ESP and neuroimaging

critterrice · 23rd July 2009, 04:50 PM

This article is about a year old. I searched but didn't see it referred to anywhere else so I thought I'd put it up.

http://www.harvardscience.harvard.ed...trate-esp-real

I think it's a really cool article, and another roshambo against ESP.

Zeuzzz · 23rd July 2009, 09:14 PM

What is ESP exactly?

Would the hardvard study on tibettan monks medidating and raising temparatures to well beyond normal capacity be counted as 'ESP' too? Or another effect?

Mind controls body in extreme experiments - HARVARD GAZETTE ARCHIVES

Quote:

Breathtaking results

Some Westerners practice g Tum-mo, but it often takes years to reach states like those achieved by Buddhist monks. In trying to find groups he could study, Benson met Westerners who claimed to have mastered such advanced techniques, but who were, in his words, "fraudulent."

Benson decided that he needed to locate a religious setting, where advanced mediation is traditionally practiced. His opportunity came in 1979 when the Dalai Lama, spiritual leader of Tibet, visited Harvard University. "His Holiness agreed to help me," recalls Benson. That visit was the beginning of a long friendship and several expeditions to northern India where many Tibetan monks live in exile.

During visits to remote monasteries in the 1980s, Benson and his team studied monks living in the Himalayan Mountains who could, by g Tum-mo meditation, raise the temperatures of their fingers and toes by as much as 17 degrees. It has yet to be determined how the monks are able to generate such heat.

The researchers also made measurements on practitioners of other forms of advanced meditation in Sikkim, India. They were astonished to find that these monks could lower their metabolism by 64 percent. "It was an astounding, breathtaking [no pun intended] result," Benson exclaims.

To put that decrease in perspective, metabolism, or oxygen consumption, drops only 10-15 percent in sleep and about 17 percent during simple meditation. Benson believes that such a capability could be useful for space travel. Travelers might use meditation to ease stress and oxygen consumption on long flights to other planets.

In 1985, the meditation team made a video of monks drying cold, wet sheets with body heat. They also documented monks spending a winter night on a rocky ledge 15,000 feet high in the Himalayas. The sleep-out took place in February on the night of the winter full moon when temperatures reached zero degrees F. Wearing only woolen or cotton shawls, the monks promptly fell asleep on the rocky ledge, They did not huddle together and the video shows no evidence of shivering. They slept until dawn then walked back to their monastery.

INRM · 24th July 2009, 03:04 PM

So to disprove telepathy they showed the information to family-members, people close to the subject. Since the subject did not pick it up, it disproves it

To verify clairvoyance they showed them a picture on a distant computer screen to see if the subject was just processing the information subliminally?

To very precognition they showed the image again to see if the person was just recalling the image they saw the first time?

INRM

23rd July 2009, 04:50 PM	#1
critterrice Scholar Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 78	ESP and neuroimaging This article is about a year old. I searched but didn't see it referred to anywhere else so I thought I'd put it up. http://www.harvardscience.harvard.ed...trate-esp-real I think it's a really cool article, and another roshambo against ESP.

23rd July 2009, 09:14 PM	#2
Zeuzzz Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,146	What is ESP exactly? Would the hardvard study on tibettan monks medidating and raising temparatures to well beyond normal capacity be counted as 'ESP' too? Or another effect? Mind controls body in extreme experiments - HARVARD GAZETTE ARCHIVES Quote: Breathtaking results Some Westerners practice g Tum-mo, but it often takes years to reach states like those achieved by Buddhist monks. In trying to find groups he could study, Benson met Westerners who claimed to have mastered such advanced techniques, but who were, in his words, "fraudulent." Benson decided that he needed to locate a religious setting, where advanced mediation is traditionally practiced. His opportunity came in 1979 when the Dalai Lama, spiritual leader of Tibet, visited Harvard University. "His Holiness agreed to help me," recalls Benson. That visit was the beginning of a long friendship and several expeditions to northern India where many Tibetan monks live in exile. During visits to remote monasteries in the 1980s, Benson and his team studied monks living in the Himalayan Mountains who could, by g Tum-mo meditation, raise the temperatures of their fingers and toes by as much as 17 degrees. It has yet to be determined how the monks are able to generate such heat. The researchers also made measurements on practitioners of other forms of advanced meditation in Sikkim, India. They were astonished to find that these monks could lower their metabolism by 64 percent. "It was an astounding, breathtaking [no pun intended] result," Benson exclaims. To put that decrease in perspective, metabolism, or oxygen consumption, drops only 10-15 percent in sleep and about 17 percent during simple meditation. Benson believes that such a capability could be useful for space travel. Travelers might use meditation to ease stress and oxygen consumption on long flights to other planets. In 1985, the meditation team made a video of monks drying cold, wet sheets with body heat. They also documented monks spending a winter night on a rocky ledge 15,000 feet high in the Himalayas. The sleep-out took place in February on the night of the winter full moon when temperatures reached zero degrees F. Wearing only woolen or cotton shawls, the monks promptly fell asleep on the rocky ledge, They did not huddle together and the video shows no evidence of shivering. They slept until dawn then walked back to their monastery.
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24th July 2009, 03:04 PM	#3
INRM Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,577	So to disprove telepathy they showed the information to family-members, people close to the subject. Since the subject did not pick it up, it disproves it To verify clairvoyance they showed them a picture on a distant computer screen to see if the subject was just processing the information subliminally? To very precognition they showed the image again to see if the person was just recalling the image they saw the first time? INRM
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