Forming an independent investigation - Page 4

bill smith · 16th September 2009, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by tsig

So it would all be a tease with no climax?

I don't think you can jack up the public like that and then provide no release. The burst of opinion would cream you.

I had times when I wanted to stretch necks. I even wanted to bring back the Guillotine for this crime. That semed appropriate because if any country ever needed a French Revolution that country is/was America. You have let your aristos run away with you.

beachnut · 16th September 2009, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by bill smith

It's not my concern what is done with them afterwards. Always assuning that the chief suspects have not flown the coop of course. As long as the entire world knows for certain who they are and what they did that will be enough for me.

The 19 terrorists are dead; you missed 911 and have delusions.

nicepants · 16th September 2009, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by bill smith

No I am thinking of well known senior American judges. But under the intense scrutiny of the entire Nation and the rest of the world who are fully abreast of the facts I suspect that they will go with the evidence.

So after both sides have presented their evidence, the decision will be made by "senior American Judges"?

There goes the "independent" part of your investigation.

Originally Posted by CHF

I can only assume this is to allow you an excuse to dismiss the verdict when it arrives.

Sounds about right to me.

DGM · 16th September 2009, 02:51 PM

Bill:
So you don't want an investigation you want witch hunt. Do you know what the difference is? Why would you want an investigation when you already know the "truth"? You need to find some place in this world willing to prosecute without due course (sorry not the US).

dudalb · 16th September 2009, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by bill smith

So it seems that we I have a working model for a new 9/11 investigation. One that has the best chance of being corruption-free.

Fixed that for you.
I don't see anybody else signing on your "working model".

bill smith · 16th September 2009, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by nicepants

So after both sides have presented their evidence, the decision will be made by "senior American Judges"?

There goes the "independent" part of your investigation.

Sounds about right to me.

I'm virtually certain that the judges will do the right thing in this case. I would.

beachnut · 16th September 2009, 03:38 PM

Don't forget; Sheen has "bottomless warren of unanswered questions.".

"911 truth", named after something they are not looking for!

The best part of 911 truth, really a lies spreading club, they could not form an independent thought let alone an independent investigation.

dudalb · 16th September 2009, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by bill smith

I had times when I wanted to stretch necks. I even wanted to bring back the Guillotine for this crime. That semed appropriate because if any country ever needed a French Revolution that country is/was America. You have let your aristos run away with you.

SInce apparently "bill smith" is a she, I suggest on the strength of this post she change her name to "Madame Defarge".

dudalb · 16th September 2009, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by bill smith

I'm virtually certain that the judges will do the right thing in this case. I would.

Great FSM, you have spent the last year here proving how corrupt the US Establishment and legal system is and then you expect Federal Judges to "do the right thing"?

bill smith · 16th September 2009, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

SInce apparently "bill smith" is a she, I suggest on the strength of this post she change her name to "Madame Defarge".

I even have the knitting needles.lol

bill smith · 16th September 2009, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Great FSM, you have spent the last year here proving how corrupt the US Establishment and legal system is and then you expect Federal Judges to "do the right thing"?

Only because the American people would insist on American judges.

triforcharity · 16th September 2009, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by bill smith

Even if they lie we will be able to trip them up left right and centre....on TV. And the more witnesses we subpoena the more we will make a mess of them.

Maybe after it's all over the TV channells can develop shows along the lines of what you are suggesting.

And what happenes when EVERY SINGLE PERSON that you call to the stand says the following words??

I PLEAD THE FIFTH!!

What then?? Talk about an EPIC FAIL!! Ha ha ha.....

BTW, who sits on this jury?? I mean, we DO have the right to have a trial by JURY, right?? Or, because in THIS investigation, all of our rights are suspended?? That right there is where your problem is. Beyond the "unbiased" thing.

tsig · 16th September 2009, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by bill smith

I had times when I wanted to stretch necks. I even wanted to bring back the Guillotine for this crime. That semed appropriate because if any country ever needed a French Revolution that country is/was America. You have let your aristos run away with you.

So you are up for the beheading after all you just don't want to get your hands bloody.

Yeah having a President rule by divine right seems a bit off the wall.

tsig · 16th September 2009, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by triforcharity

And what happenes when EVERY SINGLE PERSON that you call to the stand says the following words??

I PLEAD THE FIFTH!!

What then?? Talk about an EPIC FAIL!! Ha ha ha.....

BTW, who sits on this jury?? I mean, we DO have the right to have a trial by JURY, right?? Or, because in THIS investigation, all of our rights are suspended?? That right there is where your problem is. Beyond the "unbiased" thing.

They have to suspend our rights to preserve them.

In a big jar with the lid sealed tight.

bill smith · 16th September 2009, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by triforcharity

And what happenes when EVERY SINGLE PERSON that you call to the stand says the following words??

I PLEAD THE FIFTH!!

What then?? Talk about an EPIC FAIL!! Ha ha ha.....

BTW, who sits on this jury?? I mean, we DO have the right to have a trial by JURY, right?? Or, because in THIS investigation, all of our rights are suspended?? That right there is where your problem is. Beyond the "unbiased" thing.

The watching audience of likely a billion or two people around the world will draw their own conclusions from all the government witnesses taking the fifth. In this case a kitchen table judgement on a world scale would be enough.

But I think we will have solid empirical evidence anyway and will not have to rely on witnesses

There can be a jury if neccessary, though I think a panel of three judges would be enough.

There will be some tweaking needed but the outline seems to be sound.

dtugg · 16th September 2009, 05:08 PM

bs, you've never explained to me how twoofer morons are going to stop the NWO from just whacking witnesses that are about to spill the beans.

Bluesky · 16th September 2009, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by bill smith

The watching audience of likely a billion or two people around the world will draw their own conclusions from all the government witnesses taking the fifth. In this case a kitchen table judgement on a world scale would be enough.

But I think we will have solid empirical evidence anyway and will not have to rely on witnesses

There can be a jury if neccessary, though I think a panel of three judges would be enough.

There will be some tweaking needed but the outline seems to be sound.

So it will be a battle of the ratings. The ae911truthers pitting their Youtube movies against the mountains of considered evidence from NIST. Hey if the ae911tm can keep the evidence to soundbites, the NIST team don't stand a chance.! Can you just imagine a minute of Les Robertson vs Bill Smith... The truth will be much less entertaining.

If the ae911truthers get enough money, after Gage's yacht of course, the Lord of The Rings producers may even do their video compilation.

The sad thing is that Bill is really explaining ae911truth's strategy for a new investigation.

The Platypus · 16th September 2009, 05:57 PM

So Bill,

Let's say we have this ridiculous imaginary investigation/trial scenario take place, and your side loses and the public and judges all find that 9/11 wasn't an inside job...

Then what? You would then accept it?

dudalb · 16th September 2009, 06:00 PM

Planet Earth calling Bill Smith, Planet Earth calling Bill Smith....

triforcharity · 16th September 2009, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by bill smith

The watching audience of likely a billion or two people around the world will draw their own conclusions from all the government witnesses taking the fifth. In this case a kitchen table judgement on a world scale would be enough.

But I think we will have solid empirical evidence anyway and will not have to rely on witnesses

There can be a jury if neccessary, though I think a panel of three judges would be enough.

There will be some tweaking needed but the outline seems to be sound.

Two Fails, one paragraph.

The people of the world have already heard your dirt-dumb story. Most do NOT believe it. Some dumber ones do though. But, a trial is not tried in the court of public opinion. It is tried in front of a jury of our peers.

Secondly, I have the right to a trial by jury. It is one of my rights as a citizen of the USA, and is guaranteed by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

Sorry, but you dirt-dumb idea is full of fail.

CHF · 16th September 2009, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by bill smith

I'm virtually certain that the judges will do the right thing in this case. I would.

The "right thing?"

Sounds like you already know the "right" verdict, Bill.

So why not just skip the "trial" and go straight to the firing squad?

SpitfireIX · 17th September 2009, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by triforcharity

Ok, I will take the following people.

all the Engineers from Perdue and MIT, along with all the chemists from those colleges.

<cough>

SpitfireIX · 17th September 2009, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

SInce apparently "bill smith" is a she, I suggest on the strength of this post she change her name to "Madame Defarge".

nicepants · 17th September 2009, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by bill smith

I'm virtually certain that the judges will do the right thing in this case. I would.

What you consider "the right thing" and what those judges consider "the right thing" may not be the same.

What would you do if the judges decided against the truthers?

T.A.M. · 17th September 2009, 12:07 PM

Here is my new suggested list for co-chairs of bs's new investigation:

1. Muammar Gaddafi
2. Kim Jong-il
3. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
4. OBL

TAM

triforcharity · 17th September 2009, 03:31 PM

Purdue?? I am sorry, I was thinking the guys from the Chicken University. My apologies.

Even THOSE guys still know more about physics than most twoofers.

triforcharity · 17th September 2009, 10:53 PM

Bill,

What happens if every single person that you put on the stands says these words.

I plead the fifth.

What will happen then??

Do we suspend our rights guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States of America?? That ammendment, aptly named, the 5th ammendment, says that I or anyone else do not have to incriminate ourselves.

What are you going to do???

Dave Rogers · 18th September 2009, 01:04 AM

Originally Posted by T.A.M.

Here is my new suggested list for co-chairs of bs's new investigation:

1. Muammar Gaddafi
2. Kim Jong-il
3. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
4. OBL

TAM

Even with that panel, I think we're looking at a 2-2 split vote on the verdict.

Dave

Dave Rogers · 18th September 2009, 01:06 AM

Originally Posted by triforcharity

Do we suspend our rights guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States of America?? That ammendment, aptly named, the 5th ammendment, says that I or anyone else do not have to incriminate ourselves.

What are you going to do???

[truther] D00d, Dick Cheney already suspended the constitution! It's called the Patirot act, dumbass - cant u sheeple READ?!!?!!![/truther]

Dave

bill smith · 18th September 2009, 02:39 AM

Originally Posted by triforcharity

Bill,

What happens if every single person that you put on the stands says these words.

I plead the fifth.

What will happen then??

Do we suspend our rights guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States of America?? That ammendment, aptly named, the 5th ammendment, says that I or anyone else do not have to incriminate ourselves.

What are you going to do???

The watching audience of likely a billion or two people around the world will draw their own conclusions from all the government witnesses taking the fifth. In this case a kitchen table judgement on a world scale would be enough.

But I think we will have solid empirical evidence anyway and will not have to rely on witnesses

There can be a jury if neccessary, though I think a panel of three judges would be enough.

There will be some tweaking needed but the outline seems to be sound.

The Platypus · 18th September 2009, 09:05 AM

Originally Posted by bill smith

The watching audience of likely a billion or two people around the world will draw their own conclusions from all the government witnesses taking the fifth. In this case a kitchen table judgement on a world scale would be enough.

But I think we will have solid empirical evidence anyway and will not have to rely on witnesses

There can be a jury if neccessary, though I think a panel of three judges would be enough.

There will be some tweaking needed but the outline seems to be sound.

And what if the conclusion of the 3 judges, the jury and the vast majority of the world ended up concluding what is already the case, that your side is nonsense and there was no inside job...

Then what? That would "be enough" and you would then realize you have been playing fairy tale games?

DGM · 18th September 2009, 09:09 AM

Originally Posted by bill smith

The watching audience of likely a billion or two people around the world will draw their own conclusions from all the government witnesses taking the fifth. In this case a kitchen table judgement on a world scale would be enough.

But I think we will have solid empirical evidence anyway and will not have to rely on witnesses

There can be a jury if neccessary, though I think a panel of three judges would be enough.

There will be some tweaking needed but the outline seems to be sound.

How would this happen? Remember all the major networks and MSM are "in on it". It sucks you guys threw so many people under the bus, Huh?

CHF · 18th September 2009, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by bill smith

The watching audience of likely a billion or two people around the world will draw their own conclusions from all the government witnesses taking the fifth. In this case a kitchen table judgement on a world scale would be enough.

We already have an idea as to what would happen, bill.

You folks have been bombarding the internet with one-sided truther "documentaries" for several years now in which your side gets 100% of the talk time.

Tens of millions of people have seen these propaganda pieces.

And yet the biggest truther rallies draw 100+ in NYC, 25 in Toronto, 6 in Boston.....etc etc.

The kitchen table verdict is in: you're insane.

triforcharity · 18th September 2009, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by bill smith

The watching audience of likely a billion or two people around the world will draw their own conclusions from all the government witnesses taking the fifth. In this case a kitchen table judgement on a world scale would be enough.

But I think we will have solid empirical evidence anyway and will not have to rely on witnesses

There can be a jury if neccessary, though I think a panel of three judges would be enough.

There will be some tweaking needed but the outline seems to be sound.

Oh, yes, a jury would most CERTAINLY be nessary. Absolutely, because that is our rights as Americans. You cannot get past this ever. Not even in your lifetime.
I also have the right to cross-examine any testimony, as per our Bill of Rights nd Constitution. You also cannot get beyond this ever.

Again, remember that a trial is not decided by the public, but rather by a jury. It wouldn't matter WHAT these "Billions" thought, as "thought" is not a conviction. Hell, if a thought is all that is needed for a conviction, many many many people would be in prison wrongfully.

The outline is NOT sound, in any court in the USA or the UN. Its just a fail.

triforcharity · 18th September 2009, 11:40 AM

BTW, I asked my kitchen table, and he/she agrees, its idiotic.

Bluesky · 26th September 2009, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by bill smith

The watching audience of likely a billion or two people around the world will draw their own conclusions from all the government witnesses taking the fifth. In this case a kitchen table judgement on a world scale would be enough.

But I think we will have solid empirical evidence anyway and will not have to rely on witnesses

There can be a jury if neccessary, though I think a panel of three judges would be enough.

There will be some tweaking needed but the outline seems to be sound.

And if you can get 2 billion people to watch, then the ratings will be great. You would be in competition with other reality shows like CSI and NCIS.

I am sure that even if only 1 in a thousand people believe, then Richard Gage would be so stunningly rich... oh joy!

dafydd · 27th September 2009, 02:03 AM

Originally Posted by CHF

We already have an idea as to what would happen, bill.

You folks have been bombarding the internet with one-sided truther "documentaries" for several years now in which your side gets 100% of the talk time.

Tens of millions of people have seen these propaganda pieces.

And yet the biggest truther rallies draw 100+ in NYC, 25 in Toronto, 6 in Boston.....etc etc.

The kitchen table verdict is in: you're insane.

Or a troll.My money's on troll,nobody could believe the nonsense that Bill posts.Still,everyone needs a hobby.

16th September 2009, 11:56 AM	#121
bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	Originally Posted by tsig So it would all be a tease with no climax? I don't think you can jack up the public like that and then provide no release. The burst of opinion would cream you. I had times when I wanted to stretch necks. I even wanted to bring back the Guillotine for this crime. That semed appropriate because if any country ever needed a French Revolution that country is/was America. You have let your aristos run away with you.
bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	__________________ Think WTC7 - You cannot make the four corners of a table fall together unless you cut the four legs together A kitchen table judgement on a world scale is enough * To Citizens: 'There comes a time when silence is betrayal' Last edited by bill smith; 16th September 2009 at 11:57 AM.

16th September 2009, 02:48 PM	#123
nicepants Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,720	Originally Posted by bill smith No I am thinking of well known senior American judges. But under the intense scrutiny of the entire Nation and the rest of the world who are fully abreast of the facts I suspect that they will go with the evidence. So after both sides have presented their evidence, the decision will be made by "senior American Judges"? There goes the "independent" part of your investigation. Originally Posted by CHF I can only assume this is to allow you an excuse to dismiss the verdict when it arrives. Sounds about right to me.
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16th September 2009, 02:51 PM	#124
DGM #4 Join Date: May 2007 Location: West of Northshore MA Posts: 14,324	Bill: So you don't want an investigation you want witch hunt. Do you know what the difference is? Why would you want an investigation when you already know the "truth"? You need to find some place in this world willing to prosecute without due course (sorry not the US).
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16th September 2009, 03:30 PM	#126
bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	Originally Posted by nicepants So after both sides have presented their evidence, the decision will be made by "senior American Judges"? There goes the "independent" part of your investigation. Sounds about right to me. I'm virtually certain that the judges will do the right thing in this case. I would.
bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	__________________ Think WTC7 - You cannot make the four corners of a table fall together unless you cut the four legs together A kitchen table judgement on a world scale is enough * To Citizens: 'There comes a time when silence is betrayal'

16th September 2009, 03:44 PM	#130
bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	Originally Posted by dudalb SInce apparently "bill smith" is a she, I suggest on the strength of this post she change her name to "Madame Defarge". I even have the knitting needles.lol
bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	__________________ Think WTC7 - You cannot make the four corners of a table fall together unless you cut the four legs together A kitchen table judgement on a world scale is enough * To Citizens: 'There comes a time when silence is betrayal'

16th September 2009, 11:59 AM	#122
beachnut Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Dog House Posts: 19,903	Originally Posted by bill smith It's not my concern what is done with them afterwards. Always assuning that the chief suspects have not flown the coop of course. As long as the entire world knows for certain who they are and what they did that will be enough for me. The 19 terrorists are dead; you missed 911 and have delusions.

16th September 2009, 02:53 PM	#125
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 22,814	Originally Posted by bill smith So it seems that we I have a working model for a new 9/11 investigation. One that has the best chance of being corruption-free. Fixed that for you. I don't see anybody else signing on your "working model".

16th September 2009, 03:38 PM	#127
beachnut Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Dog House Posts: 19,903	Don't forget; Sheen has "bottomless warren of unanswered questions.". "911 truth", named after something they are not looking for! The best part of 911 truth, really a lies spreading club, they could not form an independent thought let alone an independent investigation.

16th September 2009, 03:41 PM	#128
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 22,814	Originally Posted by bill smith I had times when I wanted to stretch necks. I even wanted to bring back the Guillotine for this crime. That semed appropriate because if any country ever needed a French Revolution that country is/was America. You have let your aristos run away with you. SInce apparently "bill smith" is a she, I suggest on the strength of this post she change her name to "Madame Defarge".

16th September 2009, 03:42 PM	#129
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 22,814	Originally Posted by bill smith I'm virtually certain that the judges will do the right thing in this case. I would. Great FSM, you have spent the last year here proving how corrupt the US Establishment and legal system is and then you expect Federal Judges to "do the right thing"?

16th September 2009, 03:47 PM	#131
bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	Originally Posted by dudalb Great FSM, you have spent the last year here proving how corrupt the US Establishment and legal system is and then you expect Federal Judges to "do the right thing"? Only because the American people would insist on American judges.
bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	__________________ Think WTC7 - You cannot make the four corners of a table fall together unless you cut the four legs together A kitchen table judgement on a world scale is enough * To Citizens: 'There comes a time when silence is betrayal'

16th September 2009, 04:42 PM	#132
triforcharity Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: The South! Posts: 12,168	Originally Posted by bill smith Even if they lie we will be able to trip them up left right and centre....on TV. And the more witnesses we subpoena the more we will make a mess of them. Maybe after it's all over the TV channells can develop shows along the lines of what you are suggesting. And what happenes when EVERY SINGLE PERSON that you call to the stand says the following words?? I PLEAD THE FIFTH!! What then?? Talk about an EPIC FAIL!! Ha ha ha..... BTW, who sits on this jury?? I mean, we DO have the right to have a trial by JURY, right?? Or, because in THIS investigation, all of our rights are suspended?? That right there is where your problem is. Beyond the "unbiased" thing.
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16th September 2009, 04:51 PM	#133
tsig a carbon based life-form Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 26,760	Originally Posted by bill smith I had times when I wanted to stretch necks. I even wanted to bring back the Guillotine for this crime. That semed appropriate because if any country ever needed a French Revolution that country is/was America. You have let your aristos run away with you. So you are up for the beheading after all you just don't want to get your hands bloody. Yeah having a President rule by divine right seems a bit off the wall.

16th September 2009, 04:55 PM	#134
tsig a carbon based life-form Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 26,760	Originally Posted by triforcharity And what happenes when EVERY SINGLE PERSON that you call to the stand says the following words?? I PLEAD THE FIFTH!! What then?? Talk about an EPIC FAIL!! Ha ha ha..... BTW, who sits on this jury?? I mean, we DO have the right to have a trial by JURY, right?? Or, because in THIS investigation, all of our rights are suspended?? That right there is where your problem is. Beyond the "unbiased" thing. They have to suspend our rights to preserve them. In a big jar with the lid sealed tight.

16th September 2009, 05:06 PM	#135
bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	Originally Posted by triforcharity And what happenes when EVERY SINGLE PERSON that you call to the stand says the following words?? I PLEAD THE FIFTH!! What then?? Talk about an EPIC FAIL!! Ha ha ha..... BTW, who sits on this jury?? I mean, we DO have the right to have a trial by JURY, right?? Or, because in THIS investigation, all of our rights are suspended?? That right there is where your problem is. Beyond the "unbiased" thing. The watching audience of likely a billion or two people around the world will draw their own conclusions from all the government witnesses taking the fifth. In this case a kitchen table judgement on a world scale would be enough. But I think we will have solid empirical evidence anyway and will not have to rely on witnesses There can be a jury if neccessary, though I think a panel of three judges would be enough. There will be some tweaking needed but the outline seems to be sound.
bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	__________________ Think WTC7 - You cannot make the four corners of a table fall together unless you cut the four legs together A kitchen table judgement on a world scale is enough * To Citizens: 'There comes a time when silence is betrayal' Last edited by bill smith; 16th September 2009 at 05:21 PM.

16th September 2009, 05:08 PM	#136
dtugg Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: NWO headquarters Posts: 7,898	bs, you've never explained to me how twoofer morons are going to stop the NWO from just whacking witnesses that are about to spill the beans.

16th September 2009, 05:46 PM	#137
Bluesky Guest Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 164	Originally Posted by bill smith The watching audience of likely a billion or two people around the world will draw their own conclusions from all the government witnesses taking the fifth. In this case a kitchen table judgement on a world scale would be enough. But I think we will have solid empirical evidence anyway and will not have to rely on witnesses There can be a jury if neccessary, though I think a panel of three judges would be enough. There will be some tweaking needed but the outline seems to be sound. So it will be a battle of the ratings. The ae911truthers pitting their Youtube movies against the mountains of considered evidence from NIST. Hey if the ae911tm can keep the evidence to soundbites, the NIST team don't stand a chance.! Can you just imagine a minute of Les Robertson vs Bill Smith... The truth will be much less entertaining. If the ae911truthers get enough money, after Gage's yacht of course, the Lord of The Rings producers may even do their video compilation. The sad thing is that Bill is really explaining ae911truth's strategy for a new investigation.
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16th September 2009, 05:57 PM	#138
The Platypus Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,789	So Bill, Let's say we have this ridiculous imaginary investigation/trial scenario take place, and your side loses and the public and judges all find that 9/11 wasn't an inside job... Then what? You would then accept it?
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16th September 2009, 06:00 PM	#139
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 22,814	Planet Earth calling Bill Smith, Planet Earth calling Bill Smith....

16th September 2009, 06:02 PM	#140
triforcharity Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: The South! Posts: 12,168	Originally Posted by bill smith The watching audience of likely a billion or two people around the world will draw their own conclusions from all the government witnesses taking the fifth. In this case a kitchen table judgement on a world scale would be enough. But I think we will have solid empirical evidence anyway and will not have to rely on witnesses There can be a jury if neccessary, though I think a panel of three judges would be enough. There will be some tweaking needed but the outline seems to be sound. Two Fails, one paragraph. The people of the world have already heard your dirt-dumb story. Most do NOT believe it. Some dumber ones do though. But, a trial is not tried in the court of public opinion. It is tried in front of a jury of our peers. Secondly, I have the right to a trial by jury. It is one of my rights as a citizen of the USA, and is guaranteed by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Sorry, but you dirt-dumb idea is full of fail.
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16th September 2009, 07:28 PM	#141
CHF Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 3,875	Originally Posted by bill smith I'm virtually certain that the judges will do the right thing in this case. I would. The "right thing?" Sounds like you already know the "right" verdict, Bill. So why not just skip the "trial" and go straight to the firing squad?

17th September 2009, 11:16 AM	#142
SpitfireIX Master Poster Join Date: May 2007 Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana, USA Posts: 2,830	Originally Posted by triforcharity Ok, I will take the following people. all the Engineers from Perdue and MIT, along with all the chemists from those colleges. <cough>
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17th September 2009, 11:28 AM	#143
SpitfireIX Master Poster Join Date: May 2007 Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana, USA Posts: 2,830	Originally Posted by dudalb SInce apparently "bill smith" is a she, I suggest on the strength of this post she change her name to "Madame Defarge".
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17th September 2009, 11:39 AM	#144
nicepants Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,720	Originally Posted by bill smith I'm virtually certain that the judges will do the right thing in this case. I would. What you consider "the right thing" and what those judges consider "the right thing" may not be the same. What would you do if the judges decided against the truthers?
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17th September 2009, 12:07 PM	#145
T.A.M. Keeper of the Kool-Vax Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Far East...of Canada Posts: 20,816	Here is my new suggested list for co-chairs of bs's new investigation: 1. Muammar Gaddafi 2. Kim Jong-il 3. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad 4. OBL TAM

17th September 2009, 03:31 PM	#146
triforcharity Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: The South! Posts: 12,168	Purdue?? I am sorry, I was thinking the guys from the Chicken University. My apologies. Even THOSE guys still know more about physics than most twoofers.
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17th September 2009, 10:53 PM	#147
triforcharity Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: The South! Posts: 12,168	Bill, What happens if every single person that you put on the stands says these words. I plead the fifth. What will happen then?? Do we suspend our rights guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States of America?? That ammendment, aptly named, the 5th ammendment, says that I or anyone else do not have to incriminate ourselves. What are you going to do???
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18th September 2009, 01:04 AM	#148
Dave Rogers Bandaged ice that stampedes inexpensively through a scribbled morning waving necessary ankles Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: In a world lit only by fire. Posts: 17,894	Originally Posted by T.A.M. Here is my new suggested list for co-chairs of bs's new investigation: 1. Muammar Gaddafi 2. Kim Jong-il 3. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad 4. OBL TAM Even with that panel, I think we're looking at a 2-2 split vote on the verdict. Dave
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18th September 2009, 01:06 AM	#149
Dave Rogers Bandaged ice that stampedes inexpensively through a scribbled morning waving necessary ankles Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: In a world lit only by fire. Posts: 17,894	Originally Posted by triforcharity Do we suspend our rights guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States of America?? That ammendment, aptly named, the 5th ammendment, says that I or anyone else do not have to incriminate ourselves. What are you going to do??? [truther] D00d, Dick Cheney already suspended the constitution! It's called the Patirot act, dumbass - cant u sheeple READ?!!?!!![/truther] Dave
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18th September 2009, 02:39 AM	#150
bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	Originally Posted by triforcharity Bill, What happens if every single person that you put on the stands says these words. I plead the fifth. What will happen then?? Do we suspend our rights guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States of America?? That ammendment, aptly named, the 5th ammendment, says that I or anyone else do not have to incriminate ourselves. What are you going to do??? The watching audience of likely a billion or two people around the world will draw their own conclusions from all the government witnesses taking the fifth. In this case a kitchen table judgement on a world scale would be enough. But I think we will have solid empirical evidence anyway and will not have to rely on witnesses There can be a jury if neccessary, though I think a panel of three judges would be enough. There will be some tweaking needed but the outline seems to be sound.
bill smith Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8,408	__________________ Think WTC7 - You cannot make the four corners of a table fall together unless you cut the four legs together A kitchen table judgement on a world scale is enough * To Citizens: 'There comes a time when silence is betrayal'

18th September 2009, 09:05 AM	#151
The Platypus Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,789	Originally Posted by bill smith The watching audience of likely a billion or two people around the world will draw their own conclusions from all the government witnesses taking the fifth. In this case a kitchen table judgement on a world scale would be enough. But I think we will have solid empirical evidence anyway and will not have to rely on witnesses There can be a jury if neccessary, though I think a panel of three judges would be enough. There will be some tweaking needed but the outline seems to be sound. And what if the conclusion of the 3 judges, the jury and the vast majority of the world ended up concluding what is already the case, that your side is nonsense and there was no inside job... Then what? That would "be enough" and you would then realize you have been playing fairy tale games?
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18th September 2009, 09:09 AM	#152
DGM #4 Join Date: May 2007 Location: West of Northshore MA Posts: 14,324	Originally Posted by bill smith The watching audience of likely a billion or two people around the world will draw their own conclusions from all the government witnesses taking the fifth. In this case a kitchen table judgement on a world scale would be enough. But I think we will have solid empirical evidence anyway and will not have to rely on witnesses There can be a jury if neccessary, though I think a panel of three judges would be enough. There will be some tweaking needed but the outline seems to be sound. How would this happen? Remember all the major networks and MSM are "in on it". It sucks you guys threw so many people under the bus, Huh?
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18th September 2009, 09:38 AM	#153
CHF Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 3,875	Originally Posted by bill smith The watching audience of likely a billion or two people around the world will draw their own conclusions from all the government witnesses taking the fifth. In this case a kitchen table judgement on a world scale would be enough. We already have an idea as to what would happen, bill. You folks have been bombarding the internet with one-sided truther "documentaries" for several years now in which your side gets 100% of the talk time. Tens of millions of people have seen these propaganda pieces. And yet the biggest truther rallies draw 100+ in NYC, 25 in Toronto, 6 in Boston.....etc etc. The kitchen table verdict is in: you're insane.

18th September 2009, 11:39 AM	#154
triforcharity Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: The South! Posts: 12,168	Originally Posted by bill smith The watching audience of likely a billion or two people around the world will draw their own conclusions from all the government witnesses taking the fifth. In this case a kitchen table judgement on a world scale would be enough. But I think we will have solid empirical evidence anyway and will not have to rely on witnesses There can be a jury if neccessary, though I think a panel of three judges would be enough. There will be some tweaking needed but the outline seems to be sound. Oh, yes, a jury would most CERTAINLY be nessary. Absolutely, because that is our rights as Americans. You cannot get past this ever. Not even in your lifetime. I also have the right to cross-examine any testimony, as per our Bill of Rights nd Constitution. You also cannot get beyond this ever. Again, remember that a trial is not decided by the public, but rather by a jury. It wouldn't matter WHAT these "Billions" thought, as "thought" is not a conviction. Hell, if a thought is all that is needed for a conviction, many many many people would be in prison wrongfully. The outline is NOT sound, in any court in the USA or the UN. Its just a fail.
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18th September 2009, 11:40 AM	#155
triforcharity Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: The South! Posts: 12,168	BTW, I asked my kitchen table, and he/she agrees, its idiotic.
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