Obama=Hitler: a form of holocaust denile...

headscratcher4 · 13th August 2009, 08:50 AM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32372258...h-health_care/

An interesting essay from Arthur Caplan, noted bio-ethisist. He suggests, plausibly IMO, that when folks through out words like "Nazi" or "Hitler" in the context of the health care debate to describe Obama or his motives, that they are in fact diminishing and even denying the breadth and scope of the holocaust as well as blatently distorting the philosophy and "science" used by the Nazi's to justify they policies. Anyway, I thought it was an interesting piece.

Policenaut · 13th August 2009, 09:16 AM

Surely they are diminishing the Holocaust with some remarks but how the **** does it make them Holocaust deniers? The people who say that it never happened or was somehow grossly exaggerated. And more dangerous than Ahmadinejad? This guy is floating on a cloud of hyperbole.

Praktik · 13th August 2009, 09:22 AM

Well I've argued similarly, not going so far as calling them "holocaust deniers", but when truthers have called Bush hitler, I've often told them that in so doing they are really distorting history, since the contextual factors of both leaders are so different.

That should be enough.

gtc · 13th August 2009, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by Policenaut

And more dangerous than Ahmadinejad?

That claim kind of undermines the rest of his argument as he is doing pretty much what he complains about other people doing.

That said, saying X = Hitler or saying that X is worse than Hitler usually either exaggerates X's bad points or plays down Hitler's actions even if its not quite Holocaust denial.

ETA. Praktik states it better than I did.

Drudgewire · 13th August 2009, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by Praktik

Well I've argued similarly, not going so far as calling them "holocaust deniers", but when truthers have called Bush hitler, I've often told them that in so doing they are really distorting history, since the contextual factors of both leaders are so different.

That should be enough.

Something tells me the higher-ups at MSNBC had no problem with "Bu$Hitler."

Pink Booties · 13th August 2009, 09:32 AM

Why is it I've seen so many instances of Obama and Hitler in the same sentence on these forums lately? Grrrrr. I paid attention during the W years, and while people said crazy crap about him, people generally didn't make this same outrageous comparison. It's as if nobody knows how to make a subtle point anymore, and everything must be spoken in hyperbole.

That's right, nobody and everything.

headscratcher4 · 13th August 2009, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by Policenaut

Surely they are diminishing the Holocaust with some remarks but how the **** does it make them Holocaust deniers? The people who say that it never happened or was somehow grossly exaggerated. And more dangerous than Ahmadinejad? This guy is floating on a cloud of hyperbole.

Possibly, but the argument follows on a line that suggests that when you use words like Nazi to describe proposed health care reform initiative before the United States Congress it effectively dimminishes the meaning of the evil that the Nazi's and Hitler actually perpetraited. Nazism, its philosophy and science under-pinned a vast killing machine that resulted in the deaths of 10s of millions of people -- with Jews being the particular target of much of the killing. By calling efforts to re-configure health care delivery in the U.S. "Nazi-like" in scope is to use hyperbole that can be viewed as eitehr elevates a debate over policy and spending in a democratic society and makes it equivelent to a deliberately merderous policy and philosopy, or it may conversely suggest that what the Nazi's did wasn't so bad because it really wasn't any different than what is being contemplated in the U.S. Congress just now.

headscratcher4 · 13th August 2009, 09:35 AM

Bush = Hitler/Nazism also deminished the holocaut.

gtc · 13th August 2009, 09:40 AM

Originally Posted by Magnifico2.0

Why is it I've seen so many instances of Obama and Hitler in the same sentence on these forums lately? Grrrrr. I paid attention during the W years, and while people said crazy crap about him, people generally didn't make this same outrageous comparison. It's as if nobody knows how to make a subtle point anymore, and everything must be spoken in hyperbole.

That's right, nobody and everything.

Google Image Search lists slightly more results for 'Bush Hitler' than for 'Obama Hitler'.

Praktik · 13th August 2009, 09:40 AM

Originally Posted by headscratcher4

Possibly, but the argument follows on a line that suggests that when you use words like Nazi to describe proposed health care reform initiative before the United States Congress it effectively dimminishes the meaning of the evil that the Nazi's and Hitler actually perpetraited. Nazism, its philosophy and science uner-pinned a vast killing machine that resulted in the deaths of 10s of millions of people -- with Jews being the particular target of much of the killing. By calling efforts to re-configure health care delivery in the U.S. "Nazi-like" in scope is to use hyperbole that can be viewed as eitehr elevates a debate over policy and spending in a democratic society and makes it equivelent to a deliberately merderous policy and philosopy, or it may conversely suggest that what the Nazi's did wasn't so bad because it really wasn't any different than what is being contemplated in the U.S. Congress just now.

Exactly.

Originally Posted by Drudgewire

Something tells me the higher-ups at MSNBC had no problem with "Bu$Hitler."

Something tells me this assertion is BS.

Drudgewire · 13th August 2009, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by headscratcher4

Bush = Hitler/Nazism also deminished the holocaut.

Yeah, I'm not saying one is OK and the other isn't. It's pretty pathetic either way.

Originally Posted by Praktik

Something tells me this assertion is BS.

I'll just wait for the link to the MSNBC column that said the comparison to Bush and Hitler diminished the Holocaust then.

gtc · 13th August 2009, 09:49 AM

I could only find comments on MSNBC's blog linking Hitler to Bush. The other references I could find were to articles about a judge apologising for linking the two and a teacher being suspended for doing the same thing.

Praktik · 13th August 2009, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by Drudgewire

I'll just wait for the link to the MSNBC column that said the comparison to Bush and Hitler diminished the Holocaust then.

And I'll wait indefinitely for supporting links to evidence the MSNBC execs either used the term or approved of its use.

It was nothing more than an "I Betcha", I bet you're wrong.

Praktik · 13th August 2009, 09:58 AM

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Drudgewire · 13th August 2009, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by Praktik

It was nothing more than an "I Betcha", I bet you're wrong.

Certainly wouldn't be the first time.

Brainster · 13th August 2009, 10:51 AM

Once again, when idiots compare Obama to Hitler (or when they compared Bush to Hitler) they are not really making a point about Obama or Bush. They are making a point about themselves; that they are courageous enough to stand up to a Hitler-type. They are puffing themselves up into the equivalent of the White Rose Society. And that is what they should be scorned for; the members of the White Rose Society were summarily beheaded; Bush and Obama have not done that to any of their political opponents.

headscratcher4 · 13th August 2009, 10:53 AM

Orley Taitz believes Obama has people killed to shut them up about Obama's Kenyan birth... and she's about as credible a source as you could hope for...

Darth Rotor · 13th August 2009, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by Magnifico2.0

Why is it I've seen so many instances of Obama and Hitler in the same sentence on these forums lately? Grrrrr. I paid attention during the W years, and while people said crazy crap about him, people generally didn't make this same outrageous comparison. It's as if nobody knows how to make a subtle point anymore, and everything must be spoken in hyperbole.

That's right, nobody and everything.

I and others predicted ODS would replace BDS. (go back to election time, 2008, on the JREF forums. It's there.)

It has.

Gee, what a surprise.

DR

Ziggurat · 13th August 2009, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by Magnifico2.0

It's as if nobody knows how to make a subtle point anymore, and everything must be spoken in hyperbole.

That's right, nobody and everything.

OK, that I can appreciate.

Cicero · 13th August 2009, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by headscratcher4

Orley Taitz believes Obama has people killed to shut them up about Obama's Kenyan birth... and she's about as credible a source as you could hope for...

A public high school teacher compared Bush to Hilter. I wonder if his students believe him to be a credible source?

"At least 150 Overland High School students walked out of class today to protest administrators' decision to put a teacher on leave while they investigate remarks he made about President Bush during class, including that some people compare Bush to Adolf Hitler."

http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/001615.html

parky76 · 13th August 2009, 08:58 PM

Obama hasn't killed anyone...let alone 12 million innocent people. Comparing him to Hitler is absolutely insane.

NoZed Avenger · 14th August 2009, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by Magnifico2.0

Why is it I've seen so many instances of Obama and Hitler in the same sentence on these forums lately? Grrrrr. I paid attention during the W years, and while people said crazy crap about him, people generally didn't make this same outrageous comparison. It's as if nobody knows how to make a subtle point anymore, and everything must be spoken in hyperbole.

That's right, nobody and everything.

People made at least as many -- and not just low-profile people in demonstrations. A search at the vast majority of marches for the Iraq war will turn up at least a few Bush-as-Hitler photos for each.

Let's check on the high-ranking political front:

Al Gore, fairly high in the Democratic Party at the time, used “brown shirts” more than once. Sitting Senator Durbin used Saddam Hussein for a comparison not with Bush, but our armed forces, while Senator Kennedy prefered to compare them to the forces of Pol Pot, but IIRC, used "Nazis" at least once early on for the armed forces, as well. Senator Byrd settled for the unimaginative "Nazi Germany" when describing the entire Bush administration. Senator Glenn, “It’s the old Hitler business.”

Four Senators and an ex-Vice President/Presidential Candidate.

Popular culture?
Linda Ronstadt, Scott Ritter, Ted Rall, Garrison Keillor, and George Soros. All used Bush = Hitler or Nazi.

Oh, what about the NCAA's Julian Bond? He thought Nazi wasn't bad enough, so he added red-neck, racist confederates to the mix.

These current efforts to effectively downplay the evil of the Nazi regime are just as odious -- but more prevalent? I would guess it's more likely your memory.

Cicero · 14th August 2009, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by parky76

Obama hasn't killed anyone...let alone 12 million innocent people. Comparing him to Hitler is absolutely insane.

Naturally, you came to the same conclusion and posted your objection when it was McCain and Bush on the other side of the Hitler = comparison.

Ziggurat · 14th August 2009, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by parky76

Obama hasn't killed anyone

Yes he has.

And it's a damned good thing he has, too.

13th August 2009, 08:50 AM	#1
headscratcher4 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 6,424	Obama=Hitler: a form of holocaust denile... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32372258...h-health_care/ An interesting essay from Arthur Caplan, noted bio-ethisist. He suggests, plausibly IMO, that when folks through out words like "Nazi" or "Hitler" in the context of the health care debate to describe Obama or his motives, that they are in fact diminishing and even denying the breadth and scope of the holocaust as well as blatently distorting the philosophy and "science" used by the Nazi's to justify they policies. Anyway, I thought it was an interesting piece.
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13th August 2009, 09:22 AM	#3
Praktik Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,804	Well I've argued similarly, not going so far as calling them "holocaust deniers", but when truthers have called Bush hitler, I've often told them that in so doing they are really distorting history, since the contextual factors of both leaders are so different. That should be enough.
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13th August 2009, 09:31 AM	#5
Drudgewire Critical Doofus Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 8,230	Originally Posted by Praktik Well I've argued similarly, not going so far as calling them "holocaust deniers", but when truthers have called Bush hitler, I've often told them that in so doing they are really distorting history, since the contextual factors of both leaders are so different. That should be enough. Something tells me the higher-ups at MSNBC had no problem with "Bu$Hitler."
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13th August 2009, 09:34 AM	#7
headscratcher4 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 6,424	Originally Posted by Policenaut Surely they are diminishing the Holocaust with some remarks but how the **** does it make them Holocaust deniers? The people who say that it never happened or was somehow grossly exaggerated. And more dangerous than Ahmadinejad? This guy is floating on a cloud of hyperbole. Possibly, but the argument follows on a line that suggests that when you use words like Nazi to describe proposed health care reform initiative before the United States Congress it effectively dimminishes the meaning of the evil that the Nazi's and Hitler actually perpetraited. Nazism, its philosophy and science under-pinned a vast killing machine that resulted in the deaths of 10s of millions of people -- with Jews being the particular target of much of the killing. By calling efforts to re-configure health care delivery in the U.S. "Nazi-like" in scope is to use hyperbole that can be viewed as eitehr elevates a debate over policy and spending in a democratic society and makes it equivelent to a deliberately merderous policy and philosopy, or it may conversely suggest that what the Nazi's did wasn't so bad because it really wasn't any different than what is being contemplated in the U.S. Congress just now.
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13th August 2009, 09:35 AM	#8
headscratcher4 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 6,424	Bush = Hitler/Nazism also deminished the holocaut.
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13th August 2009, 09:16 AM	#2
Policenaut Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Shadow Moses Island Posts: 1,331	Surely they are diminishing the Holocaust with some remarks but how the **** does it make them Holocaust deniers? The people who say that it never happened or was somehow grossly exaggerated. And more dangerous than Ahmadinejad? This guy is floating on a cloud of hyperbole.

13th August 2009, 09:31 AM	#4
gtc Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: the downunderverse Posts: 7,109	Originally Posted by Policenaut And more dangerous than Ahmadinejad? That claim kind of undermines the rest of his argument as he is doing pretty much what he complains about other people doing. That said, saying X = Hitler or saying that X is worse than Hitler usually either exaggerates X's bad points or plays down Hitler's actions even if its not quite Holocaust denial. ETA. Praktik states it better than I did.

13th August 2009, 09:32 AM	#6
Pink Booties Guest Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: in your guard, up on points, and stalling. Posts: 3,537	Why is it I've seen so many instances of Obama and Hitler in the same sentence on these forums lately? Grrrrr. I paid attention during the W years, and while people said crazy crap about him, people generally didn't make this same outrageous comparison. It's as if nobody knows how to make a subtle point anymore, and everything must be spoken in hyperbole. That's right, nobody and everything.

13th August 2009, 09:40 AM	#9
gtc Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: the downunderverse Posts: 7,109	Originally Posted by Magnifico2.0 Why is it I've seen so many instances of Obama and Hitler in the same sentence on these forums lately? Grrrrr. I paid attention during the W years, and while people said crazy crap about him, people generally didn't make this same outrageous comparison. It's as if nobody knows how to make a subtle point anymore, and everything must be spoken in hyperbole. That's right, nobody and everything. Google Image Search lists slightly more results for 'Bush Hitler' than for 'Obama Hitler'.

13th August 2009, 09:40 AM	#10
Praktik Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,804	Originally Posted by headscratcher4 Possibly, but the argument follows on a line that suggests that when you use words like Nazi to describe proposed health care reform initiative before the United States Congress it effectively dimminishes the meaning of the evil that the Nazi's and Hitler actually perpetraited. Nazism, its philosophy and science uner-pinned a vast killing machine that resulted in the deaths of 10s of millions of people -- with Jews being the particular target of much of the killing. By calling efforts to re-configure health care delivery in the U.S. "Nazi-like" in scope is to use hyperbole that can be viewed as eitehr elevates a debate over policy and spending in a democratic society and makes it equivelent to a deliberately merderous policy and philosopy, or it may conversely suggest that what the Nazi's did wasn't so bad because it really wasn't any different than what is being contemplated in the U.S. Congress just now. Exactly. Originally Posted by Drudgewire Something tells me the higher-ups at MSNBC had no problem with "Bu$Hitler." Something tells me this assertion is BS.
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13th August 2009, 09:45 AM	#11
Drudgewire Critical Doofus Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 8,230	Originally Posted by headscratcher4 Bush = Hitler/Nazism also deminished the holocaut. Yeah, I'm not saying one is OK and the other isn't. It's pretty pathetic either way. Originally Posted by Praktik Something tells me this assertion is BS. I'll just wait for the link to the MSNBC column that said the comparison to Bush and Hitler diminished the Holocaust then.
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13th August 2009, 09:49 AM	#12
gtc Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: the downunderverse Posts: 7,109	I could only find comments on MSNBC's blog linking Hitler to Bush. The other references I could find were to articles about a judge apologising for linking the two and a teacher being suspended for doing the same thing.

13th August 2009, 09:49 AM	#13
Praktik Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,804	Originally Posted by Drudgewire I'll just wait for the link to the MSNBC column that said the comparison to Bush and Hitler diminished the Holocaust then. And I'll wait indefinitely for supporting links to evidence the MSNBC execs either used the term or approved of its use. It was nothing more than an "I Betcha", I bet you're wrong.
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13th August 2009, 09:58 AM	#14
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13th August 2009, 10:00 AM	#15
Drudgewire Critical Doofus Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 8,230	Originally Posted by Praktik It was nothing more than an "I Betcha", I bet you're wrong. Certainly wouldn't be the first time.
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13th August 2009, 10:51 AM	#16
Brainster Philosopher Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,063	Once again, when idiots compare Obama to Hitler (or when they compared Bush to Hitler) they are not really making a point about Obama or Bush. They are making a point about themselves; that they are courageous enough to stand up to a Hitler-type. They are puffing themselves up into the equivalent of the White Rose Society. And that is what they should be scorned for; the members of the White Rose Society were summarily beheaded; Bush and Obama have not done that to any of their political opponents.
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13th August 2009, 10:53 AM	#17
headscratcher4 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 6,424	Orley Taitz believes Obama has people killed to shut them up about Obama's Kenyan birth... and she's about as credible a source as you could hope for...
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13th August 2009, 11:00 AM	#18
Darth Rotor Salted Sith Cynic Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Rat cheer Posts: 26,817	Originally Posted by Magnifico2.0 Why is it I've seen so many instances of Obama and Hitler in the same sentence on these forums lately? Grrrrr. I paid attention during the W years, and while people said crazy crap about him, people generally didn't make this same outrageous comparison. It's as if nobody knows how to make a subtle point anymore, and everything must be spoken in hyperbole. That's right, nobody and everything. I and others predicted ODS would replace BDS. (go back to election time, 2008, on the JREF forums. It's there.) It has. Gee, what a surprise. DR
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13th August 2009, 11:06 AM	#19
Ziggurat Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 13,874	Originally Posted by Magnifico2.0 It's as if nobody knows how to make a subtle point anymore, and everything must be spoken in hyperbole. That's right, nobody and everything. OK, that I can appreciate.
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13th August 2009, 11:06 AM	#20
Cicero Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 5,750	Originally Posted by headscratcher4 Orley Taitz believes Obama has people killed to shut them up about Obama's Kenyan birth... and she's about as credible a source as you could hope for... A public high school teacher compared Bush to Hilter. I wonder if his students believe him to be a credible source? "At least 150 Overland High School students walked out of class today to protest administrators' decision to put a teacher on leave while they investigate remarks he made about President Bush during class, including that some people compare Bush to Adolf Hitler." http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/001615.html
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13th August 2009, 08:58 PM	#21
parky76 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 15,498	Obama hasn't killed anyone...let alone 12 million innocent people. Comparing him to Hitler is absolutely insane.
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14th August 2009, 10:18 AM	#22
NoZed Avenger Bitter Whiner Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 8,793	Originally Posted by Magnifico2.0 Why is it I've seen so many instances of Obama and Hitler in the same sentence on these forums lately? Grrrrr. I paid attention during the W years, and while people said crazy crap about him, people generally didn't make this same outrageous comparison. It's as if nobody knows how to make a subtle point anymore, and everything must be spoken in hyperbole. That's right, nobody and everything. People made at least as many -- and not just low-profile people in demonstrations. A search at the vast majority of marches for the Iraq war will turn up at least a few Bush-as-Hitler photos for each. Let's check on the high-ranking political front: Al Gore, fairly high in the Democratic Party at the time, used “brown shirts” more than once. Sitting Senator Durbin used Saddam Hussein for a comparison not with Bush, but our armed forces, while Senator Kennedy prefered to compare them to the forces of Pol Pot, but IIRC, used "Nazis" at least once early on for the armed forces, as well. Senator Byrd settled for the unimaginative "Nazi Germany" when describing the entire Bush administration. Senator Glenn, “It’s the old Hitler business.” Four Senators and an ex-Vice President/Presidential Candidate. Popular culture? Linda Ronstadt, Scott Ritter, Ted Rall, Garrison Keillor, and George Soros. All used Bush = Hitler or Nazi. Oh, what about the NCAA's Julian Bond? He thought Nazi wasn't bad enough, so he added red-neck, racist confederates to the mix. These current efforts to effectively downplay the evil of the Nazi regime are just as odious -- but more prevalent? I would guess it's more likely your memory.
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14th August 2009, 10:26 AM	#23
Cicero Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 5,750	Originally Posted by parky76 Obama hasn't killed anyone...let alone 12 million innocent people. Comparing him to Hitler is absolutely insane. Naturally, you came to the same conclusion and posted your objection when it was McCain and Bush on the other side of the Hitler = comparison.
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14th August 2009, 10:43 AM	#24
Ziggurat Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 13,874	Originally Posted by parky76 Obama hasn't killed anyone Yes he has. And it's a damned good thing he has, too.
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