David Icke on Vaccines (Newsletter Preview)

[Mac53]

Bold and Underlie is my stuff....
Here it is....

The David Icke Newsletter Goes Out On Sunday

Jane Burgermeister has filed bioterrorism charges with the FBI against Avir Green Hills Biotechnology, based in Austria; Baxter AG, also in Austria; and its parent company Baxter International in Deerfield, Illinois. Guess which company is providing much of the swine flu vaccine for mass inoculation - Baxter International. This is the same Baxter International that sent bird flu virus to European laboratories 'by mistake' earlier this year and it was mixed with a seasonal flu virus to create a much more dangerous strain.

Last year at least 81 people were killed by Baxter International's contaminated blood-thinning product, heparin, which was made in China from, among other things, pig intestines. Isn't pharmaceutical medicine wonderful? The contaminated heparin also seriously injured hundreds of others and it was revealed that the factory of Baxter's Chinese supplier had never been inspected by either American or Chinese public 'protection' agencies.

More than 50 dialysis patients died in 2001 because of faults with Baxter International equipment, and this month Baxter Healthcare Corporation, a subsidiary of Baxter International, reached an out-of-court settlement of two million dollars with the State of Kentucky. Baxter had been caught inflating the cost of intravenous drugs sold to Kentucky Medicaid by as much as 1,300 per cent.

This is clearly a company you can trust and it is now is a major source of the swine flu vaccine that governments across the world want to impose upon entire populations with the most minimal safety checks. The vaccine is being fast-tracked through the regulatory system with safety trials lasting less than a week. The London Times reported:

'Regulators at the European Medicines Agency said the fast-tracked procedure has involved clinical trials of a "mock-up" vaccine similar to the one that will be used for the biggest mass vaccination programme in generations. It will be introduced into the general population while regulators continue to carry out simultaneous clinical trials.'

My emphasis.

The scale and speed of the planned vaccination programme is insane given that the overwhelming majority of those who have contracted the virus have had very mild symptoms. Dr Peter Holden of the Rothschild-controlled British Medical Association said that although swine flu was not causing serious illness they were eager to start a mass vaccination campaign, beginning with 'priority groups'. Ugh?? This is not about public health and never was.

This sounds interesting anyone care to debunk or is he on the money (except for pitching in the Rothschild ownership stuff).

Has anyone done some extensive research in this field???

[LightinDarkness]

You've got to be kidding me. This is the standard anti-vaxx woo propaganda.

All it is is the use of hasty generalization - because someone somewhere died due to a medical product made by a vaccine manufacturer, we should all act hysterical and never take vaccines. Of course it forgets to mention that tens of millions of people have had their lives saved by such products.

This is called far mongering, and it is a staple of what David Icke does. Vaccines - including the swine flu vaccine - are safe and perfectly fine for 99.99% of people to take.

[Dr. Lao]

I lost a friend on facebook over this. He posted a video by this nut, and I challenged him about the shapeshifting aliens. He didn't like that, and refused to answer.

No great loss, he is a really angry man who believes any and all conspiracies, and has really fallen down the nut hole in the last year.

[Mac53]

Originally Posted by Dr. Lao

I lost a friend on facebook over this. He posted a video by this nut, and I challenged him about the shapeshifting aliens. He didn't like that, and refused to answer.

No great loss, he is a really angry man who believes any and all conspiracies, and has really fallen down the nut hole in the last year.

Well, regarding the Alien thing David Icke himself has not proven it as fact and admits it is just viewpoint from around the world. He related the different account of the serpant etc... You see people take things to far and discredit him before they realize that he never said it was fact....

I think Most CTs just do believing not so much understanding and getting the full info, they seek the conclusion.

Where does it say that a vaccine has saved millions of lives? And where is it that you say few people died form the vaccine? I think your just perpetuating a simple newsletter preview.

"The scale and speed of the planned vaccination programme is insane given that the overwhelming majority of those who have contracted the virus have had very mild symptoms. Dr Peter Holden of the Rothschild-controlled British Medical Association said that although swine flu was not causing serious illness they were eager to start a mass vaccination campaign, beginning with 'priority groups'. Ugh?? This is not about public health and never was."

This is his point i do not think he says anywhere in this post that vaccines kill people but rather the government or what ever is pushing it without good evidence of an epidemic.

he also goes on to say the deaths that the laboratory has caused based on negligence. Once again your making **** up from nowhere. I have presented info and you have added info based on a general conspiracy that vaccines are made to kill people or something.

If your going to add some ridicules point based on no evidence at least link me to where david icke says it or something.

Sigh...i expected more from this forum... (some people posted good stuff but this one i regret posting. No real info.)

[LightinDarkness]

Originally Posted by Mac53

Well, regarding the Alien thing David Icke himself has not proven it as fact and admits it is just viewpoint from around the world. He related the different account of the serpant etc... You see people take things to far and discredit him before they realize that he never said it was fact....

This is insane. Because someone claims alien reptilians "is just an opinion" does not make the idea anymore legitimate.

Originally Posted by Mac53

I think Most CTs just do believing not so much understanding and getting the full info, they seek the conclusion.

CTs like you, you mean?

Originally Posted by Mac53

Where does it say that a vaccine has saved millions of lives? And where is it that you say few people died form the vaccine? I think your just perpetuating a simple newsletter preview.

I think your trying to spread anti-vaxx woo and completely ignore the obvious. That is the point - the "newsletter" IGNORES that millions of lives have been saved by vaccines and attempts to make a hasty generalization fallacy that because someone has died from a medical product, we should all not trust them to create a safe vaccine. If you can't read your own propaganda talking points, its not my problem.

Originally Posted by Mac53

"The scale and speed of the planned vaccination programme is insane given that the overwhelming majority of those who have contracted the virus have had very mild symptoms. Dr Peter Holden of the Rothschild-controlled British Medical Association said that although swine flu was not causing serious illness they were eager to start a mass vaccination campaign, beginning with 'priority groups'. Ugh?? This is not about public health and never was."

Actually, yes, it is. And it has always been about public health. Do you even read the garbage you quote? The Rothschilds do not control the British Medical Association. The swine flu is a pandemic, it is most certainly a public health issue.

Originally Posted by Mac53

This is his point i do not think he says anywhere in this post that vaccines kill people but rather the government or what ever is pushing it without good evidence of an epidemic.

Wrong. There is plenty of evidence, you just choose to ignore it:

Quote:

(Geneva) -- The swine flu pandemic is moving so quickly it's pointless to try to count every case.

That's the word from the World Health Organization, which has revised its requirements so that authorities only need to report clusters of severe cases, distinctive outbreaks or deaths.

Trying to track every case saps the ability of agencies to investigate serious cases.
The agency declared swine flu had reached pandemic stage in June.

The WHO says, quote, "in past pandemics, influenza viruses have needed more than six months to spread as widely as the new H1N1 virus has spread in less than six weeks." Experts estimate at least one million people are infected with swine flu in the U.S.

Originally Posted by Mac53

he also goes on to say the deaths that the laboratory has caused based on negligence. Once again your making **** up from nowhere. I have presented info and you have added info based on a general conspiracy that vaccines are made to kill people or something.

Yet again you are spreading David Icke propaganda without facts. There is no evidence that these deaths occurred due to negligence. You have presented no information.

Originally Posted by Mac53

If your going to add some ridicules point based on no evidence at least link me to where david icke says it or something.

I have - its all in the propaganda you've quoted.

Originally Posted by Mac53

Sigh...i expected more from this forum... (some people posted good stuff but this one i regret posting. No real info.)

No, you didn't. You are a conspiracy theory shill trying to act like a skeptic and you thought if you would just copy and paste David Icke propaganda that people would somehow fall for it. Sorry, doesn't work that way.

[Nogbad]

Swine flu is relatively mild as flus go but still there are deaths. Although classed as mild, I was talking to someone who had it she said she thought she was a goner - it was horrible.

Is there a mad panic to vaccinate? They say it won't be ready until October by which time it may well have taken a turn for the worse and be more vicious.

Rather than in a hurry to vaccinate for strange reasons might it not be the case that Governments are in a hurry to get a vaccine ready because if hundreds start dying they will get the blame for not doing enough?

Never misunderestimate the venal desire for self preservation on the part of politicians.

David Icke is a nice chap but he really has taken the scenic path to the land of weird.

[sleepy_lioness]

Originally Posted by Mac53

the Rothschild-controlled British Medical Association

Sorry, but to anyone who's ever had any dealings at all with the BMA, the thought that anyone in the world can 'control' them is just hysterical ... have you ever tried to get a group of senior doctors to do *anything* they didn't want to do??!

[T.A.M.]

History tells us that the second wave of a particular flu can be much worse then the first. I suspect this trend, combined with the fact that this particular strain of flu seems to have an increased percentage of serious sequelae in the younger age group, is why we are being prepared for a much worse scenario. I get regular briefings by fax on the h1n1 flu, and the most recent is calling for all physicians to be properly fitted for a mask.

In the end, who knows, we will see what happens in the fall.

TAM

[T.A.M.]

Originally Posted by sleepy_lioness

Sorry, but to anyone who's ever had any dealings at all with the BMA, the thought that anyone in the world can 'control' them is just hysterical ... have you ever tried to get a group of senior doctors to do *anything* they didn't want to do??!

Have you been able to do so with Dentists? Engineers? Self-employed business men?

TAM

[sleepy_lioness]

Originally Posted by T.A.M.

Have you been able to do so with Dentists? Engineers? Self-employed business men?

TAM

Dunno - I've never been employed in a position where I had to negotiate with them

Plus, doctors as a group, especially senior consultants, are not known for their modesty and lack of arrogance ...

(don't get me wrong, I admire the medical profession hugely - it's just that having had dealings with the BMA I found it very funny to think of them being 'controlled' by anyone - herding cats doesn't get close)

[T.A.M.]

Originally Posted by sleepy_lioness

Dunno - I've never been employed in a position where I had to negotiate with them

Plus, doctors as a group, especially senior consultants, are not known for their modesty and lack of arrogance ...

(don't get me wrong, I admire the medical profession hugely - it's just that having had dealings with the BMA I found it very funny to think of them being 'controlled' by anyone - herding cats doesn't get close)

Sorry, I meant you in the British people/British govt sense.

My point was that Doctors are no different then any other professional (engineer, dentist, etc...). They all tend to be an independent bunch who don't take lightly being told what to do. Especially physicians who are Fee-For-Service, and hence self-employed (more so in America where they are not paid by the govt, as they are here in Canada, and most of Europe).

TAM

[Mac53]

Bold is mine..hope you respond this time.

Originally Posted by LightinDarkness

This is insane. Because someone claims alien reptilians "is just an opinion" does not make the idea anymore legitimate.



CTs like you, you mean?

Because i question things, seek information? Why can people not have opinions, science is opinion based on current facts which change and do change. So if your going to throw away all possible theorys based on the fact you don't like david icke then what is it your going to learn, and better yet how does the world evolve? The people who change the world generally are challenge by the simple minded people afraid of the vary change. Look at history and shut the **** up.

I am not a CTs, i am someone who tries to look at everything and say that is possible, sounds reasonable. Because with more information maybe it will turn out to be true. When you take away possibilities you leave not but an unexplained world which will never be explained.

I think your trying to spread anti-vaxx woo and completely ignore the obvious. That is the point - the "newsletter" IGNORES that millions of lives have been saved by vaccines and attempts to make a hasty generalization fallacy that because someone has died from a medical product, we should all not trust them to create a safe vaccine. If you can't read your own propaganda talking points, its not my problem.

Millions of lives have been saved based on what fact? Do tell me? Sounds liek a conspiracy. Where these people dieing and get the vaccine or took the vaccine and nothing happened. So if i have cancer eat and apple cancer goes away the apple had ot do it right? This coming from the guy who says im a conspiracy theorist and i spread anti vax woo. Yet you just assume..things.

When did i say "DONT TAKE VAX, because i want you all killed? I did not, i asked people what proof is there, no links nothing jsut "they said so and i read somewhere. I am looking for info and you accuse me yet again of **** that is untrue. Seems as if you have more traits of a conspiracy theorist.

Actually, yes, it is. And it has always been about public health. Do you even read the garbage you quote? The Rothschilds do not control the British Medical Association. The swine flu is a pandemic, it is most certainly a public health issue.

Read my original post, i specifically said to ignore the Rothschild stuff because it is a bunch of crap speculation. Yet you liek to ignore things i see and draw your own conclusion to look smarter?

Seems to me the swine flu is a pandemic in the news. I don't or have never heard anyone within my city even die of such a thing maybe it only exists in some places? How did it originate, what caused it and how did people catch it?

Wrong. There is plenty of evidence, you just choose to ignore it:


Links please. You words mean nothing. Once again, you assume your right which you may be and completely turn this into a "i must prove him wrong" argument/thread. I am looking for info.


Yet again you are spreading David Icke propaganda without facts. There is no evidence that these deaths occurred due to negligence. You have presented no information.

What propaganda can you link to me where i say "Do not take the vacine" I don't care what you do, i don't control your life and i will nto tell someone to do or not do something with their health. Do link that line where i have "spread propaganda" or you jsut assuming **** again?

I have - its all in the propaganda you've quoted.



No, you didn't. You are a conspiracy theory shill trying to act like a skeptic and you thought if you would just copy and paste David Icke propaganda that people would somehow fall for it. Sorry, doesn't work that way.

I am acting like no one. I am questioning what this article means. I posted it and said "can i get some facts and have people debunked this" What did i get back? "you a shill, there is evidence" Yet you shown nothing but talk smack, assume a whole lot and identify me as a stereotype.

How am i a conspiracy theory shill? Dosn't shill means i'm against it? Or you jsut adding more words to make it seem interesting? I am a skeptic? No no, i am looking at evidence which seems to not be linked nads asking for it. While you spend your posts talking about assumptions and CTs and what your belifs about things are. I don't care what oyu think i want to know what you know. I want to know facts, good sources or information. (you provided none.

I am not supporting david icke and as well, why is it you trash all his information have you read it all and disproved every single point or hear about reptilians and assume as you liek to do, that he is some crazy mad nut. He has some thing that may be wrong or speculative and based on very little to no evidence but what have yo upresented in this thread? And you slam David Icke who shows what evidence he has (many peopel aroudn hte world, posts information etc) I have not read all his info, i don't agree with all of it. But he says some things that are spot on and then some that arn't.

Are you just looking to be controled by someone else because you can't think for yourself? Do you jsut want to think the media reports 100% fact/truth and therefore your brain can go into a sleeping mode?

You really need to rethink what you say and start by posting evidence and stop assuming crap. I expected this forum to be filled iwht people with information that i can ask because so many sources of information are biased. Media is biased Alternative media is biased to a subject.

And you can join those two.

Looking forward ot more assumptions...

[LightinDarkness]

Originally Posted by Mac53

Bold is mine..hope you respond this time.

I've responded every time.

Originally Posted by Mac53

I am acting like no one. I am questioning what this article means. I posted it and said "can i get some facts and have people debunked this" What did i get back? "you a shill, there is evidence" Yet you shown nothing but talk smack, assume a whole lot and identify me as a stereotype.

As usual the facts debunk you...again. You are not questioning what the article means, you posted it to spread anti-vaxx propaganda. The only person smack talking is you.

Originally Posted by Mac53

How am i a conspiracy theory shill? Dosn't shill means i'm against it? Or you jsut adding more words to make it seem interesting? I am a skeptic? No no, i am looking at evidence which seems to not be linked nads asking for it. While you spend your posts talking about assumptions and CTs and what your belifs about things are. I don't care what oyu think i want to know what you know. I want to know facts, good sources or information. (you provided none.

You advocate for conspiracies while trying to act like a skeptic. You don't care about the evidence, otherwise you would do a simple google search and see the reams of evidence that debunks anti-vaxx woo. Even wikipedia has an article debunking it.

You have provided nothing.

Originally Posted by Mac53

I am not supporting david icke and as well, why is it you trash all his information have you read it all and disproved every single point or hear about reptilians and assume as you liek to do, that he is some crazy mad nut. He has some thing that may be wrong or speculative and based on very little to no evidence but what have yo upresented in this thread? And you slam David Icke who shows what evidence he has (many peopel aroudn hte world, posts information etc) I have not read all his info, i don't agree with all of it. But he says some things that are spot on and then some that arn't.

David Icke believes Alien reptilians reside in people like George Bush and the Queen of England. He is a crackpot. This is your same old tactic of using the argument from ignorance fallacy: I do not need to read and watch every single one of David Icke's propaganda films or money making newsletters to know he is nuts. Just like I don't have to know by touching fire that it is hot, I can put my hand near it and know it.

Nothing David Icke says is "spot on." Please provide examples of where David Icke is correct.

Originally Posted by Mac53

Are you just looking to be controled by someone else because you can't think for yourself? Do you jsut want to think the media reports 100% fact/truth and therefore your brain can go into a sleeping mode?

Ding, ding, ding - further proof we have a conspiracy theorist on our hands here. Using the classical CT approach of claiming that anyone supporting the facts can't think for themselves. The irony here it is that, like all CTs, it is you who want to have other people - crackpots, in this case - do your thinking for you.

Originally Posted by Mac53

You really need to rethink what you say and start by posting evidence and stop assuming crap. I expected this forum to be filled iwht people with information that i can ask because so many sources of information are biased. Media is biased Alternative media is biased to a subject.

I've already posted the evidence that has debunked you. You need to learn the concept of burden of proof: it is you who have proposed anti-vaxx propaganda, now provide the evidence. David Icke isn't "alternative media", by the way.

Originally Posted by Mac53

And you can join those two.

Looking forward ot more assumptions...

Still waiting for you to do something other than make assumptions and cry for evidence to disprove your CT claims...

[dudalb]

Quote:

I am not supporting david icke and as well, why is it you trash all his information have you read it all and disproved every single point or hear about reptilians and assume as you liek to do, that he is some crazy mad nut.

Great FSM, if somebody thinks that most of the leaders of thw world are secretly alien reptilians in disguise, what the hell are we supposed to think about that person?
That is the kind of belief that makes just about anything he says VERY suspect.

[Mac53]

Originally Posted by dudalb

Great FSM, if somebody thinks that most of the leaders of thw world are secretly alien reptilians in disguise, what the hell are we supposed to think about that person?
That is the kind of belief that makes just about anything he says VERY suspect.

Oh sorry forgot about the perfect people that only show up on the internet.

Why is that theory not possible? Because it sounds crazy. So does the earth begin round as opposed ot the fact of it being flat. Not that the two are somehow connected. But the thing is people support what ever there beliefs are. If you didn't you would not be sure of anything and therefore sit in your room all day long and not certain about anything.

Just because someone either makes a mistake or believes in something crazy does not disprove or discredit something else.

So should i judge what you wrote here as your entire character and everything you are? So if the first post i read about you is an error of typing or information, do i assume your a moron who doesn't know what he is talking about and therefore i should not listen to anything he says?

What logic is it that one person makes a mistake or does something different and there for everything they do is 100% wrong. So i assume that you are perfect have done nothing wrong, live a perfect ideal life and laugh at al lthe morons and their urological theory's of reptilians?

I am not defending the theory so so you don't go off and say i'm a nut as well which i notice is a common theme on this forum or maybe just topic. Life isn't about 2 things. Write nad wrong, there is many option that combine the two and you got to examine all of them. But of course in the idealistic mind of yours everything is either right or wrong. Nothing is pure right and nothing is pure wrong thus my search of more information.

I expect more from someone who joins a sophisticated forum or at least i assumed so. Or is it jsut a biased forum towards a certain type of belief?

I enjoy ranting since everything i say is assumed to be something other then what it is. So i take more time to explain. if you find any more flaws in this post feel free to post it.

I think david himself has admitted there is no proof for reptilian HYBRIDS ( i assume you did not even look into the theory just the general crap to then spite it) It is reptilian hybrids. but what do you care, you hear david icke and think wrong. and i can say i think of you and think illogical moron who basis his arguments based on his belief system...

[LightinDarkness]

The more Mac responds, the more he shows himself to be a CTer.

Originally Posted by Mac53

Oh sorry forgot about the perfect people that only show up on the internet.

This is again another logical fallacy and a straw man.

Originally Posted by Mac53

Why is that theory not possible? Because it sounds crazy. So does the earth begin round as opposed ot the fact of it being flat. Not that the two are somehow connected. But the thing is people support what ever there beliefs are. If you didn't you would not be sure of anything and therefore sit in your room all day long and not certain about anything.

Again, argument from ignorance fallacy.

Originally Posted by Mac53

Just because someone either makes a mistake or believes in something crazy does not disprove or discredit something else.

Straw man again. But the truth is that if someone believes in the insane, without any evidence for it, it does indeed give insights into their thinking process that can be used in a valid manner for their other "theories."

Originally Posted by Mac53

So should i judge what you wrote here as your entire character and everything you are? So if the first post i read about you is an error of typing or information, do i assume your a moron who doesn't know what he is talking about and therefore i should not listen to anything he says?

Yep. Anytime I or any other JREFer posts that alien reptilians are controlling the world, you would be perfectly valid in believing we are nuts.

Originally Posted by Mac53

What logic is it that one person makes a mistake or does something different and there for everything they do is 100% wrong. So i assume that you are perfect have done nothing wrong, live a perfect ideal life and laugh at al lthe morons and their urological theory's of reptilians?

Again, yet another straw man. Still waiting for you to say something that is not a logical fallacy.

Originally Posted by Mac53

I am not defending the theory so so you don't go off and say i'm a nut as well which i notice is a common theme on this forum or maybe just topic. Life isn't about 2 things. Write nad wrong, there is many option that combine the two and you got to examine all of them. But of course in the idealistic mind of yours everything is either right or wrong. Nothing is pure right and nothing is pure wrong thus my search of more information.

Relativism fallacy.

Originally Posted by Mac53

I expect more from someone who joins a sophisticated forum or at least i assumed so. Or is it jsut a biased forum towards a certain type of belief?

I'm sorry we don't so easily fall for your propaganda. You won't be the first CTer to join and lament that the JREF did not fall in line and praise your in depth wisdom of the truth.

Originally Posted by Mac53

I enjoy ranting since everything i say is assumed to be something other then what it is. So i take more time to explain. if you find any more flaws in this post feel free to post it.

Well so far all you've contributed is a series of rants and logical fallacies. We don't really have much to discuss because you have yet to do anything but attempt to spread propaganda.

Originally Posted by Mac53

I think david himself has admitted there is no proof for reptilian HYBRIDS ( i assume you did not even look into the theory just the general crap to then spite it) It is reptilian hybrids. but what do you care, you hear david icke and think wrong. and i can say i think of you and think illogical moron who basis his arguments based on his belief system...

Again, argument from ignorance. There is no such thing as reptilian aliens - hybrid or otherwise.

[Mac53]

Originally Posted by LightinDarkness

The more Mac responds, the more he shows himself to be a CTer.



This is again another logical fallacy and a straw man.

Your opinion., no fact, no evidence. Just you hate towards a certain tpye of person. I am questioning this. Unlike you who just believes it.

Again, argument from ignorance fallacy.

What does this prove? You ignore my statment and say it's fallacy good tactic.

Straw man again. But the truth is that if someone believes in the insane, without any evidence for it, it does indeed give insights into their thinking process that can be used in a valid manner for their other "theories."

Wonderful, where is you evidence i asked you about 7 times or more now? On many different threads. I am asking questions about the vaccines and wanted to know what people thought of this and to provide evidence. Once again you attack me and what i think instead of hte information given. Ego boost? Stick to he info show the evidence.

If it is fallacy then show the evidence.

Yep. Anytime I or any other JREFer posts that alien reptilians are controlling the world, you would be perfectly valid in believing we are nuts.

No, i would ask for evidence and dismiss the claim for not having evidence of such claims. And would just say that you do not belive in it.

If a black man steels it it completely valid to say "it is because it is black". This this not what i believe i jsut use your logic.

Again, yet another straw man. Still waiting for you to say something that is not a logical fallacy.

again another ignorance of the statment. You said it 3 times. And you ignored my question and fail to provide the links so i cna do research and gian the facts as you did. Or are you just interesting in increasing you ego boost by bashing me for questioning both sides? If i am a CT and a beliver in fallacy then why is it that i in the other thread have dismissed 3 of the claims of Bill Cooper. Funny how someone who believes in fallacy would dissmiss claims based on the fact they where proven incorrect or invalid.

Relativism fallacy.

ignore the posts more, and jsut stick in "it's fallacy, cuz i said so and therefore i am right" Evidence..why i jsut enjoying bashing people and wasting time.

I'm sorry we don't so easily fall for your propaganda. You won't be the first CTer to join and lament that the JREF did not fall in line and praise your in depth wisdom of the truth.

What propaganda? My questioning of theorys both CT and normal? I have already dismissed many CT and are only questioing tings. As form the start of the post i have told you i want information. I use ot be a CT. I just want to know where the facts lie, you want to bash me, insult me ignore my posts and increase your self eesteem? You provide no evidence, you do not disprove it with the facts.

Am i suppose to just believe what you say? Is that what you want? Can you not jsut say, hey www.conspiracytheoriesdebunked.net is a great site and here is another link within that site spcifically about vaccines. Noe you still hang on to repeating the fact i'm a CT which makes no difference to the claim and thread. If you want ot call me a CT fine. I object and say i am only questioing and belivign in the possibility and dissmiss those that are proving invalid. But go make a thread Mac53 is a CT.

Well so far all you've contributed is a series of rants and logical fallacies. We don't really have much to discuss because you have yet to do anything but attempt to spread propaganda.

All i did was copy paste the David Icke newsletter and wanted opinions and facts about vaccines from the people wh have studided it. If these claims that David Icke make are false, wonderful show the links to the proof and i am on my wy to discover the truth. What is the need for all the bashing and saying it propaganda? If i wanted ot spread propaganda i would just post "David icke is right, vaccines kill people." Read original post and STFU.

Again, argument from ignorance. There is no such thing as reptilian aliens - hybrid or otherwise.

Coming form you i will laugh. You ignored everything i said with the statement it's fallacy. I use your logic now. Your argument is fallacy as well. I have no proof i just like to bash people online because it feels great.

Show the proof becuse i want to see it, and understnad what it is your saying. HENCE ME MAKING A THREAD. here let me show you a quote of what i said and maybe you can STFU get the evidence and we cna move on.

"This sounds interesting anyone care to debunk or is he on the money (except for pitching in the Rothschild ownership stuff).

Has anyone done some extensive research in this field???"

Funny, how you bash me when i ask that. Funny how you spin your own crap to try to insult me. Are you here to reconfirm your belifs and bash people for questioning you?

Evidence please SO I CAN RESEARCH. you don't need to proove anything just point me to the evidence.

[LightinDarkness]

Yawn. Same old, same old. Repeating the same tactics won't result in a different result, Mac.

Originally Posted by Mac53

Coming form you i will laugh. You ignored everything i said with the statement it's fallacy. I use your logic now. Your argument is fallacy as well. I have no proof i just like to bash people online because it feels great.

Wow, another statement on the CT mindset. You don't know what logical fallacies mean, do you? It means that you attempted to argue a point that is a well known fallacy, and that as such, there is nothing for me to respond to. No point was made by you, you followed classical disinformation tactics using typical logical fallacies by CTs that have been well documented.

Originally Posted by Mac53

Show the proof becuse i want to see it, and understnad what it is your saying. HENCE ME MAKING A THREAD. here let me show you a quote of what i said and maybe you can STFU get the evidence and we cna move on.

This is a lie. If you cared about all the reams of evidence debunking this you could have done a simple google search or read a wikipedia article on it. Both result in tons of results debunking this anti-vaxx propaganda points.

But instead, you have engaged in the classical CT propaganda method: purpose a insane idea and then demand that everyone debunk it. That isn't how this works. You have the burden of proof. You have to present the evidence that shows these anti-vaxx points are correct.

Originally Posted by Mac53

Has anyone done some extensive research in this field???"

As you would know if you cared to do a simple google search, research has been done and debunked this since the anti-vaxx movement started.

Originally Posted by Mac53

Funny, how you bash me when i ask that. Funny how you spin your own crap to try to insult me. Are you here to reconfirm your belifs and bash people for questioning you?

More whining from you - sound and fury signifying nothing.

Originally Posted by Mac53

Evidence please SO I CAN RESEARCH. you don't need to proove anything just point me to the evidence.[/b]

No one is going to do your research for you. You don't want to do any research. You thought you were going to get away with shifting the burden of proof. Doesn't work that way. Present your evidence that these propaganda points are real, and we are happy to debunk you...again.

Originally Posted by Mac53

Coming form you i will laugh. You ignored everything i said with the statement it's fallacy. I use your logic now. Your argument is fallacy as well. I have no proof i just like to bash people online because it feels great.

Yet again, the fact that you do not understand what logical fallacies mean is not my problem. I suggest you do the research instead of trying to use them over and over again - perhaps then you won't act hysterical when it is pointed out what you are doing.

Originally Posted by Mac53

Show the proof becuse i want to see it, and understnad what it is your saying. HENCE ME MAKING A THREAD. here let me show you a quote of what i said and maybe you can STFU get the evidence and we cna move on.

Wrong. It is up to you to show the proof that anti-vaxx propaganda is correct. That is how burden of proof works.

[Mac53]

Originally Posted by LightinDarkness

Yawn. Same old, same old. Repeating the same tactics won't result in a different result, Mac.



Wow, another statement on the CT mindset. You don't know what logical fallacies mean, do you? It means that you attempted to argue a point that is a well known fallacy, and that as such, there is nothing for me to respond to. No point was made by you, you followed classical disinformation tactics using typical logical fallacies by CTs that have been well documented.



This is a lie. If you cared about all the reams of evidence debunking this you could have done a simple google search or read a wikipedia article on it. Both result in tons of results debunking this anti-vaxx propaganda points.

But instead, you have engaged in the classical CT propaganda method: purpose a insane idea and then demand that everyone debunk it. That isn't how this works. You have the burden of proof. You have to present the evidence that shows these anti-vaxx points are correct.



As you would know if you cared to do a simple google search, research has been done and debunked this since the anti-vaxx movement started.



More whining from you - sound and fury signifying nothing.



No one is going to do your research for you. You don't want to do any research. You thought you were going to get away with shifting the burden of proof. Doesn't work that way. Present your evidence that these propaganda points are real, and we are happy to debunk you...again.



Yet again, the fact that you do not understand what logical fallacies mean is not my problem. I suggest you do the research instead of trying to use them over and over again - perhaps then you won't act hysterical when it is pointed out what you are doing.



Wrong. It is up to you to show the proof that anti-vaxx propaganda is correct. That is how burden of proof works.

You seem to think i want to prove this Anti Vax "hoax". I am just asking for evidences i can read up on what your facts are. Or is this not aloud? Your facts are sacred things?

I care not for your opinion.

Just point me to the research you have done and we are on our way. No need for your opinion on what the truth is. Just want ot get pointed towards the facts. Thats all. The guy in the BIll cooper thread posted sutff. Can't you just do the same?

I'll type this one more time jsut so you understand.

I am as of now denying every CS as fact. I do not have the facts for them so i am looking for the facts that deny them I came ot JREF from a guy who pointed me here to learn about 9/11 and stuff like that. Can you lease point me to the evidence or not?

Your logic seems as if i am supose ot belive it because everyone else does and there is no proof disregarding it or i fail to provide it. i am just trying to learn. You are trying ot bash me over and over again. Stop. Just post what i am looking for and i'l lstop posting.

Thanks

Mac

[LightinDarkness]

Originally Posted by Mac53

[b]You seem to think i want to prove this Anti Vax "hoax". I am just asking for evidences i can read up on what your facts are. Or is this not aloud? Your facts are sacred things?

Wrong. You have asked for evidence to debunk anti-vaxx propaganda but have failed to offer any proof that anti-vaxx propaganda is true. If you want evidence you could have used google or wikipedia, you did not because you don't care about the evidence.

Originally Posted by Mac53

I care not for your opinion.

You interpret everything that debunks you as a opinion.

Originally Posted by Mac53

Just point me to the research you have done and we are on our way. No need for your opinion on what the truth is. Just want ot get pointed towards the facts. Thats all. The guy in the BIll cooper thread posted sutff. Can't you just do the same?

Point me to the research you have done that shows we should not take vaccines and that they are dangerous. If you have not done any research and can provide no links, then we don't have anything to debunk.

Originally Posted by Mac53

I'll type this one more time jsut so you understand.

Mac53 translation: I know I've been exposed but I hope if I repeat the same things over and over no one will notice.

Originally Posted by Mac53

I am as of now denying every CS as fact. I do not have the facts for them so i am looking for the facts that deny them I came ot JREF from a guy who pointed me here to learn about 9/11 and stuff like that. Can you lease point me to the evidence or not?

If you don't have any facts or evidence in favor of these CTs how are we supposed to debunk them? Why aren't you using google to do your own research?

Originally Posted by Mac53

Your logic seems as if i am supose ot belive it because everyone else does and there is no proof disregarding it or i fail to provide it. i am just trying to learn. You are trying ot bash me over and over again. Stop. Just post what i am looking for and i'l lstop posting.

Yet again, another attempt to confuse burden of proof. You are not trying to learn, because anything that doesn't fit what you want to believe you dismiss.

[LightinDarkness]

This takes 5 seconds to pull up and provides peer reviewed and scientific sources that debunk anti-vaccination propaganda:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_controversy

You mean to tell me you spend hours insulting me and everyone else who posts on these boards and demand that we provide you evidence, and you could not find this?

[Mac53]

Originally Posted by LightinDarkness

Wrong. You have asked for evidence to debunk anti-vaxx propaganda but have failed to offer any proof that anti-vaxx propaganda is true. If you want evidence you could have used google or wikipedia, you did not because you don't care about the evidence.



You interpret everything that debunks you as a opinion.



Point me to the research you have done that shows we should not take vaccines and that they are dangerous. If you have not done any research and can provide no links, then we don't have anything to debunk.



Mac53 translation: I know I've been exposed but I hope if I repeat the same things over and over no one will notice.



If you don't have any facts or evidence in favor of these CTs how are we supposed to debunk them? Why aren't you using google to do your own research?



Yet again, another attempt to confuse burden of proof. You are not trying to learn, because anything that doesn't fit what you want to believe you dismiss.

So i take it you won't show me evidence os i can learn and therefore must try to prove the case true and if that fails then the case is false?

I suppose the answer is yes?

I did find this link, not by some crayz guy making up claims but has lots of sources etc. Seems interesting Opinions on this?

http://www.whale.to/b/hoax1.html
http://www.naturalnews.com/022617.html (this is from naturalnews, a site about naturalk health and that is against the bi9g pharma, not sure how reliable)

will post more as i find them. Instead of arguing with me just say. "I do not have ot post evidence, you bring up a claim try to prove it."

Ok thanks.

MAc

[LightinDarkness]

Originally Posted by Mac53

So i take it you won't show me evidence os i can learn and therefore must try to prove the case true and if that fails then the case is false?

I suppose the answer is yes?

JREF is not your personal google board. You need to provide evidence of a claim and state what the claim is, which can be debunked.

Originally Posted by Mac53

I did find this link, not by some crayz guy making up claims but has lots of sources etc. Seems interesting Opinions on this?

http://www.whale.to/b/hoax1.html

Actually, the guy is quite crazy, and there is no scientific evidence on that page. Just a whole bunch of logical fallacies (particularly appeal to authority).

But anyways, every issue on that page has been debunked:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_controversy

Originally Posted by Mac53

will post more as i find them. Instead of arguing with me just say. "I do not have ot post evidence, you bring up a claim try to prove it."

Ok thanks.

MAc

But you aren't really doing anything but link spamming without citing any claims. This is not evidence. You need to provide specific claims and evidence for those claims, which can then be debunked.

[Mac53]

Originally Posted by LightinDarkness

JREF is not your personal google board. You need to provide evidence of a claim and state what the claim is, which can be debunked.



Actually, the guy is quite crazy, and there is no scientific evidence on that page. Just a whole bunch of logical fallacies (particularly appeal to authority).

But anyways, every issue on that page has been debunked:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_controversy

wiki? ARE YOU SERIOUS? this is your facts and how they are debunked.

Ok i'm done. Was taking this seriously. There is no evidence? Guy is crazy? WTF? You read all that in 5 mins? Boy what is your reading speed?

WIKI. And this is the source of your proof. Wow. And then you call me a CT sourcing wiki and saying the link is debunked.

LOL. epic

But you aren't really doing anything but link spamming without citing any claims. This is not evidence. You need to provide specific claims and evidence for those claims, which can then be debunked.

i'll jsut do my own research, i'm done here was under the impression i cna ask questions get answers. I ask questions get insulted. Ok thanks though.

Mac

[LightinDarkness]

Originally Posted by Mac53

i'll jsut do my own research, i'm done here was under the impression i cna ask questions get answers. I ask questions get insulted. Ok thanks though.

Mac

You aren't interested in doing research, you want to believe in woo. Otherwise you wouldn't be posting here demanding that things be debunked that you provide no evidence for.

By the way, in case you haven't noticed Wikipedia has citations - as does that article. But you didn't look at them because you don't care about the evidence. I'd much rather trust Wikipedia over the personal website of a CT loon. LOL. EPIC! (By the way, you really must be a kid with all this GTFO and EPIC language).

[Mojo]

Originally Posted by Mac53

I did find this link, not by some crayz guy making up claims but has lots of sources etc. Seems interesting Opinions on this?

http://www.whale.to/b/hoax1.html

Yeah, lots of "interesting" sources on there.

Ever heard of Scopie's Law?

[timhau]

Originally Posted by dudalb

Great FSM, if somebody thinks that most of the leaders of thw world are secretly alien reptilians in disguise, what the hell are we supposed to think about that person?

Hey, it's just an opinion.

[Mac53]

Originally Posted by Mojo

Yeah, lots of "interesting" sources on there.

Ever heard of Scopie's Law?

why do you link to wiki? And then laugh at "interesting sources"

I just asked for links to where i can research the topics, you cna just provide them and keep you opinion to yourself.

Ask yourself, is it rational to bash someone? Is it worth time? Just provide the link(s) they want or point them into the direction of which research(proper research) can be done. I don't get half hte things people say, do people get offended by CT?

Get over it, people belive crazy things. If your offended by it it shows how secure you are about your beliefs.

I did find hte resources, after looking myself. I really don't like this forum, just because more arguing over if i am a CT was done then just linking me ot resources i can use. Unless i am suppose to just go to Google and hope i land on the correct sites that support the "truth".

I provide something, in this case a preview to an article and i only get opinions of david icke or Anti Vax hoax. And i think one post about the information itself. And then obviously no links where i cna study this, (some where given i think)

Mac

[Dr. Lao]

Dude, learn to type, spell and use the english language.

Icke is a nut, there are scads of evidence about it.

You have to prove that he is NOT a nut, you are the one sticking up for the crazy man, so convince us that he isn't crazy.

Reptiles rule the earth?

Proof

[Mac53]

Originally Posted by Dr. Lao

Dude, learn to type, spell and use the english language.

Icke is a nut, there are scads of evidence about it.

You have to prove that he is NOT a nut, you are the one sticking up for the crazy man, so convince us that he isn't crazy.

Reptiles rule the earth?

Proof

I care not for your opinion of people. Should i construct my opinion of you based on the few posts i seen of you. Did i say i believe David Icke? Did i say vaccine are toxic and contain lead. Did i say that reptiles exist?

I asked for places to research this stuff. So i can be informed. I did the same thing towards 9/11 and was misunderstood by the replys. People assumed i was sticking up for 9/11 CT but rahter was looking for the resources which was pointed out to me after i read all the thread of hate, flaming and opinion of me and obviously found a "go to the resources to debunking 9/11 at top of page"

So i did, read most of the stuff, and realize the valid theory here is that the official Story holds up.

I still don't understand the need to share your opinion of the poster. Is it relavant to the information given? Heres a thought...

Say you encountered with CT or a person researching them. You then are asked to disprove the Inside Job CT. Instead of ranting on and on just say "look at top of page there are resources for researching this" end thread.

Simple as that. So why do we have like so many reply and no links, directions ot resources so that OP(me) can find the information i am looking for?

Keep it simple, no need ot bash people for what they believe.

So does anyone have any useful resources i can use in the researching of the topic Vaccines? And any resources on Debunking Icke besides your opinion of him being a "nut".

Why does it matter what you think of David Icke, just debunk his theory's. What is the need for people on the internet to share their opinions of people, in a hateful way with insults against people they don't like. Is that not discrimination? Do you also insult James Randi? Or jsut look at his info and study his works?

I bet the lot of you here that insult David Icke would not have the courage to do so in a real life situation. You would not even have the courage to walk up to him. i am not defending icke but presenting my observations of a problem i see amongst the Internet people and discrimination against groups/individuals they simply don't like based on there information.

Off topic but i feel i needed to present my observations. Back on topic, can anyoen provide me with some resources or do i need ot do this myself and struggle to find the correct information?

[T.A.M.]

Originally Posted by Mac53

So i take it you won't show me evidence os i can learn and therefore must try to prove the case true and if that fails then the case is false?

I suppose the answer is yes?

I did find this link, not by some crayz guy making up claims but has lots of sources etc. Seems interesting Opinions on this?

http://www.whale.to/b/hoax1.html
http://www.naturalnews.com/022617.html (this is from naturalnews, a site about naturalk health and that is against the bi9g pharma, not sure how reliable)

will post more as i find them. Instead of arguing with me just say. "I do not have ot post evidence, you bring up a claim try to prove it."

Ok thanks.

MAc

www.whale.to was enough for me to lose confidence in your research. That site is a well known CT site, and 90% of what is on it is PURE BUNK.

As for naturalnews, or any other natural products sites, they have as much of a vested interest in their side of things, as big pharma does in theirs. Did you know that almost all "natural" products are unregulated or extremely poorly regulated?

At least when you get Cipro 500mg, you know you are getting 500mg of Ciprofloxacin...you cannot say the same for any of the natural products...take at own risk, and at risk of own pocket book.

Don't even get me started on the vaccine ********.

TAM

[T.A.M.]

Originally Posted by Mac53

I care not for your opinion of people. Should i construct my opinion of you based on the few posts i seen of you. Did i say i believe David Icke? Did i say vaccine are toxic and contain lead. Did i say that reptiles exist?

I asked for places to research this stuff. So i can be informed. I did the same thing towards 9/11 and was misunderstood by the replys. People assumed i was sticking up for 9/11 CT but rahter was looking for the resources which was pointed out to me after i read all the thread of hate, flaming and opinion of me and obviously found a "go to the resources to debunking 9/11 at top of page"

So i did, read most of the stuff, and realize the valid theory here is that the official Story holds up.

I still don't understand the need to share your opinion of the poster. Is it relavant to the information given? Heres a thought...

Say you encountered with CT or a person researching them. You then are asked to disprove the Inside Job CT. Instead of ranting on and on just say "look at top of page there are resources for researching this" end thread.

Simple as that. So why do we have like so many reply and no links, directions ot resources so that OP(me) can find the information i am looking for?

Keep it simple, no need ot bash people for what they believe.

So does anyone have any useful resources i can use in the researching of the topic Vaccines? And any resources on Debunking Icke besides your opinion of him being a "nut".

Why does it matter what you think of David Icke, just debunk his theory's. What is the need for people on the internet to share their opinions of people, in a hateful way with insults against people they don't like. Is that not discrimination? Do you also insult James Randi? Or jsut look at his info and study his works?

I bet the lot of you here that insult David Icke would not have the courage to do so in a real life situation. You would not even have the courage to walk up to him. i am not defending icke but presenting my observations of a problem i see amongst the Internet people and discrimination against groups/individuals they simply don't like based on there information.

Off topic but i feel i needed to present my observations. Back on topic, can anyoen provide me with some resources or do i need ot do this myself and struggle to find the correct information?

you seem like a sensible person, so I will try to address the above issues...

1. You did not say any of the things you mention in your first paragraph, but often ones approach, and the language and tone, can make people perceive a certain intent or stance on the given subject. This forum gets people joining ALL THE TIME, who claim to be agnostic or just curious about a subject, but within a few dozen posts it becomes clear they have a strong opinion, and were BSing with their "I am an agnostic" line.

2. I am glad you took peoples advice, and read the 9/11 links. Just as I said above, and perhaps ten times more so, on the CT subforum we get people coming there continuously, claiming to be agnostic and just asking questions, and it is all just a sham.

3. This is a forum. Forums are like communities. They are filled with all sorts of people and all sorts of backgrounds, opinions, and ways of doing things. Now you can ask, and wish for everyone to be congenial, helpful, and pleasant, but it ain't likely gonna happen. Instead, do what you would do if your encounter occurred in real life, either (A) give as good as you get, or (B) use the ignore feature and limit your discussions and encounters with those that treat you the way you like.

4. Vaccines - The FDA, the AAFP and AMA are good places. These sites are run by PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATIONS, not bitter people with grudges or anger issues.

5. I would have no problem with walking up to Mr. Icke and telling him his ideas are absolutely insane, and that he might want to seek psychiatric help. Would not think twice about it if I ever met the man.


TAM

[Mac53]

Originally Posted by T.A.M.

you seem like a sensible person, so I will try to address the above issues...

1. You did not say any of the things you mention in your first paragraph, but often ones approach, and the language and tone, can make people perceive a certain intent or stance on the given subject. This forum gets people joining ALL THE TIME, who claim to be agnostic or just curious about a subject, but within a few dozen posts it becomes clear they have a strong opinion, and were BSing with their "I am an agnostic" line.

2. I am glad you took peoples advice, and read the 9/11 links. Just as I said above, and perhaps ten times more so, on the CT subforum we get people coming there continuously, claiming to be agnostic and just asking questions, and it is all just a sham.

3. This is a forum. Forums are like communities. They are filled with all sorts of people and all sorts of backgrounds, opinions, and ways of doing things. Now you can ask, and wish for everyone to be congenial, helpful, and pleasant, but it ain't likely gonna happen. Instead, do what you would do if your encounter occurred in real life, either (A) give as good as you get, or (B) use the ignore feature and limit your discussions and encounters with those that treat you the way you like.

4. Vaccines - The FDA, the AAFP and AMA are good places. These sites are run by PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATIONS, not bitter people with grudges or anger issues.

5. I would have no problem with walking up to Mr. Icke and telling him his ideas are absolutely insane, and that he might want to seek psychiatric help. Would not think twice about it if I ever met the man.


TAM

Yea i agree. I have "strong opinion" on 9/11 in the form of questions really. That where unanswered for me because the truth movement is filled with incomplete theorys and information. it is a faith based ideology.

Can you believe i thought all this time that there was no evidence and thought it was only scientific opinion. Only to look at NIST having saved steel and stuff like that...

The truth movement is like marketing, if you want to sell a ******, half ass product you got to make sure people don't know about it. You need to create the image it is all good, and the rest people will believe in.

the other day i saw on the DI forum a sticky about the WTC 7 building known to collapse 20-30 min before it did. This has been debunked by the BBC people. They cling on ot that, and people become dumb and believe it. It makes sense, until it is proved by the people who made a mistake in the report.

Thanks, i will be posting around as i find stuff i need some help on.

Thanks for the support!

Mac

[Dr. Lao]

Mac, simple. I hire people. If they can't put together a resume, have spelling errors or are unable to construct a sentence, they don't get looked at.

As for your so called open mind. You have been an Icke follower before you came here. You are pulling the same old CT tactics.

You can't prove any of Icke's claims, you want us to disprove them.

That's not how it works, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

[dudalb]

AND I don't think evidence that most of the world's leaders are Reptilian Aliens in disguise is coming out anytime soon.

[wicked_ways]

Originally Posted by Mac53

<snip> big time

Off topic but i feel i needed to present my observations. Back on topic, can anyoen provide me with some resources or do i need ot do this myself and struggle to find the correct information?

Yes, Mac53, do the bolded part.
Find the information, read it, and then argue your point.
Yes, look it up.
Please, in the name of FSM, look it up!


ETA, sorry Mac53, I see you are getting it.

[Mojo]

Originally Posted by Mac53

why do you link to wiki? And then laugh at "interesting sources"

I just asked for links to where i can research the topics, you cna just provide them and keep you opinion to yourself.

the trouble is that the "I'm just asking" approach (especially when accompanied by an OP which simply quotes at length from a questionable source without any real comment on it beyond "is this right or wrong") is one frequently employed by proponents of the views quoted. It allows them to post the material without having to defend it.

[dudalb]

Originally Posted by Mojo

the trouble is that the "I'm just asking" approach (especially when accompanied by an OP which simply quotes at length from a questionable source without any real comment on it beyond "is this right or wrong") is one frequently employed by proponents of the views quoted. It allows them to post the material without having to defend it.

We even have a term for the "Just Asking Questions" routine..."JAQing off".

[Mac53]

Ok, thanks for responses. I'l lignore the people who need to repeat what been said 25 million times.

I posted this thinking i cna get some opinions and sources on the topic. Next time i will bring certain points with evidence and i guess that will be the way...

Thanks.

Mac

[AbelovPes]

Hahaha, this was a good read - like exchange of two frustrated teenagers... hey guys did you actually really watched/read his stuff or just made it through two lines and a picture and become instant experts?

I listened to the David Icke and in most parts his delivery was rather coherent mostly about loss of personal freedom and the dangers of socialist type of governance.

Except until he ventured into the reptilian agenda. I simply couldn't understand why he had to nearly always end up there until I watched his earlier stuff. Then I understand.

After watching some of the much earlier TV interviews with him in his "blue" period when he was dressed in some jogging suit and claimed to receive message from above, it become clear - he was probably a good journalist who got a very strange ideas about his very own importance in a form of borderline madness or schizophrenia.

That's my honest open-minded asessment of himself as he can be both very real and surreal two sentences apart.

His reptilian message is as good as His Noodly appendage - it has no real value that can be extracted from it. It is like saying, "the powers to be are crashing economy and society by large, but hey, they are reptilians so its ok, that's what reptilians do".

And as to the anti-vaxx, the usage of ethylmercury and increased usage of squalene especially in children annual flu vaccines is a controversial topic even between doctors. And the flu-vaccine effectiveness is another topic du jour.