My new creation

Dane · 7th December 2003, 03:00 AM

Here is an effect that I'm working on (mentalism with cards)

Spectator freely picks any card from a deck. Card is memorized and placed aside. Another deck is taken by spectator and shuffled any amount of times, and then given to magician who gives the deck a single legitimate riffle shuffle to thoroughly mix the deck. The deck is spread out on the table face-down. The spectator is told to pick a place in the deck in which to split the cards. Spectator points to area of the spread, and magician splits them apart slightly, into two sections. Spectator is told to choose the section to keep. Then, with the section being kept, the process is repeated, splitting the remaining spread roughly in half where the spectator chooses until there are two cards left. Spectator chooses which card to keep, and other card is ditched. Magician turns the last remaining card over, revealing it is the same card as the freely chosen card from the separate deck. An alternative is to have the two remaining cards, one having written on it, "THIS IS NOT YOUR CARD" and the other one being the correct card. Then you turn them both over.

This effect relies heavily on the magician's ability to stay in control, but no sleights are required, only continual focus and learning some suggestion. I so far haven't been able to make this 100 percent foolproof. It works about 98 percent of the time with me though, at this point. Tell me what you think of it if you don't mind. Please, no guessing at the method used. As far as I know, there are completely new principles used here. I only happened to run across it while I was fiddling with cards.

Dane

Garrette · 7th December 2003, 03:48 AM

I won't guess methods, but a couple possibilities come to mind.

That being said, it's extremely unlikely, though of course not impossible, that you have actually created something original; it is more likely something with which you simply are not familiar.

Enough of that. The effect could be impressive depending on:

The presentational skills of the magician and

The experience of the audience.

Something like this, even if done via a completely original method, is prone to the audience thinking they know how it's done.

For instance, even if not true, the idea of a Magician's Choice would be hard to shake.

Dane · 7th December 2003, 02:56 PM

I do know where you are going with that. Without myself giving away more than I should, I can tell you that it isn't similar to any effect I've seen, especially the method. I make it quite clear that the spectator can choose any section to eliminate.

Actually, last night while I was thinking, I came up with an alternate presentation. After spreading the cards, I tell the spectator to make 6 different sections with the spread. Then I tell the spectator, "choose one spread". The spectator does this. I ask the spectator if they want to keep those cards, or eliminate them. If the spec wants to keep the cards, we will use those to finish the effect with two cards, or we eliminate those cards and move on to the next until the spectator decides to stick with a certain spread.

At first I thought I'd need either duplicates, or to do an initial force for the chosen card, but now neither are used.

This may be the final product of the effect, but I am now working on letting the spectator pick out 5 cards from the spread and eliminating them one by one, revealing the same card as the chosen one. Still going through ideas with that, but I think what I have now is good. Actually, from what I've done for the spectators, no one ever thinks they know how it's done, because I present it as if I have no bearing on the trick, and they are free to eliminate all the cards until they find the card they want. Of course, before they turn it over, they never imagine it could be the same card as they chose before, but it always is. Any more thoughts are welcome, as well as a new idea for presentation.

Dane

Garrette · 7th December 2003, 10:48 PM

Sounds good. Show it to some folks. See how they react.

Brown · 11th December 2003, 12:53 AM

"Scarne on Card Tricks" describes and explains a similar trick, performed by some dead guy. Houdini, I think his name was.

Dane · 11th December 2003, 03:46 PM

Lol, yes well I know some similar effects to this one, including the one in the Scarne on Cards. But really, when you see it in person, you see that it is quite a bit different, including methods and cleanness. I'm willing to accept that my creation is not unique, but I haven't found anything like it yet. If I find it is indeed unique, I'll market it. It's incredibly useful. Helps to be good in psychology though..

Dane

Darwin'sGoat · 12th December 2003, 07:02 PM

When I was little I did this trick by building a full deck of the Ace of Spades.

7th December 2003, 03:00 AM	#1
Dane Scholar Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 65	My new creation Here is an effect that I'm working on (mentalism with cards) Spectator freely picks any card from a deck. Card is memorized and placed aside. Another deck is taken by spectator and shuffled any amount of times, and then given to magician who gives the deck a single legitimate riffle shuffle to thoroughly mix the deck. The deck is spread out on the table face-down. The spectator is told to pick a place in the deck in which to split the cards. Spectator points to area of the spread, and magician splits them apart slightly, into two sections. Spectator is told to choose the section to keep. Then, with the section being kept, the process is repeated, splitting the remaining spread roughly in half where the spectator chooses until there are two cards left. Spectator chooses which card to keep, and other card is ditched. Magician turns the last remaining card over, revealing it is the same card as the freely chosen card from the separate deck. An alternative is to have the two remaining cards, one having written on it, "THIS IS NOT YOUR CARD" and the other one being the correct card. Then you turn them both over. This effect relies heavily on the magician's ability to stay in control, but no sleights are required, only continual focus and learning some suggestion. I so far haven't been able to make this 100 percent foolproof. It works about 98 percent of the time with me though, at this point. Tell me what you think of it if you don't mind. Please, no guessing at the method used. As far as I know, there are completely new principles used here. I only happened to run across it while I was fiddling with cards. Dane
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7th December 2003, 03:48 AM	#2
Garrette Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,927	I won't guess methods, but a couple possibilities come to mind. That being said, it's extremely unlikely, though of course not impossible, that you have actually created something original; it is more likely something with which you simply are not familiar. Enough of that. The effect could be impressive depending on: The presentational skills of the magician and The experience of the audience. Something like this, even if done via a completely original method, is prone to the audience thinking they know how it's done. For instance, even if not true, the idea of a Magician's Choice would be hard to shake.
Garrette Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,927

7th December 2003, 02:56 PM	#3
Dane Scholar Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 65	I do know where you are going with that. Without myself giving away more than I should, I can tell you that it isn't similar to any effect I've seen, especially the method. I make it quite clear that the spectator can choose any section to eliminate. Actually, last night while I was thinking, I came up with an alternate presentation. After spreading the cards, I tell the spectator to make 6 different sections with the spread. Then I tell the spectator, "choose one spread". The spectator does this. I ask the spectator if they want to keep those cards, or eliminate them. If the spec wants to keep the cards, we will use those to finish the effect with two cards, or we eliminate those cards and move on to the next until the spectator decides to stick with a certain spread. At first I thought I'd need either duplicates, or to do an initial force for the chosen card, but now neither are used. This may be the final product of the effect, but I am now working on letting the spectator pick out 5 cards from the spread and eliminating them one by one, revealing the same card as the chosen one. Still going through ideas with that, but I think what I have now is good. Actually, from what I've done for the spectators, no one ever thinks they know how it's done, because I present it as if I have no bearing on the trick, and they are free to eliminate all the cards until they find the card they want. Of course, before they turn it over, they never imagine it could be the same card as they chose before, but it always is. Any more thoughts are welcome, as well as a new idea for presentation. Dane
Dane Scholar Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 65	__________________ "Don't determine what's impossible until you know all of the possibilties"

7th December 2003, 10:48 PM	#4
Garrette Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,927	Sounds good. Show it to some folks. See how they react.
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11th December 2003, 12:53 AM	#5
Brown Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Twin Cities, Canada Posts: 9,025	"Scarne on Card Tricks" describes and explains a similar trick, performed by some dead guy. Houdini, I think his name was.
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11th December 2003, 03:46 PM	#6
Dane Scholar Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 65	Lol, yes well I know some similar effects to this one, including the one in the Scarne on Cards. But really, when you see it in person, you see that it is quite a bit different, including methods and cleanness. I'm willing to accept that my creation is not unique, but I haven't found anything like it yet. If I find it is indeed unique, I'll market it. It's incredibly useful. Helps to be good in psychology though.. Dane
Dane Scholar Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 65	__________________ "Don't determine what's impossible until you know all of the possibilties"

12th December 2003, 07:02 PM	#7
Darwin'sGoat Thinker Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 235	When I was little I did this trick by building a full deck of the Ace of Spades.
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