Rifqa Bary - conversion to Christianity and honor killing

UnrepentantSinner · 3rd September 2009, 12:20 AM

Have any of you heard of this young lady or have an opinion on her situation? She's become quite the cause celebre on Christian media outlets like talk radio, The 700 Club and Fox News.

Simon39759 · 3rd September 2009, 08:55 AM

Well; if she is worried enough to flee home, child services should investigate.
Almost certainly, even if the 'honor killing' thing were to be untrue, there is a problem in the family environment.

Then, once that is confirmed, there already are rules about how to remove an endangered child from a unsuitable familial environment.

UnrepentantSinner · 3rd September 2009, 11:08 PM

No one else interested in this story?

sophia8 · 4th September 2009, 04:54 AM

Rifqa Bary case becomes anti-Muslim circus
Rifqa Madness
Rifqa Madness II
I defy anybody to get all the way through the video in that last link without barfing.

Cainkane1 · 4th September 2009, 05:13 AM

Originally Posted by UnrepentantSinner

Have any of you heard of this young lady or have an opinion on her situation? She's become quite the cause celebre on Christian media outlets like talk radio, The 700 Club and Fox News.

The deluded girl just traded one brand of nonsense for another and lost her family in the process.

Fiona · 4th September 2009, 07:37 AM

Does it strike anyone else as odd that these folk did not at least let the authorities know the lassie was there and ok?

Oh, and "The documents describe the Noor Center as "one of the primary sources of Islamic extremism in central Ohio."

Is it a big frog in a raindrop or is there a lot of muslim "extremism" in Ohio?

~enigma~ · 4th September 2009, 07:40 AM

Originally Posted by Fiona

Does it strike anyone else as odd that these folk did not at least let the authorities know the lassie was there and ok?

Oh, and "The documents describe the Noor Center as "one of the primary sources of Islamic extremism in central Ohio."

Is it a big frog in a raindrop or is there a lot of muslim "extremism" in Ohio?

According to a muslim friend of mine from Cincinnati the answer is no.

sophia8 · 4th September 2009, 08:35 AM

Originally Posted by Fiona

Does it strike anyone else as odd that these folk did not at least let the authorities know the lassie was there and ok?

Not just odd - I believe the fundies who "rescued" her are technically guilty of kidnapping. If they believed she was in mortal danger, what was the problem with taking her to social services or a womens' shelter?

There's strong parallels with the 1957 case of 15-year-old Maura Lyons - different religions, different country, but same bigotry. In that case, a court eventually decided that she had been kidnapped, and ordered her return to her family; thereafter she appears to have disappeared from the news.

Unlike a Bull · 4th September 2009, 08:43 AM

The girl is seventeen. I don't know why they don't emancipate her and let her choose where she wants to live and what God she wants to believe in. If she doesn't want her parents to know where she is, then that will be her choice and her choice alone.

sophia8 · 4th September 2009, 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by Unlike a Bull

The girl is seventeen. I don't know why they don't emancipate her and let her choose where she wants to live and what God she wants to believe in. If she doesn't want her parents to know where she is, then that will be her choice and her choice alone.

If all that Rifqa's new friends wanted for her was to be safe from her parents until she was legally adult, they could have hidden her easily; with the kind of networks the churches have in the US, a person could stay underground for years.
But, instead, they chose to parade her in public like some kind of trophy - prize booty won from the enemy in glorious battle. Which illustrates their real motive.
My personal hope for her is that she will eventually see that she has been manipulated and used.
And that she'll join the Scientologists.

sophia8 · 4th September 2009, 09:17 AM

Edgardo Mortara - An even earlier case of religious kidnapping

Mister Agenda · 4th September 2009, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by Fiona

Does it strike anyone else as odd that these folk did not at least let the authorities know the lassie was there and ok?

Oh, and "The documents describe the Noor Center as "one of the primary sources of Islamic extremism in central Ohio."

Is it a big frog in a raindrop or is there a lot of muslim "extremism" in Ohio?

Not as far as I know...there are a lot of Muslims in Columbus, though.

The OT encourages the killing of apostates and disobedient children, too. Jews and Christians elect to somehow interpret the Bible as not requiring this. Muslims are just as capable of somehow interpreting the Koran as not requiring this either. It is highly likely that her parents are sincere in their claim that they have no plans on killing her and her Christian 'friends' have convinced her otherwise.

Not in repsonse to you, Fiona, just sayin'.

UnrepentantSinner · 5th September 2009, 01:26 AM

The most glaring hypocracy I see in this case is that the same people who are cheering a minor meeting a strange couple on Facebook, joining their religion and ~~running away from~~ "escaping" their family would be froth-spewing ape**** if this were any other situation.

3rd September 2009, 12:20 AM	#1
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4th September 2009, 04:54 AM	#4
sophia8 Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Scottishland Posts: 1,697	Rifqa Bary case becomes anti-Muslim circus Rifqa Madness Rifqa Madness II I defy anybody to get all the way through the video in that last link without barfing.
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4th September 2009, 05:13 AM	#5
Cainkane1 Master Poster Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: The great American southeast Posts: 2,566	Originally Posted by UnrepentantSinner Have any of you heard of this young lady or have an opinion on her situation? She's become quite the cause celebre on Christian media outlets like talk radio, The 700 Club and Fox News. The deluded girl just traded one brand of nonsense for another and lost her family in the process.
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4th September 2009, 07:37 AM	#6
Fiona Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 6,103	Does it strike anyone else as odd that these folk did not at least let the authorities know the lassie was there and ok? Oh, and "The documents describe the Noor Center as "one of the primary sources of Islamic extremism in central Ohio." Is it a big frog in a raindrop or is there a lot of muslim "extremism" in Ohio?
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3rd September 2009, 08:55 AM	#2
Simon39759 Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,064	Well; if she is worried enough to flee home, child services should investigate. Almost certainly, even if the 'honor killing' thing were to be untrue, there is a problem in the family environment. Then, once that is confirmed, there already are rules about how to remove an endangered child from a unsuitable familial environment.

4th September 2009, 07:40 AM	#7
~enigma~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Center of the universe Posts: 7,955	Originally Posted by Fiona Does it strike anyone else as odd that these folk did not at least let the authorities know the lassie was there and ok? Oh, and "The documents describe the Noor Center as "one of the primary sources of Islamic extremism in central Ohio." Is it a big frog in a raindrop or is there a lot of muslim "extremism" in Ohio? According to a muslim friend of mine from Cincinnati the answer is no.

4th September 2009, 08:35 AM	#8
sophia8 Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Scottishland Posts: 1,697	Originally Posted by Fiona Does it strike anyone else as odd that these folk did not at least let the authorities know the lassie was there and ok? Not just odd - I believe the fundies who "rescued" her are technically guilty of kidnapping. If they believed she was in mortal danger, what was the problem with taking her to social services or a womens' shelter? There's strong parallels with the 1957 case of 15-year-old Maura Lyons - different religions, different country, but same bigotry. In that case, a court eventually decided that she had been kidnapped, and ordered her return to her family; thereafter she appears to have disappeared from the news.
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4th September 2009, 08:43 AM	#9
Unlike a Bull Scholar Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 86	The girl is seventeen. I don't know why they don't emancipate her and let her choose where she wants to live and what God she wants to believe in. If she doesn't want her parents to know where she is, then that will be her choice and her choice alone.
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4th September 2009, 09:10 AM	#10
sophia8 Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Scottishland Posts: 1,697	Originally Posted by Unlike a Bull The girl is seventeen. I don't know why they don't emancipate her and let her choose where she wants to live and what God she wants to believe in. If she doesn't want her parents to know where she is, then that will be her choice and her choice alone. If all that Rifqa's new friends wanted for her was to be safe from her parents until she was legally adult, they could have hidden her easily; with the kind of networks the churches have in the US, a person could stay underground for years. But, instead, they chose to parade her in public like some kind of trophy - prize booty won from the enemy in glorious battle. Which illustrates their real motive. My personal hope for her is that she will eventually see that she has been manipulated and used. And that she'll join the Scientologists.
	__________________ "The fact that time will continue after we die does not negate the time that we were alive. We are alive now, and nothing can erase that." - Greta Christina "You will find me if you want me in the garden. Unless it's pouring down with rain" - Einsturzende Neubauten

4th September 2009, 09:17 AM	#11
sophia8 Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Scottishland Posts: 1,697	Edgardo Mortara - An even earlier case of religious kidnapping
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4th September 2009, 10:38 AM	#12
Mister Agenda Muse Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Columbia, SC Posts: 906	Originally Posted by Fiona Does it strike anyone else as odd that these folk did not at least let the authorities know the lassie was there and ok? Oh, and "The documents describe the Noor Center as "one of the primary sources of Islamic extremism in central Ohio." Is it a big frog in a raindrop or is there a lot of muslim "extremism" in Ohio? Not as far as I know...there are a lot of Muslims in Columbus, though. The OT encourages the killing of apostates and disobedient children, too. Jews and Christians elect to somehow interpret the Bible as not requiring this. Muslims are just as capable of somehow interpreting the Koran as not requiring this either. It is highly likely that her parents are sincere in their claim that they have no plans on killing her and her Christian 'friends' have convinced her otherwise. Not in repsonse to you, Fiona, just sayin'.

5th September 2009, 01:26 AM	#13
UnrepentantSinner A post by Alan Smithee Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: USAian is not a word Posts: 23,209	The most glaring hypocracy I see in this case is that the same people who are cheering a minor meeting a strange couple on Facebook, joining their religion and ~~running away from~~ "escaping" their family would be froth-spewing ape**** if this were any other situation.
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