Catholic group urges "Prayer before Sex"

DOC · 2nd September 2009, 12:20 PM

This Catholic group says couples should pray before having sex. I realize there will probably be some callow comments in this thread, but so be it I guess.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-PRAY-sex.html

Pure_Argent · 2nd September 2009, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by DOC

This Catholic group says couples should pray before having sex. I realize there will probably be some callow comments in this thread, but so be it I guess.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-PRAY-sex.html

Why did you post this? What intelligent debate is it supposed to bring to this forum?

On an alternate subject, we may have to change the Yrreg Stage List's name to the DOC/Yrreg Stage List.

~enigma~ · 2nd September 2009, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by Pure_Argent

Why did you post this? What intelligent debate is it supposed to bring to this forum?

Maybe he wanted to bring our attention to the newest method of birth control invented by the catholic church.

Piscivore · 2nd September 2009, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by ~enigma~

Maybe he wanted to bring our attention to the newest method of birth control invented by the catholic church.

Isn't that praying after sex? "Oh, Jesus, don't let her be pregnant, oh God, please let her get her period..."

DOC · 2nd September 2009, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by ~enigma~

Maybe he wanted to bring our attention to the newest method of birth control invented by the catholic church.

The Catholic church doesn't believe in birth control except I believe the rhythm method is allowed.

Foster Zygote · 2nd September 2009, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by DOC

I believe the Catholic church doesn't believe in birth control within marriage except for the rythem method.

That's true. My wife and I know a couple with three rhythm-method children.

~enigma~ · 2nd September 2009, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by DOC

I believe the Catholic church doesn't believe in birth control within marriage except for the rhythm method.

Then why are they introducing birth control by the "mood killer" method?

Foster Zygote · 2nd September 2009, 12:45 PM

I usually pray that there are no injuries or damage to property.

DOC · 2nd September 2009, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by Foster Zygote

That's true. My wife and I know a couple with three rhythm-method children.

I bet those children are glad they practiced it.

PlayingDeaf · 2nd September 2009, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by Pure_Argent

Why did you post this? What intelligent debate is it supposed to bring to this forum?

What was the point of yours?
________________________

That said...

My take is that it would make sex awkward for those who are religious. I'm not, but if you are religious enough to pray before sex, I don't think it's needed.

It's weird that this is new, right? Why all of sudden the praying before sex? or is this not new? What's next to pray before doing?

FreshHat · 2nd September 2009, 12:58 PM

Taking the term "Holy

" to a literal level.

Bikewer · 2nd September 2009, 01:02 PM

Prior to Viagra, there were a great many prayers before sex....

Foster Zygote · 2nd September 2009, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by DOC

I bet those children are glad they practiced it.

And their fourth child is probably glad that his father lied about getting his vasectomy.

Do you have a point?

Hokulele · 2nd September 2009, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by Article

A book published by a prominent Church group invites those setting out on married life to recite the specially-composed Prayer Before Making Love.

It is aimed at 'purifying their intentions' so that the act is not about selfishness or hedonism.

The prayer, which appears in the Prayer Book for Spouses, implores God 'to place within us love that truly gives, tenderness that truly unites, self-offering that tells the truth and does not deceive, forgiveness that truly receives, loving physical union that welcomes'.

It adds: 'Open our hearts to you, to each other and to the goodness of your will.

'Cover our poverty in the richness of your mercy and forgiveness. Clothe us in true dignity and take to yourself our shared aspirations, for your glory, for ever and ever.'

That sounds like a mood-breaker.

DOC, are you married?

Twiler · 2nd September 2009, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by DOC

This Catholic group says couples should pray before having sex. I realize there will probably be some callow comments in this thread, but so be it I guess.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-PRAY-sex.html

I think you're just trying to provoke atheists.

Hokulele · 2nd September 2009, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by DOC

I bet those children are glad they practiced it.

That is the start of a slippery slope. If a child is born out of rape or incest, should they be glad that their father was an abusive prick?

RoboTimbo · 2nd September 2009, 01:19 PM

I have a better idea: Theists should think before they go to church.

slingblade · 2nd September 2009, 01:23 PM

One more thing I don't have to do.

Hooray for Atheism!

SezMe · 2nd September 2009, 01:24 PM

When I was in college, all the men I knew were praying for sex

joobz · 2nd September 2009, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by Hokulele

That sounds like a mood-breaker.

I don't know about that. It's all in how you say it.

"Cover your poverty, baby. Yeah, just like that in the richness... You are soooo richness right now."

"That's it. Give me your mercy. yeah, shake your mercy maker."

"Oh Baby, I'm about to glory soo hard, yeah! Glory to you. to you!!!! FOR EVER AND EVERRRRRRR!!!!"

ProbeX · 2nd September 2009, 01:35 PM

Great advice. I'll tell my gay posse Catholics want them to pray before they have sex.

jmcvann · 2nd September 2009, 01:46 PM

It seems the prayer is only being recommended for married people. Which makes sense, as those are the only people who should be having sex. [/sarcasm]

bokonon · 2nd September 2009, 01:51 PM

As an atheist married to a Catholic, I prefer to have my partner call on the Lord during sex.

KingMerv00 · 2nd September 2009, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by DOC

I bet those children are glad they practiced it.

And the 4 children that don't exist because they practiced it? How do you suppose they feel?

Minarvia · 2nd September 2009, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by Hokulele

DOC, are you married?

IPU, PLEASE no! Please say he hasn't reproduced!

Okay, I hope that wasn't too inappropriate, but I couldn't resist.

And seriously, wouldn't the "rhythm method" be a form of birth control with just a higher level of failure than other methods?

BobTheDonkey · 2nd September 2009, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by KingMerv00

And the 4 children that don't exist because they practiced it? How do you suppose they feel?

My non-existent kids thank me every day

Rasmus · 2nd September 2009, 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by SezMe

When I was in college, all the men I knew were praying for sex

You beat me to it.

I was going to say something like

Originally Posted by A quicker and wittier Rasmus

I don't see what's so funny. I pray before sex and it really helps. A few years give or take and *bam* I get laid.

Starthinker · 2nd September 2009, 02:27 PM

Anything to get a girl on her knees.

BobTheDonkey · 2nd September 2009, 02:32 PM

I think the Catholic church has been hanging on to this one for awhile...hence it was only altar-boys that the priests engaged with.

shandyjan · 2nd September 2009, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by joobz

I don't know about that. It's all in how you say it.

"Cover your poverty, baby. Yeah, just like that in the richness... You are soooo richness right now."

"That's it. Give me your mercy. yeah, shake your mercy maker."

"Oh Baby, I'm about to glory soo hard, yeah! Glory to you. to you!!!! FOR EVER AND EVERRRRRRR!!!!"

I would think I was in bed with Mike Myers, that would be a birth control in itself.
Oh I have no real comment, I mean you arn't supposed to enjoy sex so it makes sense. The whole sex thing is ridiculous, all those sensual organs and we are meant to never be abandoned?

joobz · 2nd September 2009, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by Minarvia

And seriously, wouldn't the "rhythm method" be a form of birth control with just a higher level of failure than other methods?

Yup, except it doesn't prevent the transmission of STDs.

God seems to be a fan of Herpies.

Mojo · 2nd September 2009, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by DOC

This Catholic group says couples should pray before having sex.

Originally Posted by Piscivore

Isn't that praying after sex? "Oh, Jesus, don't let her be pregnant, oh God, please let her get her period..."

I tried praying during sex, but I never got beyond "oh God..."

joobz · 2nd September 2009, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by Mojo

I tried praying during sex, but I never got beyond "oh God..."

Ah...
The old "There's no atheists in ~~fox~~holes argument."

Kevin_Lowe · 2nd September 2009, 02:47 PM

If you were specific enough in asking forgiveness for what you were about to do, in roughly chronological order perhaps, it could be kind of sexy.

RobRoy · 2nd September 2009, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by joobz

God seems to be a fan of Herpies.

Is that why they keep flying in the window?

Marquis de Carabas · 2nd September 2009, 02:56 PM

Our Father, who art in Heaven
Hallowed be Thy name
Thy will be done,
My willy come
On breasts, as it is in porno
Give me this day my daily head
And forgive my ejaculations
As I forgive those who ejaculate against me
And lead us not into chlamydia
But deliver us from herpes
For thine is the Kingdom, and the Power, and the Glory forever
Amen

steve s · 2nd September 2009, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by DOC

I bet those children are glad they practiced it.

Imagine how many more happy children there would be if we fertilized every egg in every woman's body.

Steve S.

joobz · 2nd September 2009, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by RobRoy

Is that why they keep flying in the window?

stop it.... you made me spit my milky substance out.

RobRoy · 2nd September 2009, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by Marquis de Carabas

Our Father, who art in Heaven
Hallowed be Thy name
Thy will be done,
My willy come
On breasts, as it is in porno
Give me this day my daily head
And forgive my ejaculations
As I forgive those who ejaculate against me
And lead us not into chlamydia
But deliver us from herpes
For thine is the Kingdom, and the Power, and the Glory forever
Amen

Nominated.

Mojo · 2nd September 2009, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by DOC

This Catholic group says couples should pray before having sex. I realize there will probably be some callow comments in this thread, but so be it I guess.

Do you consider Catholics to be true Christians?

2nd September 2009, 12:20 PM	#1
DOC Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: USA Posts: 4,492	Catholic group urges "Prayer before Sex" This Catholic group says couples should pray before having sex. I realize there will probably be some callow comments in this thread, but so be it I guess. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-PRAY-sex.html

2nd September 2009, 12:25 PM	#2
Pure_Argent Certified Castlevania Fanboy Join Date: May 2009 Location: The Clock Tower Boss Room Posts: 3,819	Originally Posted by DOC This Catholic group says couples should pray before having sex. I realize there will probably be some callow comments in this thread, but so be it I guess. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-PRAY-sex.html Why did you post this? What intelligent debate is it supposed to bring to this forum? On an alternate subject, we may have to change the Yrreg Stage List's name to the DOC/Yrreg Stage List.
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Piscivore Smelling fishy Join Date: May 2004 Location: Yubaba's Bathhouse Posts: 19,127	Originally Posted by ~enigma~ Maybe he wanted to bring our attention to the newest method of birth control invented by the catholic church. Isn't that praying after sex? "Oh, Jesus, don't let her be pregnant, oh God, please let her get her period..."
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2nd September 2009, 12:40 PM	#5
DOC Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: USA Posts: 4,492	Originally Posted by ~enigma~ Maybe he wanted to bring our attention to the newest method of birth control invented by the catholic church. The Catholic church doesn't believe in birth control except I believe the rhythm method is allowed.
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Foster Zygote Dental Floss Tycoon Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Utility Muffin Research Kitchen Posts: 7,838	Originally Posted by DOC I believe the Catholic church doesn't believe in birth control within marriage except for the rythem method. That's true. My wife and I know a couple with three rhythm-method children.
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~enigma~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Center of the universe Posts: 7,955	Originally Posted by Pure_Argent Why did you post this? What intelligent debate is it supposed to bring to this forum? Maybe he wanted to bring our attention to the newest method of birth control invented by the catholic church.

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~enigma~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Center of the universe Posts: 7,955	Originally Posted by DOC I believe the Catholic church doesn't believe in birth control within marriage except for the rhythm method. Then why are they introducing birth control by the "mood killer" method?

2nd September 2009, 12:45 PM	#8
Foster Zygote Dental Floss Tycoon Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Utility Muffin Research Kitchen Posts: 7,838	I usually pray that there are no injuries or damage to property.
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2nd September 2009, 12:46 PM	#9
DOC Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: USA Posts: 4,492	Originally Posted by Foster Zygote That's true. My wife and I know a couple with three rhythm-method children. I bet those children are glad they practiced it.

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PlayingDeaf New Blood Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 24	Originally Posted by Pure_Argent Why did you post this? What intelligent debate is it supposed to bring to this forum? What was the point of yours? ________________________ That said... My take is that it would make sex awkward for those who are religious. I'm not, but if you are religious enough to pray before sex, I don't think it's needed. It's weird that this is new, right? Why all of sudden the praying before sex? or is this not new? What's next to pray before doing?
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2nd September 2009, 12:58 PM	#11
FreshHat Critical Thinker Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: It's Just A Jump To The Left Posts: 400	Taking the term "Holy " to a literal level.

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Bikewer Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: St. Louis, Mo. Posts: 5,249	Prior to Viagra, there were a great many prayers before sex....

2nd September 2009, 01:04 PM	#13
Foster Zygote Dental Floss Tycoon Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Utility Muffin Research Kitchen Posts: 7,838	Originally Posted by DOC I bet those children are glad they practiced it. And their fourth child is probably glad that his father lied about getting his vasectomy. Do you have a point?
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Hokulele Official Nemesis TLA Dictatrix Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: To be determined. Posts: 21,340	Originally Posted by Article A book published by a prominent Church group invites those setting out on married life to recite the specially-composed Prayer Before Making Love. It is aimed at 'purifying their intentions' so that the act is not about selfishness or hedonism. The prayer, which appears in the Prayer Book for Spouses, implores God 'to place within us love that truly gives, tenderness that truly unites, self-offering that tells the truth and does not deceive, forgiveness that truly receives, loving physical union that welcomes'. It adds: 'Open our hearts to you, to each other and to the goodness of your will. 'Cover our poverty in the richness of your mercy and forgiveness. Clothe us in true dignity and take to yourself our shared aspirations, for your glory, for ever and ever.' That sounds like a mood-breaker. DOC, are you married?
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Twiler Muse Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 667	Originally Posted by DOC This Catholic group says couples should pray before having sex. I realize there will probably be some callow comments in this thread, but so be it I guess. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-PRAY-sex.html I think you're just trying to provoke atheists.
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Hokulele Official Nemesis TLA Dictatrix Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: To be determined. Posts: 21,340	Originally Posted by DOC I bet those children are glad they practiced it. That is the start of a slippery slope. If a child is born out of rape or incest, should they be glad that their father was an abusive prick?
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RoboTimbo Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Rachel, KS Posts: 4,579	I have a better idea: Theists should think before they go to church.

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joobz Tergiversator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Inside the Magical Murder Bag Posts: 11,812	Originally Posted by Hokulele That sounds like a mood-breaker. I don't know about that. It's all in how you say it. "Cover your poverty, baby. Yeah, just like that in the richness... You are soooo richness right now." "That's it. Give me your mercy. yeah, shake your mercy maker." "Oh Baby, I'm about to glory soo hard, yeah! Glory to you. to you!!!! FOR EVER AND EVERRRRRRR!!!!"
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ProbeX Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,241	Great advice. I'll tell my gay posse Catholics want them to pray before they have sex.
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jmcvann Navel Gazer Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Chicago Posts: 586	It seems the prayer is only being recommended for married people. Which makes sense, as those are the only people who should be having sex. [/sarcasm]
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bokonon Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 3,224	As an atheist married to a Catholic, I prefer to have my partner call on the Lord during sex.
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KingMerv00 Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Philadelphia, PA...USA Posts: 8,787	Originally Posted by DOC I bet those children are glad they practiced it. And the 4 children that don't exist because they practiced it? How do you suppose they feel?
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Minarvia Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,067	Originally Posted by Hokulele DOC, are you married? IPU, PLEASE no! Please say he hasn't reproduced! Okay, I hope that wasn't too inappropriate, but I couldn't resist. And seriously, wouldn't the "rhythm method" be a form of birth control with just a higher level of failure than other methods?

2nd September 2009, 02:26 PM	#26
BobTheDonkey Muse Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 913	Originally Posted by KingMerv00 And the 4 children that don't exist because they practiced it? How do you suppose they feel? My non-existent kids thank me every day
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Rasmus Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 3,627	Originally Posted by SezMe When I was in college, all the men I knew were praying for sex You beat me to it. I was going to say something like Originally Posted by A quicker and wittier Rasmus I don't see what's so funny. I pray before sex and it really helps. A few years give or take and bam I get laid.
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BobTheDonkey Muse Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 913	I think the Catholic church has been hanging on to this one for awhile...hence it was only altar-boys that the priests engaged with.
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shandyjan Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: N/W England Posts: 1,013	Originally Posted by joobz I don't know about that. It's all in how you say it. "Cover your poverty, baby. Yeah, just like that in the richness... You are soooo richness right now." "That's it. Give me your mercy. yeah, shake your mercy maker." "Oh Baby, I'm about to glory soo hard, yeah! Glory to you. to you!!!! FOR EVER AND EVERRRRRRR!!!!" I would think I was in bed with Mike Myers, that would be a birth control in itself. Oh I have no real comment, I mean you arn't supposed to enjoy sex so it makes sense. The whole sex thing is ridiculous, all those sensual organs and we are meant to never be abandoned?
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joobz Tergiversator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Inside the Magical Murder Bag Posts: 11,812	Originally Posted by Minarvia And seriously, wouldn't the "rhythm method" be a form of birth control with just a higher level of failure than other methods? Yup, except it doesn't prevent the transmission of STDs. God seems to be a fan of Herpies.
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Mojo Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nor Flanden Posts: 14,927	Originally Posted by DOC This Catholic group says couples should pray before having sex. Originally Posted by Piscivore Isn't that praying after sex? "Oh, Jesus, don't let her be pregnant, oh God, please let her get her period..." I tried praying during sex, but I never got beyond "oh God..."
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joobz Tergiversator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Inside the Magical Murder Bag Posts: 11,812	Originally Posted by Mojo I tried praying during sex, but I never got beyond "oh God..." Ah... The old "There's no atheists in ~~fox~~holes argument."
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RobRoy Not A Mormon Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: In the sandbox Posts: 3,789	Originally Posted by joobz God seems to be a fan of Herpies. Is that why they keep flying in the window?
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