WWII Photo of Little Boy With Hands Raised Fraud

[LTC8K6]

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One in each hand and firing at the same time. Are you going to tell me that was an acceptable way of firing in your unit?

Yep, if you happened to have 2 guns and needed more volume of fire. I can't think of any other way to do it.

[kookbreaker]

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

This photo is staged, too. I suppose this means that in Budly's world, the Americans never took Iwo Jima.
http://www.shapesoftime.net/FileSyst...-raising-l.jpg

The second flag raising at Iwo Jima was not exactly what I would call 'staged'.

[LTC8K6]

In combat, you sometimes fire without the intent of hitting a particular target, but merely for the effect the firing has on the other guys.

[LTC8K6]

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The second flag raising at Iwo Jima was not exactly what I would call 'staged'.

Budly clearly would, though. So it's a great example.

The flag was actually just to let the ships know that the burgers were done...

[ddt]

Originally Posted by Budly

The notion of soldiers being brutal to kids has been an effective propaganda theme since World War I, where it was instrumental in getting America to send troops to Europe, when presented in a three page propaganda spread in the New York Times titled "The Bryce Committee's Report on Deliberate Slaughter of Belgian Non-Combatants." 5 The NYT readers thought it was real news but it turned out it was British propaganda and false.

You're even worse at WW1 than WW2, aren't you?

The Bryce Committee's Report was basically correct. You want one instance of German brutality in WW1 in Belgium? Take the medieval town of Leuven:

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In the 20th century, both World Wars inflicted major damage to the city. Upon German entry in World War I, the town was heavily damaged due to the German Schrecklichkeit policy. The Germans shot the mayor, university rector and all the city's police officers. The university library was deliberately destroyed by the German army on August 25, 1914, using petrol and incendiary pastilles. Hundreds of thousands of irreplaceable volumes and Gothic and Renaissance manuscripts were lost. The world was outraged over this and the library was completely rebuilt after World War I with American charity funds and German war indemnities.

[Yoink]

Originally Posted by Budly

Well if you were "pulled from a bunker by force." as the caption states, you probably wouldn't have a pair of shorts on, and high socks and a fancy hat. Rather you might look dirty, unkept and disheveled.

Re shorts as standard children's wear in the early C20th. Have a look at this advertisement.

[MortFurd]

Originally Posted by Budly

Well if you were "pulled from a bunker by force." as the caption states, you probably wouldn't have a pair of shorts on, and high socks and a fancy hat. Rather you might look dirty, unkept and disheveled.

Darat points out the inhumaneness of the Jews being forced to raise their hands. I agree, but that was also to hedge against the Jews conducting guerrilla warfare against the Germans. You can find plenty of Jewish accounts where Jews brag of doing guerrilla warfare against the Germans in Warsaw. Samuel Wilenberg's book Treblinka for instance, or Adolf Berman's testimony at the Eichman trial where he talks about smuggling handguns into the Warsaw ghetto.

Right. You wouldn't be wearing shorts and socks. You have to be buck naked and filthy if you're in a bunker.

[Yoink]

Originally Posted by Budly

Well if you were "pulled from a bunker by force." as the caption states, you probably wouldn't have a pair of shorts on, and high socks and a fancy hat. Rather you might look dirty, unkept and disheveled.

Sorry, the stupid is so dense in this post that I can't seem to let it go. Have a look at a high quality reproduction of this image. Now, tell me: what on earth makes you think that the hat that that kid is wearing is "fancy"? It's a standard cloth cap which almost all working class men of the era would have worn. Have a look at the photos in this blog, for example.

[timhau]

Originally Posted by headscratcher4

Maybe their hands were raised because they were getting ready to ride a roller coster. Yes, that must be it. The guys with guns are merely crowd control at a play land.

I think it's actually a soccer game. The Kazimierz Wanderers have just scored and lead 1-0 against F.C. Goyim.

[geni]

Originally Posted by Budly

Most of the photos in the Stroop Report have a handwritten calligraphy caption underneath.

No it's just the Sütterlin script. Not much used these days but thats what it looked like.

[Budly]

Originally Posted by geni

No it's just the Sütterlin script. Not much used these days but thats what it looked like.

It does look like Sütterlin. That's interesting, though the "W" didn't match. Thanks for that info.

[Ian Osborne]

Originally Posted by Ian Osborne

So you freely admit it's got nothing to do with history?

Care to answer this, Budly?

[Budly]

Originally Posted by Ian Osborne

Care to answer this, Budly?

I'd rather stay on topic, but I'll respond

Well Israel is called "The Jewish State" but it's not a state at all. It's a country. The "state" word is used to somehow make it seem meek and less than a country so that it doesn't seem like taking people's land and creating a country based on that solid piece of historical foundation known as the bible.

The other historical foundation for the justification of European Jewish colonialism in the mideast is the holocaust. The holocaust is a myth, and truly good people think it's a terrible thing to say that, but in reality it's terrible to believe in this lie since it directly equals the justification of why Palestinians are living in apartheid right now in the Middle East.

People here have said that the Nazis were so evil that they'd gladly use a photo of a soldier pointing a gun near a little boy. Compare with how Cowboys and Indians are portrayed in American movies: Cowboys are portrayed as the best of people. That's how conquerors, land grabbers what have you, portray themselves. The Nazis aren't portrayed that way in that photo, because that photo doesn't come from them. It comes from the Warsaw Jewish Underground.

The purpose of the photo is to make the Germans look bad. And they were bad, they shouldn't have been in Warsaw, but that's not the same topic as the authenticity of the photo.

[Lonewulf]

Originally Posted by Budly

Well if you were "pulled from a bunker by force." as the caption states, you probably wouldn't have a pair of shorts on, and high socks and a fancy hat. Rather you might look dirty, unkept and disheveled.

"Fancy hat"?

How much do you think a hat like that cost, or how rare do you assume it to be? Cite your sources, please.

[RobRoy]

Originally Posted by Lonewulf

"Fancy hat"?

How much do you think a hat like that cost, or how rare do you assume it to be? Cite your sources, please.

It all depends on if these are rich evil Jews we're dealing with, or the poor, evil Jews. It's hard to tell from the photo, but they do appear to be the poorer type. You can tell by the pale expression, meaning have to shun the sun and never make it to the beach like their rich counterparts.

Definately a fake.

[headscratcher4]

So...German brutality is just a myth created by the Jews. Why do non-Jew Europeans hate the germans? Talk to most any Dane, Dutchman, Belgian, Pole, Slav, Check, Ukranian, Latt, Lett, Italians, Greeks etc. from that period and they all describe a brutal and bloody occupation, and they weren't even being rounded up for "re-settlement" east. The history of brutal german actions exists well and beyond simple "jewish myth-making."

It is terrible that the Germans have been so mistakenly libled and their otherwise friendly tour through Europe distorted and misunderstood.

[Ian Osborne]

Originally Posted by Budly

I'd rather stay on topic, but I'll respond

Well Israel is called "The Jewish State" but it's not a state at all. It's a country. The "state" word is used to somehow make it seem meek and less than a country so that it doesn't seem like taking people's land and creating a country based on that solid piece of historical foundation known as the bible.

The other historical foundation for the justification of European Jewish colonialism in the mideast is the holocaust. The holocaust is a myth, and truly good people think it's a terrible thing to say that, but in reality it's terrible to believe in this lie since it directly equals the justification of why Palestinians are living in apartheid right now in the Middle East.

People here have said that the Nazis were so evil that they'd gladly use a photo of a soldier pointing a gun near a little boy. Compare with how Cowboys and Indians are portrayed in American movies: Cowboys are portrayed as the best of people. That's how conquerors, land grabbers what have you, portray themselves. The Nazis aren't portrayed that way in that photo, because that photo doesn't come from them. It comes from the Warsaw Jewish Underground.

The purpose of the photo is to make the Germans look bad. And they were bad, they shouldn't have been in Warsaw, but that's not the same topic as the authenticity of the photo.

So you're not seeking the facts about history, but pursuing a political agenda. Thanks for clearing that up.

[Red3]

Why all the holocaust denial all of a sudden anyway? It seems to be cropping up quite a lot at the moment.

Originally Posted by Ian Osborne

So you're not seeking the facts about history, but pursuing a political agenda. Thanks for clearing that up.

As they all are; it's a waste of time even replying to the threads.

[Thunder]

Originally Posted by Budly

The other historical foundation for the justification of European Jewish colonialism in the mideast is the holocaust. The holocaust is a myth

1/3rd of Israeli Jews are from the Middle East and North Africa.

Please tell me where the missing 5 million or so Jews went. Mars perhaps?

Maybe the moon? Secret German space program to send the Jews to space?

[ddt]

Originally Posted by Budly

Well Israel is called "The Jewish State" but it's not a state at all. It's a country. The "state" word is used to somehow make it seem meek and less than a country so that it doesn't seem like taking people's land and creating a country based on that solid piece of historical foundation known as the bible.

This doesn't make sense at all. Each state is a country; the reverse is not true. A state is a sovereign entity, while a country need not be. Examples of countries not being states are Scotland - being part of the UK - and the Netherlands Antilles, being part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands. Israel clearly is a state: it is recognized by the UN and the great majority of other states around the world.

Originally Posted by Budly

The other historical foundation for the justification of European Jewish colonialism in the mideast is the holocaust. The holocaust is a myth, and truly good people think it's a terrible thing to say that, but in reality it's terrible to believe in this lie since it directly equals the justification of why Palestinians are living in apartheid right now in the Middle East.

More bollocks. Jewish immigration into the Holy Land preceded the Holocaust, and started in considerable numbers around 1890. Your pretended empathy for the Palestinian cause won't fool anyone around here.

Originally Posted by Budly

People here have said that the Nazis were so evil that they'd gladly use a photo of a soldier pointing a gun near a little boy. Compare with how Cowboys and Indians are portrayed in American movies: Cowboys are portrayed as the best of people. That's how conquerors, land grabbers what have you, portray themselves. The Nazis aren't portrayed that way in that photo, because that photo doesn't come from them. It comes from the Warsaw Jewish Underground.

The photo from the OP is from Stroop's report of the liquidation of the Warsaw ghetto. Everyone agrees on that. You haven't presented a shred of evidence otherwise. The evidence that the Nazis were evil is overwhelming. You're really ridiculing yourself with this. You couldn't even recognize the German script from the time, or the way of dressing. All your thin arguments have been torn to shreds.

[catbasket]

Originally Posted by Budly

"Holocaust denial" is simply an expression opposition of the underlying adherence to the ideology of the Nazis. European Jewish colonialism in the Mideast.

That really is a stupid comment - admitting it's got nothing to do with how many people were murdered by the Nazis.

Have an infinite number of laughing dogs ...
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[Red3]

Originally Posted by parky76

Maybe the moon? Secret German space program to send the Jews to space?

Didn't you know? That's why they faked the moon landings; if they really landed on there they'd have exposed the Zionist hiding place. Those pesky Jews flew there and hid so the Nazis would get the blame for killing em and so have an excuse to form Israel.

It's all down to the zionist NWO. Simple when you think about it.

[RobRoy]

Originally Posted by Red3

Didn't you know? That's why they faked the moon landings; if they really landed on there they'd have exposed the Zionist hiding place. Those pesky Jews flew there and hid so the Nazis would get the blame for killing em and so have an excuse to form Israel.

It's all down to the zionist NWO. Simple when you think about it.

That's actually a pretty clever plot twist for a science fiction novel! What would it take to get 5 million people to the moon? Makes sense why the Germans were pursuing their rocket programs.

[Red3]

Originally Posted by Budly

I'd rather stay on topic, but I'll respond

Well Israel is called "The Jewish State" but it's not a state at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_state

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_%28polity%29

[ddt]

Originally Posted by Red3

Why all the holocaust denial all of a sudden anyway? It seems to be cropping up quite a lot at the moment.

It's like with migratory birds. They assemble for the great trek. Unlike birds, though, they don't migrate South but they migrate East, and they start exactly September 1st.

You should check your local library for the hunting regulations, though.

(sorry for the bad joke)

[Uzzy]

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The purpose of the photo is to make the Germans look bad. And they were bad, they shouldn't have been in Warsaw, but that's not the same topic as the authenticity of the photo.

The Nazis looked bad due to invading countries and trying to exterminate entire peoples. This photo, even if it were a 'fraud', wouldn't change those facts.

Now then, why do you hate Jews, Budly?

[HansMustermann]

Originally Posted by Budly

People here have said that the Nazis were so evil that they'd gladly use a photo of a soldier pointing a gun near a little boy. Compare with how Cowboys and Indians are portrayed in American movies: Cowboys are portrayed as the best of people. That's how conquerors, land grabbers what have you, portray themselves. The Nazis aren't portrayed that way in that photo, because that photo doesn't come from them. It comes from the Warsaw Jewish Underground.

It depends on who you're presenting it to.

If you're presenting it to a bunch of Joe Average and Mandy Housewife, you portray yourself as the good and nice guys. The Nazis did the same. They pretended to just resettle the Jews, to the normal population.

But when you report to your superior who personally ordered the liquidation of the gheto or some other atrocity, you don't try to look nice at all. The same applies to the Jews as to the colonists in the cowboys-vs-indians scenario.

E.g., in colonial Virginia in 1755, Lord Jeffrey Amherst writing to Col. Bouqet wrote the following urge to genocide against the indians: "You will do well to try to spread smallpox by means of blankets and by every other means which might help exterminate that abominable race."

Note how in the communication between Lord Amherst and the good colonel, there was no pretense of being nice or noble. They were planning a genocide and were discussing just that: hopefully exterminating a race.

So what kind of confusion of the mind makes you believe that in an official communication between Stroop and Himmler they'd try to pretend they're noble and nice? Himmler had ordered the liquidation of the ghetto, and SS General Jürgen Stroop was just reporting the execution of that order.

The army doesn't use pretenses and euphemisms when giving orders and reporting their execution, dummy. Ok, so the SS wasn't exactly army, but they were a paramilitary organization with an army-like structure. It would still be based on orders and reports.

But again: it was a military operation and a military report, not a Hollywood propaganda movie. Himmler didn't want to hear a nice reassuring lie about how the Germans are all nice and noble, he wanted to know how his orders were executed.

[grunion]

Originally Posted by Red3

Why all the holocaust denial all of a sudden anyway? It seems to be cropping up quite a lot at the moment.

I've been considering that question myself. It really seems to be ramping up over the past two or three years. And I don't think that engaging in honest debate (or parody for that matter) helps the cause of truth one iota.

I am speculating that as the survivors of the Holocaust age and die, somehow the deniers assume that the reality of the Holocaust will age and die with them. No more first-hand accounts. All hearsay. That all the reams of documents and photos and recordings are "just documents" and they have documents too. It is far easier to pick at a single piece of evidence in the mountains of proof of the Nazi Holocaust than to state anything affirmatively, so we see tactics exactly like those in the OP (and those used in all the other denier threads on this forum).

It turns my stomach. I can't participate in lighthearted banter about a photo documenting the real horror that the Nazis wrought upon innocents, even in the cause of mockery of the denier agenda. Fine if people want to respond to every nit that some anti-semite wants to raise in his effort to undermine Israel (the hat, ferchrissakes?) but I think that engaging him is just feeding the monster.

[Foolmewunz]

Originally Posted by ddt

Of course not. It makes it sound less heroic. "Bunkers" sounds like there was a full-scale battle going on. Not like a well-equipped army took on a couple of hundreds poorly armed civilians.

See, there's the explanation of the caption.

Bingo!

The caption, if read from the p.o.v. of a tinhorn general trying to make his rounding up of middle class Jews into a heroic act, makes much more sense.

[Wowbagger]

Let's play Spot the Contradiction:

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WWII Photo of Little Boy With Hands Raised Fraud

Originally Posted by Budly

While the Little Boy photo isn't staged, it is taken out of context.

I suspect this thread's caption is taking the claim out of context.

[themusicteacher]

Originally Posted by HansMustermann

It depends on who you're presenting it to.

If you're presenting it to a bunch of Joe Average and Mandy Housewife, you portray yourself as the good and nice guys. The Nazis did the same. They pretended to just resettle the Jews, to the normal population.

But when you report to your superior who personally ordered the liquidation of the gheto or some other atrocity, you don't try to look nice at all. The same applies to the Jews as to the colonists in the cowboys-vs-indians scenario.

E.g., in colonial Virginia in 1755, Lord Jeffrey Amherst writing to Col. Bouqet wrote the following urge to genocide against the indians: "You will do well to try to spread smallpox by means of blankets and by every other means which might help exterminate that abominable race."

Note how in the communication between Lord Amherst and the good colonel, there was no pretense of being nice or noble. They were planning a genocide and were discussing just that: hopefully exterminating a race.

So what kind of confusion of the mind makes you believe that in an official communication between Stroop and Himmler they'd try to pretend they're noble and nice? Himmler had ordered the liquidation of the ghetto, and SS General Jürgen Stroop was just reporting the execution of that order.

The army doesn't use pretenses and euphemisms when giving orders and reporting their execution, dummy. Ok, so the SS wasn't exactly army, but they were a paramilitary organization with an army-like structure. It would still be based on orders and reports.

But again: it was a military operation and a military report, not a Hollywood propaganda movie. Himmler didn't want to hear a nice reassuring lie about how the Germans are all nice and noble, he wanted to know how his orders were executed.

They don't use niceties because they have nothing to say that would be nice. The implication in any sort of communication that fails to disguise any sort of "wrongness" to an action is that they do not believe the action to be [i]wrong[i]. The colonizers never thought of exterminating the natives as wrong just as the Nazi's never thought of exterminating the Jews as wrong. Quite the contrary, in fact. They had thoroughly justified their plans to themselves as making the world a better place for they and their brethren. In their minds, they were just and right in doing what they did. Therefore, it was not a wrong thing to do so why should they speak in hushed tones?

Holocaust denial is an extension of this type of thinking. They are simply justifying their hate for Jews. It really doesn't matter to this type of person if the Holocaust happened or not. If they could be convinced that it did (which they couldn't), they would just move the goalposts and say it was the Jews own fault. What matters is that the world should know that these slimy, dirty, hook-nosed kikes are still trying to rule the world. Feigning sympathy for the Palestinians is a smokescreen, Holocaust denial is a smokescreen, being "interested" in 9/11 is a smokescreen. These people have no interest in the truth.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Originally Posted by Budly

It's the most well-known document of the holocaust and it's a fraud.

http://www.holocaustdenialvideos.com..._boy_photo.jpg


Here is an essay that asserts it's a fraud, for the following reasons:
1) It's Not A Photo A General Would Choose.
2) They Wouldn't Duplicate It That Way
3) The Caption Doesn't Fit The Photo
4) It's Part Of A Larger Fraudulent Work

Gullibility to believe a photo's authenticity is strong. The famous Robert Capa photo of the falling Spanish Loyalist soldier is now believed by many to be staged. While the Little Boy photo isn't staged, it is taken out of context. It's taken in front of the Hotel Polski in Warsaw, not in the Warsaw Ghetto. That would explain why the boy is dressed nicely. Would you wear high socks and shorts if you hiding from Nazis in the Warsaw Ghetto?

I've heard from numerous sources that the Holocaust never happened. Is that true?

[quarky]

Well, one thing is certain. There's a lot of missing Nazis.

Maybe the Jews killed them?

[Skeptic]

Like most holocaust deniers, first he denies the holocaust, then he claims a holocaust of the evil, scheming Jews (in Israel, at least) is long overdue.

Yeah, I know, I know -- logic isn't their strong point.

[Thunder]

Originally Posted by The Central Scrutinizer

I've heard from numerous sources that the Holocaust never happened. Is that true?

Yes, it is true. You have indeed heard from numerous sources that the Holocaust never happened.

[Uninvolved]

Originally Posted by ddt

The Bryce Committee's Report was basically correct. You want one instance of German brutality in WW1 in Belgium? Take the medieval town of Leuven

This one deserves an answer, for it is characteristic. Following is from Arthur Ponsonby's Falsehood In War Time:

Report on 1914-08-29:

The intellectual metropolis of the Low Countries since the fifteenth century is now no more than a heap of ash

Louvain has ceased to exist

As a matter of fact, it was estimated that about an eight of the town had suffered.


The Belgien representatives claimed in Paris, 1919, at the peace conference, two pictures in compensation for the famous altar-piece from Louvain, a valuable work of art which they declared had been thrown into the flames of the burning library by a German officier. Their story was accepted and the requested pictures transferred.

The New Statesman of 1924-04-12 gives the facts:

The Dietrick Bouts altar piece was not thrown into the fames by the Germans or by anyone else. The pictuire is still in existence at Louvain, perfectly intact, and the Germans were not its destroyers but its preservers. A German officier saved it from the flames and gave it to the burgomaster, who had taken it for safe custody to the vaults of the Town Hall and walled in there. It has been duly unwalled.

Ponsonby treats the Bryce report as well, which was nothing but a compilation of lies.

[Uzzy]

So exaggerations were used in wartime propaganda. So what. That doesn't change the facts that Louvain suffered during WW1. The University Library was burnt down, along with thousands of priceless manuscripts. Summary executions were carried out, along with, most surprisingly, an artillery bombardment. This was due to the Germany policy of Schrecklichkeit, in direct violation of the Geneva Conventions which they had signed.

Nitpicking at minor, unimportant things does not change history.

[Foolmewunz]

Originally Posted by quarky

Well, one thing is certain. There's a lot of missing Nazis.

Maybe the Jews killed them?

Funny, I don't miss them at all.

[Uninvolved]

Originally Posted by Uzzy

So exaggerations were used in wartime propaganda

The inventiveness of the English during WWI was unparalleled, surpassed only by the inventiveness of the Jews later.

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So what.

A few thousand people were killed extra. So what.

Both (the lies and the deterrance by execution etc.) were used to influence the progress of the war. The English liars convinced the Americans, that humanity's faith is at stake.

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That doesn't change the facts that Louvain suffered during WW1

Many cities suffered; this was a war, ever heard about that?

However, I see quite a difference between burning down a town to ashes and damaging one eigths of it.

Furthermore, these were the lesser lies. The English created stories of inhuman behaviour - have not you heard of babies on bayonetts, cricified people (usually Canadians), distilling glycerine from the dead bodies, breasts cut off of nurses, etc.?

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Summary executions were carried out, along with, most surprisingly, an artillery bombardment. This was due to the Germany policy of Schrecklichkeit, in direct violation of the Geneva Conventions which they had signed

Those snipers (partisans) violated the convention. I am sure you call Palestinian, Afghan, Iraqui partisans terrorists, don't you? That's what I call hypocrite.

[timhau]

Originally Posted by Uninvolved

The inventiveness of the English during WWI was unparalleled, surpassed only by the inventiveness of the Jews later.

... and then by Nazi apologists.