[Merged] Franken and the Tea Bagger...

headscratcher4 · 4th September 2009, 02:00 PM

Ok, it isn't a zing moment a'la Barney Frank...but this is a clip of Franken being questioned by a TeaBagger at the Minn. state fair. I am posting it because -- whether you agree with Franken or not -- it was a civil exchange where questions are asked, answers given and calm and rationality prevail. Franken impressed me here...as did the people asking him questions. You see something like this and it restores some of the hope/pride I have in this country, its citizens and the people they elect.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_277687.html

EDTA: I doubt he convinced anyone or that those who oppose health care reform there convinced him...but it is a discussion, not a crazoid shouting match. And, just to make it clear, I think Franken is wrong on several points...the price negotiation issue with the VA for example. But I wish more of the national discussion had been a discussion and not a who shouts loudest wins session.

HarryKeogh · 4th September 2009, 02:04 PM

Saw this video a little earlier today.

I think when you have a relatively small group of people gathered they lose their urge to shout at the top of their lungs and act like a jackass as opposed to sticking one or two hundred people in a hall where a mob mentality takes over.

dudalb · 4th September 2009, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by headscratcher4

Ok, it isn't a zing moment a'la Barney Frank...but this is a clip of Franken being questioned by a TeaBagger at the Minn. state fair. I am posting it because -- whether you agree with Franken or not -- it was a civil exchange where questions are asked, answers given and calm and rationality prevail. Franken impressed me here...as did the people asking him questions. You see something like this and it restores some of the hope/pride I have in this country, its citizens and the people they elect.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_277687.html

EDTA: I doubt he convinced anyone or that those who oppose health care reform there convinced him...but it is a discussion, not a crazoid shouting match. And, just to make it clear, I think Franken is wrong on several points...the price negotiation issue with the VA for example. But I wish more of the national discussion had been a discussion and not a who shouts loudest wins session.

There are a lot of legit questions about the Health Care Bill..I am concerned about the intial cost figures in the bill being incredibly off ,according to the CBO...but the problem is a lot of the wingnuts are not asking those, but crap like Death Panals.
Not everybody opposed to the healh bill is a wingnut.

headscratcher4 · 4th September 2009, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

There are a lot of legit questions about the Health Care Bill..I am concerned about the intial cost figures in the bill being incredibly off ,according to the CBO...but the problem is a lot of the wingnuts are not asking those, but crap like Death Panals.
Not everybody opposed to the healh bill is a wingnut.

Agree completely, nor are supporters of reform or even the house bill "socialists" or "nazis"...obviously, the tough questions should be asked and I think you are exactly right in that the wing-nuts have given over to asking the berzerker questions rather than trying to draw out politicians' understanding of the bill they are working on.

What bothers me -- not about your post but about the whole debate -- is that I agree with someone I was listening to on NPR the other night. Basically he was saying that these are tough issues, and there are tough questions to be answered, but what has happened to the national debate over the issue is that it has devolved completely, often to the point of irrationality. He worried over our country's ability to address tough problems, especially when seemingly people of otherwise goodwill become so polarized and partisian. It is a sin of both parties to this debate. I'm not suggesting that "bipartisan" is required, but rather that there at least be some consensus that people are struggling with a hard problem where there a complicated and possibly no good solutions and to at least treat each other with respect.

Oh well... enough of my rambles...

boloboffin · 4th September 2009, 03:45 PM

Say what you like about Al Franken, this video shows him at his very best, and his very best is very good indeed:

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The title of the YouTube is silly - there's not an unruly mob anywhere in evidence on the videotape. Maybe it was more rowdy before the videomaker could get his camera out. Maybe. But he's actually talking to and listening to people who disagree with him on the healthcare issue, and his skills in responding to concerns are exemplary.

Matthew Best · 4th September 2009, 03:51 PM

There's a thread about this already:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=5076221

geni · 4th September 2009, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

There are a lot of legit questions about the Health Care Bill..I am concerned about the intial cost figures in the bill being incredibly off ,according to the CBO...but the problem is a lot of the wingnuts are not asking those, but crap like Death Panals.
Not everybody opposed to the healh bill is a wingnut.

Thats of only limited significance. The teabaggers and the like are useful to those who wish to prevent reform. People who want to sit around with measured debates about costs? Not so much. The PR line doesn't work so well on that level. Not enough soundbytes.

boloboffin · 4th September 2009, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by Matthew Best

There's a thread about this already:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=5076221

Well, dern.

dudalb · 4th September 2009, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by geni

Thats of only limited significance. The teabaggers and the like are useful to those who wish to prevent reform. People who want to sit around with measured debates about costs? Not so much. The PR line doesn't work so well on that level. Not enough soundbytes.

Sorry, but "that is of limited significance" is the kind of thinking that left us will trillion dollar deficits. Two things I demand of any health care plan are A.A Honest realistic estimate of how much it will cost and B. details as to how exactly it will be paid for.

geni · 4th September 2009, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Sorry, but "that is of limited significance" is the kind of thinking that left us will trillion dollar deficits. Two things I demand of any health care plan are A.A Honest realistic estimate of how much it will cost and B. details as to how exactly it will be paid for.

The odds of the the issue being decided by such concerns are at this point pretty much zilch. Find a PR guy with a good way to express it and someone prepared to spend millions getting your message out and it's posible that might change. Otherwise your questions remain of limited significance.

Tricky · 4th September 2009, 06:09 PM

Franken did a great job of handling the crowd. To be completely fair, the crowd did not contain anyone that was trying to shout him down. A number of people interrupted, and Franken handled it well, but he did most of the talking. He did not have to deal with the complete asshats who won't let the speaker talk. I think, as a comic, he knows how to deal with hecklers.

corplinx · 4th September 2009, 06:17 PM

Are we still referring to deficit protesters, health care protesters, and LaRouche voters collectively as a homosexuals?

This "tea baggers" thing is kind of juvenile.....

geni · 4th September 2009, 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by corplinx

Are we still referring to deficit protesters, health care protesters, and LaRouche voters collectively as a homosexuals?

This "tea baggers" thing is kind of juvenile.....

Perhaps but it's not a suggestion of homosexuality and he become the convient lable to use until some one comes up with a better alturnative to Tea Party protestors and (losely or otherwise) allied groups/individuals.

oldhat · 4th September 2009, 06:46 PM

I predict a long and fruitful career in the Senate for Franken, and I'm not just saying that as a partisan Democrat. He seemed unusually well informed and approachable for a senator and articulated his views well. I really liked the part when the man tried to say that the hospital in Texas was spending too much money because of illegal immigrants but then Franken referred back to the counterexample of the hospital in Texas and shut him down. He knows his stuff and he's passionate about the issues.

Calling these uninformed nuts teabaggers is juvenile but they deserve nothing but ridicule and mockery for spreading lies about Obama being a secret Nazi Communist Muslim who was born in Kenya and preparing an army of Dr. Mengeles who are going to be deployed to kill their grandmas. Scorn and laughter is the most effective weapon against modern day Birchers.

corplinx · 4th September 2009, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by geni

Perhaps but it's not a suggestion of homosexuality and he become the convient lable to use until some one comes up with a better alturnative to Tea Party protestors and (losely or otherwise) allied groups/individuals.

When the term was coined, it was pretty clearly done so with a smirk and grin because of the sex act mostly performed by male homosexuals.

Juniversal · 4th September 2009, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by corplinx

When the term was coined, it was pretty clearly done so with a smirk and grin because of the sex act mostly performed by male homosexuals.

Well apparently nobody told THEM (the tea baggers) that. They seemed fine with the term.

boloboffin · 4th September 2009, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by corplinx

When the term was coined, it was pretty clearly done so with a smirk and grin because of the sex act mostly performed by male homosexuals.

They are the ones that came up with the idea of mailing tea bags to members of Congress (click here for a representative posting). That's where the whole idea to call them teabaggers came from.

And I really hate how funny you are when you aren't picking on me.

Tricky · 4th September 2009, 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by Juniversal

Well apparently nobody told THEM (the tea baggers) that. They seemed fine with the term.

Indeed. One lady in the video was wearing a t-shirt that had a variation of one of their slogans, "Taxed Enough Already" on it. They don't seem to have a problem with it. It's like when people call me a Librul. They mean it as an insult, but I'm fine with it.

tyr_13 · 4th September 2009, 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by corplinx

When the term was coined, it was pretty clearly done so with a smirk and grin because of the sex act mostly performed by male homosexuals.

Again, I'd never even heard that it was tied to homosexuality until these message boards. It seems pretty broadly sexual to me.

RSLancastr · 4th September 2009, 08:06 PM

Nice post, 'scratcher!

corplinx · 4th September 2009, 09:09 PM

Originally Posted by tyr_13

Again, I'd never even heard that it was tied to homosexuality until these message boards. It seems pretty broadly sexual to me.

Probably the first widely known mention of the practice was in the Waters film "Pecker".

Later it became a form of hazing for people who had passed out at parties.

GreNME · 4th September 2009, 10:58 PM

I think Franken handled that well, and yet at least three of the people in that video seemed determined to the point of blatant cognitive dissonance to disagree with him no matter what he said. Personally, my own opinion is more like the guy narrating/reporting in the video on this page (the video is good, regardless of one's thoughts on HuffPo).

UnrepentantSinner · 4th September 2009, 11:36 PM

The would have booed, hooted and shouted more if Franken were in a wheelchair.

corplinx · 4th September 2009, 11:56 PM

Are people in wheelchairs supposed to be protected from being heckled at health care town halls? Everyone else gets heckled.

Oh right, its an emotional appeal. Nevermind.

thaiboxerken · 5th September 2009, 12:01 AM

Hmm.. you're complaining about appeals to emotion while defending the tea-baggers.....Nice.

corplinx · 5th September 2009, 12:09 AM

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

Hmm.. you're complaining about appeals to emotion while defending the tea-baggers.....Nice.

Point out where I defended them.

I said:
1. the term "tea baggers" is juvenile and probably should be moderated on this forum
2. someone being in a wheelchair getting heckled is just as bad as someone who is standing getting heckled

Neither of those means that the town hall griefers are good people. If you read those as a defense of those people, that's just your blinders at work. If you bothered to read past threads on the subject, you would see that my opinion is that disruptive people should be thrown out on their rears.

Just keep working on it Thai. One day you'll get it.

UnrepentantSinner · 5th September 2009, 01:16 AM

Originally Posted by corplinx

Are people in wheelchairs supposed to be protected from being heckled at health care town halls? Everyone else gets heckled.

Tu quoque.

Originally Posted by corplinx

Oh right, its an emotional appeal. Nevermind.

Actually it was sarcasm, but if you have to explain a joke...

GreNME · 5th September 2009, 01:21 AM

Originally Posted by corplinx

Are people in wheelchairs supposed to be protected from being heckled at health care town halls? Everyone else gets heckled.

Oh right, its an emotional appeal. Nevermind.

Your ridiculous tu quoque aside, I pointed out the video, not the Huffington Post commentary. Considering the heckling of the woman in the wheelchair is only a small part of the point in the video. So, great job in dodging the point.

corplinx · 5th September 2009, 01:29 AM

Yeah, I globbed your two posts together as I was reading the thread. My bad.

geni · 5th September 2009, 05:54 AM

Originally Posted by corplinx

When the term was coined, it was pretty clearly done so with a smirk and grin because of the sex act mostly performed by male homosexuals.

[citation needed]

Ysidro · 5th September 2009, 08:03 AM

Originally Posted by boloboffin

They are the ones that came up with the idea of mailing tea bags to members of Congress (click here for a representative posting). That's where the whole idea to call them teabaggers came from.

And I really hate how funny you are when you aren't picking on me.

Additionally: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teabagg...Party_protests

The protestors started using the term and didn't bother to ask a 12 year old boy. Folks who still use the term are making fun of them for having a marketing strategy as poorly thought out as McDonald's infamous "I'd Hit It" campaign.

headscratcher4 · 5th September 2009, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by corplinx

Are we still referring to deficit protesters, health care protesters, and LaRouche voters collectively as a homosexuals?

This "tea baggers" thing is kind of juvenile.....

THe woman who started the questioning in the video was wearing a Tea Bag Party shirt...

I don't disagree with you point, it was just an easy label to grab

corplinx · 5th September 2009, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by geni

[citation needed]

Anderson Cooper: 'It's Hard to Talk When You're Tea-Bagging'

headscratcher4 · 5th September 2009, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by RSLancastr

Nice post, 'scratcher!

Good to have you back!

geni · 5th September 2009, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by corplinx

Anderson Cooper: 'It's Hard to Talk When You're Tea-Bagging'

Actualy I was looking for the citation that it was mostly a homosexual activity.

corplinx · 5th September 2009, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by geni

Actualy I was looking for the citation that it was mostly a homosexual activity.

Perhaps a poor choice of words on my part. Teabagging first became widely known about because of Waters and his definition of it was in a gay context.

http://www.rotten.com/library/sex/teabagging/

GreNME · 5th September 2009, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by corplinx

Yeah, I globbed your two posts together as I was reading the thread. My bad.

Okay, fair enough. I take back my meanies.

shadron · 5th September 2009, 04:01 PM

You also have to hand it to Franken - I've been in a few of these sorts of situations myself, and the very first order of business is preparation. He knows the arguments, if not all the technicalities, cold. You have to have examples and contrary positions already worked out and waiting to be called to the front, as he shows. He has to have prepared himself to concentrate on the conversation and not ever loose focus, regardless of the left field comments, but he still has to be listening. Part of this is, of course, standard training for any on-stage show business type, as well for any politician. Here they compliment each other.

Also, it's one thing to shout at a politicain at a podium 30 feet away. It's another to do it when he's standing right next to you, with friends and neighbirs standing around. The crowd dynamics are strikingly different.

hgc · 5th September 2009, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by corplinx

1. the term "tea baggers" is juvenile and probably should be moderated on this forum

Moderated?!?! Your faux outrage just went from pitiful and annoying to unbelievable.

shadron · 7th September 2009, 11:25 PM

Perhaps an unsuspected talent!

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I don't know about anyone else, but to me (I do a lot of geographic database work) that's an impressive talent.

4th September 2009, 02:00 PM	#1
headscratcher4 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 6,424	Franken and the Tea Bagger... Ok, it isn't a zing moment a'la Barney Frank...but this is a clip of Franken being questioned by a TeaBagger at the Minn. state fair. I am posting it because -- whether you agree with Franken or not -- it was a civil exchange where questions are asked, answers given and calm and rationality prevail. Franken impressed me here...as did the people asking him questions. You see something like this and it restores some of the hope/pride I have in this country, its citizens and the people they elect. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_277687.html EDTA: I doubt he convinced anyone or that those who oppose health care reform there convinced him...but it is a discussion, not a crazoid shouting match. And, just to make it clear, I think Franken is wrong on several points...the price negotiation issue with the VA for example. But I wish more of the national discussion had been a discussion and not a who shouts loudest wins session.
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4th September 2009, 03:00 PM	#4
headscratcher4 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 6,424	Originally Posted by dudalb There are a lot of legit questions about the Health Care Bill..I am concerned about the intial cost figures in the bill being incredibly off ,according to the CBO...but the problem is a lot of the wingnuts are not asking those, but crap like Death Panals. Not everybody opposed to the healh bill is a wingnut. Agree completely, nor are supporters of reform or even the house bill "socialists" or "nazis"...obviously, the tough questions should be asked and I think you are exactly right in that the wing-nuts have given over to asking the berzerker questions rather than trying to draw out politicians' understanding of the bill they are working on. What bothers me -- not about your post but about the whole debate -- is that I agree with someone I was listening to on NPR the other night. Basically he was saying that these are tough issues, and there are tough questions to be answered, but what has happened to the national debate over the issue is that it has devolved completely, often to the point of irrationality. He worried over our country's ability to address tough problems, especially when seemingly people of otherwise goodwill become so polarized and partisian. It is a sin of both parties to this debate. I'm not suggesting that "bipartisan" is required, but rather that there at least be some consensus that people are struggling with a hard problem where there a complicated and possibly no good solutions and to at least treat each other with respect. Oh well... enough of my rambles...
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4th September 2009, 06:17 PM	#12
corplinx JREF Kid Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 8,839	Are we still referring to deficit protesters, health care protesters, and LaRouche voters collectively as a homosexuals? This "tea baggers" thing is kind of juvenile.....
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4th September 2009, 06:46 PM	#14
oldhat Muse Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 993	I predict a long and fruitful career in the Senate for Franken, and I'm not just saying that as a partisan Democrat. He seemed unusually well informed and approachable for a senator and articulated his views well. I really liked the part when the man tried to say that the hospital in Texas was spending too much money because of illegal immigrants but then Franken referred back to the counterexample of the hospital in Texas and shut him down. He knows his stuff and he's passionate about the issues. Calling these uninformed nuts teabaggers is juvenile but they deserve nothing but ridicule and mockery for spreading lies about Obama being a secret Nazi Communist Muslim who was born in Kenya and preparing an army of Dr. Mengeles who are going to be deployed to kill their grandmas. Scorn and laughter is the most effective weapon against modern day Birchers.
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4th September 2009, 06:59 PM	#15
corplinx JREF Kid Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 8,839	Originally Posted by geni Perhaps but it's not a suggestion of homosexuality and he become the convient lable to use until some one comes up with a better alturnative to Tea Party protestors and (losely or otherwise) allied groups/individuals. When the term was coined, it was pretty clearly done so with a smirk and grin because of the sex act mostly performed by male homosexuals.
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4th September 2009, 02:04 PM	#2
HarryKeogh Catholic School Survivor Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: New York, NY Posts: 10,717	Saw this video a little earlier today. I think when you have a relatively small group of people gathered they lose their urge to shout at the top of their lungs and act like a jackass as opposed to sticking one or two hundred people in a hall where a mob mentality takes over.

4th September 2009, 02:20 PM	#3
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 14,451	Originally Posted by headscratcher4 Ok, it isn't a zing moment a'la Barney Frank...but this is a clip of Franken being questioned by a TeaBagger at the Minn. state fair. I am posting it because -- whether you agree with Franken or not -- it was a civil exchange where questions are asked, answers given and calm and rationality prevail. Franken impressed me here...as did the people asking him questions. You see something like this and it restores some of the hope/pride I have in this country, its citizens and the people they elect. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_277687.html EDTA: I doubt he convinced anyone or that those who oppose health care reform there convinced him...but it is a discussion, not a crazoid shouting match. And, just to make it clear, I think Franken is wrong on several points...the price negotiation issue with the VA for example. But I wish more of the national discussion had been a discussion and not a who shouts loudest wins session. There are a lot of legit questions about the Health Care Bill..I am concerned about the intial cost figures in the bill being incredibly off ,according to the CBO...but the problem is a lot of the wingnuts are not asking those, but crap like Death Panals. Not everybody opposed to the healh bill is a wingnut.

4th September 2009, 03:51 PM	#6
Matthew Best Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Leicester Square, London Posts: 1,343	There's a thread about this already: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=5076221

4th September 2009, 04:07 PM	#8
boloboffin Guest Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 5,005	Originally Posted by Matthew Best There's a thread about this already: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=5076221 Well, dern.

4th September 2009, 04:08 PM	#9
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 14,451	Originally Posted by geni Thats of only limited significance. The teabaggers and the like are useful to those who wish to prevent reform. People who want to sit around with measured debates about costs? Not so much. The PR line doesn't work so well on that level. Not enough soundbytes. Sorry, but "that is of limited significance" is the kind of thinking that left us will trillion dollar deficits. Two things I demand of any health care plan are A.A Honest realistic estimate of how much it will cost and B. details as to how exactly it will be paid for.

4th September 2009, 04:21 PM	#10
geni Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: UK Posts: 20,280	Originally Posted by dudalb Sorry, but "that is of limited significance" is the kind of thinking that left us will trillion dollar deficits. Two things I demand of any health care plan are A.A Honest realistic estimate of how much it will cost and B. details as to how exactly it will be paid for. The odds of the the issue being decided by such concerns are at this point pretty much zilch. Find a PR guy with a good way to express it and someone prepared to spend millions getting your message out and it's posible that might change. Otherwise your questions remain of limited significance.

4th September 2009, 06:09 PM	#11
Tricky Radical centrist Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Group W bench Posts: 27,287	Franken did a great job of handling the crowd. To be completely fair, the crowd did not contain anyone that was trying to shout him down. A number of people interrupted, and Franken handled it well, but he did most of the talking. He did not have to deal with the complete asshats who won't let the speaker talk. I think, as a comic, he knows how to deal with hecklers.

4th September 2009, 06:23 PM	#13
geni Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: UK Posts: 20,280	Originally Posted by corplinx Are we still referring to deficit protesters, health care protesters, and LaRouche voters collectively as a homosexuals? This "tea baggers" thing is kind of juvenile..... Perhaps but it's not a suggestion of homosexuality and he become the convient lable to use until some one comes up with a better alturnative to Tea Party protestors and (losely or otherwise) allied groups/individuals.

4th September 2009, 07:15 PM	#16
Juniversal CIA + FBI + NWO Employee Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Cincinnati, USA Posts: 382	Originally Posted by corplinx When the term was coined, it was pretty clearly done so with a smirk and grin because of the sex act mostly performed by male homosexuals. Well apparently nobody told THEM (the tea baggers) that. They seemed fine with the term.

4th September 2009, 07:44 PM	#17
boloboffin Guest Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 5,005	Originally Posted by corplinx When the term was coined, it was pretty clearly done so with a smirk and grin because of the sex act mostly performed by male homosexuals. They are the ones that came up with the idea of mailing tea bags to members of Congress (click here for a representative posting). That's where the whole idea to call them teabaggers came from. And I really hate how funny you are when you aren't picking on me.

4th September 2009, 07:50 PM	#18
Tricky Radical centrist Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Group W bench Posts: 27,287	Originally Posted by Juniversal Well apparently nobody told THEM (the tea baggers) that. They seemed fine with the term. Indeed. One lady in the video was wearing a t-shirt that had a variation of one of their slogans, "Taxed Enough Already" on it. They don't seem to have a problem with it. It's like when people call me a Librul. They mean it as an insult, but I'm fine with it.

4th September 2009, 07:59 PM	#19
tyr_13 Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,019	Originally Posted by corplinx When the term was coined, it was pretty clearly done so with a smirk and grin because of the sex act mostly performed by male homosexuals. Again, I'd never even heard that it was tied to homosexuality until these message boards. It seems pretty broadly sexual to me.
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4th September 2009, 09:09 PM	#21
corplinx JREF Kid Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 8,839	Originally Posted by tyr_13 Again, I'd never even heard that it was tied to homosexuality until these message boards. It seems pretty broadly sexual to me. Probably the first widely known mention of the practice was in the Waters film "Pecker". Later it became a form of hazing for people who had passed out at parties.
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4th September 2009, 10:58 PM	#22
GreNME Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Folsom Prison Posts: 6,412	I think Franken handled that well, and yet at least three of the people in that video seemed determined to the point of blatant cognitive dissonance to disagree with him no matter what he said. Personally, my own opinion is more like the guy narrating/reporting in the video on this page (the video is good, regardless of one's thoughts on HuffPo).
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4th September 2009, 11:36 PM	#23
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4th September 2009, 11:56 PM	#24
corplinx JREF Kid Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 8,839	Are people in wheelchairs supposed to be protected from being heckled at health care town halls? Everyone else gets heckled. Oh right, its an emotional appeal. Nevermind.
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5th September 2009, 12:01 AM	#25
thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 13,315	Hmm.. you're complaining about appeals to emotion while defending the tea-baggers.....Nice.
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5th September 2009, 12:09 AM	#26
corplinx JREF Kid Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 8,839	Originally Posted by thaiboxerken Hmm.. you're complaining about appeals to emotion while defending the tea-baggers.....Nice. Point out where I defended them. I said: 1. the term "tea baggers" is juvenile and probably should be moderated on this forum 2. someone being in a wheelchair getting heckled is just as bad as someone who is standing getting heckled Neither of those means that the town hall griefers are good people. If you read those as a defense of those people, that's just your blinders at work. If you bothered to read past threads on the subject, you would see that my opinion is that disruptive people should be thrown out on their rears. Just keep working on it Thai. One day you'll get it.
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5th September 2009, 01:16 AM	#27
UnrepentantSinner A post by Alan Smithee Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: USAian is not a word Posts: 23,209	Originally Posted by corplinx Are people in wheelchairs supposed to be protected from being heckled at health care town halls? Everyone else gets heckled. Tu quoque. Originally Posted by corplinx Oh right, its an emotional appeal. Nevermind. Actually it was sarcasm, but if you have to explain a joke...
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5th September 2009, 01:21 AM	#28
GreNME Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Folsom Prison Posts: 6,412	Originally Posted by corplinx Are people in wheelchairs supposed to be protected from being heckled at health care town halls? Everyone else gets heckled. Oh right, its an emotional appeal. Nevermind. Your ridiculous tu quoque aside, I pointed out the video, not the Huffington Post commentary. Considering the heckling of the woman in the wheelchair is only a small part of the point in the video. So, great job in dodging the point.
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5th September 2009, 01:29 AM	#29
corplinx JREF Kid Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 8,839	Yeah, I globbed your two posts together as I was reading the thread. My bad.
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5th September 2009, 05:54 AM	#30
geni Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: UK Posts: 20,280	Originally Posted by corplinx When the term was coined, it was pretty clearly done so with a smirk and grin because of the sex act mostly performed by male homosexuals. [citation needed]

5th September 2009, 08:03 AM	#31
Ysidro I'm watching you Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,853	Originally Posted by boloboffin They are the ones that came up with the idea of mailing tea bags to members of Congress (click here for a representative posting). That's where the whole idea to call them teabaggers came from. And I really hate how funny you are when you aren't picking on me. Additionally: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teabagg...Party_protests The protestors started using the term and didn't bother to ask a 12 year old boy. Folks who still use the term are making fun of them for having a marketing strategy as poorly thought out as McDonald's infamous "I'd Hit It" campaign.
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5th September 2009, 11:37 AM	#32
headscratcher4 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 6,424	Originally Posted by corplinx Are we still referring to deficit protesters, health care protesters, and LaRouche voters collectively as a homosexuals? This "tea baggers" thing is kind of juvenile..... THe woman who started the questioning in the video was wearing a Tea Bag Party shirt... I don't disagree with you point, it was just an easy label to grab
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5th September 2009, 11:38 AM	#33
corplinx JREF Kid Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 8,839	Originally Posted by geni [citation needed] Anderson Cooper: 'It's Hard to Talk When You're Tea-Bagging'
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5th September 2009, 11:39 AM	#34
headscratcher4 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 6,424	Originally Posted by RSLancastr Nice post, 'scratcher! Good to have you back!
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5th September 2009, 11:43 AM	#35
geni Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: UK Posts: 20,280	Originally Posted by corplinx Anderson Cooper: 'It's Hard to Talk When You're Tea-Bagging' Actualy I was looking for the citation that it was mostly a homosexual activity.

5th September 2009, 11:54 AM	#36
corplinx JREF Kid Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 8,839	Originally Posted by geni Actualy I was looking for the citation that it was mostly a homosexual activity. Perhaps a poor choice of words on my part. Teabagging first became widely known about because of Waters and his definition of it was in a gay context. http://www.rotten.com/library/sex/teabagging/
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5th September 2009, 12:00 PM	#37
GreNME Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Folsom Prison Posts: 6,412	Originally Posted by corplinx Yeah, I globbed your two posts together as I was reading the thread. My bad. Okay, fair enough. I take back my meanies.
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