Republicans introduce anti human/animal hybrid bill

thaiboxerken · 15th July 2009, 12:42 PM

Apparently, Senator Brownback watched too many sci-fi fantasies and decided to champion a bill that bans the creation of human-animal hybrids. 20 people signed and endorsed this bill, including McCain.

WTF? Are these people crazy?!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677#31914213

parky76 · 15th July 2009, 12:43 PM

i would love to be half human..half wolf.

Manimal!!!!!

Ziggurat · 15th July 2009, 01:13 PM

What's your objection? That nobody would bother? That such things can't be done? Or that they should be allowed to be done?

If the first, well, OK, but whatever. Not really any worse than Congress declaring an official pickle week. There are far worse things Congress could be doing than wasting time.

If the second, such things can be done. And have been done. I present to you:

the geep (apparently shoat is already taken). While nothing involving humans has reached that stage, human-animal combos have also been made.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n..._chimeras.html

If the third, well, I'm not really sure what can be said on the topic other than a lot of Americans would want such things made illegal.

leftysergeant · 15th July 2009, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

Apparently, Senator Brownback watched too many sci-fi fantasies and decided to champion a bill that bans the creation of human-animal hybrids. 20 people signed and endorsed this bill, including McCain.

WTF? Are these people crazy?!

You know who Sarah Palin is, right? And Michelle Bachman?

And you have to ask that?

I mean DUH!

thaiboxerken · 15th July 2009, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

What's your objection? That nobody would bother? That such things can't be done? Or that they should be allowed to be done?

Yes, AFAIK there is no pushy by scientists to do this.

This bill is actually just stupid and silly, it's a waste of time. There are far better things congress could be doing rather than wasting time.

TShaitanaku · 15th July 2009, 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

Apparently, Senator Brownback watched too many sci-fi fantasies and decided to champion a bill that bans the creation of human-animal hybrids. 20 people signed and endorsed this bill, including McCain.

WTF? Are these people crazy?!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677#31914213

Aside from the assinine interpretation given by herr Olbermann which I guess should be expected, this bill could have serious impacts on a wide range of genetic and medical research and treatment. There is an extensive body of work being done with a variety of domestic livestock (pigs, cows and sheep predominantly) to produce a variety of organ and tissues which incorporate elements of human dna. Additionally, I'm not sure how specific this bill is worded but it could also eliminate much of the genetic surgery therapies that are currently in experimental trials, as the viral agents used to transport and insert the dna strands into the patient's cells (thinking about the genetic treatment for diabetes in particular) could be considered such a human hybrid lifeform.

Of course, I disagree with their issue, but I understand where they are coming from. The issue they aren't considering is that humans are animals, so a human-animal hybrid is redundantly-superfluous nonsense. The goal is to prey on the stupid with man mating and cross-breeding with other animals imagery, a goal that Keith couldn't help but perpetuate, then again he always was a much better sportscaster than political pundit (not that he was particularly good with sports).

thaiboxerken · 15th July 2009, 01:55 PM

It's still silly, TS, as they are simply trying to stunt the medical sciences again with their idiotic ideologies.

leftysergeant · 15th July 2009, 01:55 PM

I recall reading somewhere that most of the existing human cell cultures were contaminated with mouse DNA. Wouldn't those have to be destroyed?

MattusMaximus · 15th July 2009, 01:58 PM

Paging Dr. Moreau...

thaiboxerken · 15th July 2009, 01:59 PM

Apparently, someone is attempting to make human-cow hybrid cells to further medical and scientific research.

http://www.lifenews.com/bio2890.html

So, thus, again, the republicans are trying to stunt science.

Ziggurat · 15th July 2009, 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

So, thus, again, the republicans are trying to stunt science.

That can be said of any ethics laws or regulations which limit what scientists do. You will have a hard time convincing many people that such restrictions are categorically unacceptable. Differences about where exactly to draw the line are exactly that: the idea that we should be drawing ethical lines at all regarding acceptable and unacceptable research is a settled debate. You'll have to do better than this, thai.

Drewbot · 15th July 2009, 02:22 PM

Why is this thread tagged with "BIGFOOT" Everyone knows that Bigfoot is either: 1. An Unclassified Hairy Biped, with Giant Torpedo Boobs sticking out of it's stomach, and a depressed startle reflex, or 2. A human in a suit.

Either way, it's not a human/animal hybrid. So why the tag?

SezMe · 15th July 2009, 02:24 PM

As happened with stem cell research, all this bill would do is drive the restriced research offshore.

Darth Rotor · 15th July 2009, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

Apparently, someone is attempting to make human-cow hybrid cells to further medical and scientific research.

Possible motive, unstated, is that the guys behind it wanted to come out of it hung like a bull. They'd try for a horse next ...

TShaitanaku · 15th July 2009, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by leftysergeant

I recall reading somewhere that most of the existing human cell cultures were contaminated with mouse DNA. Wouldn't those have to be destroyed?

And of course that is the real issue, how do you identify "human" DNA? AFAIK the only thing that makes any DNA unique is its complete composite structure, and even this is greatly similar among closely related species.

As I said before the goal of the legislation had nothing to do with any serious issue, it was more of a "gather the peasants and give them torches" move. And then we have blubbering fools like Olbermann confusing the issues and trying to use the same action to do the same thing with the villiage idiots on the opposite side of the fence.

thaiboxerken · 15th July 2009, 03:33 PM

Olbermann is simply responding to the silly statements that the Republicans arguing for the bill are presenting. I'd hardly say he's being a village idiot on the other side of the fence. He's only pointing out that those people are idiots.

casebro · 15th July 2009, 03:34 PM

I can't see the problem they are trying to fix. One likely use would be to implant the genes of a person in need of a kidney transplant into a piglet. Raise the pig, transplant its' kidneys into the recipient.

I doubt if the pig will have dreamy blue eyes, and be found attractive to the Senators, but maybe that is what they are concerned about?

Fiona · 15th July 2009, 03:39 PM

They have a downer on mermaids?

Whiplash · 15th July 2009, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

It's still silly, TS, as they are simply trying to stunt the medical sciences again with their idiotic ideologies.

While I don't support this waste of time either, do you honestly think that a bill to keep from doing any kind of human/animal hybrid stuff is actually "stunting the medical sciences"? You said yourself that it's not something scientists are pushing towards.

And is a respect for human life an "idiotic ideology"? (let me save you the cheapshot, respect for human life except for prisoners on death row, I know, I know).

Why do I get the feeling you will insist on seeing this as a religious thing? Can not civlilized people, religious or not, agree that animal/human hybrids would be very bizzare freaks of nature and not something we should probably ever try to get mixed up in? The idea of such monsters with a human consciousness seems rather chilling to me.

I'm not supporting the bill, just questioning your comments here. I think you are really reaching to turn this into a "religion trying to force thier values onto us" thing. Really reaching. Are you going to suggest it's a slipperly slope next?

ETA: This kind of thing goes to what I talk about all the time, where I think that people (on both sides) have a tendancy to over-react and ramp up the rhetoric and demagoguery. I feel like your post was a bit of a rant driven by extreme dislike of Republicans. I hope you'll step back and think about it, and not react knee jerkishly or emotionally.

thaiboxerken · 15th July 2009, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by Whiplash

While I don't support this waste of time either, do you honestly think that a bill to keep from doing any kind of human/animal hybrid stuff is actually "stunting the medical sciences"? You said yourself that it's not something scientists are pushing towards.

Actually, it appears they are passing the bill because of research in the UK by a scientist who is trying to make human-cow hybrid stem cells for research. This appears to be a valid scientific endeavor.

Quote:

And is a respect for human life an "idiotic ideology"? (let me save you the cheapshot, respect for human life except for prisoners on death row, I know, I know).

The "respect" they want to give human life appears to be religiously based. Making a man-cow stem cell in no way devaluates human live.

Quote:

Why do I get the feeling you will insist on seeing this as a religious thing? Can not civlilized people, religious or not, agree that animal/human hybrids would be very bizzare freaks of nature and not something we should probably ever try to get mixed up in? The idea of such monsters with a human consciousness seems rather chilling to me.

Perhaps because it proposed by a fundamentalist christian.

Quote:

I'm not supporting the bill, just questioning your comments here. I think you are really reaching to turn this into a "religion trying to force thier values onto us" thing. Really reaching. Are you going to suggest it's a slipperly slope next?

No, I'm saying that this is a really, REALLY stupid bill.

Quote:

ETA: This kind of thing goes to what I talk about all the time, where I think that people (on both sides) have a tendancy to over-react and ramp up the rhetoric and demagoguery. I feel like your post was a bit of a rant driven by extreme dislike of Republicans. I hope you'll step back and think about it, and not react knee jerkishly or emotionally.

I have a dislike of morons who try to pass retarded bills.

Brainster · 15th July 2009, 04:17 PM

Al Gore was right! The only thing we have to fear is manbearpig!

Morrigan · 16th July 2009, 11:13 AM

Real, functional human-animal hybrids would be really awesome! Imagine sentient birdmen, wolfmen, and so on. \m/

Tricky · 16th July 2009, 11:58 AM

I totally agree with these Centaurs... er... Senators. (I was confused when I saw the horses, asses.)

casebro · 16th July 2009, 03:25 PM

You mean Senataurs? The IPU warned me to watch out for them.

applecorped · 16th July 2009, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by Darth Rotor

Possible motive, unstated, is that the guys behind it wanted to come out of it hung like a bull. They'd try for a horse next ...

Shoot for the moon and go for a Blue whale

Checkmite · 16th July 2009, 05:25 PM

If any of them stoop so low as to create catgirls, I will personally be pyrotechnicating the evil bastards.

Morrigan · 16th July 2009, 06:52 PM

^ Now see, THAT is a good argument against the principle. There is indeed room for abuse and ethical issues... the creation of catgirls being the most shining example. I'll join you in the pyrotechnication.

Jimbo07 · 16th July 2009, 11:04 PM

Does this mean skunkopotamus will be forbidden as well?

linusrichard · 16th July 2009, 11:13 PM

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

While nothing involving humans has reached that stage, human-animal combos have also been made.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n..._chimeras.html

Let's take a look...

Quote:

Chinese scientists at the Shanghai Second Medical University in 2003 successfully fused human cells with rabbit eggs. ...

Okay...

Quote:

In Minnesota last year researchers at the Mayo Clinic created pigs with human blood flowing through their bodies.

All right...

Quote:

And at Stanford University in California an experiment might be done later this year to create mice with human brains.

ImaginalDisc · 16th July 2009, 11:17 PM

Originally Posted by linusrichard

Quote:

And at Stanford University in California an experiment might be done later this year to create mice with human brains.

That's the same thing they do every night.

Z · 16th July 2009, 11:18 PM

Originally Posted by Jimbo07

Does this mean skunkopotamus will be forbidden as well?

No, we couldn't get rid of Rush that easily.

Darth Rotor · 17th July 2009, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

Apparently, Senator Brownback watched too many sci-fi fantasies and decided to champion a bill that bans the creation of human-animal hybrids. 20 people signed and endorsed this bill, including McCain.

WTF? Are these people crazy?!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677#31914213

I guess he wants to sponsor a safe sex bill after all.

Possible Sen Brownback remark to our own Dark Lord of the Pith:

"If ya do the goat, Marquis, it is now the law that you wrap that rascal. We got no use for satyrs in America."

Drysdale · 17th July 2009, 10:31 AM

I say let them waste time on this kinda legislation.

Less damage done with cap and trade,health care reform,and additional stimulus bills.

Just thinking · 17th July 2009, 08:35 PM

What the hell took everyone so long?

tyr_13 · 17th July 2009, 10:17 PM

Can we still have cabbits?

technoextreme · 18th July 2009, 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by Whiplash

ETA: This kind of thing goes to what I talk about all the time, where I think that people (on both sides) have a tendancy to over-react and ramp up the rhetoric and demagoguery. I feel like your post was a bit of a rant driven by extreme dislike of Republicans. I hope you'll step back and think about it, and not react knee jerkishly or emotionally.

I've know about chimera's for a long long time. It isn't a knee jerk reaction to say that there is legitimate science that will be null and voided based off of this moronic law.

Quote:

Actually, it appears they are passing the bill because of research in the UK by a scientist who is trying to make human-cow hybrid stem cells for research. This appears to be a valid scientific endeavor.

What the ****ing hell took those idiots two years? Look mouse human hybrid made two years ago.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/16/op...chimera&st=cse
Argggg.... Its time for me to go to bed. I've had enough stupid for tonight.

INRM · 20th July 2009, 05:17 PM

I'd have to agree that creating mice with human brains is going way too far...

But I don't know if all human/animal hybrid genetic-research efforts should be banned though...

INRM

technoextreme · 20th July 2009, 08:03 PM

Originally Posted by INRM

I'd have to agree that creating mice with human brains is going way too far...

But I don't know if all human/animal hybrid genetic-research efforts should be banned though...

INRM

Well that is because you happen to think that any progress in science is going way to far.

Travis · 21st July 2009, 07:13 AM

Frankly I'm wondering what is so bad about this. Are we afraid that a Humanzee will conquer us? Are we afraid a Hucow would be picked on and abused?

EvilSmurf · 21st July 2009, 12:34 PM

I, for one, welcome our new Human/Animal hybrid overlords.

15th July 2009, 12:42 PM	#1
thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 13,315	Republicans introduce anti human/animal hybrid bill Apparently, Senator Brownback watched too many sci-fi fantasies and decided to champion a bill that bans the creation of human-animal hybrids. 20 people signed and endorsed this bill, including McCain. WTF? Are these people crazy?! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677#31914213
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15th July 2009, 01:45 PM	#5
thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 13,315	Originally Posted by Ziggurat What's your objection? That nobody would bother? That such things can't be done? Or that they should be allowed to be done? Yes, AFAIK there is no pushy by scientists to do this. This bill is actually just stupid and silly, it's a waste of time. There are far better things congress could be doing rather than wasting time.
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15th July 2009, 01:49 PM	#6
TShaitanaku Muse Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 932	Originally Posted by thaiboxerken Apparently, Senator Brownback watched too many sci-fi fantasies and decided to champion a bill that bans the creation of human-animal hybrids. 20 people signed and endorsed this bill, including McCain. WTF? Are these people crazy?! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677#31914213 Aside from the assinine interpretation given by herr Olbermann which I guess should be expected, this bill could have serious impacts on a wide range of genetic and medical research and treatment. There is an extensive body of work being done with a variety of domestic livestock (pigs, cows and sheep predominantly) to produce a variety of organ and tissues which incorporate elements of human dna. Additionally, I'm not sure how specific this bill is worded but it could also eliminate much of the genetic surgery therapies that are currently in experimental trials, as the viral agents used to transport and insert the dna strands into the patient's cells (thinking about the genetic treatment for diabetes in particular) could be considered such a human hybrid lifeform. Of course, I disagree with their issue, but I understand where they are coming from. The issue they aren't considering is that humans are animals, so a human-animal hybrid is redundantly-superfluous nonsense. The goal is to prey on the stupid with man mating and cross-breeding with other animals imagery, a goal that Keith couldn't help but perpetuate, then again he always was a much better sportscaster than political pundit (not that he was particularly good with sports).
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15th July 2009, 01:55 PM	#7
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15th July 2009, 01:13 PM	#3
Ziggurat Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 13,873	What's your objection? That nobody would bother? That such things can't be done? Or that they should be allowed to be done? If the first, well, OK, but whatever. Not really any worse than Congress declaring an official pickle week. There are far worse things Congress could be doing than wasting time. If the second, such things can be done. And have been done. I present to you: the geep (apparently shoat is already taken). While nothing involving humans has reached that stage, human-animal combos have also been made. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n..._chimeras.html If the third, well, I'm not really sure what can be said on the topic other than a lot of Americans would want such things made illegal.
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leftysergeant Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 6,717	Originally Posted by thaiboxerken Apparently, Senator Brownback watched too many sci-fi fantasies and decided to champion a bill that bans the creation of human-animal hybrids. 20 people signed and endorsed this bill, including McCain. WTF? Are these people crazy?! You know who Sarah Palin is, right? And Michelle Bachman? And you have to ask that? I mean DUH!

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thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 13,315	Apparently, someone is attempting to make human-cow hybrid cells to further medical and scientific research. http://www.lifenews.com/bio2890.html So, thus, again, the republicans are trying to stunt science.
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Ziggurat Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 13,873	Originally Posted by thaiboxerken So, thus, again, the republicans are trying to stunt science. That can be said of any ethics laws or regulations which limit what scientists do. You will have a hard time convincing many people that such restrictions are categorically unacceptable. Differences about where exactly to draw the line are exactly that: the idea that we should be drawing ethical lines at all regarding acceptable and unacceptable research is a settled debate. You'll have to do better than this, thai.
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TShaitanaku Muse Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 932	Originally Posted by leftysergeant I recall reading somewhere that most of the existing human cell cultures were contaminated with mouse DNA. Wouldn't those have to be destroyed? And of course that is the real issue, how do you identify "human" DNA? AFAIK the only thing that makes any DNA unique is its complete composite structure, and even this is greatly similar among closely related species. As I said before the goal of the legislation had nothing to do with any serious issue, it was more of a "gather the peasants and give them torches" move. And then we have blubbering fools like Olbermann confusing the issues and trying to use the same action to do the same thing with the villiage idiots on the opposite side of the fence.
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thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 13,315	Olbermann is simply responding to the silly statements that the Republicans arguing for the bill are presenting. I'd hardly say he's being a village idiot on the other side of the fence. He's only pointing out that those people are idiots.
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Whiplash Acting like a maniac Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Shipwrecked and Comatose Posts: 4,001	Originally Posted by thaiboxerken It's still silly, TS, as they are simply trying to stunt the medical sciences again with their idiotic ideologies. While I don't support this waste of time either, do you honestly think that a bill to keep from doing any kind of human/animal hybrid stuff is actually "stunting the medical sciences"? You said yourself that it's not something scientists are pushing towards. And is a respect for human life an "idiotic ideology"? (let me save you the cheapshot, respect for human life except for prisoners on death row, I know, I know). Why do I get the feeling you will insist on seeing this as a religious thing? Can not civlilized people, religious or not, agree that animal/human hybrids would be very bizzare freaks of nature and not something we should probably ever try to get mixed up in? The idea of such monsters with a human consciousness seems rather chilling to me. I'm not supporting the bill, just questioning your comments here. I think you are really reaching to turn this into a "religion trying to force thier values onto us" thing. Really reaching. Are you going to suggest it's a slipperly slope next? ETA: This kind of thing goes to what I talk about all the time, where I think that people (on both sides) have a tendancy to over-react and ramp up the rhetoric and demagoguery. I feel like your post was a bit of a rant driven by extreme dislike of Republicans. I hope you'll step back and think about it, and not react knee jerkishly or emotionally.
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15th July 2009, 04:00 PM	#20
thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 13,315	Originally Posted by Whiplash While I don't support this waste of time either, do you honestly think that a bill to keep from doing any kind of human/animal hybrid stuff is actually "stunting the medical sciences"? You said yourself that it's not something scientists are pushing towards. Actually, it appears they are passing the bill because of research in the UK by a scientist who is trying to make human-cow hybrid stem cells for research. This appears to be a valid scientific endeavor. Quote: And is a respect for human life an "idiotic ideology"? (let me save you the cheapshot, respect for human life except for prisoners on death row, I know, I know). The "respect" they want to give human life appears to be religiously based. Making a man-cow stem cell in no way devaluates human live. Quote: Why do I get the feeling you will insist on seeing this as a religious thing? Can not civlilized people, religious or not, agree that animal/human hybrids would be very bizzare freaks of nature and not something we should probably ever try to get mixed up in? The idea of such monsters with a human consciousness seems rather chilling to me. Perhaps because it proposed by a fundamentalist christian. Quote: I'm not supporting the bill, just questioning your comments here. I think you are really reaching to turn this into a "religion trying to force thier values onto us" thing. Really reaching. Are you going to suggest it's a slipperly slope next? No, I'm saying that this is a really, REALLY stupid bill. Quote: ETA: This kind of thing goes to what I talk about all the time, where I think that people (on both sides) have a tendancy to over-react and ramp up the rhetoric and demagoguery. I feel like your post was a bit of a rant driven by extreme dislike of Republicans. I hope you'll step back and think about it, and not react knee jerkishly or emotionally. I have a dislike of morons who try to pass retarded bills.
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16th July 2009, 11:13 AM	#22
Morrigan Crone of War Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 2,891	Real, functional human-animal hybrids would be really awesome! Imagine sentient birdmen, wolfmen, and so on. \m/
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16th July 2009, 11:58 AM	#23
Tricky Radical centrist Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Group W bench Posts: 27,287	I totally agree with these Centaurs... er... Senators. (I was confused when I saw the horses, asses.)

16th July 2009, 03:25 PM	#24
casebro Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3,728	You mean Senataurs? The IPU warned me to watch out for them.
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16th July 2009, 03:48 PM	#25
applecorped Rotten to the core Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 5,681	Originally Posted by Darth Rotor Possible motive, unstated, is that the guys behind it wanted to come out of it hung like a bull. They'd try for a horse next ... Shoot for the moon and go for a Blue whale
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16th July 2009, 05:25 PM	#26
Checkmite Skepticifimisticalationist Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Third in line Posts: 8,649	If any of them stoop so low as to create catgirls, I will personally be pyrotechnicating the evil bastards.
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16th July 2009, 06:52 PM	#27
Morrigan Crone of War Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 2,891	^ Now see, THAT is a good argument against the principle. There is indeed room for abuse and ethical issues... the creation of catgirls being the most shining example. I'll join you in the pyrotechnication.
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16th July 2009, 11:04 PM	#28
Jimbo07 Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 3,235	Does this mean skunkopotamus will be forbidden as well?
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16th July 2009, 11:13 PM	#29
linusrichard Master Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Lansing, Mich. Posts: 2,355	Originally Posted by Ziggurat While nothing involving humans has reached that stage, human-animal combos have also been made. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n..._chimeras.html Let's take a look... Quote: Chinese scientists at the Shanghai Second Medical University in 2003 successfully fused human cells with rabbit eggs. ... Okay... Quote: In Minnesota last year researchers at the Mayo Clinic created pigs with human blood flowing through their bodies. All right... Quote: And at Stanford University in California an experiment might be done later this year to create mice with human brains.

16th July 2009, 11:17 PM	#30
ImaginalDisc Proactive Untwister of Octagonal Hippopotamus Pants Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Miami, Fl Posts: 10,049	Originally Posted by linusrichard Quote: And at Stanford University in California an experiment might be done later this year to create mice with human brains. That's the same thing they do every night.
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16th July 2009, 11:18 PM	#31
Z D.D.D. Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: In a den in my lair, on the edge of your mind. Posts: 9,166	Originally Posted by Jimbo07 Does this mean skunkopotamus will be forbidden as well? No, we couldn't get rid of Rush that easily.
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17th July 2009, 09:49 AM	#32
Darth Rotor Salted Sith Cynic Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Rat cheer Posts: 26,802	Originally Posted by thaiboxerken Apparently, Senator Brownback watched too many sci-fi fantasies and decided to champion a bill that bans the creation of human-animal hybrids. 20 people signed and endorsed this bill, including McCain. WTF? Are these people crazy?! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677#31914213 I guess he wants to sponsor a safe sex bill after all. Possible Sen Brownback remark to our own Dark Lord of the Pith: "If ya do the goat, Marquis, it is now the law that you wrap that rascal. We got no use for satyrs in America."
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17th July 2009, 10:31 AM	#33
Drysdale Muse Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 575	I say let them waste time on this kinda legislation. Less damage done with cap and trade,health care reform,and additional stimulus bills.
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17th July 2009, 08:35 PM	#34
Just thinking Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 4,546	What the hell took everyone so long?
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17th July 2009, 10:17 PM	#35
tyr_13 Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,019	Can we still have cabbits?
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18th July 2009, 07:59 PM	#36
technoextreme Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,886	Originally Posted by Whiplash ETA: This kind of thing goes to what I talk about all the time, where I think that people (on both sides) have a tendancy to over-react and ramp up the rhetoric and demagoguery. I feel like your post was a bit of a rant driven by extreme dislike of Republicans. I hope you'll step back and think about it, and not react knee jerkishly or emotionally. I've know about chimera's for a long long time. It isn't a knee jerk reaction to say that there is legitimate science that will be null and voided based off of this moronic law. Quote: Actually, it appears they are passing the bill because of research in the UK by a scientist who is trying to make human-cow hybrid stem cells for research. This appears to be a valid scientific endeavor. What the ****ing hell took those idiots two years? Look mouse human hybrid made two years ago. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/16/op...chimera&st=cse Argggg.... Its time for me to go to bed. I've had enough stupid for tonight.
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