plane inbound. Sad commentary on the mental state of the twoofers.

8th July 2009, 06:53 AM	#127
bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	Originally Posted by tfk Bill is congenitally incapable of speaking the truth. I'm sorry. That is wrong. That is putting the blame on his parents. Bill has acquired, thru a life of indolence and insincerity, a casual disregard for the truth. I have explained to bill, repeatedly, in detail, the comments of Jamie McIntyre. (And of Mike Walter). I have shown to bill, repeatedly, in detail, how their comments were taken out of context. . I have fetched the full transcripts showing the real comments in their real context. Repeatedly. I have brought to him the videos of both of these reporters expressing shock and dismay that their words have been twisted & used by deceitful truthers. Repeatedly. I have brought to him the transcripts of both of these videos. Repeatedly. And I have done all of the above AT LEAST a half dozen times. Because bill casually and carelessly abandons that argument when faced with a mountain of counter evidence ... ... only to bring up the same issue again. And again. And again. As though all the previous facts were suddenly irrelevant to his opportunity to make a grandiose, bombastic and completely false assertion. One that he KNOWS is false. Typical bill... ___ For anyone with a FUNCTIONING sense of honor, or truthiness... Here's Jamie McIntyre's definitive statement on this non-issue: From: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../20/tt.01.html JAMIE McINTYRE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: "There are still people who don't believe a plane really hit the Pentagon on September 11th. I was there, I saw the wreckage, I photographed it with my digital camera. One of the pictures I took shows a yellow fire hose stretched across the heliport surrounded with thousands of shards of metal from the plane. Another shows glass that appeared to be from the cockpit, and another was a part of the fuselage with the colors of American Airlines. I was surprised to find that my own words are part of the conspiracy presentation. You can see on the Internet clips of me saying on September 11th, from my own close up inspection, there's no evidence of a plane crashing anywhere near the Pentagon. But I was answering a question, and the point I was making was about an eyewitness who thought a plane crashed near the Pentagon. I was saying no, not near the Pentagon. The only plane that crashed was at the Pentagon." Case closed. [Only to be pried open by ole "Shameless" at some later date...] Tom Yeah...i can remember tht too. This is how I heard it... '' ....MCINTYRE: Until now, this single frame was the only image that showed the jetliner before it hit the Pentagon. And the image is so indistinct that it helped fuel conspiracy theories that abound on the Internet, despite pictures of the wreckage and eyewitness accounts. MIKE WALTER, EYEWITNESS: I looked off. I was -- you know, looked out my window and I saw this plane, a jet, an American Airlines jet, coming. And I thought, this doesn't add up. It's really low. MCINTYRE: The Web sites often take statements out of context, such as this exchange from CNN, in which I, myself, appear to be questioning whether a plane really hit the building. ''But from my close-up inspection, *there's no evidence of a plane having crashed anywhere near* the Pentagon. '' MCINTYRE: Wolf, in fact, and I was saying that there was no plane that fell short of the Pentagon, only the one that hit the Pentagon. But don't try telling that to the conspiracy theorists** -- Wolf. BLITZER: Jamie, good report. Thank you very much. '' Jeez....I remember how long it took me to stop laughing....lol
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8th July 2009, 07:10 AM	#128
FineWine Suspended Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,070	Originally Posted by bill smith Lol I wonder if MikeW (who owns that site) would care to come and argue this with me ? I bet he doesn't. Argue WHAT? You got caught lying again. Jamie McIntyre doesn't swallow your lunatic snake oil.
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8th July 2009, 07:12 AM	#129
FineWine Suspended Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,070	Originally Posted by bill smith lol. In the interest of accuracy, it should be pointed out that you are a semi-literate liar.
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8th July 2009, 07:22 AM	#130
FineWine Suspended Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,070	Originally Posted by bill smith Yeah...i can remember tht too. This is how I heard it... '' ....MCINTYRE: Until now, this single frame was the only image that showed the jetliner before it hit the Pentagon. And the image is so indistinct that it helped fuel conspiracy theories that abound on the Internet, despite pictures of the wreckage and eyewitness accounts. MIKE WALTER, EYEWITNESS: I looked off. I was -- you know, looked out my window and I saw this plane, a jet, an American Airlines jet, coming. And I thought, this doesn't add up. It's really low. MCINTYRE: The Web sites often take statements out of context, such as this exchange from CNN, in which I, myself, appear to be questioning whether a plane really hit the building. ''But from my close-up inspection, *there's no evidence of a plane having crashed anywhere near* the Pentagon. '' MCINTYRE: Wolf, in fact, and I was saying that there was no plane that fell short of the Pentagon, only the one that hit the Pentagon. But don't try telling that to the conspiracy theorists** -- Wolf. BLITZER: Jamie, good report. Thank you very much. '' Jeez....I remember how long it took me to stop laughing....lol I confess that I have developed a hearty dislike for your stupidity and dishonesty. But your confession of a serious medical problem affected me. What did your psychiatrist say about your bizarre episode of hysteria? I'm not a doctor, but I suspect that your convulsive laughter at a straightforward exchange that completely destroys the insane, irrational fantasies you are wedded to reveals a deep internal conflict. You continue to promote nonsensical falsehoods to work out crude hatreds for certain groups, but you recognize, at least on a basic level, that everything you say is wrong. My theory would account for the delight you take in being regularly torn to shreds by people who know vastly more than you do.
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8th July 2009, 07:34 AM	#131
bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	Originally Posted by FineWine I confess that I have developed a hearty dislike for your stupidity and dishonesty. But your confession of a serious medical problem affected me. What did your psychiatrist say about your bizarre episode of hysteria? I'm not a doctor, but I suspect that your convulsive laughter at a straightforward exchange that completely destroys the insane, irrational fantasies you are wedded to reveals a deep internal conflict. You continue to promote nonsensical falsehoods to work out crude hatreds for certain groups, but you recognize, at least on a basic level, that everything you say is wrong. My theory would account for the delight you take in being regularly torn to shreds by people who know vastly more than you do. I didn't say I had any kind of medical condition- ever. It is sad that you are reduced to an outright lie in a crude attempt to discredit me. If you cannot produce the post where i made the cnfession you claim then I strongly advise people on both sides of the argument to recognise you for the liar you are and to treat you accordingly. If they support you in this lie that will of course reflect strongly on themselves.
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8th July 2009, 07:42 AM	#132
FineWine Suspended Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,070	Originally Posted by bill smith I didn't say I had any kind of medcal condition- ever. It is sad that you are reduced to an outright lie in a crude attempt to discredit me. If you cannot produce the post where i made the cnfession you claim then I strongly advise people on both sides of the argument to recognise you for the liar you are and treat you accordingly. If they support you in this lie that will of course reflect strongly on themselves. I'm afraid I don't understand. You presented a straightforward exchange between Jamie McIntyre and Wolf Blitzer that completely destroyed one of the many stupid lies you peddle and you then stated that you suffered a fit of hysteria. I presumed that you sought psychiatric attention (if you didn't, why not?). You should clarify the situation for us. Was your hysteria treated or not? Why did you confess to being reduced to convulsive laughter at the collapse of one of your fantasies? Do you think that the definitive exposure of another of your insane movement's lies is somehow good for you? It's strange, yet oddly predictable, that someone who lies so compulsively and flagrantly should accuse a sane, honest person of his own worst failing.
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8th July 2009, 07:47 AM	#133
bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	Originally Posted by FineWine I'm afraid I don't understand. You presented a straightforward exchange between Jamie McIntyre and Wolf Blitzer that completely destroyed the stupid lies you peddle and you then stated that you suffered a fit of hysteria. I presumed that you sought psychiatric attention (if you didn't, why not?). You should clarify the situation for us. Was your hysteria treated or not? Why did you confess to being reduced to convulsive laughter at the collapse of one of your fantasies? Do you think that the definitive exposure of another of your insane movement's lies is somehow good for you? It's strange, yet oddly predictable, that someone who lies so compulsively and flagrantly should accuse a sane, honest person of his own worst failing. No...I draw the line here- I want to see that post in which you said I confessed to a serious medical condition or I want an apology. That, or people can measure you by your response.
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8th July 2009, 07:52 AM	#134
FineWine Suspended Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,070	Originally Posted by bill smith No...I draw the line here- I want to see that post in which you said I confessed to a serious medical condition or I want an apology. That, or people can measure you by your response. The post is, as you know, # 127. You (how many times will I have to repeat this?) presented an exchange between Jamie McIntyre and Wolf Blitzer that exposed and refuted a lie you promote. You then stated that you suffered a fit of hysteria. Would you care to explain, or will you run away as usual?
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8th July 2009, 07:58 AM	#135
Justin39640 Illuminator Join Date: May 2009 Location: New York Posts: 3,646	Originally Posted by FineWine The post is, as you know, # 127. You (how many times will I have to repeat this?) presented an exchange between Jamie McIntyre and Wolf Blitzer that exposed and refuted a lie you promote. You then stated that you suffered a fit of hysteria. Would you care to explain, or will you run away as usual? yeah whats so funny about the murder of the people on the plane or in the pentagon i never laughed when i drove past firefighters funerals or through the "arches" i cried (literally) every single time i still get choked up at some videos cant help it did you laugh at those on TV too? thats pretty sick man
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8th July 2009, 07:59 AM	#136
bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	Originally Posted by FineWine The post is, as you know, # 127. You (how many times will I have to repeat this?) presented an exchange between Jamie McIntyre and Wolf Blitzer that exposed and refuted a lie you promote. You then stated that you suffered a fit of hysteria. Would you care to explain, or will you run away as usual? So if you laugh long you have a 'serious medical condition' ? And to say you laughed long is a confession to a serious medical condition' ? Jeez....you an Jamie both belong to the 9/11 school of semantics. lol.
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8th July 2009, 08:05 AM	#137
Justin39640 Illuminator Join Date: May 2009 Location: New York Posts: 3,646	Originally Posted by bill smith So if you laugh long you have a 'serious medical condition' ? And to say you laughed long is a confession to a serious medical condition' ? Jeez....you an Jamie both belong to the 9/11 school of semantics. lol. try laughing at this http://images.google.com/images?hl=e...-8&sa=N&tab=vi read the stories when you look at the images disgusting
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8th July 2009, 08:17 AM	#138
bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	Originally Posted by Justin39640 try laughing at this http://images.google.com/images?hl=e...-8&sa=N&tab=vi read the stories when you look at the images disgusting Iwas laughing at Jamie McIntyre's revealing explanation for why he said 'there is no evidence that a plane crashed anywhere near the Pentagon' as I suspect you well know. See post #127 on this page for a full viewing of the facts, NB. Concerned Citizens reading this exchange should watch carefully the techniques employed by the debunkers ro discredit the Truth Movement. Ask yourself why they would go to such ridiculous lengths ?
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8th July 2009, 09:32 AM	#139
BigAl Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,398	Originally Posted by bill smith Iwas laughing at Jamie McIntyre's revealing explanation for why he said 'there is no evidence that a plane crashed anywhere near the Pentagon' as I suspect you well know. See post #127 on this page for a full viewing of the facts, Again: Quote: MIKE WALTER, EYEWITNESS: I looked off. I was -- you know, looked out my window and I saw this plane, a jet, an American Airlines jet, coming.
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8th July 2009, 09:50 AM	#140
FineWine Suspended Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,070	Originally Posted by bill smith No...I draw the line here- I want to see that post in which you said I confessed to a serious medical condition or I want an apology. That, or people can measure you by your response. We are all familiar with the drill: you tell a whopping lie; you get caught; you bluster clumsily; you get thoroughly smacked down; you run away. Nothing new here. Although you've abandoned the field after yet another humiliation, I want to continue for a bit. You dishonestly pretended that Jamie McIntyre, a reality-based human who shares none of your idiotic delusions, lent support to the insane notion that no plane crashed into the Pentagon. In fact, he did nothing of the sort. He complained to Wolf Blitzer, a Bush-bashing liberal Democrat, that conspiracy nuts were making it appear as though he denied that AA77 hit the building. He set the record straight. For pathological reasons, his clarification reduced you to hysteria. I would bet heavily that you didn't laugh at all--you were lying again. But, for argument's sake, let's take you at your word. What provoked your laughter? McIntyre wasn't caught in anything. You were caught promoting another falsehood, which, come to think of it, is all you do. Really. You are never right and you never tell the truth.
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8th July 2009, 09:57 AM	#141
FineWine Suspended Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,070	Bill's disingenuous semantical game reminded me of the classic exchange from "Animal House" between Flounder and Boon: F: "I can't believe I threw up in front of Dean Wormer." B: "Face it, kid, you threw up on Dean Wormer." No, Bill, a plane that has crashed into a building did not crash near the building.
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8th July 2009, 09:59 AM	#142
FineWine Suspended Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,070	Originally Posted by bill smith Iwas laughing at Jamie McIntyre's revealing explanation for why he said 'there is no evidence that a plane crashed anywhere near the Pentagon' as I suspect you well know. See post #127 on this page for a full viewing of the facts, NB. Concerned Citizens reading this exchange should watch carefully the techniques employed by the debunkers ro discredit the Truth Movement. Ask yourself why they would go to such ridiculous lengths ? Yes, Bill, ask yourself why you and your fellow frauds go to such insanely ridiculous lengths to distort the plain meaning of the words of people who reject your idiocy.
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8th July 2009, 10:04 AM	#143
triforcharity Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: The South! Posts: 12,177	Justin, I agree. I myself attended every single funeral for my fallen friends. I shed more tears in the weeks following 9/11 than I have shed in my entire life. Heck, even that day, as I waas hearing the PASS (PASS Device is an alarm that will go off if a firefighter doesn't move for a certain time. They have saved many firefighters, including myself) devices going off, and scrambling to try to rescue the fallen, I had tears in my eyes. Quite a few times I had to stop and take a break, because it was just too much. Heck, I was a still pretty new at the time. And for someone like Bill to think that it's funny when someone clearly points out that people DIED in a plane crash, and he LAUGHS at their comments, its repulsive. BTW, thanks for the link. Amazing. Bill, Why do you people (I use that term VERY loosely) think its cool to take people's comments out of context?? Especially so BLATENTLY?!?!?!?!?! WTF is wrong with you things???

8th July 2009, 10:23 AM	#144
tsig a carbon based life-form Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 26,769	Originally Posted by NagP Yeah, I know this guy. He's the guy who trys to walk through a wall and bumped his nose! I've read the Japanese translation of "The Men Who Stare at Goats " by Jon Ronson. Having killed several goats I can say that a .22 short thru the head(straight on) is much faster that staring.

8th July 2009, 10:28 AM	#145
tsig a carbon based life-form Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 26,769	Originally Posted by TruthersLie ummm it isn't thta he has expressed an interest in the paranormal. It is his BELIEF that he can KILL with his mind. It is his stated BELIEF that he can walk through walls. It is his BELIEF that he is a JEDI. It is his BELIEF that he can remote view with accuracy of events. It isn't an "interest in the paranormal" it is BAT **** CRAZY. It's one thing to dream of Camelot but proclaiming that you are Lancelot is generally off limits.

8th July 2009, 10:32 AM	#146
ElMondoHummus 0.25 short of being half-witted Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Somewhere north of the South Pole Posts: 11,945	Originally Posted by tfk Gracias, Senor Hummus, Like most of us, I strongly suspect, I've collected my own version of definitive answers and links. And simply cut & paste. That's a big time saver. The folks here have wised up to Bill's routine in relatively short order. I've had an almost 2 year head start on his shenanigans. Bill is a "special" character. As such, he deserves, IMO, "special" attention. Tom No problem, sir. Anytime. And yes, I think we all have our own little compendium of links to lean on. Heck, mine's so large, I've got 2 levels of subfolders just to keep 'em straight. There are times I've wished I had a bookmarks search feature . But, I've found that I lean on Gravy's site, Mike's, and the search function here the most; Gravy's, while only being a small amount of the information that's out there, still stands as one of the most encyclopedic. And Mike W's has some of the most straightforward explanations around. The shame of it is that both of them do little more than link publicly available information. The more I use their sites as gateways to accurate information about 9/11, the more I realize just how pathetic 9/11 conspiracy peddlers are about their material; the rebuttals to their distortions and mistruths are so publicly and readily available that it has convinced me that you actually need to purposely turn a blind eye to truth in order to believe in the 9/11 conspiracy fantasy. It's one thing to be taken in on a minute, isolated point and think there's something legitimate there; as I've said before, the thing that captured me was being unable to explain the "molten steel" issue properly, despite my degree in chemistry. Individual elements can have compelling albeit misleading truther explanations to them. But it's an entirely separate thing to continue to see rebuttal after rebuttal and still think there's an element of accuracy or truth to the so-called "Truth" movement. I saw the work they put into distortion after just one, single topic; it blows my mind to see others continually get the truth thrown, spoon fed, translated, diagrammed, and hurled at them over and over and still hold their beliefs in the fictional conspiracy. That sort of mentality rises to the level of pathology. Anyway, you're welcome. And as a slight derail: Maybe we ought to have a "bookmarks sharing" thread at some point. That might be interesting. I'm going to ponder that for a bit here...
	__________________ must take this very carefully....booze is wise men's drink..... -pillory "... I'm quite willing to have everyone use my rejection of the 9/11 conspiracy theory as a basis for assessing my intelligence, judgment, and trustworthiness" -Prof. Ann Althouse

8th July 2009, 11:55 AM	#147
bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	Originally Posted by FineWine We are all familiar with the drill: you tell a whopping lie; you get caught; you bluster clumsily; you get thoroughly smacked down; you run away. Nothing new here. Although you've abandoned the field after yet another humiliation, I want to continue for a bit. You dishonestly pretended that Jamie McIntyre, a reality-based human who shares none of your idiotic delusions, lent support to the insane notion that no plane crashed into the Pentagon. In fact, he did nothing of the sort. He complained to Wolf Blitzer, a Bush-bashing liberal Democrat, that conspiracy nuts were making it appear as though he denied that AA77 hit the building. He set the record straight. For pathological reasons, his clarification reduced you to hysteria. I would bet heavily that you didn't laugh at all--you were lying again. But, for argument's sake, let's take you at your word. What provoked your laughter? McIntyre wasn't caught in anything. You were caught promoting another falsehood, which, come to think of it, is all you do. Really. You are never right and you never tell the truth. How utterly stupid do you have to be to say that I accused Jamie McIntyre of anything in that post #127 FineWine ? I simply reported verbatim what was said in two news clips and said that I found his ludicrous explanation laughable. I don't think anybody iwill have any doubt left about what type of person you are after these last half dozen exchanges.
bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	__________________ Think WTC7 - You cannot make the four corners of a table fall together unless you cut the four legs together A kitchen table judgement on a world scale is enough * To Citizens: 'There comes a time when silence is betrayal'

8th July 2009, 12:30 PM	#148
Justin39640 Illuminator Join Date: May 2009 Location: New York Posts: 3,646	Originally Posted by bill smith How utterly stupid do you have to be to say that I accused Jamie McIntyre of anything in that post #127 FineWine ? I simply reported verbatim what was said in two news clips and said that I found his ludicrous explanation laughable. I don't think anybody iwill have any doubt left about what type of person you are after these last half dozen exchanges. jamie- a plane didnt hit the lawn it hit the building bill laughs uncontrollably and i thought i had a dark sense of humor what else do you find "funny" bill hey tri i must have driven under at least 50 arches in the 1st 6 months niagra falls every time the whole metro NY area was depressed for 6 months at least you could just feel it and see it in everyones face there was almost NO crime in NYC for almost a month after even the criminals were sad
	__________________ "I joined this forum to learn about the people who think that 9/11 was an inside job. I've learned that they believe nutty things and are not very good at explaining them." - FineWine "The agencies involved with studying the WTC collapse no more needed to consider explosives than the police need to consider brain cancer in a shooting death." - ElMondoHummus

8th July 2009, 01:07 PM	#149
Galileo Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Middleton, WI Posts: 3,368	Originally Posted by brantc Yeah, you are a fool(and disingenuous). That is not even a hole. It is the burned front of a building. Here is the hole before the fire, after the collision with the 7 whatever 7. http://thetruthnews.info/pentagon%20hole.jpg Look ma, no airplane. And why no damage to the B-ring? Because a bomb blew a hole in the C-ring.

8th July 2009, 01:10 PM	#150
Justin39640 Illuminator Join Date: May 2009 Location: New York Posts: 3,646	it only had enough force to go through 2 walls not 3 plus in that area between b and c there was plenty of room for the forces that created the puchout hole to dissipate (open air) before the c ring it was all trapped in the building
	__________________ "I joined this forum to learn about the people who think that 9/11 was an inside job. I've learned that they believe nutty things and are not very good at explaining them." - FineWine "The agencies involved with studying the WTC collapse no more needed to consider explosives than the police need to consider brain cancer in a shooting death." - ElMondoHummus

8th July 2009, 01:15 PM	#151
Galileo Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Middleton, WI Posts: 3,368	Originally Posted by Justin39640 it only had enough force to go through 2 walls not 3 plus in that area between b and c there was plenty of room for the forces that created the puchout hole to dissipate (open air) before the c ring it was all trapped in the building sure it did.

8th July 2009, 01:59 PM	#152
bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	Originally Posted by Galileo And why no damage to the B-ring? Because a bomb blew a hole in the C-ring. The plane actually went hrough six steel reinforced walls and a small forest of vertical columns and survived intact enough to punch a perfect double-garage door-sized hole in the final wall. Pretty good for a 1mm thick aluminium, shell. http://nomoregames.net/presentations...e0045_image034
bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	__________________ Think WTC7 - You cannot make the four corners of a table fall together unless you cut the four legs together A kitchen table judgement on a world scale is enough * To Citizens: 'There comes a time when silence is betrayal' Last edited by bill smith; 8th July 2009 at 02:12 PM.

8th July 2009, 02:39 PM	#153
tfk Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,978	Originally Posted by bill smith I didn't say I had any kind of medical condition- ever. It is sad that you are reduced to an outright lie in a crude attempt to discredit me. If you cannot produce the post where i made the cnfession you claim then I strongly advise people on both sides of the argument to recognise you for the liar you are and to treat you accordingly. If they support you in this lie that will of course reflect strongly on themselves. . Wow, bill. Hit a nerve there, didn't he? Well, I suspect that what you say is true. That you haven't said you had any sort of medical condition. Here, anyway. LoL. t
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8th July 2009, 02:47 PM	#154
bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	Originally Posted by tfk . Wow, bill. Hit a nerve there, didn't he? Well, I suspect that what you say is true. That you haven't say you had any sort of medical condition. Here, anyway. LoL. t Yes, I was awfully awfully upset. I almost lost control I was so incensed.
bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	__________________ Think WTC7 - You cannot make the four corners of a table fall together unless you cut the four legs together A kitchen table judgement on a world scale is enough * To Citizens: 'There comes a time when silence is betrayal'

8th July 2009, 02:47 PM	#155
FineWine Suspended Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,070	Originally Posted by bill smith How utterly stupid do you have to be to say that I accused Jamie McIntyre of anything in that post #127 FineWine ? I simply reported verbatim what was said in two news clips and said that I found his ludicrous explanation laughable. I don't think anybody iwill have any doubt left about what type of person you are after these last half dozen exchanges. How utterly stupid do you have to be to find McIntyre's perfectly clear and reasonable explantion ludicrous? We all know what type of person you are: obtuse, hate-filled, dishonest, and ignorant. Imagine the gall of agenda-driven lunatics who twist a man's words to pretend that he lends credence to insane crapola and then whine when he corrects the record! The plane did not crash near the Pentagon, you dumb so-and-so; it crashed *INTO* the Pentagon.
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