FDA faces legal challenge over selenium health claims

blutoski · 1st August 2009, 07:55 PM

Article: [FDA faces legal challenge over selenium health claims]

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A court action has been lodged today which challenges the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) qualified health claims system via five disputed selenium health claims.

blutoskitorial:

There appear to be other related suits from the selenium product distributors.

Possibly related: [Congress bills challenge FDA and FTC power]

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Three bills have been introduced to Congress by Republican House of Representatives member, Ron Paul, that seek to limit how the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) enforce health claims and police health information.

Is something afoot?

technoextreme · 1st August 2009, 08:56 PM

Ron Paul is a moron. A complete and utter moron. In fact those people in both articles are complete and utter morons. The riders are an excellent idea because the quality of information is just as important to make the decision.

Philip · 1st August 2009, 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by blutoski

Article: [FDA faces legal challenge over selenium health claims]

Excerpt:

blutoskitorial:

There appear to be other related suits from the selenium product distributors.

Possibly related: [Congress bills challenge FDA and FTC power]

Excerpt:

Is something afoot?

Both of those links go to the same article.

jasonpatterson · 1st August 2009, 10:10 PM

A libertarian Republican congressman introducing legislation to limit government power isn't going to get far at the moment. Now if he could get Dennis Kucinich in on the game...

I keep hoping for legislation leading the other way, but my rep and senator don't seem to care much for my opinion on the matter, and the supplement companies are good lobbyists, from everything I've heard anyway. I'm right at the edge of a district currently, perhaps it will be redrawn favorably after the census.

technoextreme · 1st August 2009, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by jasonpatterson

A libertarian Republican congressman introducing legislation to limit government power isn't going to get far at the moment. Now if he could get Dennis Kucinich in on the game...

I keep hoping for legislation leading the other way, but my rep and senator don't seem to care much for my opinion on the matter, and the supplement companies are good lobbyists, from everything I've heard anyway. I'm right at the edge of a district currently, perhaps it will be redrawn favorably after the census.

I guess this is a good thing though. If the FDA is getting people angry they must be doing their job. As long as Ron Paul doesn't get his way but when is the last time Ron Paul ever got his way.

Skeptic Ginger · 1st August 2009, 11:10 PM

I wouldn't describe this as a legal challenge. I'd describe it as a terrible bill being introduced in Congress.

A legal challenge would be someone filing a lawsuit.

But aside from that, what an idiot. I'm curious how the Libertarian skeptics in this community view this lunacy.

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technoextreme · 2nd August 2009, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by skeptigirl

I wouldn't describe this as a legal challenge. I'd describe it as a terrible bill being introduced in Congress.

Yeah there is a legal challenge though. He incorrectly linked. I was referring to that article. The legal challenge is utterly stupid from what I read and the fact that its annoying people is a good thing.
http://www.nutraingredients-usa.com/...-health-claims

technoextreme · 2nd August 2009, 09:23 AM

Ok. I am a little bit more happy now that I know Ron Paul is a failure at accomplishing anything he wants. Apparently, he has introduced this bill in 2005 and 2007. Why do we not know about this guys? We must be more vigilant.

blutoski · 2nd August 2009, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by Philip

Both of those links go to the same article.

Oops. First one: [FDA faces legal challenge over selenium health claims]

Possibly also related: [Bayer to change selenium health claims after threat of lawsuit]

Skeptic Ginger · 4th August 2009, 04:00 AM

Originally Posted by technoextreme

Yeah there is a legal challenge though. He incorrectly linked. I was referring to that article. The legal challenge is utterly stupid from what I read and the fact that its annoying people is a good thing.
http://www.nutraingredients-usa.com/...-health-claims

Oh My FSM!!! This is atrocious. The following are all from your link:

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artificially truncated universe of science

What does that mean?

Quote:

The law states you cannot censor statements of science simply because the science is inconclusive.

If that is the standard, no wonder all the BS claims of products are rarely challenged by the FDA.

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“historical, institutional, stubborn refusal to acknowledge, in an application way, the difference between drug claims and health claims”.

What does this mean?

Quote:

“The FDA, in my opinion, has been significantly overly cautious in applying the health claim principles to actual health claim and qualified health claim situations,” he said. “Either the Congress or the courts need to send a clear message to the FDA that significant efforts of dietary supplement and conventional food companies to engage in sound science should not be discouraged, but should be encouraged.”

Yeah, right.

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“This is an important challenge to the Agency’s efforts to restrict the kind of important health information that you would think it would want consumers to have, especially at a time when the President is talking about the need to incorporate the concept of ‘wellness’ into out healthcare system.”

Oh puleeeaase. Important health information my ass. Wellness, as if.

This is as bad as they get, claiming science is on their anti-science side.

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technoextreme · 4th August 2009, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by skeptigirl

What does that mean?

I honestly don't know. I've seen similar statements before. The last time I saw a statement was in a Salon comment. I think based off the fact that the poster referenced Theron Randolph that they are trying to push any study without quality. Theron created a medical condition called multiple chemical sensitivty aparently without double blinding the studies. Its a pain in the posterier to interpret because most of these statements tout experience and then rail on science. For the life of me I can not reconcile what the hell these people are thinking.

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This is as bad as they get, claiming science is on their anti-science side.

Oooo no. It gets signifcantly worst and convoluted.

1st August 2009, 07:55 PM	#1
blutoski Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 4,405	FDA faces legal challenge over selenium health claims Article: [FDA faces legal challenge over selenium health claims] Excerpt: Quote: A court action has been lodged today which challenges the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) qualified health claims system via five disputed selenium health claims. blutoskitorial: There appear to be other related suits from the selenium product distributors. Possibly related: [Congress bills challenge FDA and FTC power] Excerpt: Quote: Three bills have been introduced to Congress by Republican House of Representatives member, Ron Paul, that seek to limit how the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) enforce health claims and police health information. Is something afoot?
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1st August 2009, 08:56 PM	#2
technoextreme Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,886	Ron Paul is a moron. A complete and utter moron. In fact those people in both articles are complete and utter morons. The riders are an excellent idea because the quality of information is just as important to make the decision.
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1st August 2009, 09:44 PM	#3
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1st August 2009, 10:10 PM	#4
jasonpatterson Philanthropic Misanthrope Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Macedonia, OH Posts: 908	A libertarian Republican congressman introducing legislation to limit government power isn't going to get far at the moment. Now if he could get Dennis Kucinich in on the game... I keep hoping for legislation leading the other way, but my rep and senator don't seem to care much for my opinion on the matter, and the supplement companies are good lobbyists, from everything I've heard anyway. I'm right at the edge of a district currently, perhaps it will be redrawn favorably after the census.
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1st August 2009, 10:23 PM	#5
technoextreme Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,886	Originally Posted by jasonpatterson A libertarian Republican congressman introducing legislation to limit government power isn't going to get far at the moment. Now if he could get Dennis Kucinich in on the game... I keep hoping for legislation leading the other way, but my rep and senator don't seem to care much for my opinion on the matter, and the supplement companies are good lobbyists, from everything I've heard anyway. I'm right at the edge of a district currently, perhaps it will be redrawn favorably after the census. I guess this is a good thing though. If the FDA is getting people angry they must be doing their job. As long as Ron Paul doesn't get his way but when is the last time Ron Paul ever got his way.
	__________________ It's amazing how many of these "paranormal" icons seem to merge together. There always seem to be theories about how they link together in some way. I'm sure someone has a very good explanation as to how Bigfoot killed JFK to help cover Roswell.-Mark Mekes This isn't rocket surgery.-Bill Nye

1st August 2009, 11:10 PM	#6
Skeptic Ginger formerly skeptigirl Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: headed back to that dark dark house in the dark dark woods Posts: 19,317	I wouldn't describe this as a legal challenge. I'd describe it as a terrible bill being introduced in Congress. A legal challenge would be someone filing a lawsuit. But aside from that, what an idiot. I'm curious how the Libertarian skeptics in this community view this lunacy. -
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2nd August 2009, 09:04 AM	#7
technoextreme Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,886	Originally Posted by skeptigirl I wouldn't describe this as a legal challenge. I'd describe it as a terrible bill being introduced in Congress. Yeah there is a legal challenge though. He incorrectly linked. I was referring to that article. The legal challenge is utterly stupid from what I read and the fact that its annoying people is a good thing. http://www.nutraingredients-usa.com/...-health-claims
	__________________ It's amazing how many of these "paranormal" icons seem to merge together. There always seem to be theories about how they link together in some way. I'm sure someone has a very good explanation as to how Bigfoot killed JFK to help cover Roswell.-Mark Mekes This isn't rocket surgery.-Bill Nye

2nd August 2009, 09:23 AM	#8
technoextreme Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,886	Ok. I am a little bit more happy now that I know Ron Paul is a failure at accomplishing anything he wants. Apparently, he has introduced this bill in 2005 and 2007. Why do we not know about this guys? We must be more vigilant.
	__________________ It's amazing how many of these "paranormal" icons seem to merge together. There always seem to be theories about how they link together in some way. I'm sure someone has a very good explanation as to how Bigfoot killed JFK to help cover Roswell.-Mark Mekes This isn't rocket surgery.-Bill Nye

2nd August 2009, 02:54 PM	#9
blutoski Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 4,405	Originally Posted by Philip Both of those links go to the same article. Oops. First one: [FDA faces legal challenge over selenium health claims] Possibly also related: [Bayer to change selenium health claims after threat of lawsuit]
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4th August 2009, 04:00 AM	#10
Skeptic Ginger formerly skeptigirl Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: headed back to that dark dark house in the dark dark woods Posts: 19,317	Originally Posted by technoextreme Yeah there is a legal challenge though. He incorrectly linked. I was referring to that article. The legal challenge is utterly stupid from what I read and the fact that its annoying people is a good thing. http://www.nutraingredients-usa.com/...-health-claims Oh My FSM!!! This is atrocious. The following are all from your link: Quote: artificially truncated universe of science What does that mean? Quote: The law states you cannot censor statements of science simply because the science is inconclusive. If that is the standard, no wonder all the BS claims of products are rarely challenged by the FDA. Quote: “historical, institutional, stubborn refusal to acknowledge, in an application way, the difference between drug claims and health claims”. What does this mean? Quote: “The FDA, in my opinion, has been significantly overly cautious in applying the health claim principles to actual health claim and qualified health claim situations,” he said. “Either the Congress or the courts need to send a clear message to the FDA that significant efforts of dietary supplement and conventional food companies to engage in sound science should not be discouraged, but should be encouraged.” Yeah, right. Quote: “This is an important challenge to the Agency’s efforts to restrict the kind of important health information that you would think it would want consumers to have, especially at a time when the President is talking about the need to incorporate the concept of ‘wellness’ into out healthcare system.” Oh puleeeaase. Important health information my ass. Wellness, as if. This is as bad as they get, claiming science is on their anti-science side. -
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4th August 2009, 12:18 PM	#11
technoextreme Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,886	Originally Posted by skeptigirl What does that mean? I honestly don't know. I've seen similar statements before. The last time I saw a statement was in a Salon comment. I think based off the fact that the poster referenced Theron Randolph that they are trying to push any study without quality. Theron created a medical condition called multiple chemical sensitivty aparently without double blinding the studies. Its a pain in the posterier to interpret because most of these statements tout experience and then rail on science. For the life of me I can not reconcile what the hell these people are thinking. Quote: This is as bad as they get, claiming science is on their anti-science side. Oooo no. It gets signifcantly worst and convoluted.
	__________________ It's amazing how many of these "paranormal" icons seem to merge together. There always seem to be theories about how they link together in some way. I'm sure someone has a very good explanation as to how Bigfoot killed JFK to help cover Roswell.-Mark Mekes This isn't rocket surgery.-Bill Nye Last edited by technoextreme; 4th August 2009 at 12:22 PM.