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Old 28th July 2009, 05:00 AM   #1
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Birmingham has evidence of aliens!

My sister witnessed this event, and is a loss for an explanation. However, it seems that local paper The Birmingham Mail actually managed to get a photograph of the UFO, answering the question "is there anybody out there?" for ever.

http://www.birminghammail.net/news/b...7319-21469165/
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The 23-year-old housewife said: “There were lots of orange lights floating really high in the sky like Chinese lanterns, but in a direct line.
What could look like chinese lanterns?
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Old 28th July 2009, 06:31 AM   #3
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What could look like chinese lanterns?
Chinese spaceships?
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What's particularly funny about this is that the story is dated last year. But this happened this weekend. Also, the photo is not of King's Heath or Moseley, but Broad St in Birmingham City Centre. The spaceship is real though.

So presumably there's an alien festival every year with Chinese spaceships, yes?

Note: there's a Israa'/Me'raj (Night Journey to Heavens) festival in July, perhaps that could be it. If it wasn't aliens, I mean.

Note2: Or maybe just someone's birthday. An alien, obviously.
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Oh my god. Aliens in Birmingham. The last thing we want is a some strange creatures squeeking away in an unintelligible language to our new found extra terrestrial friends.
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Old 28th July 2009, 07:32 AM   #6
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What's particularly funny about this is that the story is dated last year. But this happened this weekend. Also, the photo is not of King's Heath or Moseley, but Broad St in Birmingham City Centre. The spaceship is real though.

So presumably there's an alien festival every year with Chinese spaceships, yes?

Note: there's a Israa'/Me'raj (Night Journey to Heavens) festival in July, perhaps that could be it. If it wasn't aliens, I mean.

Note2: Or maybe just someone's birthday. An alien, obviously.
Well why complicate things. Occam's razor says the simplest solution is best and aliens is clearly the simplest solution. It requires no thinking at all in order to believe so even simple people can grasp it.
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Judging by the photo, they were trying to find a landing site, but couldn't decipher all those wacko squiggles painted on the road.

How do you Brits navigate with all that junk down there? I'd be half the time on the sidewalk by the looks of it.
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Old 28th July 2009, 01:25 PM   #8
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Originally Posted by Ocelot View Post
Well why complicate things. Occam's razor says the simplest solution is best and aliens is clearly the simplest solution. It requires no thinking at all in order to believe so even simple people can grasp it.
I assume you are just kidding and using sarcasm, because occam razor does not say the "simplest explanation" is the best or whatever, it does only say one should not add unnecessaryly entity for an explanation. And in this case chinese lantern or flare is far better than spaceship. And even if you took "simplest explanation" falre is till the simplest explanation rather than alien really.

Especially that there was an identical hoax not long ago with flare.
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1) The aliens time traveled, duh. How else to explain the time stamp on the article?

2) Real Chinese lanterns strung below a kite or balloon.

I would note the article is not only from last year, but August of last year. I was ready to say "oh they mistyped"...the year AND the month though?
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Without a picture, it's kind of hard to speculate on the possible explanations.
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Originally Posted by Aepervius View Post
I assume you are just kidding and using sarcasm.
Sorry no I was deadly serious. The people who accept such an explanation really are simple and really do so because the explanation requires no thinking at all. I can't imagine how you'd think I was joking about such a thing...
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Old 30th July 2009, 12:24 PM   #12
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Originally Posted by Lothian View Post
Oh my god. Aliens in Birmingham. The last thing we want is a some strange creatures squeeking away in an unintelligible language to our new found extra terrestrial friends.
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Sorry no I was deadly serious. The people who accept such an explanation really are simple and really do so because the explanation requires no thinking at all. I can't imagine how you'd think I was joking about such a thing...
If you really are being serious, then I suggest you read the chapter on simplicity in Popper's book, the Logic of Scientific Discovery. He goes into great detail as to why the term "simple" is no good when assessing logical argument. Regardless, as Aepervius said, Occam's Razor has nothing to do with simplicity and everything to do with unnecessary extras.
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If you really are being serious, then I suggest you read the chapter on simplicity in Popper's book, the Logic of Scientific Discovery. He goes into great detail as to why the term "simple" is no good when assessing logical argument. Regardless, as Aepervius said, Occam's Razor has nothing to do with simplicity and everything to do with unnecessary extras.
Sound's fascinating. Whoever read it to to you, can you get them to have another go at reading what I posted and see they can highlight what exactly it is I was "serious" about.

See I can do patronizing too
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Shows what you know, Ocelot. Razors can't even talk.
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Shows what you know, Ocelot. Razors can't even talk.
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My sister witnessed this event, and is a loss for an explanation. However, it seems that local paper The Birmingham Mail actually managed to get a photograph of the UFO, answering the question "is there anybody out there?" for ever.

http://www.birminghammail.net/news/b...7319-21469165/

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Your sister. She's...not very cute.

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1) The aliens time traveled, duh. How else to explain the time stamp on the article?
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Birmingham England? Heck I thought this happened in Birmingham Al.
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Sound's fascinating. Whoever read it to to you, can you get them to have another go at reading what I posted and see they can highlight what exactly it is I was "serious" about.
Touché. Let me know if you come across any UFOs selling coffee. Looks like I could use some.
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The details could be better. From what I can make out, it was several orange lights, as big as Chinese lanterns, sat in a line in the sky, just sitting there. Fairly high up, I might add. So no lanterns off an aircraft, not unless they were gigantic, and the aircraft is completely incapable of reflecting light, or producing a silhouette. Can't be a balloon, because you would need an impossible speed to keep the lights in a straight line. Anyone with a reasonably serious explanation?
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I should clarify, it happened on the same weekend in 2008 and 2009. Hence the most plausible explanation, to me, is a festival of some sort. Chinese lanterns would fit the bill with the info we had but I will get a better description from my sister.
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Birmingham England? Heck I thought this happened in Birmingham Al.
The lack of mention of anal probes is probably the give-away.
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Coun Neville Summerfield, cabinet member for regeneration at the city council, was among the former non-believers forced to change their tune.
They have a cabinet member for regeneration in Birmingham? So Doctor Who is real?
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Touché. Let me know if you come across any UFOs selling coffee. Looks like I could use some.
Guy's flying economy class back in 1990 when air hostesses were really attractive. The hostess asks the fellow "Would you like some of our TWA coffee" He replies No but I'd like some of your..."

Anyway lets not spoil things with a rude joke. The point is that the story doesn't specify where the plane in question was a Boeing or a Lockheed. As such this flying object is unidentified.
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Aliens have evidence of Birmingham!

http://www.yvonneclaireadams.com/Hos...gleKlingon.jpg
Clealy a fake - shot on a sound stage on the secret government facility at "snodgrow 51"
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I should clarify, it happened on the same weekend in 2008 and 2009. Hence the most plausible explanation, to me, is a festival of some sort. Chinese lanterns would fit the bill with the info we had but I will get a better description from my sister.
Your missing a crucial point here. If they were actual chinese lanterns, then people would recognize them as chinese lanterns. They would also be aware of the festival for which the lanterns were part. I'm suggesting that they were actually some way up, but they looked to be the size of chinese lanterns, making them chinese lanterns higher than people can string em, and able to stay alight in the winds at that altitude, making these chinese lanterns... not chinese lanterns . It could be an extraterrestrial festival :P
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chinese lanterns higher than people can string em, and able to stay alight in the winds at that altitude, making these chinese lanterns... not chinese lanterns .
I think that when people talk about chinese lanterns in this context they're thinking of something like this rather than this- no stringing required.

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in about thirty seconds they are filled with hot air from the flame and are ready to sail majestically up to 1000 feet into the night sky. Originally thought up by the Chinese over 2000 years ago as a warning signal (due to their ability to be seen for miles)
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No guys, you're missing the real gist of this story: it's aliens controlling the minds of the people in Birmingham by *making* them see chinese lanterns because that's their cloaking devices put into operation!

Very efficient, those alpha-centaurians.

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I think that when people talk about chinese lanterns in this context they're thinking of something like this rather than this- no stringing required.
Yup, we usually set a few of those off at festivals in the summer. They go pretty damn high.
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No guys, you're missing the real gist of this story: it's aliens controlling the minds of the people in Birmingham by *making* them see chinese lanterns because that's their cloaking devices put into operation!

Very efficient, those alpha-centaurians.

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Wise choice of thread. I can't see this erupting into a controversy any time soon.




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Yup, we usually set a few of those off at festivals in the summer. They go pretty damn high.
They look very pretty at night, but the first thing I think when I see people sending these off is "fire risk". Are these things safe to let off, particularly in summer when the countryside may be dry? Or is it guaranteed that by the time they come down, the flame will have gone out and they'll have cooled down?
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is it guaranteed that by the time they come down, the flame will have gone out and they'll have cooled down?
I don't suppose it's guaranteed, but I think that's the expectation.

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Yup, we usually set a few of those off at festivals in the summer. They go pretty damn high.
You, er, haven't been to Birmingham this year have you?

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these are amazing, my dad gets them al the time from the internet,, we launch them from our back garde. since then in our town and north yorkshire there has been 5 UFO claims.. the UFO's can be bought above lol
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We bought these a while back and several people in the area have claimed to see UFO's, it's hilarious. They really can pick up speed once they get high enough and will travel for miles. You get 4 in a pack and it's worth the expense when you hear the claims. Let's hope people continue to buy these so those who think there's something else "out there" can feed their insanity. Thanks iwoot, keep 'em coming.
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